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Soldat Talk => General Discussions => Topic started by: Rai-Dei on April 19, 2008, 11:18:57 pm
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Intro
Most probably don't know me, but I've been around a bit, I decided to write a guide to my primary (boredness was the seed). Its going to be cluttered and illegible but I will try.
I'm going to try to make a structure somewhat like Aji's guide, but a tad different
Why The Desert Eagles?
There are many reasons why I use the Deagles exclusively:
1. No Bink or Movement Acc. This is probably one of the best advantages the Deagles have.
- No Movement accuracy and bink makes it possible to counter about any gun, provided you have the aim and know how to counter each one, which generally means moving like a spastic puppy and using the arc and angles to your advantage.
2. Flexible
- The Deagles are my favorite gun because of their flexibility, I have on every map, and every route. They don't really have downsides unless you use them like you would with a different gun. Deagles take their OWN style of playing, you cannot just play like you do with autos or one hitters. Style of play is very important to Deagles (hell look at the Deagles, none of them play like everyone else).
3. Speed and Power.
- The Deagles have amazing killing capabilities, 7 Shots, 2-3 shots to kill, and fire fast as hell at max speed. 2 Kills per clip is easy, even 3 kills are possible.
Now for the good stuff.
- Going over the reasons why they rock is one thing, but actually using them is different and here we go. (This is going to be a series of tips crappy guide right!?)
Aiming, Mouse Sense, and the Arc.
Aiming with the Deagles requires some time, one important thing to do is DO NOT overshoot and undershoot (Putting crosshair way in front of you or way too close.) Try to position your crosshair as close to your target as possible, with the eagles depending on range your crosshair should be slightly above their head. (Remember Do not use legshots!) And avoid spraying with the Deagles! I might just be biased to it, but I have never been able to provide useful spray. Remember to start off firing them slow, because if you fire too fast too early, you wont get any better. So fire slow until your aim gets good then gradually speed it up.
Mouse Sensitivity
Mouse sensitivity is one of the most debated topics among soldaters because no one can agree on one good sens range.
Mouse sensitivity is all about comfort, it also changes drastically depending on your mouse. At the moment I am using 95, I am enjoying but I've been everywhere from 30-200 (same mouse). I say keep it in the middle.
It also depends on how you use your mouse, if you move it slightly with your fingers: go high, if you use your wrist: go middle, and if you use your entire arm: go slow.
Mouse sensitivity doesn't change much at all just comfort.
The Arc!
- One of the greatest attributes to the Deagles, is the arc. It allows them to conquer every single gun. The arc allows for crazy angles without losing power like most guns. Allows for great Efc killing and amazing trickshots, You can rush and not have to worry about lining up your perfect shot.
- Aiming the arc is pretty easy after you get used to it, at long ranges the arc will be crazy, so putting your crosshair far above their head is perfectly fine. Just remember the Arc has some magical characteristics about it. They can do shots that most guns cannot do because they hit polys.
Tips!:
- Movement, Movement, and Movement! NEVER stop moving with the eagles, you can do amazing things.
- In the beginning, DO NOT fire fast, focus on aiming more than just firing fast. (Pretend every bullet is worth 500$ -Mancer is going to have my head on that one)
- The best angle for the Deagles, is slight above and diagonal to your target (Legshots are CRAP!), but if at all possible try to stay on the ground, as you have much more control over your soldat.
- As for secondarys, I recommend knife for rushers, the law for pure defers (just don't miss), and the Socom for floaters (I never saw a point to socom and eagles as the reload is short enough to not need it.)
How to counter each weapon!
1. Deagles.
- Countering yourself is not too hard, just try to get above them and aim/fire faster than them.
2. Autos:
- I'm going to skip all autos because the strategy is the same for all of them: try to move around all of their shots, or my method (Prone jet into their face and try to pull off extreme damage before their closerange bullets killzor you.
-Don't even sweat Autos most of the time if you have good aim, you can kill them faster than they can kill you. Just go for height advantage and try to headshot.
3. Spas:
- Keep your distance! After many 1v1 ons Seancapsyourass (Greatest spas ever) I learned to keep my distance and try to be above BUT NOT TOO CLOSE or they will rape you.
4. Barret and Ruger
Oh noes your worst enemys!
-Generally, due to the combat triangle a Deagle cannot do much to a Ruger/Barret, but if you move A LOT and use the arc to pull shots from over and around polys/colliders/teammates you should be fine. I also found that Barrets have a hard time killing you if you rush them. Trying to out range a Ruger or Barret is dumb, you have a better chance getting close to them.
5. M79
- Doesn't even need its own section, just don't rush it and stay out of its range, its very easy to counter.
New Section: Grenades!
- Grenades are possibly the most important weapon you have, in the past I was ignorant of them and it would cause me to be terribly inconstant. If you want to do well against ANYTHING use nades FIRST, you should be mixing Deagle fire with grenade throwing.
