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Soldat Talk => General Discussions => Topic started by: FliesLikeABrick on April 22, 2007, 01:11:55 am
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Update:
I just spoke to MM. 1.4 will be released 30 minutes earlier than planned via torrent. The normal direct links will all show up at the planned time.
Please read what I said carefully. 1.4 is being released early to people willing to use the torrent. The official download mirrors with direct downloads will be made available at the time that is planned for release.
The reason I point that out is so that people don't complain "it isn't fair to make the direct links show up 30 minutes late" because they won't. The direct links will be on-time and the torrent link will be up early.
I mention this so you can install a torrent client if you're planning to get it early ;)
Clients:
uTorrent: http://www.utorrent.com/
azureus: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
many others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_client
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If Soldat 1.4 was being distributed via torrent, would you use the torrent? I'm looking for honest numbers so that I can gauge the usefulness of setting up a torrent for the 1.4 release, when that day comes.
Here are some reasons to use a torrent:
- It is much nicer to the people who host download mirrors for Soldat, especially at release times
- You will likely get faster download speeds from a torrent than from peoples' mirrors, just because there are so many people downloading
- Using a Soldat torrent would help put Soldat on lists of popular torrents on the sites it is listed on, thus giving Soldat free advertising
- Torrents are overall a very good way of distributing files to large numbers of people.
Again, please answer this honestly. If enough people say that they would use it, I'll put up a torrent when 1.4 is released.
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I would, that's for sure.
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Honestly ? If I have a direct link and a torrent I would click on direct link first.
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I would, that's for sure.
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Honestly ? If I have a direct link and a torrent I would click on direct link first.
im with you Leo, and whoops for error i click on ''Yes''
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I would, but more for the sake of seeding, because normally I'd pick a direct link over a torrent, unless the download is over around 50MB.
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I think using torrent to download a 12MB file is counter-productive.
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I understand that it may seem overkill, and I agree that normally a torrent for a 12MB file would definitely be overkill.. but when everyone around the world who plays Soldat is trying to upgrade to 1.4 within 24-36 hours of the release, a torrent would definitely help... a lot.
This poll is to find out what people would do during release times, not normal "I need to redownload Soldat" times.
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I wouldn't use a torrent for such a small file if I had a choice, but if I had to I wouldn't mind really.
I'd still keep a direct link on the site though. Wouldn't want to alienate anybody who wants to try Soldat but has no clue what a torrent is.
Edit: 400th post. This calls for celebration.
Nah.
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I would, that's for sure.
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Honestly ? If I have a direct link and a torrent I would click on direct link first.
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I would download it using a directly link first, but I'd be willing to use a torrent to help distribute it.
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I would rather use a direct link considering the small file size, but I really wouldn't mind if it was a torrent.
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Well, I prefer a direct download.
Direct downloads usually give me higher speeds than torrents. Also, my connection is only 3.4mbit down and 256kbit up (Belgium has the most expensive internet in the world, I think, even more expensive than South-Africa) so most of the direct links can handle the 3.4mbit upload speed.
However, if you decide to launch a torrent let me know and I'll permanently seed it.
Grtz, DePhille
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If I had to download the whole file, Yes. If I only needed to download a 1.3.1>1.4 patch, then no.
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Well I would surely use it especially now because the download speeds would be around 30 kbps or even less when everybody starts downloading. And what you said about those torrent sites, I think it would greatly benefit the soldat community and Michal himself (more registrations). I think that open office also has a torrent download, aswell as some other popular freeware programs and games.
EDIT: I think I won't be downloading the patch if there will be any cause I've seen people have problems with the patches before...
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i would use the torrent if it was realeased on one... i always download from torrents so it wouldnt be anything different.
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I would prefer a direct download (I'm sure everyone would) but have no problem with torrent either.
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I've never used a torrent... what do they do? :D
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I've never used a torrent...
same here
So: No
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I've never used a torrent... what do they do? :D
It's basically a peer to peer protocol that is heavily based on the belief that everybody shares the file they are downloading with others, even as they are downloading it; which doesn't put that much pressure onto the actual starting server.
Wikipedia's article on BitTorrent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent) can probably tell you more. :)
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Ive nevered used torrents, but i do know what they are. Still i just click the direct link ...
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I'd use the torrent cause I like to seed, and the more seeds mean the more possibility someone will stumble apon it. More players to own. I like to be considerate and seed torrents as well.
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If new SOLDAT will be distributed by torrent I will SEED it,
but imo better for torrent will be a pack soldat (soldat 1.4 + mapmaker , polyworks , interface maker,soldat admin,soldat dedicate server etc.)
