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Soldat Talk => Game Improvements / Suggestions => Topic started by: adadqgg on June 29, 2007, 01:05:55 pm
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heres a good idea: make minigun's startup time 0 and make it shoot faster the longer u hold the trigger( maybe starts at twice the firing interval and gradually decrese to regular interval).
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erm...
I think this belongs in weapon balance.
Not a good idea anyway.
F11.
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The minigun got a good balance in the latest version... it will get no better than it is right now.
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Unrealistic and without sense. The miniguns speed is good as it's right now. The only thing it lacks is the accuracy.
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Anything to lower the tremendous startup time would be nice. I dunno about this tho :s
Accuracy is what it lacks. The weapon doesn't overbink into the sky if you go prone or crouch, but who the fuck has time for that?
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a minigun has spinning barrels, when it starts it will be pretty slow but the speed will gradually climb up.
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I think the wind-up is better. Say, it will still have a 50 tick delay before it hits top RPM but it will start firing as soon as you hit the trigger, like... Choom... ...choom...choom...choom..choom-choom-choom-choomchoomchoomchoomchoo---chwhhrrrrrr, ya know?
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as you say, .·: êšþãÐøñ :·. F12
but even then the startup shouldn't be too long to, you know, reach top RPM before the clip ends... ::)
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50 ticks is slightly less than a second, even though it feels like an eternity. ;D (60 ticks = 1 second)
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The wind-up is quite a nice idea I think.
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The minigun is fine in this version.
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I think the wind-up is better. Say, it will still have a 50 tick delay before it hits top RPM but it will start firing as soon as you hit the trigger, like... Choom... ...choom...choom...choom..choom-choom-choom-choomchoomchoomchoomchoo---chwhhrrrrrr, ya know?
thats what I was talking about(although I didnt explain it well enough).
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it's fine - except for a slightly shorter startup time (.75 seconds?).
it should also have a much lower self bink so that it doesn't lose accuracy TOO fast...
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And if you let it go, it should slow back down at the same rate, so you could burst fire without having to charge up again.
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I support the wind up version of it. ;D
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heres a good idea
No, it isn't.
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Minigun + 1.4.1 = as good as it gets.
Any questions?
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You can't ever say "something is as good as it will ever get" because with time, there will always be something to top it.
I suggest this: During crouch or prone, moving the minigun becomes harder -- both for recoil but also for the player. In essence, this stabilizes the minigun but also makes it more vulnerable. It will wind up and bink at a lower rate than right now, but the wind-down will be the same as right now in order to keep it balanced. While Crouched or Prone, the push-back recoil will be eliminated, but while standing, movements will be slowed somewhat and recoil can drive the minigun out of control rather easily. What I'm trying to get to here is emphasizing the minigun's role as a defensive weapon rather than an assault weapon. It sounds like a lot but I don't really think it is a lot of coding...
I just think the minigun is still used as an offensive weapon a lot [like hovering/minigun surfing]. People need to use some form of defense other than boring old Barretting.
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You can't ever say "something is as good as it will ever get" because with time, there will always be something to top it.
I suggest this: During crouch or prone, moving the minigun becomes harder -- both for recoil but also for the player. In essence, this stabilizes the minigun but also makes it more vulnerable. It will wind up and bink at a lower rate than right now, but the wind-down will be the same as right now in order to keep it balanced. While Crouched or Prone, the push-back recoil will be eliminated, but while standing, movements will be slowed somewhat and recoil can drive the minigun out of control rather easily. What I'm trying to get to here is emphasizing the minigun's role as a defensive weapon rather than an assault weapon. It sounds like a lot but I don't really think it is a lot of coding...
I just think the minigun is still used as an offensive weapon a lot. People need to use some form of defense other than boring old Barretting.
But isn't that alternative weapon settings?
The rules say that is NO NO.
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It's not an alternate setting, I think it would be more of a weapon intrinsic, like the Barrett's scope.
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a minigun has spinning barrels, when it starts it will be pretty slow but the speed will gradually climb up.
... If a minigun (or any multiple rotating barreled weapon for that matter) started firing before it reached full speed, it would damage the gun. The gun always spins up to full speed, then starts firing.