- Whenever you are rushing make sure you are ready to throw a nade at someone. If you use nades and Deagles in unison you will do amazingly well.
(I recommend changing your grenade key to something more accessible than E, I personally use S as my nade key (space for crouch) to avoid awkward finger movement to nade people. USE GRENADES A LOT)
Demos are at the bottom.
!! Remember I take all of your questions !!
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Pretty useful actually. I sometimes find myself using the deagles and pwning with them, this guide covered a lot of the skills necessary to master them. Good work Rai!
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Rai, do you weave when you fight rugers/barretts? I play realistic with the deagles, and I often found myself getting wrecked by the ruger because it's got that whole 1 shot 1 kill thing. I found that the deagles have the perfect fire rate for weaving. You can fire, prone, fire, stand back up again and fire without much aim loss if you time it right.
I also wouldn't use anything besides the law with the deagles. They lose a lot of power quickly as they reach they end of your screen, and you need a long range weapon to finish up, the deagles simply can't deal damage efficiently at a distance.
I agree with the part where you say that you should treat each deagle bullet with great care. It helps if you concentrate on landing hits rather than rolling out bulllets fast.
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Only thing I don't agree with is the sensitivity part, use whatever is most comfortable for you. I use 30-40 and there is no way
For Rugers most have a low mouse sens so keep close to them and move around them.
would EVER work, I can move it from one side of the screen to the other in a split second. Maybe your mouse is crazy slow Rai and that's why you use it so high but for me anything above 100 isn't smooth. It jitters around.
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@Phil Weaving = Worming (I think), I don't do it I just use crazy movement. Worming screws up my aim too much.
@Catman, Has nothing to do with my mouse, I used to use 30 sens with the same mouse, so rawr.
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Nice, I was going to post a message (or thread) regarding someone making one! Cause I recently started, and this guide HAS helped me to know what to learn to do (if that made sense).
Just a couple of questions: 1) When do you use secondary (besides reloading)?
2) When do you nade?
3) Do you do more damage if you're zooming at them?
I may come back with more =P,
So thanks again Rai-Dei.
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Hmm.. Good guide. I'm also using deagles currently - they're quite hard to use, but I know it'll pay off. I find versing autos the hardest, as they can just over-power you with their spray while I'm missing them alot and fiddling with reloading, etc.
Thanks for the tips though Rai-Dei!
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Just spray and pray. :P
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Very nicely done for the Guide on DEs =D I do have some comments:
Point 1:
My mouse sensitivity is 25, because for some reason my razor mouse's sensitivity is incredibly high. It is the same as 100 with a normal laser mouse that I had used. So, mouse sensitivity may depend on the mouse you use as well. And the player's preference of course.
Point 2:
Mmm, like most guns, DEs are best used in mid-air against opponents who are lower than you. I think the strategy to fight against the M79 is the same as all other weapons except that you cannot stay a long distance away due to its bullet speed and arc. So I guess you need to include the fact that DEs are more for close and mid-ranged combat.
I use the Socom as my secondary because:
1. Socom is similar to DEs, just faster (reload and firing rate) and shoot only one bullet at a time.
2. Sometimes, in some situations, I find that the reload speed of DEs are a bit too slow. Even 1 tick makes a difference.
3. The enemy is already very low on health, and maybe my DEs are low on ammo. Maybe my aim isn't that good, and if I miss this one shot, then I can't eliminate him because I need to wait another 23 ticks, and I lose out. So I might as well draw out my Socom right? I miss one shot, still not so bad, I can shoot a second shot within 12 ticks. This is especially the case if the enemy is far away as well.
4. Being one of the "floaters" I believe you are talking about, I like to stay in mid-air, especially since I find myself playing much better in mid-air and DEs are very powerful in mid-air, and I don't normally go too close. So LAW and Chainsaw are out of the picture. For Knife, my aim isn't good and I have no experience on it. So what choice do I have? Socom.
That is why I use the Socom with the DEs.
Point 3:
Oh ya, one more point to bring up for the DE-users and MP5-users out there. Being a MP5 user, I will share some of my thoughts when DEs fight against MP5. The MP5's arc (189) is VERY similar to that of the DEs' (190) and both have movement acc 1, so both the MP5 and DEs can take on the same situation. However...
1. MP5
A) Damage = 102 (probably 103 in 1.5)
B) Fireinterval = 6, Automatic
C) Self-bink = -11 (probably -9 in 1.5)
D) Reload: 105 + 6 = 111
2. DEs
A) Damage = 178 x 2 (probably 180 x 2 in 1.5, and the x 2 is because DEs fire two bullets at once)
B) Fireinterval = 23, Semi-Auto
C) NO BINK
D) Reload: 94 + 23 = 117 (in 1.5, the reload may be 90 + 23 = 113)
DEs can finish off an opponent quickly with perfect accuracy and missing is a big problem, but MP5 needs concentrated fire with some inacccuracy due to self-bink and is missing is not too big a problem, and this is basically what makes the MP5 and DEs so different. So some techniques when DEs are fighting against DEs may apply against DEs vs MP5.
