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Title: Pro Tips
Post by: Pekay.jps on May 10, 2009, 11:34:31 am
Alright, to be honest I am not quite sure how many "esteemed newcomers" actually prefer to read the official forums than to just start the game and jump into the next match but I liked the idea so... why not?

So what is this about? Basically, just post your tips, tricks and information in this thread. Everything you think is worth mentioning to make a Major become someone you'd like to have in your team.

I'll just start...

Movement, always move! Don't just stand there, like a statue, and shoot when someone runs or jets past you. Your movement, no matter how crazy or unusual it is, makes it difficult for others to hit or kill you. The only downfall of movement is aiming. You will have to train a lot to optimize movement and aiming, and of course also aiming on moving opponents ;)
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: p0ppin on May 10, 2009, 11:46:33 am
Tip2)  Change Your Name to Something Other than Major.

Open soldat-> Hit OK->Player->Name (Chaaaaaange it) :P

Some servers have Major-kick scripts, which could be confusing and frustrating for a newcomer.  BEWARE.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Shadow_Knight on May 10, 2009, 12:38:03 pm
Use M79 only in private made up games or against bots, otherwise you'll most surely get kicked from the server.
After you master m79 switch to a more complex weapon.

(When i say master, i really say master, because i have a friend of mine who never, and i repeat, never misses.  ::))
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: jerich on May 10, 2009, 01:05:57 pm
No matter how much tips you get, the best thing you can do is learn by experience, so my tip is to play rather than read this.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Dusty on May 10, 2009, 01:37:43 pm
No matter how much tips you get, the best thing you can do is learn by experience, so my tip is to play rather than read this.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Pekay.jps on May 10, 2009, 01:42:13 pm
No matter how much tips you get, the best thing you can do is learn by experience, so my tip is to play rather than read this.

True that but some advice won't hurt. And I am quite sure that many players actually won't get far without help from someone else and now be honest.. how often have you experienced that someone who asked for help in a match indeed was helped?
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: homerofgods on May 10, 2009, 02:08:32 pm
Play with good people.
Contact me for ANY questions,
Msn: pro@x.xx  (no trap)

I will help you alot if you want.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: The Epic Guy on May 10, 2009, 02:43:12 pm
when you join the soldat formus, be sure to read the rules.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Biscuiteer on May 10, 2009, 02:56:50 pm
No matter how much tips you get, the best thing you can do is learn by experience, so my tip is to play rather than read this.

I also agree with this, but theres no harm done with some good advice.

Mastering the Bullet
Learn how each weapon's projectile moves. How fast does it go? Does it curve? What is its effective range? Utilize these properties for each weapon so you can shoot accurately and effectively. Fast bullets require less 'aiming ahead' than slower ones. Bullets that curve can help bypass defensive barriers and allow for more damage to be done. And of course shooting when most appropriate range-wise can dish out the most damage possible.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Dusty on May 10, 2009, 03:00:45 pm
No matter how much tips you get, the best thing you can do is learn by experience, so my tip is to play rather than read this.

I also agree with this, but theres no harm done with some good advice.

Mastering the Bullet
Learn how each weapon's projectile moves. How fast does it go? Does it curve? What is its effective range? Utilize these properties for each weapon so you can shoot accurately and effectively. Fast bullets require less 'aiming ahead' than slower ones. Bullets that curve can help bypass defensive barriers and allow for more damage to be done. And of course shooting when most appropriate range-wise can dish out the most damage possible.

You learn all this by playing the game.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Pekay.jps on May 10, 2009, 03:04:37 pm
No matter how much tips you get, the best thing you can do is learn by experience, so my tip is to play rather than read this.

I also agree with this, but theres no harm done with some good advice.

Mastering the Bullet
Learn how each weapon's projectile moves. How fast does it go? Does it curve? What is its effective range? Utilize these properties for each weapon so you can shoot accurately and effectively. Fast bullets require less 'aiming ahead' than slower ones. Bullets that curve can help bypass defensive barriers and allow for more damage to be done. And of course shooting when most appropriate range-wise can dish out the most damage possible.

You learn all this by playing the game.

You don't get it, do ya?

Very late edit xD Accidentially wrote something in between the quote-tags.. w/e.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: p0ppin on May 10, 2009, 04:34:39 pm
Crouch (default: S) + Jump (default:W) to throw flag ;) something you can't exactly get from the manual eh? :P
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: ~Niko~ on May 10, 2009, 04:55:18 pm
A pro advice: change your signature size to 300 * 125 before a moderator starts whining about it.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: The Epic Guy on May 10, 2009, 04:56:55 pm
^

when you join the soldat forums, be sure to read the rules.

sigh... should have made it more obvious.

PROTIP: shoot at him until he dies.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: excruciator on May 10, 2009, 05:10:45 pm
tip: Master the nade, then you can pretty much handle all primaries.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: homerofgods on May 10, 2009, 05:43:19 pm
Pekay.jps   my msn is: pro@x.xx  if you have ANY questions or anything.
I might help you alot, since I know almost everything about soldat.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Gnoblar on May 10, 2009, 06:31:19 pm
Tip: Don't go on about how good you are without proof.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: homerofgods on May 10, 2009, 06:33:08 pm
Tip: Don't go on about how good you are without proof.
that's not a tip, that's a personal opinion
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: p0ppin on May 10, 2009, 06:46:52 pm
TIP:  Grenades kill more when they contact with a player's legs
TIP:  Firing your weapon for extended periods without releasing the button will cause it to be inaccurate.  It's best to fire in bursts, not clips.
TIP:  Saw vs saw is ping-based, saw vs gun is just stupid :P
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: STM1993 on May 10, 2009, 08:53:21 pm
Movement, always move! Don't just stand there, like a statue, and shoot when someone runs or jets past you. Your movement, no matter how crazy or unusual it is, makes it difficult for others to hit or kill you. The only downfall of movement is aiming. You will have to train a lot to optimize movement and aiming, and of course also aiming on moving opponents ;)
Tip: The above is not always true depending on the situation. You may need to stop occasionally (eg: You cannot shoot unless you're on the ground and crouched with a LAW), and in Infiltration (INF), camping is an ideal strategy.

If you are using a Barrett or Ruger, you should not keep moving like mad, because of movement inaccuracy. Practice this technique: Jump, then DO NOT PRESS ANY MOVEMENT KEY OR JET, then you shoot. In this way, you're still moving due to gravity, but you won't be affected by movement inaccuracy.

Tip 2: Read this simplified weapons guide (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=31158.0). It can help you if you are not very decided with your weapons despite having played a lot. I'm working on a more detailed one in future.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: The Epic Guy on May 10, 2009, 09:36:08 pm
Tip 2: Read this simplified weapons guide (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=31158.0).

advertising yourself as always?

ah well, you are an authority on weapon balance after all.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Platehead on May 11, 2009, 05:06:11 am
Hmm, a very simple thing people always skip over.
Your crosshair is for aiming.  Use it appropriately.  I find that a lot of people underuse the crosshair, instead (especially with auto) they fire their first shot and adjust their aim from there hoping it'll hit.  This kills your actual aim, as you're just using relative movement.  Also, try not to get used to using sniperline, though it may help, it doesn't do much for your skill, and some competitive servers disable it.  Basically, what I'm trying to say is stare at your cursor and place it in the right position then fire.  Where it goes depends on the arc of your gun, say, if you're rugering an onscreen opponent you'd probably place your cursor on their head getting a head/torso shot.  Keep the cursor within a very small radius of your opponent.  Oh, and don't whine about anything.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: echo_trail on May 11, 2009, 06:43:15 am
Tip: Don't go on about how good you are without proof.
that's not a tip, that's a personal opinion

So is this:

Pekay.jps   my msn is: pro@x.xx  if you have ANY questions or anything.
I might help you alot, since I know almost everything about soldat.

