Hmm ...s'pose it's up to me to clear things up here a little eh. (sigh) ...this'll take a while.
If your from fractured, then all of a sudden, you hate these forums. Some people might even start judging me right now, because of my sig. It's true that fracs was made to be an alternate to the mainstream, but that doesn't mean everyone there is a turd who hates everything not fractured. Fracs is not a cult, it is a close knit community that loves soldat with a passion.
Hell i'm sure plenty know that. If anything I envy Fraggle Rock (fractured) sometimes... small tight community with familiar faces always around to play a quick game with. Bit like the old days with the Forums, when Soldat was a helluva lot smaller. Still, like one bad member in a good clan disgracing the clan's name, theres a few peeps in Fraggle that 'speak out' from time to time. Over the years I've seen plenty of hate for SF, euros, Michal, beta team, enesce, etc...
Sure, that don't mean all of you have the same opinions, but after a while, things fall into generalisation.
Take the SF forums as an example.... SF Forums: home to noobs, is the general consensus, the word on the street. Yet here boasts some of the oldiest players in the community, and those that can help with their experience on numerous issues for the new players that find their way here.
Chibi lost alot of money each month to keep his services afloat. He didn't have to do this, he wanted to, to help the soldat community. Even when he had surgery, three times, he continued to support us with his services, even though he couldn't afford it. I mean, who does that? That takes dedication.
Yep, takes dedication alright. Theres a lot of people in Soldat that have dedicated far more than they should to the game for the better of others with equal hardship and cash going down the drain. Why do they do it? Hopefully because they want to, they enjoy it as a hobby, and feel it's needed.
I have yet to have the chance to get to know enesce and know his personality, but from what ive seen so far, he is not he most mature person, and really doesn't handle certain situations the way a developer should.
Yep, Enesce is a total wanker. Bit like me really. Still, it's no secret that the people who know me 'appreciate' me and my 'amusing' character and other inputs, and the same goes for Enesce. Still, just because someone is helping another guy develop his game doesn't mean he has to alter his dialogue with others. Also, take note that he's Enesce... he's taken a lot of flak from people almost constantly, and through all that he's just gone on and continued helping regardless. If I took that much crap from people daily, I think i'd be a little defensive and hostile on a reflex too.
Why do people flame each other? It baffles me how things can go so far. Fractured soldat is a community that doesn't deserve the insults that hit it constantly. The people there are not just "a bunch of assholes". They are some of the best, and most loving people you will ever meet in the game of soldat.
Yep, sad but true. You 'do' have a lot of assholes...but, alas, so does everywhere, this place included. But like I said elsewhere or earlier, there are some parts of a community that generalises the whole for some reason. Soldat Forums... full of noobs. Soldat Gather... full of lippy euros. Why is it like that? It just is. You take the good with the bad son, and you do what you do for 'your' community because you damn well want to.
If I turned on my computer one day to see Bricks putting some emo flash about u13 being dead and he's cutting off all servers 'cos ... I dunno ...Enesce said his mum looked a bit funny... after I stopped laughing at him, i'd slap him on the ear and tell him to get his damn act straight and then begin to question if his romantic life has taken a turn for the worse. 'Cos that just ain't normal.
People insult and disrespect each other all the time. Who cares? The voiceless many who appreciate your efforts, not those outside that couldn't give a **** about you. Screw them and screw us. Every single community, project and insignificant part of Soldat has a bucket load of horse thrown at it weekly. Regardless, the powers that be just carry on doing what they do, like Bricks, Enesce, Michal, the selfkill crew, realsol, gather, beta testers, aussoldat, the turks, russians, brazilians...they all have their own **** to deal with, take tonnes of flak, but god dammit...they carry on because those things just don't matter.
Which is why Chibi's flash was really funny....I know, I know... maybe it's just us brits appreciate black comedy more, and I don't mean Eddy Murphy.
Chakra, to clear things up, Chibi has had a total of two accounts here, and neither has been banned to his knowledge.
You know Fractured started a few years ago 'cos him and a few friends got banned from this place by DNA Styx for acting far worse and immature than i've ever stooped? How does making yet another forum help bring the community together?...
...are you sure you're experienced with Fractured? Last I checked the majority of your communal opinion was along the lines of, F**k the beta team, Bricks can go fist himself, Michal is an idiot, the Forums are lame, Soldat sucks, U13 is ****, Enesce hacks and is still evil despite no proof and having spent far too much time on the server for us, etc etc...
That wasn't the reason why fracs was made, Chibi has never spoken to styx, and he was never banned. It was made to give people an alternative to the dominant soldat entities who didn't enjoy limited options. There was a league planned, which wasn't what the Fractured League was, it was something else. But it never happened. And please don't stereotype the community. To get the opinions of individuals who frequent fracs, you can post there asking for it if you want to.
Yeah, my mistake there. As n00bface illustrated on your forums, I really... really.. have a questionable memory. I am sure however, to a degree, that when fraggle first started out, that a handful of the banned members from here migrated over there. You can understand how it could initially be considered from the outside as a bit of a refuge for the disgarded and annoying rejects at the time.
The reason clan players are in communities like fractured/Sctfl/tnl and not soldat forums is rather simple, fractured/sctfl/tnl are exclusive communities for clan players, and so they dont have to deal with the noobs/newbs/people-who-dont-even-play-soldat which infest this forum. Me personally, I dont come here too often due to other reasons also, stated below.
I'm pretty sure people who come here 'play' Soldat. If you wanna discern between the more hardcore and the casual, theres no arguement there. I've always considered SF as being more a place for newcomers to get better educated on the game, seeing as the clanning community has become pretty self-sufficient for itself, with IRC, gather, and so on. There is a few communities here to speak of, but I can't say i'm really part of any of them. Mappers, lounge, modders, they're all in their own little worlds.
Now in terms of which forum is better,
...whoah there sonny jim. This ain't a competition!
Now, about what enesce said. Well, being a developer of the game, he should know better than to say someones services "Are garbage".
Just because he helps a guy out with his game doesn't mean he's gotta start wearing a tie man. People are gonna speak their minds in all manners of ways, whether right or wrong. And if Chibi wants to take his servers down 'cos his feelings got hurt? ..I can't help it, I find it funny. But, I see he's doing the right thing now. Maybe out of anger, but that don't matter. All he has to remember, and all any of us have to too, is that we're here for one reason. Enjoying the game with our friends.
...and Poop...you're just getting down right paranoid. It wouldn't suprise me if you're wearing a tin foil hat right now and have the 'I BELIEVE' poster as your desktop image.