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Soldat Talk => Weapon Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Dizzy So 1337 on June 30, 2007, 03:29:10 am
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This is an open letter to anyone that hates the M79 (and yes, I mean to be harsh):
Learn to play the game and STFU. The M79 has been around in Soldat for 7 years and has been through like 20 revisions in that time. If you haven't learned how to not get killed by this weapon, you are either a) a noob, b) absolutely ignorant of terrain and situational awareness, or c) completely inable to curb your rushing instincts. Or all three.
a) The Noob Factor. Nothing says 'noob' like saying 'I hate M79's'. Sure, your noob friends might agree with you, but guess what? There is also a large bunch of us that have been playing Soldat for, say, more than a month or two, and know how to counter this weapon properly. Nerfing this weapon for you noobs would ruin the balance for the pros that play the game.
b) The Ignorance Factor. Ya know what a noob does when he's killed by an M79? He cries. Ya know what a pro does when he's killed by an M79? He adapts. He thinks about where that M79-toting bastard is on the map, and how fast that bastard could move into an advantageous position, and where he is most likely to go given current tactical info. And that pro is gonna use that info to his advantage.
c) The Rush Factor. Ya know what you noobs might want to think about is maybe, um, curbing your enthusiasm. Some of us know how long it takes you to spawn, and how long it takes you to get to a certain point on certain maps, and where a blind M79 shot is at least 80% likely to land a kill against a noob rusher...
Anyways.... I know I've been rude and inflammatory in this post, but maybe someone that is less pissed off at all you M79-hating noobs out there can be maybe a bit more... i dunno... conciliatory... but in my opinion, you all need to understand that the M79 is defeated easily with a bit of practice and tactics and common sense. The notion that you are going to defeat the M79 by calling it a 'nubcannon' or by hating on it, is nonsense.
Get over it. Deal with it. PLEASE.
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...Thats nice.
1: Kind of a wrong place to put this.
2: Already been done... Even by me.
4: I skipped three.
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I LOVE THE M79 and thats my input, see you in servers!!
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soldat hasn't been around for 7 years
oh, and errrr...USE A REAL GUN
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soldat hasn't been around for 7 years
Damn, you beat me.
Yes I would agree with you dizzy. The m79 can be a very effective weapon in the right hands.
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plz stop complaining on M79 users on soldat are all players free to use the weapong they want....so if they use M79 go out and kill them insted of crying on the forum.
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This is an open letter to anyone that hates the M79 (and yes, I mean to be harsh):
He wasn't complaining about the m79. He was giving his opinion on it.
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I don't think it's overpowered, but I do think it's cheap. It isn't noobish or ignorant to get annoyed by being quickly killed by a cheap shot, though it might be noobish to be unable to adapt and cope with it if the map allows it.
But still, you don't hear people needing to 'adapt' and use 'advanced tactics' against Deagles ;)
The Ruger is like the M79's more respectfull brother- It's annoying, it kills quickly, but it does take the skill and patience of covering that learning curve.
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But still, you don't hear people needing to 'adapt' and use 'advanced tactics' against Deagles ;)
Or any other non-1hitkill weapon for that matter >_>
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But still, you don't hear people needing to 'adapt' and use 'advanced tactics' against Deagles ;)
Or any other non-1hitkill weapon for that matter >_>
I dont know about that...Chromedgun...i have to adapt to the ruger when 2 or more people are using it...but the ruger has always been my most hated weapon. (just so i dont get flamed im not bashing the ruger... i think its a very respectable weapon)
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M79 SUCKS FAGGOT LEARN TO USE A REAL GUN OH WAIT SORRY I FORGOT YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU SUCK SHIT
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I say give the m79 delay.
Dizzy, you don't have the right to call people n00bs. It shows your lack of maturitiy when dealing with this subject and as I can see you aren't really neutral when it comes to this, you're in favor for m79 being the way it is. Instead of balancing the game, you want things to stay the same so you could use the m79 and have fun with it.
Also you have to agree with me that you can't survive against 3 m79ers rushing on your base. Sure they won't get the flag cause they'll get massacred but they will still kill most of the people.
I mostly get killed by OHK weapons and not by autos. Mostly becasue some guy is desperately trying to kill me with the ak, half of the bullets lag and don't hit me and then an m79 comes in and whoop I'm dead, stealing that guy's kill. Easy as that mate....
EDIT: Not Not LOL@avatar
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Lol, great post dizzy. Sure i havent even played soldat a year, but i do know that it takes skill to use the m79 properly. You have to learn the curve and the fact that lag can change everything. And how is it any different to barrett? Both 1 hit kill, barrett has practically no range, m79 has small range, barrett has a zoom, m79 doesnt...
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Lol, great post dizzy. Sure i havent even played soldat a year, but i do know that it takes skill to use the m79 properly. You have to learn the curve and the fact that lag can change everything. And how is it any different to barrett? Both 1 hit kill, barrett has practically no range, m79 has small range, barrett has a zoom, m79 doesnt...
barrett has bigger mov acc, slower reload, harder to hit people from upclose, Bink. Also m79 grenade is a couple of pixels bigger than a bullet. And yeah barret has a delay...
and it's wrong to say it ahs no range... it has the biggest range of all weapons, please learn english properly
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I cont help it man, its not my first language. By range i mean it doesnt travle far
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EDIT: Not Not LOL@avatar
I have an avatar?
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The reason I hate and M79 is because it doesn't require a lot of skill to kill someone. It's overused and many noobs use it. I'd say pick up a real gun and learn to use it.
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Fortunately there is the best mod ever (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=1857.0) to use as a stress ball to save your sanity in those nasty public servers....