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to download from torents you need a torrent thing liek bitcomet or utorrent... i dont really know the specifics but i never get viruses through them
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Yeah, torrents are good. I rarely use them, but still it's comfortable way to share files. Though I would directly download Soldat from Download.com or any other web site.
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I would just use the direct link, but if using torrent helps Soldat-community even little, of course I use torrent.
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It depends, if it's a big file size, I'll go for the torrent. If it's less than, let's say, 50 meg, I'd just use the direct link.
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Honestly ? If I have a direct link and a torrent I would click on direct link first.
yeah
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I've never used a torrent...
same here
So: No
lol ye should look into it...
It all depends how big the file is - if it's a measly small 12MB download then a Direct Link is the first choice... so I think you should've stated how big the d.l is.
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Seeing it beeing a rather small file, I would most likely use the direct link unless it was requested on the download page that torrents would be used due to the heavy load during release times.
I would seed the torrent as best I could tho since its soldat :)
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I strongly prefer direct downloads.
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The problem is, Torrent is slow as hell... :|
And direct links are ALWAYS better, imo.
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Maybe if every single mirror was completely maxed out and The torrent was my only option...
Then I would wait a few hours.
The file is so small even if a million people wanted to download soldat at the same time (which is doubtful even without factoring in timezones/when news gets around) they would all be done in a few hours. I have never firsthand seen a torent go above 25kbps, that being said I have only done a few torrents.
I think I won't be doing too much damage to our community by not getting some free advertizing by a bunch of movie pirates.
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'eh...there's really no difference in my opinion. Torrents are better anyway, especially if it would be for the release. Instead of looking around between different mirrors for the direct download, you just click the torrent and bam..away it goes. If you have a good torrent program that is..
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Perhaps when it is first released, provide the torrent link at the top of the downloads page, with a message urging you to use the torrent for the first couple days to a week after 1.4 is released, as not to kill the servers hosting Soldat.
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I got Azureus. It's a very good program but it's pretty advanced, so not something for someone who will be using Torrents for the first time.
Both direct links and torrents can max out my connection (425KB/sec downstream) but direct link will go to the maximum immediately while the torrent must contact the tracker and seeders first.
I really think it's a good idea to put Soldat online as a torrent, but I think that'll only be handy for making it more famous rather than supporting the direct link mirrors.
Grtz, DePhille
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Honestly ? If I have a direct link and a torrent I would click on direct link first.
It'd sure be easier to use a direct link, but if I could save others' precious bandwidth by taking an extra minute to torrent it, I'd do it.
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If my FTP wouldn't cut the connection, if I'm uploading s.th. I would host it.
I use Filezilla, can anyone tell me how to get a more stabilized connection?
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I would, but only because of the initial traffic loaded on a mirror by the sudden release. Normally I'll use a mirror every time.
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30 seconds or 29 seconds with extra hassle? I don't even have any torrent programs.
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Google Bitlord. It's as easy as it gets, just click on the link and the program recognizes the torrent automatically. No extra hassle, and you can even select what parts of a download you want to actually download.
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I'd recommend uTorrent (http://www.utorrent.com/) over Bitlord though... ;o
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Yeh utorrent is better IMO. Simple, good and no install ;D
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I've tried uTorrent, but, I think, BitComet (http://www.bitcomet.com/) is the best torrent software.
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Utorrent is the best, definately.
I have tried several different clients, and Utorrent was the best, no doubt.
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It depends, but my torrent download speeds are slow, so i prefer not to.
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I would, but only because of the initial traffic loaded on a mirror by the sudden release. Normally I'll use a mirror every time.
yeah, thats the point I made in one of my posts in the thread, but I don't think people read it
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It depends on how big the files going to be wether I would or not. I'd rather not because in a winRAR nerd xD, but I will if I have to.
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It depends on how big the files going to be wether I would or not. I'd rather not because in a winRAR nerd xD, but I will if I have to.
the files will be about the same size as they are now... but I'm talking about a torrent just for the release so that all of the servers hosting soldat downloads don't get hammered
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I would, that's for sure.
Yes. I definitely would. Please start a torrent when it is released.
(I always download large files like freeware FPS's and linux distro's via torrents. I would download Soldat too.)
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Bittorent is good for distributing large files, like video, CD/DVD images... Downloading tiny 10 mb files with bittorent is total masochism :o
However it would be good idea to inlude into torrent dedicated server with common scripts, various soldat utils, some additional maps and mods. Using torrent instead of search over numerous web pages and forums to download all that stuff would make since. Luckily BitTorrent allows users do download only selected files from single torrent. So people who need only soldat installer could save traffic.
