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Soldat Talk => General Discussions => Topic started by: SpeedKill on May 23, 2008, 02:47:20 am
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Hey All, Im SpeedKill.
I need to find a good weapon, so if you could please help me in finding one that would be great.
Yours Sincerely,
SpeedKill
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There's no best weapon. Pick weapons based on your own playing style and the map/situation at hand.
Give us some examples of what types of game you play, and how you do it, and we can start recommending weapons.
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okie dokie, well. I usually always play CTF..... I Keep getting killed, i use the 79 wep. and the Berrett....
And i dont know how people get 100 kills so fast
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Maybe you're not cut out for the more finesse-heavy one-hit killers like the M79 and the Barrett (people will also hate you less...). What can I say except to try out every weapon and see what else you like? I'm more into automatics, myself.
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okie dokie, ill get back to u on what i like.
Date Posted: May 23, 2008, 04:01:31 am
..... None of them worked...... I still keep dying alot and they make me miss more D:.
What is the most popular weapon among people?
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Firstly, it's not always 100 kills.
You play CTF, right?
Capping gives you great points (20, usually).
But some players are killing machines..
As Zero said, know your style. Do you like auto or semi, if you've tried 79 and barret?
If you like auto, would you prefer fire rate, more damage per shot, or what?
The more "fire rate and reload" autos are MP5 and Aug, damage per shot would get you into AK and Minimi, though minimi has pretty good fire rate too. You have to try them out to see.
Semis are quite unique - try them out too =D
EDIT: What have you tried?
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Ok, But, is it just skill?
i want an even mix of things, i prefer the heavy weps. Cuz im a hopeless aim with the light weps.
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Ok now-
If you overshoot (put your cursor beyond the enemy),
Go to the options and enable sniper line.
Now you should see a dotted aiming line which gets thicker as you put your cursor further away from you.
Get a barret..
Try sitting there and shoot at people. They may call you camper, but hey, you're learning. Practise your aim like this.
Make sure the person is being "cut" by your aiming line then fire. I prefer to "cut" them at the torso because lag may cause them to eat your shot if you aim at their face or foot.
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Awesome! Thanks. ill Try That :D
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but SpeedKill stay away from the minigun :D
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Keep in mind that if an auto user comes at you and starts shooting you, your aim gets inaccurate (just a sniper thing).
The best way to solve this - get good at aiming and snipe him before he can see you.
You do know that crouching or proning makes you see further, right..?
^^Sure stay away from minigun.
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Meeeeeh, i find the sniper line very distracting, but thanks for trying, i see most people in game say that the 6'th wepon is the best?
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@Platehead, yes i do know :D
@pavliko, ok ill stay away from the minigun o.o
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That one.. is very similar to barret. Except time between each shot is less, and takes to head/body shots to kill, I think.
Legs can go to three? I'm not sure, I'm not fond of the ruger xD
EDIT: Try it out! It shoots fairly straight for a while so yeah.
You may like it!
EDIT*2: What secondary do you use? Just wondering
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If you play realistic try the Desert Eagles from close and normal distance if no...
than your the sniping type .
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I would, however, recommend starting with normal mode. Get used to the game first
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okie.... Im really bad at shooting, i get killed once every 5-10 secs..... with a sniper
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You'll get the hang of it.. what weapon do you use now? Still sniper?
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Ummm, mix between the Uzi thing, and the sniper and the M79....
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Ok
With the Uzi thing, I supposed you are talking about MP5.
Get close to the enemy to maximise the number of shots that hit.
I have no idea why, but when using autos, if I hold on jets, let go, hold on, let go, etc, I shoot straight.
Not tapping jet, but holding it on for 1-2 secs, let go for 1 sec, etc
Works for me, but again I got no idea why.
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Hmm, depends on your play style you use a different weapon. Let's see, you like the more powerful gun eh?