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MM himself said he didn't modify the m79 when he released 1.3.1...
however I doubt it. When I compared 1.2.1 and 1.3.1, I could have sworn that the bullets weren't exactly moving the same way.
Anyway, this topic made me laugh.
Fortunately, in 1.4 the m79 seems to have been slightly revised and is a bit more "fair" toward other guns. However it looks horrible with this fat yellow trail. :/
Still. "Rule #1: Kill all the m79 bustards!"
;)
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The m79 can be a very effective weapon in the right hands.
In the right hands is the operative statement here. When my favourite servers are full and I'm left to join a random server, it's very annoying facing off against an entire CTF team of inexperienced m79's. Yes, in the right hands it is a potent weapon and great in a team weapon mix, but in the wrong hands it's just plain annoying when you splat because they got lucky.
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The reason I hate and M79 is because it doesn't require a lot of skill to kill someone. It's overused and many noobs use it. I'd say pick up a real gun and learn to use it.
completely agree!
I think it's overpowered:
Slightly too short reload time (faster than the binking, start-up-timed barret)
Noobs use it because when they're under attack and are like "huh, what's going on?" they usually have enough time to turn around and kill with practically no skills necessary.
Remember the barret? It's been around for 3 (or more?) years when MM realized that it was overpowered. He gave it start-up time (so noobs like you wouldn't complain).
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If an autoer goes one on one with an m79er and can't kill him a few times then you just suck. For one thing all autos have a massive range compared to the m79s. Also if you get into a tunnel you can just spray without aiming and kill the m79er with ricochets. Don't cry to michal cause you don't know how to fight an m79er, I know how to find autos, why? Because I know they are my weakness so I specifically learned ways to trick or evade them. And me having dodged many m79 bullets myself.... learn to use your jets... they can be the life or death of you when going against an m79.
Moved.
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All weapons have their advantages, and their disadvantages...So I don't know why people complain.
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the thing i dont like about the m79 is that the m79 is a "simple click" weapon.ย point, shoot, and forget.ย lather, rinse, repeat.ย same with barretards on their little hills.ย its takes so much skill to shoot guys 2 screens before they see you.ย also, against the charging, if ur not charging a m79, then hes charging u.ย or camping in all the r/s servers.ย but i do [ab]use the m79 every now and then, so i cant say that much.ย
u know wuts worse than m79 [ab]users?ย when u [ab]use m79 and everyone eats the explosives.ย ur like "now why cant i do that?"
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What I don't understand [forgive me for going on a tangent here] is how people are so adamant about NOT CHANGING their tactics. Broken Arrow here's not the first nor will he be the last to complain about the M79. You know what? The M79 is a indirect-fire weapon. That means it fires at a low velocity. What does that mean? Sure they have the advantage IF they're on high ground, but if they're shooting up, the low velocity curbs the range of the M79. Now, how does this translate into a tactical advantage for you? Go up higher, dumbass. If you're above them, they can't reach you, but you can reach them, easily. Use gravity to your advantage. Same with countering a Spas. And if the M79 goober is holding a hill, LEARN TO GRAB ANOTHER WEAPON, uh, like a Barrett (Hello! There's a USE for the scope!). What is it with some of you dummies and one weapon? It's like you grab the MP5 in every map, even when there's a huge open space that designed for sniping, and then you complain that every other weapon is overpowered.
And goddammit you guys need to stop rushing and learn to adapt to the changing battlefield. You only have yourself to blame if you run 8 times into the same guy with the Barrett who is camped out at the exact same spot [like 80% of the snipers out there don't practice the fact that mobility is the other half of sniping]. Why the hell don't you snipe him back? You learned 8 times that he's there. Everyone's rushing and using a Spas? Go grab a Barrett. Everyone using a Barrett? Grab a Barrett, or, if you have cover, bink them out with an auto. Everyone's using a M79? Spraying is just as honorable. It's called suppression fire. Use it or lose it.
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I know one change, that would ruin the m79 for noobs, but at the same time, make it more useful for pros.
about 30 ticks of startup time.
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M79 SUCKS ***GOT LEARN TO USE A REAL GUN OH WAIT SORRY I FORGOT YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU SUCK ****
mmmm toasty. banned.
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M79 SUCKS ***GOT LEARN TO USE A REAL GUN OH WAIT SORRY I FORGOT YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU SUCK ****
mmmm toasty. banned.
Lol
Make a thing in the Sin bin.
I miss reading those... Well, I miss new ones.
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M79 isn't a noob gun. If you can't get past it that means you can't dodge. They're REALLY easy to get by and even Cancel out. Just kill them before they can reload.
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The reload is faster than the shortest respawn time. If he 1v1's you (guess there have to be others in-game for the respawn not to be instant)and if he got you out cold near your spawn, you're dead for sure.
It takes like 2-3 secs to respawn, 3 secs to reload the M79. Then when you've respawned you're this "ghost" that cannot be shot and that can't shoot. By the time you can shoot, the M79 is locked and loaded. You can't pick the M79 at this time either to take him out with it, because it takes 3 secs to reload after spawn. He just can't miss that shot, you're a sitting duck when you respawn. Unless your teammate comes for your rescue or if he respawns too, you're screwed.
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It is just a gun, on a freaking game.
Your acting like your having a duel and your opponent gets a pistol and you get a spork.
Please get over it, lately there has been countless topics on this.
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It is just a gun, on a freaking game.
It's just a gun that ruins the whole **** fun on a freaking game.
Your acting like your having a duel and your opponent gets a pistol and you get a spork.
Isn't that pretty much what it is? I dunno wtf a spork is, I suppose it's way weaker than the pistol since you compared that to this.
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It is just a gun, on a freaking game.