For example, both MP5 and DEs are much better if you're in mid-air and you're above your opponent. However, they both aren't very effective when countering enemies ABOVE you because of low bullet speed. So the one who is above is usually the one who wins. This applies when DEs vs DEs.
When fighting against a MP5-user, DE-users should treat the MP5 a bit like a Spas in a way ; you never go too close to a MP5-user. If you do, you risk very heavy damage or even get killed, because the MP5 has such an incredible rate of fire, and by going too close, you're going to eat ALL the bullets. It's best to stay mid-range against a MP5 user, but make sure it is still at the DEs' effective range. Again, as I have emphasized above, try and go above the MP5-user and force him to stay below you. Do not let the MP5-user get above you. Also do not let the MP5-user charge right into your face at high speed (especially if he is high on HP and you are injured) ; even though you can kill him easily, he can also kill you just as easily or even faster with his superior firing rate. Try to avoid narrow tunnels when against a MP5-user.
^ This may help when you are posting more info about DEs.
Note:
This post has been editted many times. There will be no more editting to this post, so whatever I've typed here you can now rest assured that I won't edit it again.
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Deagles fit for every range. Just 20 minutes ago I proved that precise deagles can take off AK/AUG from long range. Sure it involved some luck, as no one is really going to have 100% accuracy over a long range due to slow bullets, but if you manage to make 3 hits, you are the winner (No legshots).
Deagles erquire patience. Good deagles can rape autos, but autos outnumber good deagles by some 1000:1, im being serious here.
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Deagles fit for every range. Just 20 minutes ago I proved that precise deagles can take off AK/AUG from long range. Sure it involved some luck, as no one is really going to have 100% accuracy over a long range due to slow bullets, but if you manage to make 3 hits, you are the winner (No legshots).
Deagles erquire patience. Good deagles can rape autos, but autos outnumber good deagles by some 1000:1, im being serious here.
eeehmm... you played on a public?
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Just a couple of questions: 1) When do you use secondary (besides reloading)?
2) When do you nade?
3) Do you do more damage if you're zooming at them?
1. Only when needed, it is bad to do a knife rush first, as you'll get screwed later. Generally when I want to double kill and cap.
2. Nades are important, (didn't cover because it was a Deagle guide), I try to use them a lot, but nade spamming works wonders.
3. Yes, the fast you move the faster your bullets are and faster speed = more damage.
Point 1:
My mouse sensitivity is 25, because for some reason my razor mouse's sensitivity is incredibly high. It is the same as 100 with a normal laser mouse that I had used. So, mouse sensitivity may depend on the mouse you use as well. And the player's preference of course.
Point 2:
Mmm, like most guns, DEs are best used in mid-air against opponents who are lower than you. I think the strategy to fight against the M79 is the same as all other weapons except that you cannot stay a long distance away due to its bullet speed and arc. So I guess you need to include the fact that DEs are more for close and mid-ranged combat.
I use the Socom as my secondary because:
1. Socom is similar to DEs, just faster (reload and firing rate) and shoot only one bullet at a time.
(Deleted the socom parts cause of size of post)
1. My scale for mouse sens branches off from cheap crappy Microsoft optical mice (Most people used I've learned), but yes it is all suggestive, I just recommend high if you have a similar mouse,
2. Don't agree here sorry, with good aim you can pull off long range shots, the only problem is how weak they get at long range.
3. Using a socom is all preference, I'm just saying I never really saw point to it, the point on low Deagles/won't hit is a good one though. Im a pure Deagle/Knife rusher so yes, I'm going to be a bit biased to socom. So Sorry for that.
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Deagles fit for every range. Just 20 minutes ago I proved that precise deagles can take off AK/AUG from long range. Sure it involved some luck, as no one is really going to have 100% accuracy over a long range due to slow bullets, but if you manage to make 3 hits, you are the winner (No legshots).
Deagles erquire patience. Good deagles can rape autos, but autos outnumber good deagles by some 1000:1, im being serious here.
eeehmm... you played on a public?
What do you mean?
I did not play on a public server, if you mean that.
And by good deagles I mean something you just dont find and say hello to. I can't even name any. Well, ok, Maybe Real Rook and Camar. I remember times, when those people hit me over and over again, no matter what I did, they just hit me. I ran, spammed nades, wormed, tred to hide - with no succes. Always, always I ended up dead with autos if I couldnt nade them.
and no, don't call me a "public newbie". ;)
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Your guide is assuming your playing normal mode. I play realistic and i got a tip: "AIM FOR THE HEAD" (1 shot kill in the head)
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Your guide is assuming your playing normal mode. I play realistic and i got a tip: "AIM FOR THE HEAD" (1 shot kill in the head)
I got a better tip, dont use DE. they got a eat rate at about 75%.
