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Soldat Talk => General Discussions => Topic started by: Daimarus on April 29, 2007, 03:20:19 am
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What do you think about new bullet styles in Soldat 1.4?
I want to know, because every player I've met said something like that:
"There bullets suck...",
"Am I shooting rocks?!?",
"That looks like plasma rifle now, not MP5"
and the last one
"WTF?!? shining nades? Are they flares of what?"
By me, that's most ridicolous idea, to make bullets big and very visible...
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Yep, i don't like the big bullets either...
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Shouldn't there be a +2 option... :P
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I don't think so, because I haven't seen anyone (seena bout 50 ppl), that was very positive to that...
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I don't mind them. But some of them do look a little dumb.
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SPAS-12 pellets look like rocks [retard]
These trails (expecially for grenades) are AWFULL, because everyone can see them now :S Partial MOD will solve that, but only for the player that installed it...
That was a bad idea by me to make Soldat more complicated... 1.3.1 was so simple, that I played a lot, because of simplity. normal, readable text (not I have to change font), good bullets (small and less visible) and more.
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Hate them, even if they let me see where all the bullets are. They are too distracting and too big and yeah. They are also look way to stylish and crap. Hate them >:(
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I like the new grenades
But i don't like the new bullets.Yes, bigger bullets -> Bigger Acuracy, but for me they don't look realistic
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bullets are really dumb idea, but i don't mind
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Im only nervous from it. :)
It looks like star wars :(
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Well at the beginning i didnt mind.. But now i have modified the bullet files, height 1px.
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I actually rofled when I saw the deagle bullets. BIG n BRIGHT much?
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I think that they are good on some of the guns, Steyr and Minimi but the Barrett and ruger bullets are too thick IMO
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I really like them, you can see them better, "looks like starwars" is just whine and no argument.
Shouldn't there be a +2 option... :P
Yeah the poll is pretty damn one-sided...
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New bullets suck, nades, too.
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They look ridiculous. Mine are modded to 1.3.1 spec even though it's somewhat of a disadvantage.
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omg? New bullets and new nades look AWESOME.
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I dont like the new bullets to much either.
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It's like star wars. But it's great lol ;]
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For all those complaining: Change then back yourselves instead of starting a whine thread, sheez...
I wouldn't know how good they look, my 1.4 keeps crashing...
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The bullets remind me of Gunster...
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The bullets remind me of Gunster...
Must be traumatizing.
Well, thanks goodness, Gunster doesn't exist anymore.
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Every single bullet being a super tracer is stupid. I don't like it much so i voted for -1
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I like the new bullets, they make Soldat look more arcade-like.
By the way, if you don't like the bullets, go to your Soldat folder, Weapons-gfx, then make them thinner in MS paint (or whatever program you use to edit images).
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I prefer new bullets.
It helps playability.
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Yes, the new bullets are awful. We all agreed on that already.
You may thank Chakra for that. ;)
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13553.0
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poll says otherwise
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I don't like new bullets, they are too big for me. I'll prefer smaller, much smaller.
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I don't like new bullets, they are too big for me. I'll prefer smaller, much smaller.
Advertisement :D
I made something between old and new bullets:
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13650.new#new
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That considered spamming?
I love the new bullets! reminds me of the secondary pistol in halo 3.5 mod, which btw helped me alot. so i think its great to see where your actually firing, instead of just pointing and clicking.
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or it could be the most rediculously stupid looking fake tacked on attempt at an improvement I have ever seen in this game.
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I hate them - they look awful and they don't add anything to the game.
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They're funny and as someone has said, they're gay. I dont like them. Its not the most important thing in a game tho...
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Look at the poll!
I think the overall verdict is quite "nay."
They look so bad in the game.
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This is pathetic. In the time you spent b!tching on this thread you could have simply opened paint and actually changed them.
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Rofl stop whine and change bullets ;x
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Rofl stop whine and change bullets ;x
you don't quite get it, so I am going to explain this again.
New people are not going to change the bullets, nor will they try to find a download of changed bullets. they will just leave, that is a bad thing. You do not want to push off potential register-ers
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I like the new bullets, they make Soldat look more arcade-like.
Yup, same here. Though they can be a bit distracting. But I don't really mind, it's all good (and can be easily changed with mods)
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I think after a playing for a week you'll don't care about bullets, you'll see them as normal.
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I love how much more visible they are... I think everyone will warm up to them.
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I had been using 2px wide colored bullets back in 1.3.1, and these were just tier 2 sexiness. <3
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This poll is biased for the negatives. Personally I think the bullets look awful but at least make the poll proportionate.