It's just a gun that ruins the whole **** fun on a freaking game.
Your acting like your having a duel and your opponent gets a pistol and you get a spork.
Isn't that pretty much what it is? I dunno wtf a spork is, I suppose it's way weaker than the pistol since you compared that to this.
(http://www.zentropolis.com/log_images_2003/spork.jpg)
Spork.
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I don't have a problem facing one M79er, but when you face a whole team of them, it gets a bit frustrating. Ok, so there are pros that use the gun, but there are also a lot of new players in the game that use it. They see a grenade launcher, and they're like "goodie!" *click*.
Maybe what should happen is the learning curve for the M79 should somehow be carefully increased, as to not put the people who have learnt the weapon very well off it, but to keep new players from only using that one weapon.
Maybe try a bit of startup time?
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That was my suggestion, that everyone readily ignored.
+f12
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F11...
I didn't take my time to partially master a weapon just for it to be changed because some people see it as unfit.
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All weapons have their advantages, and their disadvantages...So I don't know why people complain.
^Amen to this.
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M79 SUCKS ***GOT LEARN TO USE A REAL GUN OH WAIT SORRY I FORGOT YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU SUCK ****
mmmm toasty. banned.
lol
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F11...
I didn't take my time to partially master a weapon just for it to be changed because some people see it as unfit.
When 1.3 was being made, some people thought that autos should be given self-bink. Being a committed Minimi player, I whined like a n00b because of that, but that's just what happens from the firm hand of weapon balancing. So don't expect to escape the need for weapon balancing just because you have spent time trying to learn the weapon in it's current state.
Not that I'm saying the M79 will be changed in 1.4.2....
LEARN TO GRAB ANOTHER WEAPON, uh, like a Barrett (Hello! There's a USE for the scope!). What is it with some of you dummies and one weapon?
Yes- On a large map, long ranged weapons such as the Barrett would have the advantage over the M79; but if someone chooses to use an MP5 (or any other short-mid range weapon) even though it's a large map, that means the MP5 user would be at a disadvantage, but that doesn't matter because the M79 user (being a short-mid ranged weapon as well) would have the same disadvantage- unless you're saying that the only way to kill an M79er is to use the most advantageous and map-specifically unfair weapon in order to counter the M79's power.
And goddammit you guys need to stop rushing and learn to adapt to the changing battlefield. You only have yourself to blame if you run 8 times into the same guy with the Barrett who is camped out at the exact same spot
Yes, that is very stupid when people do that with known sniper nests.
It's called suppression fire. Use it or lose it.
Suppression fire is only really usefull in Realistic Mode.
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F11...
I didn't take my time to partially master a weapon just for it to be changed because some people see it as unfit.
Not unfit, just too bloody popular.
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So, you hate it because people like it?
That is unorthodox...
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You misunderstand me. I dislike it because it is overused.
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Fortunately there is the best mod ever (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=1857.0) to use as a stress ball to save your sanity in those nasty public servers....
that little bit of recognition brought a tear to my eye SDF
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Maybe try a bit of startup time?
F12. When we're talking about startup-time, we're talking about something in the style of more-than-what-the-barret-has-because-barret-can-be-binked.
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Ok people, they already tried the start up time before 1.4. Its not going to happen, they said it completely ruins the gun.
As for the OP. Man, I love you. Nice post.
All you m79 haters: If they nerf this gun, what gun are you going to cry about next? You all hate how weak all the weapons are, but guess who did it. All of you whiners. Eventually, none of the guns will do any damage what so ever. And no one will die. Will you then be happy?
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Will you then be happy?
Yes.
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Ok people, they already tried the start up time before 1.4. Its not going to happen, they said it completely ruins the gun.
Who are "they"?
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Beta testers.
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'm79 hater' haters should stfu as well
his forum contains millions of threads with i hate m79 and i love m79 this is an endless discussing
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i'll **** up some *****es with a spork. put a spork in the game of soldat and i will rule that world. i'll take icecream, cereal, and noodles all at the same time. and dont get me started with the knorks and splayds....(check attachments)
"...i dont know wtf a spork is..." lol.
"mmmm toasty. banned." lmao
and i do change my ways to adapt to the envirinment. sometimes it takes 8 deaths, but i still do. i have a good rotation of deagles, mp5, ruger, and occational m79. secondary is knife/saw. in the hexer mod u have to adapt to the skills and levels of your opponents.
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(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j82/SGunny/spork.png)
Download!!!
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Lmao! *click*
Can I get the RAWR picture to go with it, so I know when someone is using a spork? rofl.
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Sure, I can try to mod that in if ya want XD
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The reload is faster than the shortest respawn time. If he 1v1's you (guess there have to be others in-game for the respawn not to be instant)and if he got you out cold near your spawn, you're dead for sure.
It takes like 2-3 secs to respawn, 3 secs to reload the M79. Then when you've respawned you're this "ghost" that cannot be shot and that can't shoot. By the time you can shoot, the M79 is locked and loaded. You can't pick the M79 at this time either to take him out with it, because it takes 3 secs to reload after spawn. He just can't miss that shot, you're a sitting duck when you respawn. Unless your teammate comes for your rescue or if he respawns too, you're screwed.
It's called spawnkilling. You can do it with chainsaw, too. ZOMG CHAINSAW IS NOOB WEAPON HALP!
I think m79 should have a time in which it wouldn't explode just go through enemies and do them some damage (Maybe about 1/3 of their health). It wouldn't really be problem for ppl who use m-seventy-nine in proper way (Such as me :D) but it would for sure stop all that kamikaze running.
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Start up time does NOT ruin the m79. There have been mods that use it, and it definately isn't ruined.