Anyway, different servers have different 'styles', and I don't mean in terms of gamemodes. take the time to learn about the behaviour on different servers. Soldat's got so much more to offer if you're someone people recognize and feel good about.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: p0ppin on May 11, 2009, 07:22:47 am
Pro Tip:
Soldat is an international game.  People will be speaking different languages often, respect their language and their country :).  "Speak English please" is the same as saying "learn my language, because I'm too lazy to learn yours."  :-\

Pro Tip:
"Kurwa!" is NOT a compliment :(
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Gnoblar on May 11, 2009, 09:23:41 am
That's actually a really good point, poppin. ALTHOUGH English is the universal language now, but I am full agreement with your point.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Pekay.jps on May 11, 2009, 09:34:46 am
Pekay.jps   my msn is: pro@x.xx  if you have ANY questions or anything.
I might help you alot, since I know almost everything about soldat.


Errr... ya, thank you... just so you don't get me wrong, I didn't create this thread solely to improve myself, although that might be a nice side-effect but mainly to help other people. I do know a lot, too :P


^

when you join the soldat forums, be sure to read the rules.

sigh... should have made it more obvious.

PROTIP: shoot at him until he dies.

Great tip and yeah, actually I got your point but it was late and I was too lazy to open Photoshop as it takes ages to load on my computer so... thanks anyway and just for the record: next time don't act as arrogant as you did there. A PM would have worked too.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 11, 2009, 03:14:20 pm
That's actually a really good point, poppin. ALTHOUGH English is the universal language now, but I am full agreement with your point.

International language my a**...You either respect someone as a human or you don't, why don't you just as well make a mandatory law to learn English? Maybe even make the punishment a life sentence or execution!!!!
Back on topic: If you have a keen eye, you will one day learn to hit a target (With Barret, hardest level of this skill) While being binked.
binked=Under fire, the situation where your cursor is widened because of having been hit by enemy or friendly fire, and you start shooting inaccurately, just like the bink you get from shooting an auto for too long...I've kinda mastered that skill, and still improving it further and further, maybe I'll one day post the secret here, but I doubt it, as I owe it to a very good friend, and an INCREDIBLE soldat playing one at it.
Also: If you haven't noticed, most of the bullets, if not all, in the game can bounce off of walls when shot at a semi-flat angle, it's called ricochet, once you've mastered ricochet shots you are truly a good marksman. Kep that in mind when you're in a tunnel, doing a stand off with another sniper, and you spot a curve between you two ;D
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: ~Niko~ on May 11, 2009, 04:56:32 pm
Back on topic: If you have a keen eye, you will one day learn to hit a target (With Barret, hardest level of this skill) While being binked.
I actually can do that... if you aren't TOO MUCH binked...
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: tehsnipah on May 11, 2009, 06:46:23 pm
Sniper's Tip
1) When prone scoping, make sure to time it right, It takes around 1 second for a bullet to reach the distance you see. Make sure you read the opponent's movement well, then shoot him.

2) While in mid-air, the Barrett's bullet tend to go a little higher than where you aim for. So try to aim at the opponent's feet while you're in mid-air. It also gives you a little bit of accuracy+avoiding if you prone in mid-air also.

With Ak-74, it's better to use it aggressively, since it has faster reloading time than Minimi, and more ammo than AUG.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: biohazard on May 11, 2009, 09:25:36 pm
change weapong (Q) + w+s (flag throw) = vertically trown, doesnt matter ur aim...
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Shinigam1 on May 11, 2009, 11:50:27 pm
I wonder how many people who are giving advice are actually "pros".......

n00b tip: Get advice from real pr0s in gathers.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: STM1993 on May 12, 2009, 12:44:10 am
With Ak-74, it's better to use it aggressively, since it has faster reloading time than Minimi, and more ammo than AUG.
Word of caution: The AK fires slower than all other autos and its DOT is the poorest. Take extra care if you are going to go offensive, because getting too close to an enemy while you have an AK is suicidal in most cases. Try to keep within mid-range even as you engage your enemy offensively.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Gnoblar on May 12, 2009, 04:46:25 am
English is widley accepted as the universal language. It is taught in many schools in many countries as a second language.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: CheeSeMan. on May 12, 2009, 05:19:03 am
learn the way of the poOnt. Amen.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Gnoblar on May 12, 2009, 06:07:23 am
If you want to be a pro, learnt that the M79 is not JUST a n00b weapon, it can be used tactically, BUT the other weapons in reality are far better.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 12, 2009, 08:18:21 am
Back on topic: If you have a keen eye, you will one day learn to hit a target (With Barret, hardest level of this skill) While being binked.
I actually can do that... if you aren't TOO MUCH binked...

Try doing that right after 6 minimi bullets, and hit...
@Teh snipah: Proning in mid air does NOT improve your aim nor make the shot straighter, nor will it make you a harder target, it can only let you scope at some targets you can't find a camping spot to shoot at them from.
It makes you slower, and more vulnerable to spray and nades...So don't do it...
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: ~Niko~ on May 12, 2009, 08:51:33 am
Proning in mid-air is the worst thing you could ever do if you are sniping someone.

Try to compensate the fall by jetting a bit until you are almost stopped in mid-air, then shot (without proning)  :)
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: homerofgods on May 12, 2009, 08:54:05 am
doesn't fucking mater if you'r proning or not. Just shoot when you'r not mooving too much up or down. so if you'r jumping up, shoot when you'r about to start falling down again.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Gnoblar on May 12, 2009, 09:51:58 am
Settle down mate.

Supermanning or "Dolphin Diving" is a very good tactic. To those who don't know what it is, it's when you prone whilst flying. It's good to dive in to get a flag.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: ~Niko~ on May 12, 2009, 10:13:20 am
doesn't fucking mater if you'r proning or not.
I tell you it really does and changes the angle you aim to kill your enemies.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: STM1993 on May 12, 2009, 11:00:07 am
The accuracy/angle is probably slightly altered when you prone with a Barrett in mid-air, and the transition between standing and proning causes an initial inaccuracy which is a big problem and it takes some time. Plus, on a prone position in mid-air, it is generally easier to get hit and thus binked. Movement is extremely restricted when proning (in mid-air, you can only superman in prone position). It is therefore not advisable to prone while in mid-air, especially with a Barrett.

Even if there is no difference in accuracy in mid-air prone and in standing in mid-air, it is still ultimately not advisable to prone in mid-air.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: p0ppin on May 12, 2009, 02:02:00 pm
Let's get off the movement accuracy for a bit, there's too much disparity in opinion for it to be considered a "tip".  I also think newcomers will have their hands full with many other factors of soldat, before they are entirely worried about something so technical.