Lke what Platehead said, use your sniper line, it can help a lot. After some practice with aiming, learn how to overcome movementacc (don't move or jet at all for a brief moment and shoot). I'll recommend some weapons:
Desert Eagles - Desert Eagles are very good and powerful weapons. They can kill in 3 shots (6 bullets, since each shot fires 2 bullets). Although really powerful and accurate, this is not a pick-up-and-use weapon. It has a very awkward bullet curve, so you will need a lot of practice and patience when you use this so that you can actually aim the DEs with the curved bullet angle.
Ruger 77 - Ruger 77 is a hybrid of DEs and Barrett. Pretty fast, kills in two or three shots, accurate and a high bullet speed (there is a visible slight curve which can make aiming over long range pretty tough unless you've mastered the bullet angle). It has some movementacc, so when using a Ruger you can treat it a bit like a Barrett.
Barrett M82A1 - If you've been practicing your aim with Barrett, you may want to consider using the Barrett. It's pretty easy to aim with the very high bullet speed (very little curve when shooting over long distances, almost none at typical range). Once you've learnt how to run-and-gun and counter movementacc and mastered the timing for the startup time, I suggest you continue using this.
The key to using the Desert Eagles and Ruger in particular, is not to shoot as fast as possible. Take your time to aim. It doesn't matter how slow you are, as long as you can make every shot count. With practice, you can aim faster and then you can speed up your shooting.
If you're looking for autos, here's some help for what you want. According to play style, I'd recommend the Aug though:
MP5 - This gun is very fast, but has short range due to bullet speed. A good choice for rushing.
AK - If you like to take things slow and steady, this is your gun. Slow, but has a high damage per shot, and a higher bullet clip of 40 instead of 30.
Aug - This gun is VERY versatile. The only disadvantage is that it has a low damage per shot and damage per clip, but it makes up for its accuracy, high bullet speed and high rate of fire.
Minimi - A more specialized version of AK. 50 ammo, higher movementacc, lower damage per shot, slightly faster. It has the major disadvantage of having a very long reload.
For secondary, some info to help you on what to pick:
USSOCOM - Highly recommended for starters. It's a pistol, quite similar to DEs. Very fast reload, fast-firing, 6 bullets can kill from its 12 bullet clip. Pretty accurate, just low bullet speed. It's good as a backup and finisher weapon.
Combat Knife - Very popular. You throw the knife at enemies and get one-hit kills. Hold down to throw further and at higher speeds. If the speed of the knife is too low, it will not kill in one-hit, which defeats the purpose of the knife.
Chainsaw - Are you fast, agile and love to rush in? This is not a bad weapon then. A melee weapon you can use to slice through opponents. This is more of a ground-based weapon.
M72 LAW - An anti-tank weapon that fires a missile. Like a Barrett, you hold down shoot to fire. You must be on the ground in a crouched or proned position.
I haven't recommended you to use Spas because it is a pretty advanced weapon as well, and is very specialized for close-quarters only and has some tricks when using it. But if you are very interested with the Spas, I'll tell you.
I also didn't recommend the minigun because it isn't a proper gun.
I didn't say a thing about the M79 earlier, because M79 is just a very easy-to-use weapon. Get quite close, aim, estimate, click. Boom instant kill.
If you get killed quickly and easily, it probably means that you need to work on your agility, like backflipping, rolling, superman etc. But more importantly, is to get your aim right.
If your aim is still very poor despite a hell load of practice (you need patience), then I suggest you not to use the semi-autos. Use an auto like MP5, AK or Aug.
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nice STM1993
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and the minigun isn't a proper gun
QFT.
STM nicely summed it up for you as he has done for many other threads - follow what he says and choose your gun.
For you (SpeedKill), I recommend law or ussocom. As a barret user, you may find yourself facing enemies while reloading which is when you pull out your law. ussocom is useful if you see a low health guy (identified through bleeding) and don't want to waste your oh so precious barret shot on him, especially if you have a habit of missing. MP5 works well with law (You use it, right?) as MP5 is close, law is far ranged and can cover up for your long range difficulties
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^ Oh btw, I made a couple of edits, like I always do, added a few stuff.