It doesn't have to be more than the barrett, just enough to require you to think ahead.
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Seriously, its a gun not a friggin society. If you don't like people bitching to you about how you're a massive M79 newbie, Then you can mute them or change servers or use a different gun. And don't make pointless threads that clog up the forums This type of thread has been made before. You should of done a search and posted something in that thread not start one for people to hate you.
Grow up people.
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soldat hasn't been around for 7 years
. The m79 can be a very effective weapon in the right hands.
The M79 is an effective weapon in anyones hands, even a guy who starts playing the game for 5 minutes for his first time.
To me, there is no M79 experts, because the gun requires little effort to use, and you can master it in a day or 2. The Barrett on the other hand, takes skill because of it's delay, reload time, and extreme accuracy and you have to practice lots more with it than the m79. New players generally stay away from the Barrett because all of that and usually go for an auto or the M79.
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soldat hasn't been around for 7 years
. The m79 can be a very effective weapon in the right hands.
The M79 is an effective weapon in anyones hands, even a guy who starts playing the game for 5 minutes for his first time.
To me, there is no M79 experts, because the gun requires little effort to use, and you can master it in a day or 2. The Barrett on the other hand, takes skill because of it's delay, reload time, and extreme accuracy and you have to practice lots more with it than the m79. New players generally stay away from the Barrett because all of that and usually go for an auto or the M79.
Finally, someone speaking the truth.
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Heh... the M79 makes a good secondary...
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The reload is faster than the shortest respawn time. If he 1v1's you (guess there have to be others in-game for the respawn not to be instant)and if he got you out cold near your spawn, you're dead for sure.
It takes like 2-3 secs to respawn, 3 secs to reload the M79. Then when you've respawned you're this "ghost" that cannot be shot and that can't shoot. By the time you can shoot, the M79 is locked and loaded. You can't pick the M79 at this time either to take him out with it, because it takes 3 secs to reload after spawn. He just can't miss that shot, you're a sitting duck when you respawn. Unless your teammate comes for your rescue or if he respawns too, you're screwed.
It's called spawnkilling. You can do it with chainsaw, too. ZOMG CHAINSAW IS NOOB WEAPON HALP!
Do you think chainsaw is a noob weapon? I don't. It's easier to dodge the chainsaw and it's easier to kill the chainsawer. Theres nothing you can do vs a M79'er.
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I personally think that if someone gets pwned in Soldat - it either becuase:
1.His (her?) skills are shit
2.Skills of the killer are รBER1337
3.(S)He rushes like an idiot, so his (her) enemy has only to point, wait, click, another kill
Other that that - it's nothing to be angry about. You got pwned at short range becuse you went out of hiding and ther's suddenly an M79 user? Well, if it would be Spas, you would also get yar ass whooped. You had a medium range weapon, the enemy had a short-range one, so he easily beat you at short range, EOT. Choose Barrett another time and kill him from 666 meters, he won't be able to do anything with that so-much-hated-by-you M79 of his.
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Did some "research" on Wikipedia (inside ""'s as stuff there can aswell be bullshit but whatever)
You guys don't need to flame me about that Soldat "isn't supposed to be realistic".
Having to reload after every shot meant a slow rate of fire and therefore an inability to keep up a constant volume of fire during a firefight. Also, for close-in situation, the minimum arming range and the blast radius meant a grenadier would have to either resort to a backup pistol, if he had one to begin with, or fire and hope that the grenade would not arm itself and act as a giant slow bullet.
Note that the M79'er couldn't be able to keep up during a firefight. In soldat, M79'ers can keep up very well. Also notice the minimum arming range mentioned ;)
Operation
To fire, the grenadier pushes the safety forward, revealing the symbol 'F', and pulls the trigger.
This would mean a (small atleast) startup time for the M79. Well, in realistic mode anyway...
Effective range 350 m (383 yds)
Maximum range 400 m (437 yds)
Haha :D Compare this with soldat xD
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I have seen enough m79 threads, maybe find another weapon to beach about...
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I remember this one conversation very clearly from the first few days I played Soldat (which was way back in 1.2.1).
Me: "why are they killing me and my bullets not damaging them?"
headless n00b: "learn to dodge bullets."
Words of wisdom.
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I remember this one conversation very clearly from the first few days I played Soldat (which was way back in 1.2.1).
Me: "why are they killing me and my bullets not damaging them?"
headless n00b: "learn to dodge bullets."
Words of wisdom.
A-f*cking-men! It is really not that hard to dodge m79 bullets.
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I remember this one conversation very clearly from the first few days I played Soldat (which was way back in 1.2.1).
Me: "why are they killing me and my bullets not damaging them?"
headless n00b: "learn to dodge bullets."
Words of wisdom.
A-f*cking-men! It is really not that hard to dodge m79 bullets.
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are you on drugs?
Seriously.
I am not bad at soldat.
It is impossible to dodge m79s.
Either add some startup time, or decrease the speed.
Edit: Chromed: Amen. That is what an m79 should be.
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It's even harder when the person firing the M79 is lagging, because even though you think you've dodged it, it hits you anyway.
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Edit: Chromed: Amen. That is what an m79 should be.
^^
I also found out yesterday that the M79 in soldat appears to be a sawn-off version of the M79:
(http://world.guns.ru/grenade/m79-2.jpg)
That's a real M79. The one in Soldat has a shorter barrel, this is also "realistic" because appearantly some soldiers in Vietnam sawed of some of the barrel for increased mobility, so it would be smaller and kinda lighter. This is also correct with the fact that the Soldat m79 has shorter range than those with "un-sawnoff" barrels.
Damage and reload shouldn't have anything to do with the barrel though.