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Didn't like em that much so I took the 1.3.1 version.
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crazymonkey, you're totally right... *applauds*
I love them, they're much easier to see now. I had fat bullets with the Enhanced and Evolved mods. :)
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I love these bullets, I was using them at 1.3.1 also :D
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I love the new grenades! They're awesome.
The bullets, though... A different story.
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I dont get why people hate the bullets, dont you want to see where you are shooting? One of the most important things in soldat is aim, and these new bullets certainly help improve that.
And for the new people coming into soldat, if the first thing they say is "DAMN! those bullets is u-g-l-y!, and fat!" and quit the game. then well, they got their own problems.
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The bullet's size is ok with me, it's just that if you're going to colour the bullets, dont make it so obvious. The bullets shouldn't be coloured in the first place, but if they're gonna be, less bright.
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May I point out it's impossible to revert the bullets to what they were/are in 1.3.1?
Changing the weapons-gfx does only half the job. Bullets are still brighter and a bit roundish. (still working on it though)
EDIT: this might be a PNG issue. I'll look into it...
Also I noticed that all the beta testers have the same and unique opinion about the new bullets.
I smell elitism. ;)
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May I point out it's impossible to revert the bullets to what they were/are in 1.3.1?
Changing the weapons-gfx does only half the job. Bullets are still brighter and a bit roundish. (still working on it though)
Its been done already. Partial Mod section.
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I have the 1.3.1 graphics in use and love it. These bullets are just stupid looking. Silly fat bullets and tracers on every shot belong in a mod -- not the de facto game standard. Might as well just made all the soldiers mechs and have players who don't like it change that as well.
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1.3.1 bullets was good. 1.4 is great. Nice change.
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1.3.1 bullets are in a package in the "Partial Mods" section. I know because I released it.
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That poll is "one-side-based", because THE WORST idea option, is the WORST thing in Soldat 1.4 option.
These bullets aren't the best thing in Soldat (hude community and gameplay is). They make you horribly visible, especially snipers.
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Rofl stop whine and change bullets ;x
you don't quite get it, so I am going to explain this again.
New people are not going to change the bullets, nor will they try to find a download of changed bullets. they will just leave, that is a bad thing. You do not want to push off potential register-ers
Aue contrairey.... take a look at this poll. What are people saying? They preferred 1.3.1, or they like it because they already had bullets that big. What does this tell you?
It should tell you the same thing thats been established about a lot of things in Soldat over the many new versions. People generally don't approve of sudden change. A newcomer to the game however won't have anything to compare it to, so they're likely to just....like it.
Guess we should ask those new to Soldat what they think of the game altogether now really, as all us experienced peeps have a past with the game's history and (don't argue - its the same every version for everyone) require readjustment and time to really get comfortable again.
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I really dont like the new bullets... if i want them to look like lazers or rocks then i would get a mod for it.
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i love em! but the deagles bullets look like crap though..
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WOW! Plasma rifles in forty watt range!
Available today!
Personally I like the new bullets but the colors might look funny on some guns, like the minigun and the mp5.
If those were made less blue, than that would be perfect. But on the other hand, I love energy based weapons.
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May I point out it's impossible to revert the bullets to what they were/are in 1.3.1?
Changing the weapons-gfx does only half the job. Bullets are still brighter and a bit roundish. (still working on it though)
Its been done already. Partial Mod section.
even if you change the bullets from 1.4 to 1.3.1 they are still colored, and so, it doesn't solve the problem... lol
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I used EVO mod whit a twist so i cant see a big difference..
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I think this will attract newcomers cause the new bullets are quite nicer looking compared to the old ones. Especially since most of the people care about the graphics.
Personally, I think this was MM's sadistic and cruel evil plan to get more registrations
*Evil laughter, fades away*
I just have one question tho:
Are the bullets graphics now centered or what?
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WOW! Plasma rifles in forty watt range!
:D
Now I feel geeky.
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I think this will attract newcomers cause the new bullets are quite nicer looking compared to the old ones. Especially since most of the people care about the graphics.
Not exacly. A lot of people are attracted to realistic mode (me for example). They don't fit the realistic mode, because it's supposed to be emulate reality in some extent. Dildo bullets and trailed grenade make it look like a stupid arcade game.
If I started playing now, I would be put off by them and I would return to playing Operation Flashpoint or Close Combat.
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i don't think they look bad, but to be fair i always mod my soldat to look futuristic so i suppose im a bit biased
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The bullets look like cartoonish small fireballs ore something like that..... i find them pretty amusing..... *comic ideah* :P
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Lol why there is no +2 as -2 ? :Q
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Somebody on eC Trenchwars said:
"They look like flying laser dildos"
And I agree. They're just shit.