TIP:  If you are weak, and there are no medipacks in the base, throw the flag to a teammate that is stronger.  It is much better than jeopardizing the flag to find one.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 12, 2009, 02:16:51 pm
Yea, STM made my point a bit clearer, and I'd rather not argue about it right now.
Anyways, a couple of climbing tricks:
1-You can do the back flip, without having to do it on the beginning of your jump, on some servers you have to jump off a ledge, to a ledge close under it, and no platform to jump onto, what you do is you jump off, lightly, and keep the movement buttons up and whatever the side of the platform your back is facing, and once you're close enough you hit jet, you will do a normal back flip, just after a seconds fall or so.

And another thing, when you see ice terrain on any maps, know that you can slide, or (penguin slide) on them, just lay on the ground (prone), and crawl to the sides...Looks funny and is a good way of rushing into a camper\weak enemy unit.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: tehsnipah on May 12, 2009, 03:02:14 pm
Proning in mid-air is the worst thing you could ever do if you are sniping someone.

Try to compensate the fall by jetting a bit until you are almost stopped in mid-air, then shot (without proning)  :)
Not really, it prevents from instant death by grenade, and it helps to avoid a little in mid air.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Kerrazyeye on May 12, 2009, 03:31:09 pm
Proning mid air also makes you more susceptible to them landing more headshots, so its kind of a tradeoff... Dont superman when their weapon kills w/ one headshot (except for rett + m79)
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Dusty on May 12, 2009, 04:02:31 pm
-- platform your back is facing, and once you're close enough you hit jump, you will do a normal back flip, just after a seconds fall or so.

You hit the jet button, not the jump button.

And another thing, when you see ice terrain on any maps, know that you can slide, or (penguin slide) on them, just lay on the ground (prone), and crawl to the sides...Looks funny and is a good way of rushing into a camper\weak enemy unit.

Not always is this a good idea, it might even slow you down a lot.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: p0ppin on May 12, 2009, 06:47:13 pm
Seriously though, this is a tip topic.  Take your aiming debate elsewhere? >:(
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Jaakarhu on May 12, 2009, 08:56:57 pm
Jump before you take off (W-> mouse2 tis is good stuff)
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Banana-san on May 12, 2009, 10:21:44 pm
as the video freak I am. I wouldn't mind making some teaching video (already done one for steyr, but for more advanced players).

but I'd like to know what level I should make it for, or if all levels. I'm not sure about who'd like some "pro" teaching.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Ketchup on May 12, 2009, 10:51:57 pm
ProTip: Don't scream and whine when you lag, or people are going to think you're a real drag.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Shinobars on May 12, 2009, 11:58:43 pm
Do your best to master the basics of the game. As with any other game, mastering the basics is a major key to being the best. Learn to use your nades, adjust to your own personal way of aiming, and play smart, fundamental Soldat. However, don't be afraid to go for the slam dunk that will make the crowd explode when you get the opportunity. It's also a bit like driving: when you're faced with a choice, make a decision and stick to it. If you're constantly changing your mind, you'll wind up being a bunch of wasted gostek space.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: STM1993 on May 13, 2009, 12:34:05 am
Tip:
To throw your flag, press UP and DOWN together. (default keys: W and S)
Use your cursor to aim at a general direction for where you want to throw the flag (this is hard to master)

Throwing a flag is used tactically. If you are low on health but have a stronger teammate, you can pass the flag to him.

Or in some recent (CTF) maps, there is a certain wall between both flags where you cannot pass through but bullets can. Once you capture the enemy flag, you can run to that wall and throw it across, so that your teammate can grab the flag you threw and score for the team. This is a lot faster, less risky and more convenient as compared to taking the old route you came from to go back to your base.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Platehead on May 13, 2009, 02:18:39 am
There was a topic somewhere a while ago, it's a powerthrow to like increase your throw distance by 3x.  I'm not sure if it's a bug or something, is it allowed?

Quote from: tehsnipah
Not really, it prevents from instant death by grenade, and it helps to avoid a little in mid air.

No, I found it actually increases the possibility of instant death by grenade.  Two ways:

1) They throw one under you, and you're running short of jet and close to the ground.  If you land on it, you'll die.  From there, you have a few options.  You can use your remaining jet while proning to see if you can dive past the nade, and you'll find yourself on the ground unable to move unless you unprone again, but you'll be dead by then.  You can unprone and hold jet, but then if you're too close to the ground you're doomed anyway.

2) They're under you.  There's the ongoing saying that nades kill at the feet and legs... well if you're spreading your legs out, then they got like half your bodylength to aim for... usually an instant kill at this angle.

The only time I think using prone is appropriate is when you're versing an enemy sniper or a knifer, and you predict the moment they shoot, and try to zoom under it.  Even then that gets predictable, and should only be used when you're reloading the shot yourself.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Gnoblar on May 13, 2009, 03:45:01 am
Back to tips: Find out whether you like Realistc or Standard mode the best.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 13, 2009, 10:03:11 am
-- platform your back is facing, and once you're close enough you hit jump, you will do a normal back flip, just after a seconds fall or so.

You hit the jet button, not the jump button.

Edited. Soz.

And another thing, when you see ice terrain on any maps, know that you can slide, or (penguin slide) on them, just lay on the ground (prone), and crawl to the sides...Looks funny and is a good way of rushing into a camper\weak enemy unit.

Not always is this a good idea, it might even slow you down a lot.

Not if the terrain is proper for sliding, and you've tried it before.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Ketchup on May 13, 2009, 10:03:24 am
Do your best to master the basics of the game. As with any other game, mastering the basics is a major key to being the best. Learn to use your nades, adjust to your own personal way of aiming, and play smart, fundamental Soldat. However, don't be afraid to go for the slam dunk that will make the crowd explode when you get the opportunity. It's also a bit like driving: when you're faced with a choice, make a decision and stick to it. If you're constantly changing your mind, you'll wind up being a bunch of wasted gostek space.

Seconded

Stupid Tip: Don't TK or people will hate you forever. It's a way to screw up your reputation. It may actually come down to you having to change your name.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: TradeMAAK on May 13, 2009, 07:02:10 pm
Play this game for fun and don't be one of those no life nerds that try to become a "master" of one weapon or anything. This game doesn't deserve to sacrifice your dignity for it.

Quote
Don't TK or people will hate you forever. It's a way to screw up your reputation. It may actually come down to you having to change your name.
Name change ftw.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: tehsnipah on May 13, 2009, 08:43:12 pm
Ahh, another Barrett tip:

When you're using Barrett in pubs, remember, you're not a Rambo with a heavy machine gun.

1)It's better to move around to the spot where there aren't that many enemies around, then you have a favorable spot to scope. One of the example is ctf_Run. The middle path doesn't have that many players for some reason. It's a favorable position for snipers in my view; you can scope ahead of you and over you. It's a double plus good for you.

My point is, try to have a spot that has multiple hit spots and coverable, then you'll have more kills and safety.

2)Although it might be nice to stick around with your team mates and move around, it might not be that much of a help for you and your team unless you have an alternative weapon that's one of the Primary weapon. Since it's a group fight, shots spread everywhere and can be able to bink your shot.

It's good to stay back and scope to help your team out than sticking together to prepare for a mob war.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: ElGato on May 14, 2009, 03:03:47 am
Play the angles on polygons, be patient. A lot of campers will waste a shot if you taunt them a bit.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Gnoblar on May 14, 2009, 04:57:46 am
Play the angles on polygons, be patient. A lot of campers will waste a shot if you taunt them a bit.