...I'm a nerd! Damnit!
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SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT
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SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT
Except for that one mode... I forget what its called... I think it starts with R...R-R-Realistic... DUR!
But seeing as you can survive grenades, i guess it isn't very relistic....
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SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT
You guys don't need to flame me about that Soldat "isn't supposed to be realistic".
QFT.
It doesn't matter if it isn't supposed to BE realistic. We can still base the weapon on the real life counterpart. I mean, it isn't called an M79 for nothing, now, is it?
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SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT
Except for that one mode... I forget what its called... I think it starts with R...R-R-Realistic... DUR!
But seeing as you can survive grenades, i guess it isn't very relistic....
except uhh durr uhhh re-r-r-ree-r-realistic doesn't alter the weapons at all.
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SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT
Except for that one mode... I forget what its called... I think it starts with R...R-R-Realistic... DUR!
Even in real mode...
You can still fly using jet boots.
You can still jump about 3 times your height.
You can still survive a very long fall that would otherwise be fatal in real life.
You can still run around while carrying a minigun and throw nades at the same time.
You can still run around with the Barrett.
You can throw a knife at someone and kill them instantly.
You can move the same amount of speed and are uninhibited even if you're heavily injured.
Do you get the point now? Realistic mode only changes your viewing field and makes weapons a bit stronger, but it's only a small change to an otherwise fictional game. :-\
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SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT
Except for that one mode... I forget what its called... I think it starts with R...R-R-Realistic... DUR!
Even in real mode...
You can still run around with the Barrett.
You can run around in real life with a Barrett. But if you fire it, your going to end up lying on your back.
But yeah, realism isn't what Soldat aims for.
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I remember this one conversation very clearly from the first few days I played Soldat (which was way back in 1.2.1).
Me: "why are they killing me and my bullets not damaging them?"
headless n00b: "learn to dodge bullets."
Words of wisdom.
A-f*cking-men! It is really not that hard to dodge m79 bullets.
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are you on drugs?
Seriously.
I am not bad at soldat.
It is impossible to dodge m79s.
Either add some startup time, or decrease the speed.
Edit: Chromed: Amen. That is what an m79 should be.
Eh... maybe you just never tried, we are not talking about dodging some suicide runner here. Use your jets and momentum to trick other players to shoot around you, or use the distance between you and them to doge the bullets with your jets, like if you see a m79 bullet coming at you while you are on the ground, backflip, you may get splash damage but you can at least get them down on their life as well by the time they have reloaded.
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You can run around in real life with a Barrett. But if you fire it, your going to end up lying on your back.
True, but still not as fast as when the Soldaten skip around to move like 25 m/s. :P
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You can run around in real life with a Barrett. But if you fire it, your going to end up lying on your back.
True, but still not as fast as when the Soldaten skip around to move like 25 m/s. :P
Not to mention doing a freaking back flip with one.
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I am as big an advocate for arcade-y soldat as anyone, but the problem is there, and making the m79 more realistic can solve it.
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your stupid. i cant help it if alot of people is a M79 spammer.
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your stupid. i cant help it if alot of people is a M79 spammer.
You're stupid! A lot of people are m79 spammers!
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your stupid. i cant help it if alot of people is a M79 spammer.
You're stupid! A lot of people are m79 spammers!
Grammer FTW!
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your stupid. i cant help it if alot of people is a M79 spammer.
You're stupid! A lot of people are m79 spammers!
Grammar FTW!
Spelling FTW!
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It is impossible to dodge m79s.
I said this a while back, but it bears repeating:
Who's more credible, the person who has dodged, and says it CAN be done, or the person who hasn't, and concludes it's impossible?
I and many others dodge M79 shots quite frequently. And it's this capability that makes the M79 one of the easiest weapons to fight against. They shoot, they miss, and you tear them apart with an auto.
Now let's say they DO hit you. Suddenly, they're defenseless for three seconds. This is why M79ers rarely (if ever) win deathmatches: Unless they're REALLY good at Soldat, the best they'll ever get is a 1:1 kill ratio. And that's assuming every one of their shots hits. Maybe it's not fun to die instantly, but you have to look at the big picture.
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I've been playing for 4 years, yay I'm cool. M79 is a gun like any other, just avoid his shot then kill him. easy as that. Mp5 for the win!
EDIT: it's easy to dodge m79's. Just be flying when they shoot at you. cuts down thier chance of hitting you a lot. I had a m79er kill himself shooting up at me. I also had 3 m79s all miss because I was just flying above them. Then my little mp5 went in for the triple kill :)
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i guess it just comes down to how good people are at aiming.
it definately IS possible to dodge it at mid ranges if they are aiming upwards and youre in the air because you can change your predicted trajectory, but most of the time the map/situation wont allow for that <people playing m79 should be camping the tunnels or something>
ive never really had problem with m79, because i spend the majority of the time in the air... for the air advantage :P
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Hmm. Tarolg, that sakes a little sense. After all, in the air, the nade has to hit you directly. But, what if he decides to go kamikaze? You can't do anything about it, you die, he doesn't.
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There's this thing that a lot of R/S players like myself do, it's called "weaving". ย Some of you might've heard of it, I'm sure, but I'll just briefly explain it for those of you who haven't.
Basically, to weave, you go prone, stand, go prone, and stand (basically just keep tapping your prone button) while in midair. ย Using jets is also important to stay airborne. ย The main purpose of weaving is to confuse the player who is firing at you with a OHK weapon (99% of the time it's a Ruger 77, because a headshot in realistic mode -can- kill in one hit).