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Another thing - don't get over annoyed if you get killed too much!
What's the aim in Soldat for others - to kill you (and your team in team games)
The best way to avoid being shot is to quickly shoot the person who is going to shoot you before he manages to shoot you.
Works every time. So it's better to get your aim right first. =D
Hope to see you ingame, SpeedKill, maybe give you a couple of tips once I've seen how you play.
I myself am not too good..
STM1993, I've wanted to see you ingame for a while. Are you as pro as you sound? I doubtlessly think so. =D
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STM1993, I've wanted to see you ingame for a while. Are you as pro as you sound? I doubtlessly think so. =D
No. I'm not that good of a player, but I can give the advice and teach. I'm recently using a Ruger and Socom. Sometimes a Spas-12 in some maps where the Spas-12 begins to get an advantage.
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So, SpeedKill, how are you going with your aiming?
Decided on a favourite weapon yet?
Essentially, the "Best Gun" is the gun you're the "Best At".
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Omg! thank you very much! this will help so much :D i saved the website and ur message in a text doc! Thanks :D
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Learn the knife! Since i guess you play normal it's the ultimate killing weapon for people who know how to aim. Or a way to get people into corners you want them in.
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Learn the knife! Since i guess you play normal it's the ultimate killing weapon for people who know how to aim. Or a way to get people into corners you want them in.
Don't use knife as a primary weapon, you'll fail hard that way. They will simply kill you from distance.
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Knife should never be treated as a Primary weapon. I've met one who did that a few days ago. I easily killed him because of that, since he always searches for his knife instead of actually pulling out his Steyr Aug and shoot me back before he looks for his knife.
Knife is a last resort or instant kill *ranged* weapon that can also be used in the air. Yes, ranged, because it's supposed to be thrown, though the range is very short. Like most semi-autos (except Spas) and 1-hitters, the knife is a either-you-hit-or-you-miss weapon. Though not a knife-user myself, I'll tell you some ways a knife can be used quite effectively:
1. The moment you see someone, you throw the knife at him. You miss, means you just draw out your Primary and start firing. You can go and look for the knife later, or scavenge for another weapon.
2. Last-resort. Out of ammo? Draw it out, throw. If you miss, start spamming nades or switch back to your primary and reload it. You'd never know if you could hold out long enough to counter-attack. However, in this situation, chances are, if you miss, you can say goodbye.
3. If you think it's gonna be a waste because your knife's definitely gonna miss, there's a little trick. Just quickly switch weapons. You'd cancel your throw, switch to your Primary, and you still keep your knife as your secondary.
The knife is basically the weapon of extreme ends, as you can see. You can use the knife to stab (1-hit), or you throw it over a short distance (may not kill if speed is too low). Either you hit, or miss. Either you kill, or you don't. Either you win, or you lose.
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Stat Summed it up great for you, but I wouldn't even try to start off in public servers. Because more than likely you won't get better with a weapon if you're constantly getting owned. Host your own private server and go against some bots starting on the easy difficulty gradually increasing the difficulty as you get better. That's how I started and I'm above average with every gun available.
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Stat Summed it up great for you, but I wouldn't even try to start off in public servers. Because more than likely you won't get better with a weapon if you're constantly getting owned. Host your own private server and go against some bots starting on the easy difficulty gradually increasing the difficulty as you get better. That's how I started and I'm above average with every gun available.
Well, it depends person to person. Bots can be easy to train with for a start. But after that, you have to play in online servers to get the rest of the skills, because simply, bots are not as smart as humans. Besides, bots don't know how to do some stuff that we can, such as backflip.
Playing with bots helps build up confidence. A good bot to help train purely aiming would be Boogie Man. If you want everything together, you have to play with other bots. Training with bots is a slower process, but you can slowly pick up little tricks.
Playing online straight away is basically for fast-learners and those who don't back down so easily. Once you're online, you experience everything, from the most basic to the most advanced. If you are very lucky, you can actually get some of the people to help and teach you. This method is faster, but you have to learn even faster.