And dont tell me to change them back, I already did that.
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"They look like flying laser dildos"
Hehe funny. My brother said they look like flying suppository... xD
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If I started playing now, I would be put off by them and I would return to playing Operation Flashpoint or Close Combat.
You do realize that most people that find Soldat on the internet are initially searching for a FREE and SMALL game, don't you?
If i was to find soldat i would be quite happy. And you are making exagerations.
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-"Bah, this game sucks!!"
-"Why's that?"
-"Have you looked at the bullets? I mean, the game engine is awsome and everything, but this shiny colorful bullets just screw everything up. I'm never touching this again!! I'm going back to close combat!"
-"Close combat has shiny green, yellow and red bullets. It kind of totally fucks up your argument..."
-"Shut up!"
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I like them, they remind me of Worms a bit. Which is good. I always wondered if soldat would benefit from one or two slightly cartoonish features. And it does.
So there.
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If I started playing now, I would be put off by them and I would return to playing Operation Flashpoint or Close Combat.
You do realize that most people that find Soldat on the internet are initially searching for a FREE and SMALL game, don't you?
If i was to find soldat i would be quite happy. And you are making exagerations.
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-"Bah, this game sucks!!"
-"Why's that?"
-"Have you looked at the bullets? I mean, the game engine is awsome and everything, but this shiny colorful bullets just screw everything up. I'm never touching this again!! I'm going back to close combat!"
-"Close combat has shiny green, yellow and red bullets. It kind of totally ****s up your argument..."
-"Shut up!"
Strawman argument - the debate is about the size of bullets, not about their colours. Also, you are forgetting about the important thing that is the atmosphere of the game. Small bullets make it more realistic visually and closer to real-war-themed action games than to pure arcade games.
I prefer playing Soldat to playing Laser Dildo Warrrior.
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Well, i just don't understand the argument of "older bullets were better because they were more realistic" in a game where you're suposed to fly around with jetpacks...
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Well, i just don't understand the argument of "older bullets were better because they were more realistic" in a game where you're suposed to fly around with jetpacks...
We are talking about graphical realism here. Besides that, Soldat has a fair bit of physical realism too - recoil, soldat's body with different hit-zones, damage calculated from both damage and bullet speed, etc.
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I c there r mor ppl with negative view on the new bullets...
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I think if only the bullets won't be...of different colors, like red, blue, orange and so on, all being white (maybe still with the render, but WHITE) it'll be all good. Anyway, I saw up that somebody already said that you could change the bullets for the ones from 1.3.1, buuut...the don't became more transparent with the distance. Damn it >.<
Anyway, between:
a) Play Soldat with laser bullets
and...
b) Don't play it
I just keep with a), no big deal
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Shouldn't there be a +2 option... :P
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I like these new bullets. I <3 this. I modded my weapon bullets like that before 1.4 was released ... maybe not so big but ...
Damn, if you don't like new bullets FFS DOWNLOAD 1.31 back and change them !
Is it so difficult ? Or edit them? ...
n/c ...
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OMFG this new bullets suck maybe i play star wars or what POWNED BY OBI-WAN
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Here is a proof that it seems we can't get back to 1.3.1 bullets.
For some odd reasons, 1.4 makes the bullets brighter.
I'm still trying to figure out how to make them exactly the same.
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Deagle bullets are awesome!
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They don't look good at all.
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Hello. I'm really quite new to Soldat, but I hope my views are still welcome.
I have been playing Soldat for a couple of weeks and I actually really like it and was about to register when I found out that version 1.4 was going to be released in a couple of days. I decided to hold off from registering until the new version was out because it seemed foolish to buy something that was only going to exist for another couple of days. And frankly, I didn't really care whether it was going to cost $9 or $14, it's still a very small amount, and I'm more than happy to support a game that's this good, and yet I don't have to pay for it.
I thought downloading and trying out v1.4 would just be a formality, unfortunately it wasn't quite what I expected (bug fixes, some new maps and maybe a couple of new features). I hadn't read anything about it before downloading and installing it.
Although I have experienced numerous problems with this new version (the lobby not working, small and/or malformed text, death console misalignment, wrong map version, etc.), I know lots of other people are also having these problems, and they're only teething troubles that will soon be rectified in a patch.