I play normal mode sometimes, and weaving has saved my life many times against M79ers who are a short/medium distance away. ย They will most likely miss, which gives me plenty of time to kill them with my desert eagles. ย I love norm mode deagles. :D:D:D:D
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What you've described Sentinel is usually known as worming. Personally I hate people who do that, but it is a valid technique for throwing people's aim off. Although I can't see it being much use against an m79. If they get close enough to you they can just shoot you and most likely they aren't going to be missing.
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If they get close enough to you they can just shoot you and most likely they aren't going to be missing.
A simple solution to that is to not let them get close. Soldat doesn't always have to be about rushing at your opponents; it's perfectly acceptable to keep your distance (preferably above the enemy) while firing at them.
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What you've described Sentinel is usually known as worming. Personally I hate people who do that, but it is a valid technique for throwing people's aim off. Although I can't see it being much use against an m79. If they get close enough to you they can just shoot you and most likely they aren't going to be missing.
You would be surprised how many times I have dodged a bullet in the Ctf_Run tunnel.. Its all about the jets....
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Well if it works for you, go for it. Usually I just run at them as fast as possible and then jump at the last second when I guess that they're going to shoot. It usually works.
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Well if it works for you, go for it. Usually I just run at them as fast as possible and then jump at the last second when I guess that they're going to shoot. It usually works.
Most people can't think on your kind of level... yes that is a complement.
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Most people can't think on your kind of level... yes that is a compliment.
Spelling FTW!
Or maybe it'sGrammer FTW!
, since technically, "complement" is a word.
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M79 is a good weapon but i dont use it because its only good in 1 on 1 battle maby 1 vs 2 or if you lucky 1 vs more
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I don't know, but I don't like going 1 vs 1 when I have m79. If you miss, you're pretty much screwed unless you're very good with your secondary.
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just stay far away from m79ers and you'll be ok
if they keep running away and shootin' then ignore them, find a new target..
easy as that
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Well...If Ya can't beat em join em XD
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Hmm. Tarolg, that sakes a little sense. After all, in the air, the nade has to hit you directly. But, what if he decides to go kamikaze? You can't do anything about it, you die, he doesn't.
Lol, go play somethin else than publics.
Someone is coming at you, you just float in the air? Shiit him down ffs, or evade, or learn to aim with M79/Barrett. .__.
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Well...If Ya can't beat em join em XD
lol thats not a option fo meh because I suck at m79....
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Well...If Ya can't beat em join em XD
lol thats not a option fo meh because I suck at m79....
Try it for 2 minutes, you'll soon be a master.
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just stay far away from m79ers and you'll be ok
if they keep running away and shootin' then ignore them, find a new target..
easy as that
Nah, I rather just chase the down. Sometimes they just go for my teams flag that they don't notice I'm behind them. xD
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The only problem i have with 79ers is that they kill you from one centimeter away and they dont die.... how the fuck is that possible? If you add self damage to nades then ffs add it to the nade launcher. Am i making sense?
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The only problem i have with 79ers is that they kill you from one centimeter away and they dont die.... how the **** is that possible? If you add self damage to nades then ffs add it to the nade launcher. Am i making sense?
What is the problem? That it is unfair that THEY do not die, but you do? Why do you let m79's near you? Do you think they do that on purpose, come near and blow you up and stay unscratched?
Soon people will start to whine about how chainsawers dont die when they saw you!
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Its an explosion... and its kinda hard not to let an m79er near you when there are five of them on a tiny map like nuubia or whatever its called.
EDIT: And im not trying to complain or whine im just saying that if its that close they should damn near die too.
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all i have to say on the matter of what guns are noob guns, it would be depends on how you use the gun if you are suiciding with an m79 then you are in my opinion a noob, if you are using an auto and spraying and i mean "spraying" as in standing somewhere and just firing into the distance at nothing yet again you are a noob in my opinion....just except that you got killed by the gun you think is the most noobish and just stop making these threads all they do is start a flame war or argument.
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hey i used the m79 on the beginning, now i dont. when im killed by m79 i dont go like: wtf m79 noob bla bla...
he killed me, im dead. final.
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I think this (http://m79users.willbedefeated.com/) is pretty inspirational. :P
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I think this (http://m79users.willbedefeated.com/) is pretty inspirational. :P
haha that was funny
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in my opinion the m79 weapon isn't a good weapon with difficulty it is being played, I wills automatic weapons ::)
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I think this (http://m79users.willbedefeated.com/) is pretty inspirational. :P
lolz I love it
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I think this (http://m79users.willbedefeated.com/) is pretty inspirational. :P
lolz I love it
Dude that was bad ass... The music was effin perfect.
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Yeah well, the bullet shouldnt be as big as it is. Its like the size of a soldat head. To easy.
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hey i used the m79 on the beginning, now i dont. when im killed by m79 i dont go like: wtf m79 noob bla bla...
he killed me, im dead. final.
Same here, only difference that I have used it only for a few hours when I started playing Soldat :)
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the only way they can make the m79 un nooby is if the lengthen the reload or decrease the damage to 3/4 kill not oneshot kill witch ppl abuse to the max it is a newb weapon only good for learning how to estimate drop on other weapons
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MAN I AGREE M79 ROCK`S AND U KNOW WHAT IT ROCKS HARD, is a very cool weapon even went i hate it lol cause i dont like get hit whit my own gun but anyways, is a super cool gun man and u need alot of practice to dominate it so to all of u noobs LEARN HOW TO PLAY CAUSE is not like we dont know how to use other weapons is more like WE KNOW U CRY EVERY TIME U GET KILL WHIT M79 SO LEARN TO LUV IT OR DIE
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I LOVE THE M79 and thats my input, see you in servers!!