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The windup thing sounds nice but maybe too nice? It's a helluva buff.
Haven't tried it online though :P Could be nice.
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... If a minigun (or any multiple rotating barreled weapon for that matter) started firing before it reached full speed, it would damage the gun. The gun always spins up to full speed, then starts firing.
Ah, sorry, I remembered about that -- you're right. A gatling gun has to spin up to its maximum RPM before it can start firing. Meh, so much for that idea lol.
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Yeah, but something that should have been implemented a while ago is that when you've gotten it fully charged, and let go of the button, instead of having to charge it all the way up again if should slowly lost it's spin, so that if you lets go for a split second to lower bink you should only have to charge it for a split second, because the gun would still be spinning, instead of coming to a complete halt like it does now.
And no, that wouldn't be too much of a buff, seeing as the minigun is still a total P.O.S...
Plus it's more realistic.
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There's a good idea. The spin down is more realistic than the sudden stopping. I like it. Too bad the Minigun's gonna be used like a frigging anti-grav pack even more then.
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Brothers! The Minigun is SO unrealistic even now, that it doesn't matter if changes are realistic or not! Whole Soldat is as unrealistic as it can be! Nfsjunkie91, you almost killed me. Damn it, give me ONE thing in Soldat that is realistic!
I like the first idea as I said before. We have to officially pimp the minigun. Playing with it gives a lot of fun, but i can't win...
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It's just an annoying weapon that everyone loves but hates at the same time. Maybe we should just keep it like it is, but enable some modding options for it.
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How 'bout we use my idea, keep it THAT way, and make modding options? ;D
Seriously, love OR hate, that fact remains that the weapon's a total piece of crap combat-wise right now. There's only one way to use it because if you want to burst fire for less bink, guess what. You're screwed.
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Pretty good idea, that. You'd need a new sound for the cool down of the Minigun, though, so you know how far it's slowed down.
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Play the startup backwards XD
I like my idea of stiffening minigun aim during crouch or prone over all of yous ideas ( ;) )!
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Brothers! The Minigun is SO unrealistic even now, that it doesn't matter if changes are realistic or not! Whole Soldat is as unrealistic as it can be! Nfsjunkie91, you almost killed me. Damn it, give me ONE thing in Soldat that is realistic!
I like the first idea as I said before. We have to officially pimp the minigun. Playing with it gives a lot of fun, but i can't win...
Gravity.
Also, the guy who suggested it said that real miniguns do that, while they do not. I was pointing that out.
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I think the wind-up is better. Say, it will still have a 50 tick delay before it hits top RPM but it will start firing as soon as you hit the trigger, like... Choom... ...choom...choom...choom..choom-choom-choom-choomchoomchoomchoomchoo---chwhhrrrrrr, ya know?
thats what I was talking about(although I didnt explain it well enough).
yes a minigun has a spinning barrel but if u hear the sound it shows the minigun barrel warming up getting speed( if u think about it) and it shoots! whats with that
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Oh, I see Nfsjunkie91. That makes more sense.
So, if that idea didn't convince everybody, maybe something different will do. I have two ideas:
1. make the start-up really long, but only once a death. start up at spawn and waste a lot of time, but after that it's always ready to shoot. (till end of clip, death or change weapons)
2. Pressing "fire" key will spin the barrels, but when you stop pressing they don't stop instantly, but keep slowing slowly. so, with skill one can make them spin with speed almost enough to fire bullets, and start shooting whenever he needs.
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I think this belongs in weapon balance.
Not a good idea anyway.
F11.
Agreed I say F11
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Not really weapon balance, as that deals with .ini settings, and there's no way you could realistically get rid of what a total craphouse the minigun is there without drastically changing the balance.
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I think the minigun is fine, all I would like is more ammunition, but you can already edit ammo in the weaps config thing, so I'm happy
F11
Date Posted: July 02, 2007, 01:42:31 PM
and it ticks people off when you body switch with them in hexer :P that's also what the socom is for ;)
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I was actually play testing the minigun today. I must say it's a very good weapon for close-quarters, of all things. Sure the Spas is more intuitive but the minigun's quite effective now.