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Granades -1?
« on: May 14, 2009, 01:31:51 pm »
I'm just wondering how many people who think maximum nades should be 2 instead of 3.
I will add a poll and discuss if you want.

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2009, 01:47:56 pm »
What? You can set up as much grenades you want, from none to +10 in the server options...

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2009, 02:48:30 pm »
What? You can set up as much grenades you want, from none to +10 in the server options...
I mean in gathers and sctfl ofc.

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2009, 03:05:11 pm »
I always like it when the server is set to 1 nade so that you don't start with one.

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 04:14:54 pm »
What? You can set up as much grenades you want, from none to +10 in the server options...
I mean in gathers and sctfl ofc.
This is neither the gather nor sctfl forum. Take it up with them.

http://www.sctfl.net/forums/
http://gather.soldat.nl/forum/

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2009, 05:28:43 pm »
What? You can set up as much grenades you want, from none to +10 in the server options...
I mean in gathers and sctfl ofc.
This is neither the gather nor sctfl forum. Take it up with them.

http://www.sctfl.net/forums/
http://gather.soldat.nl/forum/
this is soldat forums for soldat topics. it's not a suggestion just a discussion. I don't mean just gathers/sctfl I also mean overall what people like. jeez, just stop looking for errors to point out and discuss the topic
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2009, 11:24:55 pm »
Don't take away my third grenade. I already have to put up with that in R/S. :\ Grenades are great, and they take a lot more skill than people give credit for. In my opinion, the grenades are perhaps the defining feature of Soldat's online gameplay. I've never seen another game where grenades are as vitally important as everything else, and I rather like it.

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2009, 12:49:42 am »
First of all, these are server-side options, so it's up to the server owner to decide, though I agree that the best number of grenades are kept between 2-3.

Second of all, this is not a gather/SCTFL discussion forum.

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2009, 11:47:53 am »

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2009, 01:09:44 pm »
thx for link
I honestly believe 2 nades would be better, but I don't think the majority think the same.
As I see it, nades are the most deadly weapon, I will do a test on myself, play a gather and look at the demo, and find out how many kills i got from nades
« Last Edit: May 15, 2009, 01:12:53 pm by homerofgods »

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2009, 01:15:26 pm »
I prefeer 3 grenades as well.  There is a discussion like this on SCTFL like Dusty showed us.  Many people said there that 2 grenades would be too little, 4 too much, and 3 just perfect.  Some maps which are bigger and have less places to pick up more grenades it's perfect to have 3 there, I find.

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2009, 01:23:37 pm »
Maybe in some cases, 2 would be too little. But sometimes 3 is too much IMO.
As I see it, less nades means more skill on each nade you use, you have to think where to use them.
It would also avoid a lot of random explotions and shaking of screen. I think 2 nades would be better for the gameplay. More focus on the guns. As it is now you could survive almost purely on nades.
The more I think about it the more sure I become.
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2009, 10:14:20 pm »
I usually don't even bother grabbing a pack.

Still, since nade is as overpowered as it is, you should only have 2 in your disposal.
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2009, 11:38:02 pm »
Ahh excruciator :P
Yeah maybe this is in the wrong section?  From what I gather you're just trying to discuss opinions... maybe should go in general.  We already have a grenade discussion topic even if it's weird xD
As for my opinion I reckon 3's fine, but 2 may be good for stopping extreme spam..
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2009, 12:21:36 am »
3 is fine...2 is ok...although the gameplay wouldnt be as much different...
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2009, 01:16:01 am »
It would, 2 nade spams are quite different to a 1 nade 'spam'.  You've usually either used one or saving one for a kill.. so yeah 2 nades when spamming increases chances of hits
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2009, 01:24:36 am »
I personally think having only 2 nades in competitions etc would be better. This way, Soldat becomes more gun-based than nade-based, plus the amount of nade spamming is reduced. Besides, that's why we want to buff up Soldat guns back to 1.2.1 level.