WHO needs skils when you can get m79
when i started soldat i played with it
and i was good
you cant be good when you start playing
i have no skills but i pwn all the time pro players
:O
M79 SUX
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M79 is no big deal, I mean your still dying no matter what gun, and its not overpowered becuase you get 1 or 2 if your a noob. My only thing is, and I've said this a lot, it needs a startup time, all the other one hit kill guns do, so why doesn't M79?
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Seriously all you kids saying you started out with the m79 and "Omg I gots sooooorrr many killessszz I'ssss wasn't chellanged enerf!"... why not go play against someone thats been around for a while and is really good with the m79. See if your luck shots even matter to a person that knows the arc and speed of the m79 bullet. Btw I first played with Steyr and I was good, then I switched to the spas and I was good, I also used barret and I was good. Does that mean that these weapons are noob? No.
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The only problem i have with 79ers is that they kill you from one centimeter away and they dont die.... how the **** is that possible? If you add self damage to nades then ffs add it to the nade launcher. Am i making sense?
I've been in that exact situation with an m79 where I[/i] died sooo many times and the other person did not. Maybe I just have bad luck.
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I LOVE THE M79 and thats my input, see you in servers!!
WHO needs skils when you can get m79
when i started soldat i played with it
and i was good
you cant be good when you start playing
i have no skills but i pwn all the time pro players
:O
M79 SUX
You sux.
I use m79 in cw's.
Noobs are shit at using m79.
Now.
Get The fuck out!
K.?
K.?
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Flaming = bad. <Roasts boots with a flamethrower>
I'm seriously getting tired of all these n00bs complaining about other n00bs abusing the freakin' M79. Like โ said, there's an art to being able to use the '79 to it's full extent. The slow-ish reload, startup, and considerably low velocity makes it a somewhat hard weapon to use at range.
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Sif it was flaming... Common sence!
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Most people dislike it because it's, like, the most common weapon in pubs. You might have half the server using an M79, and everyone else using an auto or semi (and not one of them using the same one either).
Sure, you could dodge one M79, but can you dodge three M79's coming from different directions, especially when one of the shots is fired from a lagger?
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M79 PWNS!!!!
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The M79 is the only weapon that's way too easy to use and way too hard to master.
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The m79 is a good and bad weapon at the same time, in my perspective. It owns when you use it, but it sucks when it is used against you. I hate it, for example, when I keep looking out for the autoers on the opposing team, and then get smacked in the face by an m79. Or when a m79er falls from the sky when you aren't looking and makes you break your legs on the ground and be all ouchy. But I do love it when I'M the one doing that to my opponents.
Honestly, the m79 can work well in a 2 on 2, 3 on 3, or even bigger scenario. I'm using so few people because it seems to be what I mostly play in, for I'm a clanner and not a big fan of pub servers (I get ping kicked with my damn dial-up). Anyways, the m79 can be devastating, but that's only if you make your shots. If you miss, it's just like the 'rett. You gotta scurry around and hope you don't get auto'd to death. But, if you hit, it's a quick and easy way to get in and out without taking much damage. Good for a capper, sometimes.
But, when every single person is autoing, it makes it hard to concentrate on hitting your shots, thusly you end up missing and die. In those situations I think it is better just to go ahead and auto with your teammates, so that you'll wear down the enemies with your constant spray.
What I really hate, though, is when the entire opposing team goes m79 on me. It makes it where I have to go m79 or Rett myself. Autos just take too damn long to kill when you have two or three people rushing after you with friggin' nade shooting guns. I always end up dying before I get anywhere. :\ Of course, I am thinking about Nuubia, Ash, and sometimes Voland, when I'm saying this... Maps like Laos are somewhat easier to avoid the m79, for it is larger and more capable of spraying. Spraying helps to slow down the m79er, and make the shot curve before it hits you. Thus why I don't mind the enemy m79ing on maps like that.
I've rambled enough, I suppose. :O
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I play with all weapons:) m79 is good for small maps, the best universal weapon is AK:)
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Its kinda funny to see yet another m79 topic.
Other words, but always same meaning...
"M79 SUXXX!!!! ITS NOOOBBB! ban it!1!111"
"m79 is ok, just learn to dodge..."
blah, blah, blah...
to h8ers... : M79 is in soldat from the begining. It won't be thrown out.
On the other's hand...
Trying to convience M79 haters won't help. PLZZZZZ stop making topics about m79. I hope that anyone will listen to these words ...
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Most people dislike it because it's, like, the most common weapon in pubs. You might have half the server using an M79, and everyone else using an auto or semi (and not one of them using the same one either).
Sure, you could dodge one M79, but can you dodge three M79's coming from different directions, especially when one of the shots is fired from a lagger?
On of the flaws in pubs, people will start using a weapon that kills alot. I have seen a few times where my team notices me or someone else do good with the m79 and people slowly start switching, just people hunting for that "perfect gun" they can't seem to find.
Its kinda funny to see yet another m79 topic.
Other words, but always same meaning...
"M79 SUXXX!!!! ITS NOOOBBB! ban it!1!111"
"m79 is ok, just learn to dodge..."
blah, blah, blah...
to h8ers... : M79 is in soldat from the begining. It won't be thrown out.
On the other's hand...
Trying to convience M79 haters won't help. PLZZZZZ stop making topics about m79. I hope that anyone will listen to these words ...
Oh wow.... such a genius. We would have never figured out such a complicated matter such as this one without your help which is a guiding light to those in the dark caverns of weapon balance discussion. Please keep raining wisdom down upon us. Oh intellect incarnate from the heavens.
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Wow, Dagger. You're a jerk.
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M79 not a real gun? Hell, it takes more skill to use the M79 than any of the other 'sprayers', etc.