The main things that are bothering me are the graphical changes. The most important being the bullets. I can't really see why all the guns have become 6" calibre and fire 8' long, multi-coloured, fluorescent projectiles (or indeed, how). It really is a very strange modification, it also negatively impacts the game, in my opinion. When I first saw it, I'm not sure what I thought it looked like, other than simply wrong, but I have since seen people referring to them as "flying laser dildos" and balls of plasma or something similar. Whatever they look like, they don't look even remotely realistic and really jar with the rest of the game. A lot of people seem to be attacking this opinion as worthless, subjective and, ultimately, only temporary. Well I must say I really don't agree that I (or many others) will simply "get used to it" and purely because it "feels wrong for a lot of people that isn't an argument against it". Just because a feeling isn't tangible, measureable or even objective, doesn't mean it has no merit in an argument. I may not be able to put the feeling into numbers, or even, for that matter, words, but it is nonetheless real and potent. I wasn't attracted to Soldat (and I don't enjoy playing it) because I can be a purple alien with four arms, or a cyborg who battles equally outlandish creatures that need to be hit 25 times by a laser chaingun or struck by 3 missiles from a hand-held automatic rocket launcher to kill them, whilst everyone glides around at breakneck speed as if they are on ice-skates. I play it because it is at least based on reality, and I have to walk, run and jump to get where I want to go, along with liberal use of the jets, and where I (and everyone else) fire bullets from guns which we can at least imagine in reality, even if none of us have ever been anywhere near one, and which kill in a few hits (dependent upon whether they are hit in the feet or the head) and if I really want to fire a rocket (which will obviously kill someone), I have to brace myself and crouch down on the ground to do so. In this context, seeing scud missiles, or indeed, "flying laser dildos" firing from the weapons and people throwing Kryptonite grenades doesn't sit well with me at all.
All that assumes that it has no effect on gameplay, which it unfortunately does. Even with the real bullets, most of the time we saw them all, but occasionally, if you weren't concentrating properly, or it was a dark map, or you were killed particularly swiftly, or even if there was simply a lot of action on the screen, it was entirely possible to miss where bullets were, and more importantly, where they came from. A number of times I have been happily bounding homeward with the enemy flag, only to hear a shot ring out and see my lifeless body impact the ground. At which point I'm left thinking "Damn, he did that well. I must head back and repay him". He might even get me a second time, but eventually I'll find out where he was. I even think I might be getting the hang of where to hide and where to launch blitz attacks from, but with these new, enormous, brightly lit projectiles, there may as well have been a neon sign above the firer saying "Over here!". Now they can't use that point again, because I and everyone else saw them, and they know that I know about it, so I can't use it either. Another problem is with the grenades. I have trouble injuring people by actively throwing a grenade into them (I do it regularly, but nothing happens, I assume it's a lag-based problem), so I generally throw grenades onto the ground when I think someone is about to land or run across, and, hopefully, they will tread on it, and it works quite well (as long as they don't see me throw it, of course). I've even been caught out by the same trick occasionally, although usually if I hear someone throw a grenade closeby but don't see them thow it, I will stand still or jump into the air. However, this is all now moot because it is impossible to miss a grenade flying through the air with a bright tail that often remains once the grenade has landed, like a warning beacon.
I honestly can't see any merit in the new effects. Even if they only offend one or two people, surely that would be bad enough because I really can't imagine they'll actually attract anyone. And, they evidently offend a lot more than just one or two people.
I'm really not sure what to do now.
Thanks for reading, especially if you managed it all.
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I love them for some reason, but it does look a bit like a plasma gun or whatever.
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Hello. I'm really quite new to Soldat, but I hope my views are still welcome.
I have been playing Soldat for a couple of weeks and I actually really like it and was about to register when I found out that version 1.4 was going to be released in a couple of days. I decided to hold off from registering until the new version was out because it seemed foolish to buy something that was only going to exist for another couple of days. And frankly, I didn't really care whether it was going to cost $9 or $14, it's still a very small amount, and I'm more than happy to support a game that's this good, and yet I don't have to pay for it.
I thought downloading and trying out v1.4 would just be a formality, unfortunately it wasn't quite what I expected (bug fixes, some new maps and maybe a couple of new features). I hadn't read anything about it before downloading and installing it.
Although I have experienced numerous problems with this new version (the lobby not working, small and/or malformed text, death console misalignment, wrong map version, etc.), I know lots of other people are also having these problems, and they're only teething troubles that will soon be rectified in a patch.