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Good job. I'm getting better with Deagles these days and I hope this'll help too :)
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You forgot the most important part of using Deagles: They make you feel like a badass.
High sensitivity allows you to jump over or around your target easily and still keep aiming at them. If the target has low sensitivity, it'll take them a little longer than you to line up shots. If they have a high sensitivity then at least you can get a height advantage for a bit. Be sure to not try to run around people using autos unless they're reloading, for obvious reasons. (You'll get shredded)
Anyway, thanks for the tips. If spraying with a AK-74 or an AUG ever gets boring, you can bet I'll give the Deagles some love.
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Yes, I can say with 100% sureness Deagles are the hottest, best looking weapon out there.
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I used to use MP5 / Minimi / AK or whatever I feel like but after using deagles they're UGLY.
Thanks Rai-Dei for answers - just about the secondary thing (I use knife) - would you also fling it first thing if there are >2 people charging you? Cause it seems to help me ;D
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I'm not generally a fan of charging with a knife out, but yes if I have a nice clean knife shot I'll take it.
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That was actually pretty insightful, I never used the deagles until I read that guide.
I still suck with them. :D
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Your guide is assuming your playing normal mode. I play realistic and i got a tip: "AIM FOR THE HEAD" (1 shot kill in the head)
I got a better tip, dont use DE. they got a eat rate at about 75%.
*Off-topic* Can someone please explain what "eat", "eat rate" and "eater" mean because I've seen a lot of people use these but I'm not sure what it means.. Thanks :)
*On-topic* Question: which path is generally the best for deagles? (high, low, mid, main?)
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Your guide is assuming your playing normal mode. I play realistic and i got a tip: "AIM FOR THE HEAD" (1 shot kill in the head)
I got a better tip, dont use DE. they got a eat rate at about 75%.
*Off-topic* Can someone please explain what "eat", "eat rate" and "eater" mean because I've seen a lot of people use these but I'm not sure what it means.. Thanks :)
*On-topic* Question: which path is generally the best for deagles? (high, low, mid, main?)
Eat, being hit by a bullet which does no damage is eating.
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Apparently it works for every path.
But if you're like STM how you like aerial battles then obviously you'd go high path.
If the low path is like a flat horizontal tunnel, then... not too sure.. autos OR barrets with longer range may fill you with lead before you get fire your guns right if the ceiling is low.
But that's just my preference xD
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Really nice guide. will try to use deagles a bit more. It's my favurite weapon, but i can't handle it =(
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Cool guide, I've learned alot bout it, Cya :D
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nice guide rai, i'm testing higher sensitivity now, it's a pain in the beggining ;)
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Good guide, I'm realy good with the socom, but it doesn't have the punch to be a primary. So i'm gonna have to practice with the D Eagles.
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I'm actually one of the people who use deagles who overwhoot, and I do fine. Maybe its just a differnet style I play with o.o
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Yeah I love overshooting too.. I'm just used to it
So it's better to aim and shoot slow then practise getting faster...
Or to shoot fast and practise getting your aim right?
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Shot slow and aim first, if you get amazing aim slow you'll be able to speed it up in no time.
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Alright, thanks Rai-Dei
Though sometimes when I'm in the mood for soldat I can keep clicking and the shots seem to whack em xP
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Well-done guide thar, Rai. I'm not much of a DEagler myself, but I can say your suggestions helped me suck slightly less with 'em. Meh, I still prefer my 82, thank you.
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i hate shoting slow, i want to kill them faast! ;)
so i'm practising alot on that atm.
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Great Guide =]
i use deagles alot on the small maps and then ruger on the big ones.
always with knife though
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You were playing with minigun the last day, said you were practicing with it, what a hoax you are.
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You were playing with minigun the last day, said you were practicing with it, what a hoax you are.
who?
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You were playing with minigun the last day, said you were practicing with it, what a hoax you are.
Oh really now, I should start saying rumors about you too!
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imo you shouldn't complain about such thing because if you're practising with a gun you are allowed to use other guns if you feel for it.
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i think noobs feck around with it because it has many bullets ;)
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Well, minigun is actually quite an amazing weapon if you can use it, but in a general game with two rather skilled players, chances are the minigun is at a big disadvantage.
Back to topic about DEs,
Desert Eagles are one of the best weapons in the game, it is just the bullet speed that is a bit tricky to master and once you get the aim and arcing right, it is extremely powerful. It is better in a more open area or if you're not obstructed by the ceiling.
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I used to like Deagles, but then they started sucking.
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I used to like Deagles, but then they started sucking.
Not really. Sure, in 1.2.1 it was 1337, but so was almost everything else. Then 1.3, every weapon including DEs themselves were nerfed.
Now the DEs are getting more and more buffs, no nerfs in ANY area ever since the next version after 1.3. In 1.5, it would most probably gonna get +2 damage and -4 reload buffs.
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That's coool
Are all weapons getting buffed, just like how all got nerf in 1.3?
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That's coool
Are all weapons getting buffed, just like how all got nerf in 1.3?