Especially bad ones.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 14, 2009, 12:47:55 pm
Spas tip: When you're on low health and just escaped a big fight or a hard duel, use your Spas to push yourself while running, to do so, shoot at the opposite direction to where you're headed, and shoot fast. It's a very old but also really useful way of taking advantage of it's great push back.

Mp5 tip: Never hold out on reloading, even if you're in the middle of 10 enemies, the mp5's fast reload is one of it's best qualities, so use it! Reload whenever you can, wherever you can. Always rush, with the mp5 it's a bad idea to stay back and defend, or chase EFC's and other targets, you only pick the target you encounter on the rush, and let go of him until hes about 1.5 screen scales away from you...And when facing long\mid range weapon users remember that the mp5 has a very short range in compared to those, so stick close to the enemy, use cover, an always switch angles on him, they'll eventually lose track and get confused.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Mallow007 on May 14, 2009, 04:17:03 pm
Movement, always move! Don't just stand there, like a statue, and shoot when someone runs or jets past you. Your movement, no matter how crazy or unusual it is, makes it difficult for others to hit or kill you. The only downfall of movement is aiming. You will have to train a lot to optimize movement and aiming, and of course also aiming on moving opponents ;)
Tip: The above is not always true depending on the situation. You may need to stop occasionally (eg: You cannot shoot unless you're on the ground and crouched with a LAW), and in Infiltration (INF), camping is an ideal strategy.

If you are using a Barrett or Ruger, you should not keep moving like mad, because of movement inaccuracy. Practice this technique: Jump, then DO NOT PRESS ANY MOVEMENT KEY OR JET, then you shoot. In this way, you're still moving due to gravity, but you won't be affected by movement inaccuracy.

Tip 2: Read this simplified weapons guide (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=31158.0). It can help you if you are not very decided with your weapons despite having played a lot. I'm working on a more detailed one in future.

About ruger....i disagree
Using ruger You should MOVE ALOT trying to get good shooting angles,also to hunt down players,of course u need to know that u cant RUSH ALL DAY LONG u need to def sometimes and more with this weapon balance
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: ~Niko~ on May 14, 2009, 05:05:04 pm
Master the physics and the angle of the bullets of each weapon.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: lorinser on May 15, 2009, 12:49:58 am
tip

press "T" and write
T   H   I   S     I     S      S     P    A     R     T     A
press "enter"

and rush, you will see, it work
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: STM1993 on May 15, 2009, 12:55:11 am
About ruger....i disagree
Using ruger You should MOVE ALOT trying to get good shooting angles,also to hunt down players,of course u need to know that u cant RUSH ALL DAY LONG u need to def sometimes and more with this weapon balance
Of course you should keep moving etc, I mean just before shooting, you need to stop a while, otherwise its movementacc 3 will take effect and cause your shots to be inaccurate. Missing with a Ruger is a big problem. The same applies to the Barrett, but the Barrett has movementacc 7 and has a startup time.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: pavliko on May 15, 2009, 02:01:50 am
tip

press "T" and write
T   H   I   S     I     S      S     P    A     R     T     A
press "enter"


and rush, you will see, it work

haha nice one :D !!!!
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 15, 2009, 02:20:52 am
tip

press "T" and write
T   H   I   S     I     S      S     P    A     R     T     A
press "enter"


and rush, you will see, it work

haha nice one :D !!!!

We're trying to help the newbies not doom them...
@STM: You don't have to stop with the ruger, you simply get your hand off the movement key just for the instant when you shoot, however I know some rugetards that can shoot very accurately without having to do that....
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: scarface09 on May 15, 2009, 04:15:09 am
Try to get as close to you're opponent when using the hk mp5.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Platehead on May 15, 2009, 11:28:10 pm
Recognise the look of the guns as the little guys carry them.  If you see a brown tube then maybe don't rush so hard.  It's a good idea to know what they're using, and counter it effectively - maybe you shouldn't rush directly into an M79 or a Spas... but if you see an AK, get close and win with your superior DOT/Nades.

EDIT: This is basically a direct reply/addon to scarface's thing
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Mx7 on May 16, 2009, 02:17:05 am
You don't have to get pro on a single weapon , but it easier to get precise shots by playing and knowing a single weapon's facts (like recoil , speed , damage , angle etc.)

When attacked (most likely in the enemy's base) do backflips , rolls , anything to fool the enemy as they will start to shoot at each other and stop to say "omg sorry" while you are far gone with the flag.

When you get killed by an m79 say "omg m79.." and vote kick him with the reason "♪ Mista Bombastic ;) ♫".

I noticed that , if you play on just one part of the map (let's say , only higher part ) you will get either killed more or saw-ed .- when you see this is happening , go to a different "level" of the map , like mid or low.

When drinking Red Bull and playing with an auto, please go spec.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: STM1993 on May 16, 2009, 03:05:55 am
I noticed that , if you play on just one part of the map (let's say , only higher part ) you will get either killed more or saw-ed .- when you see this is happening , go to a different "level" of the map , like mid or low.
That is because you have played on that part of the map for so long, the enemy has discovered and learned your patterns. He will use his knowledge of your pattern to fight back against you with a suitable weapon and with various tactics.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 16, 2009, 08:36:15 am
You don't have to get pro on a single weapon , but it easier to get precise shots by playing and knowing a single weapon's facts (like recoil , speed , damage , angle etc.)

When attacked (most likely in the enemy's base) do backflips , rolls , anything to fool the enemy as they will start to shoot at each other and stop to say "omg sorry" while you are far gone with the flag.

Realistic only, and when is a flag chaser gonna stop to say sorry?!

When you get killed by an m79 say "omg m79.." and vote kick him with the reason "♪ Mista Bombastic ;) ♫".

Omg that just proves you're not even close to pro, a noob is a noob by behavior, as in whining complaining and bit**ing...You should ignore it and learn to dodge\counter them better.

I noticed that , if you play on just one part of the map (let's say , only higher part ) you will get either killed more or saw-ed .- when you see this is happening , go to a different "level" of the map , like mid or low.

It's in the beginner's guide somewhere around the forums I think, any veterans give us the link please? It states that the enemy might have even become sensitive to your presence there and therefore faster in reporting you, as he'll know that you'll still be there, that's why you should ALWAYS change routes after killing an enemy or being spotted, always, because he will report you and a teammate(s) will head there to take you out, so if you change routes immediately you'll 1.Make them waste man power
2.Provide yourself and your teammates with a temporarily weakly defended route, easier to go through.
3.Confused the enemies movements and delayed their actions. 


When drinking Red Bull and playing with an auto, please go spec.

You mean coffee, right? xD
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Makaveli on May 16, 2009, 09:09:55 am
"Pro"... I can give y'all some pieces of advice from a kinda experienced realistic soldat player. May not apply neither to non-realistic nor s and/or a games. Will not write about such obvios things like constant movement or rushing only with full clip.

First of all: the sooner you see your enemy the better are your chances to defeat him. In your several first games it will feel like you are the only one unable to see throughout walls ;)

1. Knowledge about map is a must. You need to know where opponents are most likely to come from. This way you will be prepared.

