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Soldat Talk => General Discussions => Topic started by: The Specialist on August 19, 2007, 01:50:35 pm

Title: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: The Specialist on August 19, 2007, 01:50:35 pm
Based on how the community acts on the Hold the Flag gamemode has come to me to write this long statement and what I have to say about it.

What is Hold the Flag?

Hold the Flag is an official gamemode which currently is almost as unpopular as Pointmatch.  It is a fun gamemode that I think is enjoyable but people and mainly beta testers and MM have portrayed it wrong.

What is the objective of this game?

Based on what Keron Cyst said

"It is a team-based version of Pointmatch".

I agree with him, that's exactly what it is.  But I always like to think it as a one-way Capture the Flag with the chaos of deathmatch.  The gamemode has enough balance that infiltration has as well as Capture the Flag.

Who in the community plays this Gamemode?

Currently I think only Keron Cyst, Me, and some hand full of other people play it.
The list should be a lot larger.

Why do the people who play it, play it?

Because we know what real game-play is and how to have fun.  Anyone who loves deathmatch or chaotic or fast-paced game-play will love this gamemode.

Why don't people enjoy this gamemode?

Probably because it was given a horrible first impression and it sounds boring.  Hold the Flag?  That sounds lame.  The title of the gamemode really is what it is but it is a lot more interesting than what it really sounds like.  But what mostly doesn't make people play this mode is probably the maps.  htf_Mare by Demonic when 1.3 was released along with Hold the Flag was the worst map to portray the gamemode, although the map itself isn't too bad.  He's made better.  The maps cannot be made with one-way standoffs and makes the gamemode so boring so quickly which how it probably made it unpopular.  With the new implantation of the new maps, I think it greatly shows what Hold the Flag should be like. 

How can Hold the Flag be Improved?

Having more servers be in the lobby and not always being empty.  Which is a reason why I rarely have a chance to play it and mostly by changing the maps because most of them I don't like them because they look terrible and have horrible game-play.  Having this gamemode a better impression and be shown what it show truly be like, take htf_SuperPants for example.  Probably one of the best Hold the Flag maps I've ever seen.  Not just in appearance but in game-play.  If we had more Hold the Flag maps like this made official, it would change how people think and play Hold the Flag.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Carlitos on August 19, 2007, 01:55:12 pm
i dont play HTF cause the servers are EMPTY
When the game mode came with 1.3 i still played it online like 6 times but it rapidly lose popularity
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: truup on August 19, 2007, 02:01:51 pm
i dont play HTF cause the servers are EMPTY
I'm having a WIIILD guess that this topic was made to get more people there.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Carlitos on August 19, 2007, 03:16:03 pm

I'm having a WIIILD guess that this topic was made to get more people there.

ya me to, buts its been SO long since i see like a 1 in players in those 2 servers
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Graham on August 19, 2007, 03:18:40 pm
I love HTF to no end. The maps in the forum htf server now have a better feel to them, no more huge open aired maps.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Krypt_ on August 19, 2007, 03:28:48 pm
  Anyone who loves deathmatch or chaotic or fast-paced game-play will love this gamemode.

Totally in agreement. This game-mode is by far my favorite because mixed with a good map the addictive fast-paced gameplay and friendly rivalry gets into your head and you become enthralled. The tighter and more cramped the htf map, the more "deathmap-like" action you get and feel. It no longer is about hiding behind an obstacle when you don't hold the flag, it's just pure revenge to get it.

I feel like playing htf now...:D
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Leo on August 19, 2007, 03:55:08 pm
A few players that like the mod are not enough to keep a server up and running. Personally I have tried a HTF server 2-3 times and it was always empty. So I never tried again.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Graham on August 19, 2007, 04:05:24 pm
A few players that like the mod are not enough to keep a server up and running. Personally I have tried a HTF server 2-3 times and it was always empty. So I never tried again.
Best thing to do is go in with a few people, play with 2 or 3 people for a bit and most likely other people will join. Thats just how HTF has been for a while now.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Zero on August 19, 2007, 04:35:10 pm
I waited in a Htf server for about 15 mins and nobody came  :'(
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Keron Cyst on August 19, 2007, 04:56:25 pm
Hold the Flag is the greatest gamemode ever made, but no one understood it at first and its unpopularity has carried over even when it gained more appropriate maps over the versions since it was made. Too bad...
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Essentle on August 19, 2007, 05:06:18 pm
I have always thought the HTF to be a very fun gamemode, so yeah what I think about it hasn't changed since I think exactly the same way as you.