Not everything is getting buffed... Ruger, Aug and maybe Knife are most probably getting nerfed (whether major or minor). The rest are probably getting buffs or remain the same.
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Knife? What is there to nerf?
Back on topic, how do you deal with barret campers with deagles? They are quite fun to try but I always end up dying, or dodging their bullet. Then they run away back into base where there's 4 other people who just spawned. Hmmmmm...
Knife seems to work quite well if you're quick
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I'm not really a pub player, but in gathers/fcws the alt route has Barretters in it. Many people (Rugertards) disagree with my way of defeating them but it works. I rush them, NEVER get in a range battle with a Barrett you will get molested. Best thing to do is charge them and don't stop moving, and of course rape the arc like you just dropped the soap.
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i feel like a noob now but i don't quite understand the "arc" thing. so if you explain to me what it is, i would be happy ;)
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The Arc is what make the Deagles unique (its the extreme bullet curve) it allows for amazingly angled shots.
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ok thanks rai, it was that i thought it was but i had to be sure.
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all the talk about compliments to rai-dei, then suddenly a freakin minigun conersation?
-off- minigun can be a true killer, i was able to do serial kill and multikill x2 in 5 seconds
-on- great guide, great weapon, now i gotta try to use it. btw, it really is a heck of a killer in real mod. 2 shot on torso=death 1 shot to head= death.
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I'm not really a pub player, but in gathers/fcws the alt route has Barretters in it. Many people (Rugertards) disagree with my way of defeating them but it works. I rush them, NEVER get in a range battle with a Barrett you will get molested. Best thing to do is charge them and don't stop moving, and of course rape the arc like you just dropped the soap.
So in other words, use the bullet arc to keep your target, while constantly moving out of their line of fire? That makes sense, since in a ruger vs ruger battle, you'd have to be aiming directly down your opponent's line. Now I can see how the deagles here give you a decided advantage.
I need to apply this to my m79 usage, thanks!
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Yeah recently there were 2 barret snipers in the low route - I really wanted to try and beat them;
I charged 1, and since it was a narrow tunnel I figured they could hardly miss (as I figured out several lives before).
I wormed in mid air, he missed and I managed to get a shot into him and again while flying over his head and yet again when on the other side of him.
But alas, the other one killed me.
So: should I have kept up my charge and somehow pinned his face with my knife? Or continue my charge and keep firing?
Cause one barreter is quite okay, but more than that.. gets hard. I know a sensible solution would be to take the high route, but... I don't like to let them win ;D
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Since I don't really know where they were, I'd try to take out the one who didn't miss because he has a shot left. As for the other just kill him after you kill the one since he is already weak.
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I havent tried this, but maybe it is posible to it one barreter , then aim for the other one and hit, then go back to the other one... etc... so that they get binked, unable to shoot. But of course this would require perfect timing. OR, you could just nadespam lawl
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Nadespam one and kill the other xD
Bink doesn't work extremely well in narrow tunnels but it's still worth a try
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Thanks for the guide. I've actually never given a damn about the mouse sens.
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For some reason, I practise using deagles like every day yet I never get better. But one day I can just pick up an AK or something and own... Aiming is just really hard with eagles for me, but AK (and most other automatics), you just... spray... and kill people. I'm also OK with 1-hits and the other semi's - just I suck at deags.. any suggestions why? o.o
{Sorry to bump, but I think its a relevant comment.}
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pewpew you are like me, i don't feel like getting better at times, and i'm using ak. The ak has much easyer aim than the deagles so all you have to do is following this guide and play. Remember not spray and pray with the Deagles, shot slow.
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For some reason, I practise using deagles like every day yet I never get better. But one day I can just pick up an AK or something and own... Aiming is just really hard with eagles for me, but AK (and most other automatics), you just... spray... and kill people. I'm also OK with 1-hits and the other semi's - just I suck at deags.. any suggestions why? o.o
They key is to shoot SLOW, as if they were actually the Ruger. Start slow. If you can get better at aiming a little by little, then good for you, that means you're getting the bullet speed. Also, DEs are not longed-ranged weapons, try getting mid-range with them instead.
Ya, it's pretty understandable why DEs are so hard to use, its just the bullet speed which ultimately makes the bullet curve awkwardly. Also, at long range, the bullets would begin to spread out.
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What about retts that are also leet flippers and soccomers?
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Barrett = Get close and shoot. And keep moving and dodging.
Socom = DEs beat Socom easily, if you can make every shot count. Socom shoots two bullets in 12 ticks. DEs shoot two bullets from the first shot, and can shoot another two bullets in 23 ticks. DEs have slightly faster bullet speed. If your aim sux, the Socom is gonna beat you ez pz.
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What about retts that are also leet flippers and soccomers?
soccom sucks ass just shoot them. best bet with rett is to use the arc of the bullet to kill him without risking exposure, otherwise you could just shoot them like everyone else.