2. Nades are lethal. It's an awesome weapon for close/mid range combat. Direct hit shuld kill a player. You can use them in several "advanced" ways:
a) players use steep slopes to gain speed in order to jump high. You can nade this slopes without even revealing your position. This method can be used for every spaces that are often used by oponents, for example spots which are used for landing after long jumps;
b) when you're running away from your oponents (with flag or to reload/heal yourself) drop nades on the ground. Chasing players want to be as fast as possible and soldat is a game with bunny-jumping. Opponents will often touch ground what makes them vulnerable to your "mines";
c) when it's likely that enemies will grab your flag try to nade it. It's always a nice (for you) supprise when an opponent gets killed 0,5s after grabbing;
d) if only you can do it, nade campers instead of shooting them. They are likely to kill you with one shot what may not be tru vice versa. Accurate nade is a shure thing;
d) always have at least one nade with you. You will not survive encountering a skilled spass-rusher when he makes it to v. close range but you can still kill both of you with a kamikaze nade xD

3. Don't be affraid of spraying. Let whiners whine while you enjoy your kills. There are many maps where spraying is extreamly useful. For short distance use mp5, mid - stayer, for the longest range take minimi.

4. Always try to use as few bullets as possible. Random shots can hurt your teammates and it's a bitch when you end up with no ammo and an almost dead enemy rushing at you.

5. M79 (aka noobgun) is a weapon good as any other. If it's not removed from server then you are free to use it. If someone calls you a noob dor using it you can always say: "so you were killed by a noob, my dear sir? doesn't it make you an ubern00b?". If anybody will try to votekick you for using it, it's a server takeover. If you play on a decent server (like Leo's) report it to an admin and it will be taken care of.

6. When facing two or more opponents always kill the one with rugger first. It's a one-hit-kill gun (in most cases) and while you need to hit a moving target several times with slow bullets, the guy with rugger can hunt you down with almost no effort. Btw rugger is good for beginers - huge dmg, decent range, fast rate of fire, blitz reload. Especially good when there are no more than 8 players in game.

7. What enemies can't see they can't kill. Usually :] But the point is that it's sometimes a good idea to hide near flag, let enemies go past you, wait 3-4 seconds and then follow them to your flag. They will be most likely unaware of your position and moreover, they will be facing your teammates.

8. As Mx7 said, change your routes. Especially running with flag. For example, on ctf_run, start your run high, wait untill one of oponents taunts "efc up" and you become invisible for emenies and then go mid. They will spray air. Also when you kill sb near his spawn it's very likely that just after spawn he will rush to get you and will also call his teammates to help him. You have time for preparations: reloading, healing, placing nade-o-mines etc.

9. Saw is for show-offs, knife if for support only. They may be useful in normal mode where eating is not a bug - it's a game concept. In realistic mode they are almost useless. Remember! Don't underestimate socom!

10. Don't ever listen to whiners. If your actions do not violate server's rules they can suck your dingdong.

Somewhere on realsold.org there is also a large, detailed minimi tutorial written by me.
Enjoy
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Mx7 on May 16, 2009, 10:17:07 am
Omg that just proves you're not even close to pro, a noob is a noob by behavior, as in whining complaining and bit**ing...You
should ignore it and learn to dodge\counter them better.

Actually that was a joke..

You mean coffee, right? xD

nope. Red bull owns
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 16, 2009, 10:44:17 am
Omg that just proves you're not even close to pro, a noob is a noob by behavior, as in whining complaining and bit**ing...You
should ignore it and learn to dodge\counter them better.

Actually that was a joke..

You mean coffee, right? xD

nope. Red bull owns

F*** redbull, power horse FTW ;d
Back on topic: Learn all trick shots on different maps, and know which weapon is best for different situations like player numbers\scenery count\map scale\map type (Building\outdoors)
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: KeNNy` on May 20, 2009, 09:21:23 am
Tip: Try learn dodge in air(this is called "wormer" by pressing 'X' in air), this really can save Your ass. I know what I say. ;)
Advice: Don't kick someone with reason "asdfasdf"  "noob" or something else stupid.Then people think that You are "noob".
   
Thank you for Your attention. Good Luck my friend! :D
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: ElGato on May 20, 2009, 10:28:27 am
Also, you should read this (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=9548.0).
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: excruciator on May 20, 2009, 10:30:48 am
Use the most overpowered weapon in any version. And special mention to nades as they are always overpowered, so use them too.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: TradeMAAK on May 25, 2009, 12:05:43 pm
Tip No.XXX - Do not pay this game.

But seriously - hide behind sceneries and use your weapon to shoot over them. This works extremely well in some maps (especially survival mode). But be cautious of m79 and laws.

There is no overpowered or underpowered weapons most of the time. Different map situations require different weapons. Maps with lots of colliders are good use of m79. Maps with big open space - spraying weapons. Small maps - spas, etc... it's not that hard to figure out. If someone complains that you are  an [X weapon] noob, he is a retard and should be kicked.

Press f11 or f12 depending on what majority of players want (vote against). For example, if majority want to kick a hacker vote f11, because this will only piss them off more and eventually they will nerdrage (hilarity ensues). If however some guy has an obviously stupid reason for kick (asdf, lol, etc..), be sure to vote f12, because if he gets kicked he will get serious nerdrage and maybe even come to forums to cry or do /mercy irl (WIN!).

Some TK/griefing pro tips:
1) NEVER use direct TKing method (just shoot someone in the face) unless you just want to get some quick 5 minute  fun and return to whatever you were doing. Then you can pick saw and just try to kill as many teammates as you can until you get kicked.
2) Use m79 or law and shoot the roof above players so they die but you don't get TK penalty.
3) Get in front of snipers when they are camping. Sometimes they stretch the view and can't see you, so when they shoot and kill you, they get TK penalty (Leo's servers).
4) Leo servers: If your teammate kills you, then either kill him instantly or wait to kill him next round. Choose the one which rage out the player more. For example if its the end of round, you will obviously kill him next round so he can't play, but if you want the round to end quicker, kill him this round.
5) Make it apparent that you are jewish, black or any other discriminated group and then report people for being racist when they kick you for tking and griefing (I don't think this actually works, because Leos TW admin banned me for being jewish lol, but the idea is fun)
6) Kill your teammate for flag and then when you have obvious chance to score, run back to enemy territory and give it back to them.
7) Use maximum signs in your name because to some people this will cause access violation error which will seriously piss themself off (I get these errors all the time and Im speaking from experience)