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2009, 05:51:26 am »
I personally think having only 2 nades in competitions etc would be better. This way, Soldat becomes more gun-based than nade-based, plus the amount of nade spamming is reduced. Besides, that's why we want to buff up Soldat guns back to 1.2.1 level.
Well said. You see what I see.
I think the problem is that it's too easy to say: No leave it with 3, then to think about it and realise that it would be better with 2. 
I still haven't heard any GOOD reason why to have 3.
The fact that it was nerfed from 4 to 3 doesn't really matter much now.
I have heard: (1 for boosting 2 for spamming, fair enough.) but how much is boosting really used? not every time. 
Another thing is that (the nade don't kill sometimes because of lagg), that's a poor excuse if you ask me, and it will be the same for every player.
another: (they were nerved once more with the higher self-damage) again, does it matter what happend before?
That's all I can dig up and I'm not impressed.
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2009, 05:54:56 am »
max 7 nades :DDDDD

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2009, 08:27:29 am »
max 7 nades :DDDDD

Wow, you, dear mister, just ruined soldat.
Btw, @STM: With the damage boosts given to the guns on 1.5 we're dying too quick, there's no chance of dodging/etc. Successfully cause of that, no matter how good you can dodge, they're just too strong and kill too goddamn quick!
Back on topic though: 1st of all thanks for making it, guess I forgot to do it.
Now, I think 3 nades are way too much cause of spam issues, with 2 nades you'd have to think triple before spamming them, cause maybe you won't see another pack for a minute, and you'd have to revert to your guns more, and therefor master them quicker, and make the game play "gun based", not nade based\spam based...+It would increase the tactic\strategic level of the game to much higher standards, giving you a more challenging yet fun game, and it wouldn't become too hard to play, with tons of nades hitting you whenever you get out from under polys...
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2009, 06:34:56 am »
It would make nades more tactical, I guess.  More precious, so people start using nades for what nades are meant to do - stop people from accelerating up slopes etc.  Instead of spamming them directly at enemies so much.  Good point about the stronger weapon balance STM.
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2009, 12:01:52 pm »
>:( I love my nades, don't touch them. having more nades makes it more offensive, if it was all gun based, capping would be harder.

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2009, 12:16:14 pm »
>:( I love my nades, don't touch them. having more nades makes it more offensive, if it was all gun based, capping would be harder.

More offensive yet more random\chaotic\boring...
Spam would be an issue...
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2009, 12:49:10 pm »
Why would capping be harder? it's the same for both theams, lol
I imagined it's an unpolular decicion because, as you say, people love nades.
But really, you will love your nades more when you have to think more for each time you throw them.
besides, you can get a pack of nades any time.
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2009, 03:52:58 pm »
Why would capping be harder? it's the same for both theams, lol
I imagined it's an unpolular decicion because, as you say, people love nades.
But really, you will love your nades more when you have to think more for each time you throw them.
besides, you can get a pack of nades any time.
Nades are located in the front and the rear *using bold bodylanguage*

really, to get a cap, you need to nade the defense, without nades you're fucked.

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2009, 04:29:04 pm »
Why would capping be harder? it's the same for both theams, lol
I imagined it's an unpolular decicion because, as you say, people love nades.
But really, you will love your nades more when you have to think more for each time you throw them.
besides, you can get a pack of nades any time.
Nades are located in the front and the rear *using bold bodylanguage*

really, to get a cap, you need to nade the defense, without nades you're fucked.
so you have 2 nades to do that, and the opponent too. jeez. Is that the best you can come up with? So you'r saying no 3rd nade, no caps? haha, ther's not even a slightest connection.
You can grab nadepacks in their base or anywhere, that's just stupuid
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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2009, 04:32:44 pm »
2 nades is too little >.> you thorw about 1 in middle, then you would only 1 nade when you're in their base. and if you would only use 1 nade there, you can't boost because you're missing 1 nade.

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2009, 04:39:10 pm »
2 nades is too little >.> you thorw about 1 in middle, then you would only 1 nade when you're in their base. and if you would only use 1 nade there, you can't boost because you're missing 1 nade.
So you have to choose more, and think about where you use your nades, that's the point!

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2009, 05:43:08 pm »
In SRL/realistic ctf at our level only 2 nades are used as standard as opposed to sctfl's 3. Get bloody vX in there if you like it that way.

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Re: Granades -1?
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2009, 08:42:07 pm »
evil homer is no longer in vX