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Nice guide, im starting to like Deagles, but i cant let go of my ruger D: its my ownage wep eva D:
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Deagles own if you're good
The key IS follow what everyone said above, but use that 0 moveacc VERY well. Otherwise, as you probably have experienced, ruger owns.
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Knowing how to use both Deagles and Ruger is amazing, because the Ruger is anti-Deagles, with the combo you can take out pretty much all.
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i use mostly barret and deagles, but ruger and deagles would own.
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Ruger + DEs are easily the two most powerful weapons in of Soldat. Use them together, you're basically unstoppable.
Ruger has the range, accuracy, and can kill in 2 shots. DEs have the speed and power (3 shots!) and ultimately versatility, and a curve which can be used to hit at weird angles. They support each other. Using Ruger + Socom is already deadly enough, but change the Socom to DEs, you're a strong foe.
Only 1-hitters can stand a chance against a full-health player with such a combination.
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Very good guide, I enjoyed reading it and learning something :)
Hope to play against u in the gathers again u're very good with those DE ;D
And, ya I'd have to say the Ruger is the gun that would beat the DE, if you're good with Ruger.
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Thanks Rai-Dei !!!
Your Guide explain me how good are Deserts with quick mouse .
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Nice guide Rai-Dei.
I've been using DEagles since i started playing soldat for 3 reasons...
1) They look sexy.
2) They are very challenging but also very rewarding.
3) They are the first weapons on the list (Thats also why i use socom as a secondary)
I play r/s competitively but i pub in r and normal sometimes when i'm bored.
Although a bit overshadowed by ruger, DE's extra ammo and RoF should not be underestimated.
I agree that the best about DEs is their flexibility and the worst is definitely the bullet speed.
"Shot slow and aim first, if you get amazing aim slow you'll be able to speed it up in no time. "
You said that a few posts after your first, and i think that is actually the best advise you can give. (Should be in the first post :p)
Overall, well written and good stuff ;)
I hope i would meet you in battle sometime, although i think i would get my a$$ handed to me in a plate :p
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Rai-Dei thanks for this, hopefully this will help me become the next Bitem (Best Desert Eagle User EVER).
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Does Bitem still play?
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I don't think so man.
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In Australian servers, I've seen this guy called "Green Fire" and he absolutely pwned with deagles.. He was clanless but dominated pubs. Haven't seen him for months now...
Anyway, I'd like to ask, do you guys think deags are good for 1 v 1's? I verse my bro (uses ruger) and sometimes I don't do as well as I expect with de's
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IMO DEs are good for 1v1 if you can nade.. a nade + a whack should kill. Seeing as your brother uses ruger, you really gotta use that moveacc to your advantage and also if he's got low sensitivity keep using movement tricks to run *around* him - that way he has to keep turning his cursor. But if people barrett in 1v1 which I find most annoying, then nades are the way to go - while they are spawning hunt for more nades =P
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Without being really good or knowing how to trick a Ruger/Barrett, they will dominate. Deagles are really good against auto users though.
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Rai-Dei is awesome! -_ -b!
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Rai-Dei is awesome! -_ -b!
You defeated Rai !?
BTW this thread needs moar demos, the best way to learn is by watching it directly.
Deagles has great potential, if you can adjust every single shot with an arc that matches the movement of the enemy, even at long distances(while taking into account bullet velocity/arc), and shoot at max speed at all times with 100% accuracy, they will be close to invincible.
If you can do 100% headshots with deagles, you're godly. :o
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I don't think anyone can do 100%, but I will try to get some demos of me playing.
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I don't think anyone can do 100%, but I will try to get some demos of me playing.
The point is not whether you can do 100%.... it's how close you can get, with that goal in mind.
It's a mental trick to perform better than the usual, you improve more if you push yourself.
OH YEAY DEMOSS DEMOOSS I CANT WAIT !! [retard]
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Meh, short notice demos so they kind of suck.
22 (Skip to the end I think)
and "Eagles" is really old but its still sexy.
Ill add more when I get more, and soon Im going to update a lot of my guide.
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Lolz I liked the part when that Spas dude boosted you as you shot his face..... No bink at all.
Then you raped two enemies at home base, nice ! xDDDD
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Thanks for the demos, I'm about to watch them now :D
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nice demos rai, i'm hoping to get as good as you some day :)
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Demos in first post, might comb through topic and put answered questions in first post.
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its very easy to get lucky with Deagles too, but i agree it is a good weapon to use, but in opinion there is no such thing as a good weapon, it depends on the persons skill not the weapon...
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wow this is really impressive. I'm might have to use Deagles a little more often, but it would be sweet if some one did something like this for mp5...:D It differs a lot from all the other autos because of its arc.
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wow this is really impressive. I'm might have to use Deagles a little more often, but it would be sweet if some one did something like this for mp5...:D It differs a lot from all the other autos because of its arc.