That's about it. If I think of something new I will write it down.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: croat1gamer on May 25, 2009, 12:53:32 pm
Yeh, that is the perfect guide how to be a Majorâ„¢
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 25, 2009, 02:06:11 pm
TrademAAk you're an ass for what you said, it's true after all, idiots confess...
This thread is dedicated to helping newbies and not ruining their soldat experience, if you're glad and happy that you're a loser troll (Not an offense, a fact) then don't think other people will enjoy being kicked for TK'ing and other childish crap.
So please, either delete your post and stop giving this kind of opinions, keep them to yourself.
Or please, can any admin delete that? (I'll delete this post the moment any admin helps out or the "Noob" guide is deleted)
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: LtKillroy on May 25, 2009, 03:17:58 pm
I can think of two things, things I always say when asked about this.
1) Learn the backflip. Then love it.
2) Play multiple game modes. Learning the backflip at climbs, various weapons on different servers (knife on dddgeball for example), attacking or defending at Inf, general killing at DM's, etc. all make you much better at any one game mode on its own.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: TradeMAAK on May 25, 2009, 05:20:54 pm
Quote
TrademAAk you're an ass for what you said, it's true after all, idiots confess...
This thread is dedicated to helping newbies and not ruining their soldat experience, if you're glad and happy that you're a loser troll (Not an offense, a fact) then don't think other people will enjoy being kicked for TK'ing and other childish crap.
So please, either delete your post and stop giving this kind of opinions, keep them to yourself.
Or please, can any admin delete that? (I'll delete this post the moment any admin helps out or the "Noob" guide is deleted)
QQ more. You presume that all players enjoy the game the same way as you.
Just wanted to help out fellow griefers that's all.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: p0ppin on May 25, 2009, 05:46:59 pm
Quote
TrademAAk you're an ass for what you said, it's true after all, idiots confess...
This thread is dedicated to helping newbies and not ruining their soldat experience, if you're glad and happy that you're a loser troll (Not an offense, a fact) then don't think other people will enjoy being kicked for TK'ing and other childish crap.
So please, either delete your post and stop giving this kind of opinions, keep them to yourself.
Or please, can any admin delete that? (I'll delete this post the moment any admin helps out or the "Noob" guide is deleted)
QQ more. You presume that all players enjoy the game the same way as you.
Just wanted to help out fellow griefers that's all.

This thread is to help noobs, not create them TrademAAk ;)
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Dusty on May 26, 2009, 03:59:04 am
TradeMAAK gave me some serious lolz, and in some cases he even had a slight of a point!
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Platehead on May 26, 2009, 06:09:56 am
Gotta admit they're pretty clever.  But yeah if you do it you're on the path to having an extremely screwed reputation.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Grimbad on May 27, 2009, 11:59:03 pm
If you're using AK or minimi, pretend it's a semi-auto. Click off each shot rather than holding down to spray.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: STM1993 on May 28, 2009, 01:48:02 am
If you're using AK or minimi, pretend it's a semi-auto. Click off each shot rather than holding down to spray.
That is a correct method for the AK, but wrong for the FN Minimi. That'd be even more inaccurate, you should fire continuously. Why?

1) Bink overrides movementacc, this is a proven fact. (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=32272.0)
2) Minimi has low self-bink and high movementacc - the movementacc makes the gun much more inaccurate than the self-bink.
3) Therefore, when using the Minimi, if you can concentrate your fire on your enemy, always hold down the shoot button to fire automatically for greater accuracy. The initial 4 shots will be inaccurate by movementacc, but subsequent shots are affected by bink rather than movementacc. Since the inaccuracy caused by the self-bink is much lower than the movementacc even after firing a rather large number of shots, you are actually firing more accurately than if you had fired by tapping or short bursts.
4) However, that also doesn't mean that you can just hold down the shoot button forever. Self-bink will still build up and if it reaches a certain level, it'd be inaccurate too. It is therefore recommended that after firing about 10-15 bullets (that's a LONG burst), you stop, and repeat the cycle again.

If you argue that the method I speak of now doesn't work in older versions and that tapping is still the way, that was in older versions. Comparing the new Minimi and old Minimi, the general accuracy stats are:

Old Minimi:
Bink: -49
Movementacc: 2

New Minimi:
Bink: between -7 to -12
Movementacc: 3 or 4

(as of 1.5.0, the Minimi has -7 bink and movementacc 3)
That is why the tapping method works in older versions but not in newer versions, while firing continuously was stupid in older versions but works a lot better right now.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Platehead on May 28, 2009, 06:11:44 am
Even with AK, it gets tiring, bursting makes you just as straight really.
If you try and tap with minimi, there's STM's point and also the fact that you'll get RSI.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 28, 2009, 06:53:27 am
If you're using AK or minimi, pretend it's a semi-auto. Click off each shot rather than holding down to spray.

STM made it clear that the minimi has a couple of inaccurate shots when beginning to fire with it. The first 3 shots go either way downwards or way upwards. So it's advised to keep it own at least till your enemy is dead, or you're safe to reload\refill health\etc...

But it's kinda beginning to ruin the whole point of controlling your autos. The burst mode necessity for better aim was an awesome way of doing it, need more precision in acting. Now when firing very long bursts or simply finishing the whole clip at once (By making it more accurate for some weps than bursts) just ruined the whole point of that :(

If 1.6 (Should it ever come out) is going to be another fall downwards for soldat then be sure that I'll leave soldat for good. :/
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: STM1993 on May 28, 2009, 08:30:31 am
Even with AK, it gets tiring, bursting makes you just as straight really.
I personally use bursts too, mostly a 2-3 shot burst, but sometimes more in some situations. The self-bink and movementacc for the AK is really negligible.

But it's kinda beginning to ruin the whole point of controlling your autos. The burst mode necessity for better aim was an awesome way of doing it, need more precision in acting. Now when firing very long bursts or simply finishing the whole clip at once (By making it more accurate for some weps than bursts) just ruined the whole point of that :(
Actually, it's a whole lot better for the game - specially for the Minimi.

The Minimi is arguably the most powerful auto compared to the other autos. 8 shots to kill, a very high bullet speed (270) and a fireinterval of 9 (that's rather slow if you miss a lot, but rather fast if you hit every shot) - that is a very high DOT. Then it has the large 50 ammo clip, so it is capable of killing a lot of opponents in one clip. Only weakness - long reload, but that doesn't really matter. If the Minimi were accurate, it'd be a super AK with the only weakness of having a long reload - a true machine gun.

There IS control. All autos require concentrated fire. While all the other autos are generally accurate in the first few shots (Aug's first bullet is slightly off-angle but good users can make sure even that shot is hits) but becomes very inaccurate upon firing too much, the Minimi is the reverse (until too many shots are fired as well, because the self-bink value would have raised too much). Therefore the difference is that, you now have to wait a while before you can have full control instead of having full control at the beginning - this balances the Minimi in terms of accuracy. This also means that the other autos are good for short encounters, while the Minimi is better for longer engagements and over a longer range. It also ensures that the Minimi is not too powerful for offense by making it waste more ammo and have less DOT whilst moving but still a deadly force of defense when holding choke points.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Grimbad on May 28, 2009, 05:42:36 pm
If you're using AK or minimi, pretend it's a semi-auto. Click off each shot rather than holding down to spray.
That is a correct method for the AK, but wrong for the FN Minimi. That'd be even more inaccurate, you should fire continuously. Why?