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Bittorent is good for distributing large files, like video, CD/DVD images... Downloading tiny 10 mb files with bittorent is total masochism :o
However it would be good idea to inlude into torrent dedicated server with common scripts, various soldat utils, some additional maps and mods. Using torrent instead of search over numerous web pages and forums to download all that stuff would make since. Luckily BitTorrent allows users do download only selected files from single torrent. So people who need only soldat installer could save traffic.
you're all missing the point. I'm only talking about using the torrent for the initial release. There are going to be enough people downloading Soldat within a 3-day period that any server hosting the file is going to be very unhappy. Even 20% of people using a torrent instead of the direct download would help.
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I say Yes, but only if torrent will include some extra stuff.
And btw, which bittorrent trecker are you going to use?
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I would use direct link if it's avaliable no matter how big or small the file size is.
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I only started using torrents recently. I find it easier than a download link now.
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I've got everything set up to be able to supply a torrent when 1.4 is out. If you can stand waiting a few extra seconds to get 1.4, please consider using the torrent, it will save a lot of money and time for many people hosting 1.4.
The purpose of this thread was to satisfy my curiosity about who would use it and to make people aware that they could use a torrent to get 1.4.
Thanks for the replies ;)
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Now give us the linky ;)
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I set up torrents for 1.3.1 to test:
http://torrent.u13.net/soldat131.zip.torrent
http://torrent.u13.net:6969/
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Hm it somehow shows up as a .zip-file. But if you open it in utorrent it'll work..woa took me under a min ;)
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Hm it somehow shows up as a .zip-file. But if you open it in utorrent it'll work..woa took me under a min ;)
it "shows up as a zip file" because you don't have it showing extension for known file types... like if you have foobar.txt, it'll just show up as foobar. If you have soldat131.zip.torrent, it'll just show up as soldat131.zip
To change this, open an explorer window and go to tools-->folder options --> click on the view tab --> uncheck the box that says "Hide extensions for known file types"
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Maybe you're right but normaly it does show up as a .torrent file when i save torrents that have the same type of name. Now this http://blackdevil0742.sitesled.com/temp/soldat131.zip.torrent that i've altered comes as a .torrent file for me and it has the same name.
EDIT: Tried with the thing you mentioned (even if i don't like that option when saving stuff in MS Word) yet it comes as a .zip. Um yeah I had to stop seeding because the laptops that use wireless network at home stopped accessing internet.
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Direct link.
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I experienced the same thing with Firefox and my download manager recognizing the file as a zip archive. Changing the file extensions settings didn't change anything.
/me seeds it
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torrent is good. but people use it to release illegal stuff, which is baad!
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Alright, I figured out how to use torrents and everything just so that I could download Soldat and make it easier for the hoster.
Some thing's wrong with my port and I don't have the information to log into my account for my router. But it's ok... I'm downloading something using uTorrent right now and everything seems to be working fine.
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Alright, I figured out how to use torrents and everything just so that I could download Soldat and make it easier for the hoster.
Some thing's wrong with my port and I don't have the information to log into my account for my router. But it's ok... I'm downloading something using uTorrent right now and everything seems to be working fine.
yeah, you can still download things if you don't forward the ports, but they might be slower. If the health of the torrent is good, you won't necessarily notice a difference. In general, if you know how to forward ports, it'd be good to do that. It gets you faster speeds and it is good for the torrent's health
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I'd be pretty indifferent, the only difference between a torrent and a Direct Link is the fact that you have to have the torrent program on the computer previously. I'd seed it too.
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I don't care so much that people seed it, but make sure you download it using the torrent too ;)
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I'd actually use the torrent first: because it's download speed would actually be FASTER if more people downloaded by it- instead of a site crash from extreme bandwith overuse.
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I'd actually use the torrent first: because it's download speed would actually be FASTER if more people downloaded by it- instead of a site crash from extreme bandwith overuse.
'zactly
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Count me in as seeder too.
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I will seed Soldat 1.4 either, and at the same time I will release it on eMule p2p network (http://www.emule-project.net) (eDonkey network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDonkey_network)) too.
If someone has alternative direct link or Torrent (or other p2p network) it`s natural that he (or she) will chose direct link, so maybe it could be good idea if Soldat 1.4 would be released on Torrent way, for example one day before official release (on webhosts etc.), this could be strong motivation to use Torrent way for many people.