MP5's arc is pretty similar to the DEs, so some of the stuff in this DEs guide actually can be applied to the MP5. Just take note that the MP5's an automatic with low damage per shot while DEs are semi-automatic with high damage per shot.
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whoa , your tutorial is great x)
from this on i'm a deagles user haha
what crosshair (cursor) do you use?
can you put it 2 download?
:D ty \o
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Rather old topic, but hey I think people should read it. Also I want to take some questions.
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Great guide,
i have no questions but wanted to point out that its awesome
N.B pointing out the obvious lol
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hey, rai-dei, whats about with realistic mode?
the recoil there is actually screwing the deagles, some tips there?
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hey, rai-dei, whats about with realistic mode?
the recoil there is actually screwing the deagles, some tips there?
I can do pretty good with deagles in TW, just get used to it, and remember that Deagles can do the 'Headshot' in realistic.
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Realistic DEs have high recoil, slower firing rate and reload, has movementacc 2, can kill in 2 body shots (3-4 bullets) or one headshot (2 bullets). Remember that in Realistic, you'd die really fast.
I'd say the usage of DEs is slightly different in Realistic than in normal.
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They are so fun in realistic mode. Just love popping round a corner and nailing them in the back of the head ha. They do have pretty dire hit reg and the recoil makes it hard for me, since I have 30-40 mouse sens due to my rugering in normal mode. I might tinker with them for 1.5.
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I don't really play realistic, but I think if you keep the cursor close to you while you shoot its easier to re-set up your aim from the recoil.
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if i play one weapon to get really pro with it i sometimes get really tired, especialy if i miss a lot. If i have a bad day, what should i do, don't care and keep going or rage and take a SPRAY weapon and kill the shit out of people?
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don't listen to rai-gay, use steyr aug it's easier! you'll be pro in no time!
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cause its op, it should get an reload time nerf
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if i play one weapon to get really pro with it i sometimes get really tired, especialy if i miss a lot. If i have a bad day, what should i do, don't care and keep going or rage and take a SPRAY weapon and kill the s**t out of people?
Honestly, that gun may not be for you. I've been just a deagler for so long now, and I don't get tired of the gun itself, I just get tired of playing badly. Or maybe you are built to be a multi-weapon person, all depends.
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Remember I take all of your questions !!
Who would you say is the best all time Desert eagler around? And who is the best Desert eagler now? Also, what would you suggest doing with a desert eagle if you're fighting an m79er or a steyr user?
Thanks. ;)
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All time probably Marbire, at the moment I have no idea. I've only just came back from a 3-4 month break (also leaving in 2 days).
M79: Keep your distance, try to make his arc work against him. And use the very slight straightness of the deagle.
Steyr: Land your shots quickly, theres not really an easy way to take em' out other than to use the arc and fire fast.
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srry for the bump, but this helped me alot! :D
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The Steyr Aug's advantage lies in very high DOT, great accuracy (if you know how to control your shooting) and range. It's disadvantage is its low damage per shot and its ammo runs out quite quickly (though the reload is relatively fast, but enough for you to take him out).
DEs' advantage lies in the fact that it has very strong damage per shot and excellent accuracy (no bink and no movementacc at all - allows you to keep moving and landing shots perfectly), and the ammo is actually pretty high + a fast reload. It's disadvantage is due to its low bullet speed which means shorter range, but that can be turned into your advantage - you have a very useful bullet curve.
Against the Steyr Aug, you will lose to him in long range, so try to move in closer to an effective range. As Rai said, take advantage of your bullet curve... and the terrain. DEs' DOT can beat the Aug's DOT only if your shots are landed carefully and quickly.
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STM I disagree with you on a certain point.
If I would face a DE user, I would keep my distance, and spray him from farther back seeing that the AUG bullets do more damage from a farther distance away. Is this correct?
In my opinion as long as you stay a sufficient distance from him and stay above the DE user, you should be able to win.
Happy new year. ;)
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STM I disagree with you on a certain point.
If I would face a DE user, I would keep my distance, and spray him from farther back seeing that the AUG bullets do more damage from a farther distance away. Is this correct?
In my opinion as long as you stay a sufficient distance from him and stay above the DE user, you should be able to win.
Happy new year. ;)
Happy New Year.
Aug doesn't do more damage, it loses less damage compared to DEs, which not only lose damage (which may make it 4 shots to kill), but the bullets lose too much velocity and become easy to dodge, and may not even hit.
Steyr Aug has the bullet push and the range, which allows it to win the DEs. But if the DE-user can actually get close enough (mid-range is more than enough), the Aug can be defeated no matter how many bullets hit the DE-user, providing the DE-user is accurate and agile.
Besides, you also have to consider the reaction time, the terrain, the speed at which the players are going, secondaries/grenades, and the type of game mode you're playing. More factors too perhaps, such as health. Being above a DE-user - it can mean that it is harder for the DE-user to shoot you, but it can also mean that you'd probably run out of jets faster and you may be naded at the feet. Or perhaps the DE-user is on the ground? He'd just send a LAW flying towards you. If both Aug-user and DE-user are to be running towards each other quickly which happens pretty often in CTF, chances are the DE-user would win too.