I should have clarified that I'm not talking about bink, but recoil.
"You know you play Trenchwars too much when you assume that new players would play Trenchwars..."
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: GAMEOVER on May 28, 2009, 06:10:37 pm
Or you can just try to be more like me. :D
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: -Major- on May 28, 2009, 06:11:42 pm
If you're using AK or minimi, pretend it's a semi-auto. Click off each shot rather than holding down to spray.
bad idea... don't click every god damn bullet... I highly doubt you can click fast enough to not lose any fire speed.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 29, 2009, 02:44:56 am
Or you can just try to be more like me. :D

This is why newbs always have difficulty learning when they learn from other players...
Anyways, ctf tip: Never go back unless you HAVE to trap an enemy flagger or simply protect your flagger. Always move forwards.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: STM1993 on May 29, 2009, 03:32:48 am
I should have clarified that I'm not talking about bink, but recoil.
You should have mentioned that you were talking about the Realistic balance... it'd be assumed to be Normal balance around here if nothing is said =.=

Anyway, the Minimi in realistic follows a similar stat to the old Normal Minimi, so tap-shooting would work in that case when controlling recoil. However, the Minimi's recoil is not that bad if you know where to point your cursor, it's the self-bink in Realistic you'd really have to worry about (yes, Realistic has BOTH bink and recoil), so I recommend that users should just fire in a short bursts of 2-3 instead of tap-shooting every single shot. This way, recoil would still be kept at the minimum, prevents inaccuracy by self-bink, and the firing rate is still relatively fast.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: GAMEOVER on May 29, 2009, 08:44:22 am
Was just jokin anyway im shocked no one bit.. guess this community has gotten smarter.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Demonic on May 29, 2009, 12:31:54 pm
don't let STM's raw math power deceive you.

also, playing with a low mouse sensitivity and keeping the crosshair always around the enemy (not under or over aiming) is probably the best advice. And mastering grenades, because those are the only things that aren't going to change much in any version, and it's the shit which gets you the most kills anyway.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: STM1993 on May 29, 2009, 12:39:28 pm
don't let STM's raw math power deceive you.
If you knew me in my school, you'd take that back =P

Anyway, another tip:
Don't just read guides/advice, follow them and do it! If it doesn't work for you, then use what you personally find to be the most effective, or keep practicing.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Murska on May 29, 2009, 03:32:59 pm
9. Saw is for show-offs, knife if for support only. They may be useful in normal mode where eating is not a bug - it's a game concept. In realistic mode they are almost useless. Remember! Don't underestimate socom!

Socom is good, yes, but Knife is also a very! powerful weapon when mastered. The arc can let you use it like a re-usable grenade, throwing it at slopes and positions enemies often are in. Remember, with bullets aswell as nades and items, that if you're shooting from directly above or below at something moving horizontally, you have a much smaller window of hitting than if you're shooting from the front or the back. With knife, since it's a kill wherever you hit if you hit, it's even more important.

With knife, you GOT to be very aware of colliders. Hide behind them as enemies approach, dodge their nades by jumping away just as they throw them, very few people can throw a nade accurately while shooting at the same time. Force the enemy to waste his shots and tempt him into coming too close, then pop out and throw your knife at him. This works especially well in RSA where you have a lot of time and only one life per person, along with suitable maps for it.

With knife, you HAVE to hit. If you miss your throw against someone with a gun, you're pretty much dead. Don't try to get your knife back if you see it's a sure death, but instead attempt to lure him away to pick it up later or just run away and hope to come across another weapon. Punching the enemy from behind while he's law-camping is also always fun. :)

So, with the above-mentioned, do not try to throw unless you know you can hit. Throwing a knife from far away will almost always miss and it'll leave you with, well, no knife, which is bad.

If you're using knife as a support, with another gun, use it either with barret for close range defense, a sawer/spaser deterrant or a backup weapon for reloading. However much it pains me to admit it, if you're using an automatic with a fast reload, you're probably better off with LAW.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Laser Guy on May 29, 2009, 04:07:00 pm
A skilled player can make the chainsaw one of the most feared weapons, even in realistic...
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: croat1gamer on May 29, 2009, 04:10:12 pm
9. Saw is for show-offs
Trust me, if there are +3 players on the enemy team and/or the map has lost of collider walls/collider spots it is a fearful weapon in your hands, just learn to use it.
Low ping is your firend.
And remember- the spas is not your friend if the enemy has it.

Also, the less the fuel, the less escaping possibilities the enemies have. (Test the saw on tw maps, and no tw maps)

And dont forget, EVER, if the enemy is also using a saw, and having lower ping than you DO NOT ENGAGE him, as you will die in 85% of the cases (the 15% is when you dodge the enemy, not by killing him by going straight on him).
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: p0ppin on May 29, 2009, 05:41:14 pm
Yeah a 0 pinger would only lose in saw vs. saw if he sucked terribly. :-X
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: STM1993 on May 29, 2009, 07:30:27 pm
With knife, since it's a kill wherever you hit if you hit, it's even more important.
That is not true. The knife (when thrown), still follows a Speed x Damage rule and the hitbox rule like any other bullet. That explains why (assuming the enemy is in full health):

1) If you did not charge up your knife sufficiently - the knife's throwing speed and range will be decreased and you won't be able to kill in a single hit.
2) If your opponent is too far away. It takes a long time to travel, and by then, the knife has lost a lot of speed. Even if it hits, it won't kill.
3) At a relatively far range, when your knife hits the body, it can kill. Same goes if you managed to hit the head. However, if it hits the legs, you might not be able to kill in a single hit.
4) If your enemy is above you, it is not recommended to throw a knife. The knife would lose speed quickly (with a much shorter range too) and it'd most likely hit the enemy in the leg, which does less damage. In this case, you should use the grenade.
5) Derived from number 4, you should throw your knife if your enemy is infront or diagonally below you. (directly below is hard to aim) The knife loses its initial speed after throwing and would move downwards by gravity (which can be very fast and used to your advantage, especially if you throw downwards).

For realistic, I'm not 100% sure, but most of the time the Knife would kill even in the occasions above since the total health in Realistic is 65 units, compared to normal's 150 units (that's a big difference).
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: croat1gamer on May 29, 2009, 07:45:56 pm
With knife, since it's a kill wherever you hit if you hit, it's even more important.
For realistic, I'm not 100% sure, but most of the time the Knife would kill even in the occasions above since the total health in Realistic is 65 units, compared to normal's 150 units (that's a big difference).
Hes a realistic player.

Also, try to find a mod you like, as it is a awesome psyche boost, which can actually impede with your skill if it isnt good enough.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 30, 2009, 03:37:37 am
Lol this is gonna be a "playing" tip more of it than a pro game tip. If you can't get the reg and got bored of Gore\Necromancide\Bloody Soil. Use winamp player xD
Make a playlist, open it, play the music, then open soldat. Done. :)

And now an in game tip for the knife: DON'T try to throw out random knives when running backwards of simply backing away from a fight in an attempt to kill your hunter, it won't work.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: homerofgods on May 30, 2009, 10:17:14 am
I got a tip from one of the LS guys when I was trial :P: The knife is not something to depend on as a main weapon, only if you don't have much choice.

and my tip:
In ctf, Teamwork is more important then you think, it can often be improved too.
I remember it felt like vortex took a step up after we focused mainy on teamwork for many clanwars, I advise most clans to have a few clanwars with high focus on teamwork. info and so on,,
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: TradeMAAK on May 31, 2009, 05:04:09 am
Saw is indeed a very good and effective weapon in smaller maps and with lots of players.

Knife on the other hand is nerd weapon, because its used mostly by people who wanna look cool by throwing it and wanting to look cool in a vidya game is huge NERD ALERT!