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I don't understand torrents so I'll use normal download :)
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if you think it would help i guess you could [though you need seeders and we all know seeding causes lag! ]
so dun expect any miracles
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if you think it would help i guess you could [though you need seeders and we all know seeding causes lag! ]
so dun expect any miracles
every torrent client can limit the upload. If you limit it to about half of what your connection can do uploading, you'll be fine.
I'll see what MM would think about maybe releasing 1.4 an hour earlier via torrents. That's a really good idea ;)
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I've never used a torrent, or know what it is. All I want is just a direct download. Don't make it too confusing please.
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I just spoke to MM. 1.4 will be released 30 minutes earlier than planned via torrent. The normal direct links will all show up at the planned time.
Please read what I said carefully. 1.4 is being released early to people willing to use the torrent. The official download mirrors with direct downloads will be made available at the time that is planned for release.
The reason I point that out is so that people don't complain "it isn't fair to make the direct links show up 30 minutes late" because they won't. The direct links will be on-time and the torrent link will be up early.
I mention this so you can install a torrent client if you're planning to get it early ;)
Clients:
uTorrent: http://www.utorrent.com/
azureus: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
many others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_client
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Just out of curiosity, will you log stats on how many use the torrent and how many dont? (yes I do care about stuff that doesnt matter..)
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I thought that with torrent you downloading files really slow... About 1 day?
Date Posted: April 26, 2007, 04:17:47 PM
I've never used a torrent, or know what it is. All I want is just a direct download. Don't make it too confusing please.
wow same as me, but I'll try to understand if it's better or not :p
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Torrents are really really slow... If your downloading a rarely seeded, really large file... Come on! in the first ten minutes alone, there will be like 300 seeders! It wont be that slow, maybe 5-10 KB/s slower than normal... but you'll still get it like 10 minutes earlier. Just do it! 10 minutes.. WOO!!! that's more time than i can get un-interupted anyway!!!
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Where I'll find this Soldat 1.4 torrent?
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Just out of curiosity, will you log stats on how many use the torrent and how many dont? (yes I do care about stuff that doesnt matter..)
yes, I will be
Where I'll find this Soldat 1.4 torrent?
It'll be posted with the news post about the release this weekend
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I thought that with torrent you downloading files really slow... About 1 day?
Date Posted: April 26, 2007, 04:17:47 PM
I've never used a torrent, or know what it is. All I want is just a direct download. Don't make it too confusing please.
wow same as me, but I'll try to understand if it's better or not :p
that is a common misconception, and was only partially true back when torrents were rarely used
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o well, i guess ill be getting my 1.4 30 min late. 30 min aint gonna kill me. Unless of course someone can give me 5 good reasons to use the torrent.
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o well, i guess ill be getting my 1.4 30 min late. 30 min aint gonna kill me. Unless of course someone can give me 5 good reasons to use the torrent.
1) It saves Michal money
2) It saves me and everyone else who hosts a mirror money
3) by downloading it with the torrent, you'd be helping out everyone else downloading it via the torrent
4) torrents motivate internet service providers to improve the quality of their network, especially when it is used for legal purposes like this
5) downloading it via torrent will be much faster than using a direct download link. Since MM has announced the release time, the direct download mirrors are going to be really, really busy as soon as the direct downloads are up. With torrents, everyone downloads faster if there are more people downloading and seeding.
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;D Go me, 100th vote: Total Votes: 100
w00t!
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Wow torrents sounds good :P
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if i was MM i wouldn't provide any direct link at all for the first week, maybe only for registered users (dont know how :P), because the game is FREE, and it's a great game so if torrents help to make it popular, that's it, TORRENTS IS THE WAY! soldat deserves to be very famous. YEAHH.
So the answer is yes.
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Sure, I'll use the torrent if it helps Flab, MM, and the rest of the Soldat community. :)
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I would, that's for sure.
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I'll use one. Good thing I recently got uTorrent :)
even though I can barely use the damned thing...
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C'mon, 30 minutes earlier? Doesn't sound like a very attractive reason to use the torrent instead of waiting a short 30 minutes for the direct download link which is probably gonna be faster than the torrent.
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C'mon, 30 minutes earlier? Doesn't sound like a very attractive reason to use the torrent instead of waiting a short 30 minutes for the direct download link which is probably gonna be faster than the torrent.
do what you'd like, I'm just asking nicely
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i would suggest like 6 hours difference - but then again I didnt' think about it as thoroughly as MM did nor am I much experienced in advertising or w.e...
They should make simple integrated torrent manager into your webbrowser - that way more people would use it...
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I totally understand the idea of the torrent thing, but I am just saying if you want to give some sort of a head start for people to download soldat thru torrents, 30 minutes just isnt enough IMO.