Ever tried missing a shot and staying alive till it reloads?
N00bs get me with the M79 too, but I don't complain or cry...
I just get them back with the M79 about 10 times more than they got me!
Besides, I use the M79 in all CTF matches (pub., CWs, w/e), and I've got people a lot more times in a single life than, say, a n00b could ever do....
Also, n00bs usually kill a person or two and die, and spawn again and do the same thing, which goes into the realm of spawn-killing.. the pros get atleast 4+ people in a life before they're taken out.
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M79 not a real gun? Hell, it takes more skill to use the M79 than any of the other 'sprayers', etc.
Ever tried missing a shot and staying alive till it reloads?
N00bs get me with the M79 too, but I don't complain or cry...
I just get them back with the M79 about 10 times more than they got me!
Besides, I use the M79 in all CTF matches (pub., CWs, w/e), and I've got people a lot more times in a single life than, say, a n00b could ever do....
Also, n00bs usually kill a person or two and die, and spawn again and do the same thing, which goes into the realm of spawn-killing.. the pros get atleast 4+ people in a life before they're taken out.
i agree
miss= dead with a m79 your a n00b target or unlucky person against a good M79er if you get killed in the first shot or just a n00b if you get killed after he reloads.
in short:
n00bs h8 getting nowned by some one who is better than them
eg.
everyone!
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I play with all weapons:) m79 is good for small maps, the best universal weapon is AK:)
No way!
M79 is good for large maps too.. in fact, it may be better for large maps, where there are players scattered all over the place, and there's more than enough time to reload after a kill before you attack another player.
I use the HK MP5/M72 Law combo for small maps, M79/USSOCOM combo for large maps, and they work out perfectly.
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Ok, well Ive been playing for almost a year now (like 11 months or so) and I still maintain that the m79 is overpowered. it is not a matter of adapting. It is a matter that you can shoot the crap out of an m79er, chipping away his health, then he grabs a medkit and slaughters you. Either that or you just shoot the crap out of him and he turns around and kills you like that. It can be annoying sometimes.
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in Deathmatch on small/medium maps, it IS an overpowered weapon. Just face that.
There is not one manouver you can do when you are midair and a m79 is jetting towards you. Unless he really sucks, or goes into a seizure or something.
In CTF it is a whole other thing. There you might not be engaging him directly, but going for the flag.
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There is one "manouver" you can do.. its risky but
that power button below the cd drive.. yea you know the one..
Go ahead Press It
You Know you want to.
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in Deathmatch on small/medium maps, it IS an overpowered weapon. Just face that.
There is not one manouver you can do when you are midair and a m79 is jetting towards you. Unless he really sucks, or goes into a seizure or something.
In CTF it is a whole other thing. There you might not be engaging him directly, but going for the flag.
On small dm maps... if a few people are using autos then its a bit of a done deal for the m79, not that easy to stay alive with bullets everywhere. I usually just stay in one set path and kill anyone that dare get in my way.
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Learn to play the game and STFU. The M79 has been around in Soldat for 7 years
I stopped reading right here.
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Learn to play the game and STFU. The M79 has been around in Soldat for 7 years
I stopped reading right here.
OK, OK! This spurious statistic has been pointed out a few times. Explanation of my carelessness. Eh, I've been playing since about 3.5 years ago, given that my first version was 1.2.0. At the time I wrote the post it just kinda 'felt' more like 4.5 years. I have always been careless and bad with my memory regarding time especially if it is anything more than 6 months back.
Anyways, I just kinda 'guessed' at the total age of soldat by multiplying my personal soldat experience by 1.5... I just assumed that based on the level of popularity and activity at the time I got into it, and the number of versions that had preceded me, that this math was 'in the ballpark'. Clearly it is not even close.
So, clearly these things are true:
1) I shoulda said 'since the beginning' instead of '7 years'.
2) I am not getting a fact-checker job anytime soon (except maybe for the Los Angeles Times).
Also as a final note I want to say that my personal views regarding the M79 have changed somewhat since the OP, and partially in response to the lively discussion my rant inspired (yeah I know its a dead horse to the 5stars hereabouts). I still find the M79 to be 'perfectly' balanced in high level games with elite players. However these days I am more likely to concede that it can be regarded as overpowered in a public server that is populated with a buncha Soldat initiates, and a damned nuisance in Hexer.
Date Posted: September 16, 2007, 04:10:56 am
Dizzy, you don't have the right to call people n00bs. It shows your lack of maturitiy when dealing with this subject and as I can see you aren't really neutral when it comes to this, you're in favor for m79 being the way it is. Instead of balancing the game, you want things to stay the same so you could use the m79 and have fun with it.
Actually, I'm an ex-M79'er. I moved onto other weapons like a year ago, after I learned the M79's limitations inside and out. My post is not meant to defend my use of the M79, lol!!! I dont use the damn thing anymore, because I have moved on past n00b level a long time ago and unless you really, really, really know the M79 you cannot kill 1337 soldat players with it. An newbie M79'er is a joke to me in battle. Your mistake is assuming that because I am in favor of the M79, that I am an M79 user. I'm not.
My point stands... M79 should be called a 'n00bcannon' and rightly so... but not because only n00bs use it... no, it should be called a 'n00bcannon' because only n00bs get KILLED BY IT.
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I'm new to this game, but I don't see the M-79 as a over powering weapon, I can see that it can easily be over used by lamers, but still, I've only played for 3 days, and I can dodge it already... you guys really are noobs for complaining, I don't even use a mouse, I use a nub to control! :P
And use say use real guns? Other than the fact that is really is a real gun, name one other gun that is useful, and can't be lamed out? I think you'd reach a verdict of 0.