The main things that are bothering me are the graphical changes. The most important being the bullets. I can't really see why all the guns have become 6" calibre and fire 8' long, multi-coloured, fluorescent projectiles (or indeed, how). It really is a very strange modification, it also negatively impacts the game, in my opinion. When I first saw it, I'm not sure what I thought it looked like, other than simply wrong, but I have since seen people referring to them as "flying laser dildos" and balls of plasma or something similar. Whatever they look like, they don't look even remotely realistic and really jar with the rest of the game. A lot of people seem to be attacking this opinion as worthless, subjective and, ultimately, only temporary. Well I must say I really don't agree that I (or many others) will simply "get used to it" and purely because it "feels wrong for a lot of people that isn't an argument against it". Just because a feeling isn't tangible, measureable or even objective, doesn't mean it has no merit in an argument. I may not be able to put the feeling into numbers, or even, for that matter, words, but it is nonetheless real and potent. I wasn't attracted to Soldat (and I don't enjoy playing it) because I can be a purple alien with four arms, or a cyborg who battles equally outlandish creatures that need to be hit 25 times by a laser chaingun or struck by 3 missiles from a hand-held automatic rocket launcher to kill them, whilst everyone glides around at breakneck speed as if they are on ice-skates. I play it because it is at least based on reality, and I have to walk, run and jump to get where I want to go, along with liberal use of the jets, and where I (and everyone else) fire bullets from guns which we can at least imagine in reality, even if none of us have ever been anywhere near one, and which kill in a few hits (dependent upon whether they are hit in the feet or the head) and if I really want to fire a rocket (which will obviously kill someone), I have to brace myself and crouch down on the ground to do so. In this context, seeing scud missiles, or indeed, "flying laser dildos" firing from the weapons and people throwing Kryptonite grenades doesn't sit well with me at all.
All that assumes that it has no effect on gameplay, which it unfortunately does. Even with the real bullets, most of the time we saw them all, but occasionally, if you weren't concentrating properly, or it was a dark map, or you were killed particularly swiftly, or even if there was simply a lot of action on the screen, it was entirely possible to miss where bullets were, and more importantly, where they came from. A number of times I have been happily bounding homeward with the enemy flag, only to hear a shot ring out and see my lifeless body impact the ground. At which point I'm left thinking "Damn, he did that well. I must head back and repay him". He might even get me a second time, but eventually I'll find out where he was. I even think I might be getting the hang of where to hide and where to launch blitz attacks from, but with these new, enormous, brightly lit projectiles, there may as well have been a neon sign above the firer saying "Over here!". Now they can't use that point again, because I and everyone else saw them, and they know that I know about it, so I can't use it either. Another problem is with the grenades. I have trouble injuring people by actively throwing a grenade into them (I do it regularly, but nothing happens, I assume it's a lag-based problem), so I generally throw grenades onto the ground when I think someone is about to land or run across, and, hopefully, they will tread on it, and it works quite well (as long as they don't see me throw it, of course). I've even been caught out by the same trick occasionally, although usually if I hear someone throw a grenade closeby but don't see them thow it, I will stand still or jump into the air. However, this is all now moot because it is impossible to miss a grenade flying through the air with a bright tail that often remains once the grenade has landed, like a warning beacon.
I honestly can't see any merit in the new effects. Even if they only offend one or two people, surely that would be bad enough because I really can't imagine they'll actually attract anyone. And, they evidently offend a lot more than just one or two people.
I'm really not sure what to do now.
Thanks for reading, especially if you managed it all.
i don't hate the new bullets, but i have to agree, no matter what mods you use, the enemies will be able to see your nades and bullets "like neo signs" (like cecil pointed out), and it does seem much easier for me to dodge around them.
of course, im sure there are the honest people who would change the bullets back with a mod and give themselves disadvantages, but i just don't think that all the players who play soldat needs to learn how to mod. honestly, i think only a minority of people know how to work with all the files in the folder, while most people would just play the game as what it is, a short break from life.
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I like the bigger bullets. It adds stragety to it; see a weak sub-machine gun wont fire the same calaber as the minimi will.
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The main thing that annoys me is that the grenades dont travel as far or as fast as on v1.3.1 In fact they are probably ten times less affective against enemies as on v1.3.1
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It's called nerfing. Let's face it, having up to 5 instant-kill shots at a time is plain unfair.
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Here is a proof that it seems we can't get back to 1.3.1 bullets.
For some odd reasons, 1.4 makes the bullets brighter.
I'm still trying to figure out how to make them exactly the same.
I would love you for that -- or I would even try to
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I think they're a little to big. I've considered getting the mod to change them back to 1.3.1 bullets.
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I used the mod and changed them back.
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These new bullets are suck ass big time. They're looking like plasma or something. The nades are lethal fireworks? Or WTF?
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i used the 1.3.1 bullets too
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I never quite noticed at first. They look nice to me though, a bit like tracers.