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I don't really see the problem. It will be 20, 30 megs tops. A torrent that small would take about 10 minutes with just 2 seeders, let alone the 300 that will ensue during it's release.
The good thing about torrents, they go faster the more people are downloading.
For someone using dsl, like I am, it will probably take less than 2 minutes.
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All I am saying is is that I think 30 minutes isn't catchy enough, that's all.
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i personally have real issues with download speeds on bittorrent. i have tryed port forwarding and many other things to try and get my download speeds up, but no matter how many thousands of seeds there are, i can rarely get over 5kB/s. When i download by direct link, its around 300kB/s. I am happy to download using torrent if it was the only way, but if direct link was there, there would have to be a big insentive to download with torrent.
ps. I like to download quite a few movies with torrent, and i have got about 15gbs, all downloaded with 5kB/s. Sometimes takes me 10 days with torrent left on to download a file XD
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Ok, I've downloaded uTorrent and I am looking forward for Soldat and its torrent! mm can't wait
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hey i tried downloading the current version of soldat from the torrent FliesLikeABrick posted, and as soon i went back to the torrent client it was completed. it was as fast as the direct link, really
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Honestly ? If I have a direct link and a torrent I would click on direct link first.
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I will seed on my super fast university internet! I've gone away from a torrent for a few hours before and came back to find I shared 10gB. I'm thinking a torrent is the best way to go.
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FOR THE SAKE OF THE WORLD. I would use a torrent, sure why not.
Lest we indulge in some 1.4 delciousness early.
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hey i tried downloading the current version of soldat from the torrent FliesLikeABrick posted, and as soon i went back to the torrent client it was completed. it was as fast as the direct link, really
where's it posted?
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hey i tried downloading the current version of soldat from the torrent FliesLikeABrick posted, and as soon i went back to the torrent client it was completed. it was as fast as the direct link, really
where's it posted?
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13230.msg150227#msg150227
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1) It saves Michal money
2) It saves me and everyone else who hosts a mirror money
3) by downloading it with the torrent, you'd be helping out everyone else downloading it via the torrent
4) torrents motivate internet service providers to improve the quality of their network, especially when it is used for legal purposes like this
5) downloading it via torrent will be much faster than using a direct download link. Since MM has announced the release time, the direct download mirrors are going to be really, really busy as soon as the direct downloads are up. With torrents, everyone downloads faster if there are more people downloading and seeding.
Good point...
Ill try it, but if it takes too long, then, im gonna change to mirror.
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http://torrent.u13.net/soldat131.zip.torrent
I downloaded this, opened, and it shows this:
(http://www.ukazto.com/img/Soldattorrentchyba.jpg) (http://www.ukazto.com/?img=Soldattorrentchyba.jpg)
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http://torrent.u13.net/soldat131.zip.torrent
I downloaded this, opened, and it shows this:
(http://www.ukazto.com/img/Soldattorrentchyba.jpg) (http://www.ukazto.com/?img=Soldattorrentchyba.jpg)
get a torrent client... don't try to open it as a zip file.
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OK thanks, now I've tried 1.3.1 and I'm ready to 1.4 :P
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Of course.
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hey i tried downloading the current version of soldat from the torrent FliesLikeABrick posted, and as soon i went back to the torrent client it was completed. it was as fast as the direct link, really
Yup, I downloaded the link FLAB posted and it was extremely fast.
Nothing to worry about to be honest.
I'll definitely use a torrent to download 1.4 as soon as it comes out =]
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uTorrent is looking forward for 1.4 lolz
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get a torrent client... don't try to open it as a zip file.
1. Opera has a torrent client built-in. Opera downloaded this file, because your server says it's a zip file not torrent.
2. Configure your server properly... torrent files should have application/x-bittorrent MIME type, not application/zip.
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1. Opera is a torrent client. He downloaded this file, because your server says it's a zip file not torrent.
2. Configure your server properly... torrent files should have application/x-bittorrent mime type, not application/zip.
Opera downloaded torrent file but it was shown as zip...
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Opera shouldn't download torrent file like a zip file. It wouldn't happen if the file had application/x-bittorrent MIME type. I hope FliesLikeABrick will fix his server configuration.
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If the torrent for 1.4 will appear as a .zip file and ppl get confused I can upload a "fixed" version if i'm not sleeping when it's released.
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Anyway Opera users can download the file and simply open the copy saved on your computer - it should start BitTorrent download.
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I'll download torrent which will be shown as zip. Then I'll turn uTorrent on and in uTorrent I'll choose Soldat torrent which is shown as .zip. Then I'll download it. There's no problem ;]