I'd like to play it more.
The best way would be to just gather a few of your buddies and go on a HTF server and other people would probably join soon.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: xtishereb on August 19, 2007, 06:45:51 pm
During a recent clan gather last week, we had some epic HTF matches. In a 4-on-4 match, the final scores were like 55-60. A 2-on-2 HTF on htf_Prison was absolutely awesome. It constantly felt rushed as you tried to escape the enemy without getting flanked or running out of jet power or dying. The final score was 60-52 or so, with the winning team making an insane comeback from 21-43. That map was great, lots of places to run to and have people pop out from. Even though me and my teammate didn't talk much, we somehow got this unspoken bond as one would chase as the other flanked. All I can say is, when you get a bunch of great people together playing a great mode, legendary things happen.
My only complaint is that htf_Rubik is too biased towards M79s.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: jbigz on August 20, 2007, 02:54:04 am
HTF has always been my favorite game mode. My friend and I always try to find a HTF server with people in it, but are usually not successful. Plus, if we do, we usually beat them really bad and they leave next round :/ I'm not bragging, but I'm also trying to get you guys in those servers xJ
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: mozzer on August 20, 2007, 04:39:37 am
Maybe we should arrange a match on the forum server and maybe some Pointmatch's also :)
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: NinjaGimp369 on August 20, 2007, 10:01:57 am
I love HTF to no end. The maps in the forum htf server now have a better feel to them, no more huge open aired maps.

I love my htf, but servers are always empty. I also lag like a mofo on the forum servers. As The Specialist said, it would be a good solution to hold more htf servers in the lobby. It would attract players if other servers are taken up.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: a-4-year-old on August 20, 2007, 12:06:01 pm
HTF was really boring when I played it.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: s.donahue on August 20, 2007, 12:13:49 pm
Schedule some kind of weekly game or daily game, get some tournaments going, do a USA vs. Canada HTF. Get people's attention and give them a chance to play with other people.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Carlitos on August 20, 2007, 12:14:57 pm
some kind of event or something...
seems like playing HTF is only against bots for me and all ppl
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: moomoo on August 20, 2007, 12:41:56 pm
i like htf, but i dont see any htf servers in my lobby :o and when i do its like 0 ppl.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: LtKillroy on August 20, 2007, 01:34:49 pm
I have tried HTF when if first came out and there were actually servers, and I didn't like it becuase everyone there wasn't too good. I tried to give it another chance a couple weeks later, but there weren't any servers. I tried to find more servers, but there are never any. I wanna try it, no servers, so no.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: .Long-Range on August 20, 2007, 02:02:10 pm
I don't think I have ever played HTF with people before. I haven't seen a server with HTF before.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: GluLm on August 20, 2007, 02:03:17 pm
HTF is the only mode with flags that I actually play, when it's not DM.
Pity no one plays it indeed, same applies for rambo mode.
htf_futura was a neat map for a start...
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Carlitos on August 20, 2007, 02:16:02 pm
hey i played in soldatforums server like now, with 3 players... but we need more!!!
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Graham on August 20, 2007, 06:23:36 pm
I fixed the quote made by Keron Cyst, I remembered it wrong.  :P

I've played on the forum's Hold the Flag server.  Chakra, Sticky, Gunpowder, Jazzy Joe, and several other people were there.  We had fun with 3 on 3 matches, I wouldn't mind playing there again soon.  ;)
Its called IRC best way to get games going... how do you think we started that game in the first place?
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: NinjaGimp369 on August 21, 2007, 02:59:22 am
Best thing to do is go in with a few people, play with 2 or 3 people for a bit and most likely other people will join. Thats just how HTF has been for a while now.

I tried this with another friend and the players just poured in, after I left for about 15 minutes to eat. When I came back to rejoin, the server was still full. Very surprising. :O
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Graham on August 21, 2007, 08:39:36 am
Best thing to do is go in with a few people, play with 2 or 3 people for a bit and most likely other people will join. Thats just how HTF has been for a while now.

I tried this with another friend and the players just poured in, after I left for about 15 minutes to eat. When I came back to rejoin, the server was still full. Very surprising. :O
Its not that people don't like the game its just that the servers aren't full with people when they join. Thats the only flaw of HTF now.
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Clow on August 21, 2007, 10:30:37 am
Hey i think htf is quite fun, i am actually going there right now hope to see some of u in there soon!
Title: Re: Hold the Flag Gamemode Philosophy
Post by: Tallacaps on August 21, 2007, 02:32:22 pm
I never can play HTF because of few and empty servers. It's my favorite mode.
My filter in soldat have a "not empty and not full".

And when I often check soldat forum's server is empty...

I would like a feature in Soldat to enter in a server and minimize soldat. When somebody enters I should get a popup message.
Being in a server for ten minutes waiting somebody to enter is quite stupid.