If you see someone trying to use only knife on a server where all weapons are available you should kick him for trying too hard.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 31, 2009, 01:16:53 pm
Some people fall back to the knife for it's versatility trademaak, and never again try to call a knifer "nerd". Cause that would mean me too, although I don't go knife only on a free-weps server, but that still doesn't give you excuse to call them attention whores cause most of them (if not all) do t eitherfor fun, or for practice.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: DarkCrusade on May 31, 2009, 01:25:14 pm
Some more general things:

1) Dont argue with admins, really dont piss them off. They can be your best friends, but if you annoy them you will be most sad guy around, if you are around then anymore :)

2) Dont complain too much, everyone will think you are simply immature or something like that, or you complain about immaturenes of others what is even more immature. Everyone will hate you for this, long discussions and votekicks on publics are following this. Most players on public servers are youngsters playing Soldat not that long to know how important a good atmospehre can be, try to keep all harmonic and you will play more concentrated and better.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on May 31, 2009, 03:18:22 pm
Some more general things:

1) Dont argue with admins, really dont piss them off. They can be your best friends, but if you annoy them you will be most sad guy around, if you are around then anymore :)

2) Dont complain too much, everyone will think you are simply immature or something like that, or you complain about immaturenes of others what is even more immature. Everyone will hate you for this, long discussions and votekicks on publics are following this. Most players on public servers are youngsters playing Soldat not that long to know how important a good atmospehre can be, try to keep all harmonic and you will play more concentrated and better.

[off topic] That's why sometimes I wish soldat would ask for some sort of age verification so no one under 16 or something could play it...Even the 15 year olds out there can be a pain...[/off topic]

Back on topic: Never shoot a LAW orM79 when hiding in a box or other sorts of colliders.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: -Major- on May 31, 2009, 04:09:04 pm
use Minimi. now you're a full fledged pro.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: TradeMAAK on June 01, 2009, 04:49:15 pm
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excuse to call them attention w***es cause most of them (if not all) do t eitherfor fun, or for practice.
Practicing a weapon in a vidya game = INSTAFAIL!

Also, pro tip = it doesn't work much though. If you really hate someone vote him with reason server:possible cheating or Ж3жЛеуЕ or something, since that sometimes appear on server auto kicks.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Platehead on June 02, 2009, 03:56:41 am
That's kinda lame.  If admins are here they may get annoyed.
In knife throwing, you should basically press the switch weapon button as soon as it leaves your hand.  If you miss, you're not forfeiting too much of your time that way.  Also, if you threw upwards and hit their feet, you can quickly finish them off with your gun.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: Dusty on June 02, 2009, 04:06:11 am
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excuse to call them attention w***es cause most of them (if not all) do t eitherfor fun, or for practice.
Practicing a weapon in a vidya game = INSTAFAIL!
2nded.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on June 02, 2009, 10:28:08 am
That's kinda lame.  If admins are here they may get annoyed.
In knife throwing, you should basically press the switch weapon button as soon as it leaves your hand.  If you miss, you're not forfeiting too much of your time that way.  Also, if you threw upwards and hit their feet, you can quickly finish them off with your gun.

You reminded me of a mistake many people (sometimes includes me) make when throwing a knife, if you hit the switch weapon button but push the weapon throw button too soon, you'll have thrown away the main weapon still in your hands and the knife will be holstered, so always time your throws ;/
(Sometimes throw my Barret or Deagles by mistake when switching to the knife...DEADLY BARRET THROW! )    :P
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: demoniac93 on June 07, 2009, 01:56:06 pm
A little hint for the new guys confused about picking " a style". Even though having one isn't the biggest step to mastering your game, I've noticed a couple of nice combos for those trying to find one:
If you play an all-round mood doing both attack and defense, but you're slow\inaccurate, try going with the AK-74 and the LAW, the AK is a good weapon for beginners considering it's good accuracy up until a full screen, and it's high bullet capacity, but the ROF is slow enough for those with weak aim to calculate by shots fired. And the LAW is an easy to use and versatile last resort 1 hit killer, good for defense and 1 on 1 face off's when in a tight spot.

If you're a crazy rusher and always go forward, only worried about clearing the front, use the MP5 and the Spas, or the Deagles. (The 2nd one can even boost your speed), combined with a socom, or a knife, and if you're good at getting close to an enemy while taking little damage, try the saw for a change, why the MP5? Because it has a short reload, perfect for catching your opponent off his ammo, and finishing him off with a couple of shots when you're moving at him fast, and it's got a high ROF, and an incredibly useful arc for getting those suckers hiding behind colliders. The Deagles' high damage combined with some speed allow for 1-2 hit kills, the arc is very useful for hard placed enemies, and the reload is usefully fast, the lack of bink being a totally different story. The socom is a very good support weapon with good damage, ROF, and ease to use. The knife for it's versatility, and it's 90% chance of 1 hit killing, if you can master this baby you're on the way to being good. The saw doesn't really need explaining,  right?

Last but not least, for those of you who are still as forts, backing up your team and being the last thing in between the bad guys and your flag, why not try the Ruger? It's reliable damage, accuracy, fast reload, and straight shots allow for quick countering of enemies and quickly finishing off an enemy flagger when he's still about 1 and a half screens away. If you can't work with the rugers slow ROF, go with the steyr, this baby is easy to use, can fire away 25 bullets in the blink of an eye, and it's got both a short reload and tolerance for bad guys, it has very high DOT (damage over time) due to it's bullet speed and the damage of the bullet itself, it's also very accurate, and has a low arc up until 2 screens range, perfect for holding off enemies with full health, due to it's high push, and very effective at taking out weaker opponents and chasing flaggers. If all else fails try the barret, if you know where to prone, and where the grass is thickest, this will save you a lot of engagements and health, the scope will help you with taking out a full health opponent before he's even close to your base, and can sometimes take out 2 low healthed opponents, (Or on realistic, 2 full health). It is also useful for eliminating other snipers\sprayers, and if you learn how to calculate your shots, it's a disaster for enemy flaggers. However, if you intend of going out in the open with it, be sure to be good in dodging, and getting out of the range of automatic weapons, as the barret's slow reload, and high bink, make it a risk at close to mid range fighting. Remember, the LAW is your friend, teach them to respect it. It's 1 hit kill ability and ease to use are a big help for when you've fallen to a last resort situation, or a 1 on 1 stand off, but don't foget it's long reload, and that you'll have to pron\crouch to fire it, so be quick on your legs! And remember to take the start up time in mind, to calculate your missiles' heading.
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: KYnetiK on June 07, 2009, 03:47:20 pm

You reminded me of a mistake many people (sometimes includes me) make when throwing a knife, if you hit the switch weapon button but push the weapon throw button too soon, you'll have thrown away the main weapon still in your hands and the knife will be holstered, so always time your throws ;/
(Sometimes throw my Barret or Deagles by mistake when switching to the knife...DEADLY BARRET THROW! )    :P


Gah I do this way too often >_<
Title: Re: Pro Tips
Post by: SDFilm on June 08, 2009, 07:00:59 am
Saw is indeed a very good and effective weapon in smaller maps and with lots of players.

Knife on the other hand is nerd weapon, because its used mostly by people who wanna look cool by throwing it and wanting to look cool in a vidya game is huge NERD ALERT!


I dunno about that, I did feel more nerdy when modding my saw into a lightsaber complete with sounds. And who says throwing knifes in a game is cool?* It kinda more rings [generic anime about ninjas] fan instead. [retard]

*and no disrespect to Graham, he's the real thing.  ;)