Spas Suggestion - Make the Spread wider

[STM1993]

This suggestion topic is related to the weapons balance and this thread (please read before voting): http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=34244.0

Since 8th (Skoskav) has recommended that I post the suggestion here:

As emphasized in the recent Spas topic in weapons balance, the Spas is facing a lot of balancing problems. A suggested solution is that the Spas' pellet spread be made wider, possibly increasing the number of pellets to do this.

What do you think?

[The Epic Guy]

narrow it more like.

F11

[DarkCrusade]

Every normal shotgun spreads after a short or a bit longer range in an amount that aiming at your enemy is impossible on a higher distance, and it does not matter whether it is now or in the future. I think the spread of the Spas 12 is too small, you can slow down your foe and do good damage on a distance that is in my opinion too big

Yes, make the spread wider, so F12

[Farah]

which would pretty much be descreasing it's speed. yeah it's overpowered at the moment! the 75% bullet push didn't warrant it's boost.

[fulro]

spas already powerful in game. ta my point of view

[STM1993]

narrow it more like.

That'd turn the Spas into Desert Eagles.

which would pretty much be descreasing it's speed.

Not really. The range (bullet speed) is essentially still the same, just that the Spas hits a wider area as it travels.


Did you guys even read the weapons balance thread of the Spas before voting? o.O

[DarkCrusade]

I did ... when reading this ...

spas already powerful in game. ta my point of view

I thought this guy was just dumb, but after I thought about him (I saw his thread) I got now he is simply a noob Nah, spas IS overpowered, but making the spread wider makes it less strong, so I dont get your point, fulro. Suggesting things to weaponbalancing or more general things like new weapons should be nailed down by knowing Soldat for one or more years and being good or pro to know what is overpowered

I agree mostly with STM, Spas is already too narrowed

[STM1993]

The sad thing is that the Spas is both underpowered and overpowered at the same time if we just left the spread as it is. It's a piece of crap at long range (which is what it's supposed to be, so that's good), works too well at mid-range and then it is being horribly put down by M79s and grenades at close range, where it is supposed to excel in. However, if not for those factors, the Spas would have been easily well-balanced or even overpowered. Further tweaking it in the usual manner with just the weapon.ini won't solve the problems without turning the Spas into a weapon similar to another or making it worse than it already is. Furthermore, the Spas is one of the most unpopular weapons in Soldat as a result of all these factors.

If you want a bigger spread by NORMAL MEANS, you need to lower bullet speed, which means shortening the range even further and that is going to make the Spas a lot worse, and the spread difference is not a lot and the ability to self-boost is greatly reduced. The other way to balance would have been to increase the bullet speed of the Spas (which also narrows the spread), but that would turn the Spas into DEs/Ruger. From this perspective, you can see that the Spas is practically impossible to balance with only the weapon.ini without screwing up the weapon completely.



In the suggestion, the spread is made wider WITHOUT having to touch the bullet speed at all. The increase in spread would allow it to still have essentially the same close range effectiveness. For longer ranges, it is weaker but still capable of handling itself. With a wider spread, it means much less damage at long range, but it also means it is a bit easier to hit. This also makes the Spas unique rather than being similar to another weapon as well as very much more like a true shotgun, and ultimately this also promotes the usage of Spas.

[Gnoblar]

Truth is, soldat's weapon choosing system is a disadvantage and allows no power weapons. Balancing the spas is really hard. I Vote F12 though.

[excruciator]

Yep, spread it. But then you have to increase push/pellet.

[SpiltCoffee]

You argue a good case, STM1993. F12.

[Platehead]

Agreed Spilt.  F12.

[Boglizk]

Increasing the spread  (and possible nerfing something else?) would make it less of a super-deagles. F12

[Lord Frunkamunch]

F12 to spreading it and adding more pellets.

Also, make both of those a WM option.

[Platehead]

oh yeah WM sounds cool
Can make super boosts with extreme pellets....... etc...
Afraid I was expecting more F12 than that

[scarface09]

F12...spreading would increase power and duration of wider and slightly more accurate hits.

[fulro]

I did ... when reading this ...

spas already powerful in game. ta my point of view

I thought this guy was just dumb, but after I thought about him

I'm not dumb.... I'm n00b either. im just a new player in soldat..5 month only.
my standar point of y spas need wide spread simply no. it useless. 1 reason is already powerful/ 2 it make the spas weak

[homerofgods]

no. cuz... why? more whine?  it's not overpowered, it can't do shit on long range. keep distance.

[fulro]

f11

[Lord Frunkamunch]

no. cuz... why? more whine?  it's not overpowered, it can't do shit on long range. keep distance.

The point is, it's too similar to the deagles as of now. Spreading it more would make it more similar to an actual shotgun (doing massive damage up close and less the farther away the target is), and make it more differentiated. Plus, this would be accompanied with a new WM to make it balanced, not in place of one.

[jrgp]

Well, I've currently come to love the Spaz how it is now -- kinda like a ruger on steroids or a hunting rifle combined with deagles. It's damn near unstoppable, against every other weapon.

But in terms of balance, fairness, etc, it dominates. Nerf it slightly or something. Or make it more realistic and have the spray spread wider than a whores legs. Yeah, do that!

no. cuz... why? more whine?  it's not overpowered, it can't do shit on long range. keep distance.

Yess...if you spend enough time mastering the arc and ducking at certain times, it can.

[scarface09]

Yeah that 75% push makes it pretty much unstoppable when you're enemy is right in front of you. You can taste death very very fast. Although the extra boost helps when they're further away from you. Spreading it would help lots for accuracy.

[homerofgods]

Yeah that 75% push makes it pretty much unstoppable when you're enemy is right in front of you. You can taste death very very fast. Although the extra boost helps when they're further away from you. Spreading it would help lots for accuracy.

I thought 75% ment less boost?

[STM1993]

^ 75% bullet push, not 75% boost. That means if I shot someone, they'd be pushed back by 75% compared to old versions, but the boosting power of the Spas remains the same.

[SpiltCoffee]

my standar point of y spas need wide spread simply no. it useless. 1 reason is already powerful/ 2 it make the spas weak

But if it's too powerful, wouldn't making it weaker be a good thing balance-wise?

no. cuz... why? more whine?  it's not overpowered, it can't do s**t on long range. keep distance.

Since the spread is so small, you can kill someone in two-three hits no matter the distance, as long as you see them on your screen. It can do shit on long range.

[homerofgods]

If I were to agree to a spread it would have to be a LITTLE adjustment, not much.
the only reason you get most people to say: yes nerf spas!  is that noone uses it.