And no doubt, the Steyr Aug is overpowered while the DEs could use even more buffing.
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And no doubt, the Steyr Aug is overpowered
no
But thanks for explaining that. Lol, I was looking at the AUG stats from like 2005, maybe that's why I was a bit misunderstood.
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But thanks for explaining that. Lol, I was looking at the AUG stats from like 2005, maybe that's why I was a bit misunderstood.
2005? What version of Soldat was it at that time? 1.3?
But seriously though, the Steyr Aug is a little too strong. Self-bink is too low (which isn't really a problem to a good Aug-user anyway), reload is too fast, damage potential might even be too high.
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Bullet speed is nice and fast. I don't mind that the bullets are being taken down by 5 in the new version, but is the bink supposed to get higher too? I'm a heavy AUG user, and I like how the gun is at the moment. ;)
Also, I was looking at the Soldat Wiki weapons guide for AUG..
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The self-bink shouldn't be a problem if you're a good Aug-user, and its intended to be increased in addition to the -5 ammo. Always fire in short bursts, and you'd notice you'd almost never be affected in terms of accuracy, except the very minor movementacc 2. The Soldat wiki's has correct stats at least. Tbh, I don't like the idea of -5 ammo, but it shows promise. The 75% bullet push is still yet to be explored.
Now, let's get back on topic - Desert Eagles.
It's getting +2 damage per bullet and -4 reload. Which means more firepower and faster reload, and that is good.
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Nice guide, it has made me want to use them :)
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Nice guide, it has made me want to use them :)
Same here, I rarely use DE, but now I know I'll try them more often ;)
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Good, good, remember too: not many people are used to fighting deagles!
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And who is the best Desert eagler now?
EmDzej of course! :D
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Nice guide, but I myself prefer the MP5. It's arc is very similar so it can also do tricky shots, plus if you miss you can always just spray. I find it works freaking great at binking snipers, and if the enemy is running away from you downhill you can spray and kill him even if he's off your screen! ;D I can own EFCs a lot on maps like Cobra when they're running downhill or through a tunnel.
Can't spray with DEs!
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And who is the best Desert eagler now?
EmDzej of course! :D
Who is this desert eagle user? I thought Rai + Marb were the best. ;)
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Pretty large bump (4th page?) But I cleaned up the guide, added more demos, and added new a couple new sections.
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This pretty much covered all i have ever seen from the Deagles so far Rai, good to know we have people like you willing to shed light on these subjects. Just wish you played on internal bleeding like you did on the demos that other day. Maybe some other time I'll get to kick your butt when you're totally owning ;P (jk).
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that was a nice guide
congratz rei-dei
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I agree that the deagle 1.5 is more overpowered, but much less charming than it was in version 1.4.2
Now, with rapid reload, it is much easier to "spam" shots, instead of knowing the right time to shoot.
It would be better, perhaps, maintain the reload 94 (1.4.2) and improve the dmg for 182 or 181. To keep the main feature of Deagle: great damage, but do not spray.
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I agree that the deagle 1.5 is more overpowered, but much less charming than it was in version 1.4.2
Now, with rapid reload, it is much easier to "spam" shots, instead of knowing the right time to shoot.
It would be better, perhaps, maintain the reload 94 (1.4.2) and improve the dmg for 182 or 181. To keep the main feature of Deagle: great damage, but do not spray.
And people ask me why I think...Correct myself. Believe that 1.5 sucks.
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I cant open the damn demos =/
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Are you using the right version of Soldat? I'm not sure what version these were created in but it's probably 1.4.2. I've recently learned that they need to be played in the version of Soldat the demo was created in.
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Nice section on grenades.
Someone needs to write a guide to soldat supremacy: Grenades and those so called primaries as secondaries
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Thanks guys. Sadly the demos are all 1.4.2, I've been pretty damned inactive lately to take anymore. (1.5 runs very strangely)
Freeze wrote a VERY detailed guide grenades, I might even repost here (with his permission of course!)
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Are you using the right version of Soldat? I'm not sure what version these were created in but it's probably 1.4.2. I've recently learned that they need to be played in the version of Soldat the demo was created in.
So thats why its not working, I'm using v 1.5
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Just spray and pray. :P
omg that's my taunt !!! thief
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The Arc!
- One of the greatest attributes to the Deagles
and one of the hardest IMO, I need to work a lot because of this arc, damn hard
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The Arc!
- One of the greatest attributes to the Deagles
and one of the hardest IMO, I need to work a lot because of this arc, damn hard
Then start out on DM maps.
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Hi,
Now that the demo bug is fixed, may u post some full rounds demos to teach us how to play with deagle?
Thx
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Check the rules regarding the description of hackers: http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?action=help#hacks
If you'd like me to look at the demo, you may PM it to me instead.