So if you're confident, keep playing online. If you're not so confident just as yet, try fighting bots for a start.
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okie dokie, ill get back to u on what i like.
Date Posted: May 23, 2008, 04:01:31 am
..... None of them worked...... I still keep dying alot and they make me miss more D:.
What is the most popular weapon among people?
Its just you suck. No offense. :S
Try playing bots.
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We had a topic like this a while ago. There were some good tips and tricks. I didn't throroughly read through this thread, so some things may have been suggested already. http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=24747.0
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Rambo bow.
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nice STM1993
You'll get to know him a lot more when you go to the weapon discussion section.
And yeah, pick whatever you want, if you feel like you can't rush in like others, use some long ranged weapons as Ruger or Barret.
If you want to have some adrenaline pumped into your hands, then I recommend Deagle, AK, Aug, MP5, Spas-12, and Minimi.
If you just want to be supportive and screw around, then use minigun :D
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We had a topic like this a while ago. There were some good tips and tricks. I didn't throroughly read through this thread, so some things may have been suggested already. http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=24747.0
Yeah mate
That was me
To think I've been trying to help you and I myself was like you just three months ago
EDIT: This is to SpeedKill, not you snow =)
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Soz Guys..... I have made a choice on my Favourite Wep :D
*Drum Roll*.............. Ruger 77!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I Shall copy ur guide again, seing as u have changed things.
Anyway, i still like the Berrett and the M79, but the Ruger owns all.... :D
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Huh, little ironic that you would decide to pick up the Ruger after having a hard time with the Barrett. I always thought of it as more of a support weapon for team matches. ...Wait, you play mainly CTF. That works.
Glad you found something that works for you. Keep practicing up.
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Yea, im practising, i use knives alot.
Still getting used to that slight angle when you fire long distances.
But, getting better.
Can you 1 hit kill (Head Shot) with Ruger?
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Yea, im practising, i use knives alot.
Still getting used to that slight angle when you fire long distances.
But, getting better.
Can you 1 hit kill (Head Shot) with Ruger?
You can't kill in one head shot for any weapon in Normal mode. But if it is Realistic, Ruger can.
Here's some factors to determine whether the Ruger kills in two or three shots:
Hitting the head does 115% damage, hitting the torso is 100%, the leg is 90% in Normal mode.
Head + Head = 2 - Kill
Head + Torso = 2 - Kill
Torso + Torso = 2 or 3 (possibly because of bullet speed, not 100% sure)
Head + Leg = 2 or 3 (estimated)
Torso + Leg = 3 - 1 more shot
Leg + Leg = 3 - 1 more shot
Notice that as long as you hit the head, your next shot will definitely kill (unless you hit the leg then maybe not), and vice-versa.
Anyway, when it comes down to the Ruger, just aim and shoot, don't bother so much about hitting the head, leg or body. But of course, if you can, aim for the Body (torso), because it has quite a large area and you can be sure that you may kill in 2 shots. Also, the torso is in between the head and the legs. If he moves up slightly, it still hits his leg, but if he moves down, it hits his head. And Ruger has only 4 shots per clip.
I don't recommend aiming for the head because it is very easy to miss. One slight movement and you will completely miss. I only recommend you to do so if you are extremely confident that you can hit and finish off that guy before he runs away or if it is Realistic mode.
On a side note, Grenades kill in one hit on the leg, may not kill instantly on the body, does not kill in one hit if it explodes on the head.
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Kk, i use Ruger and AUG. Aug and Ruger own!
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Hey speedkill.
I've been playing with you in pubs, and see that you've been using the chainsaw a bit.
Personally, saw is an excellent weapon. Firstly, you should know how to use prone properly. Always, the idea of it is to flank them or take their legs. Don't use it 100% of the time cause people might pick up your tactics and use it against you. Change your style of attack every now and then. To flank people unexpectidly, approach them head on, using jets, Go prone and disable jets, pointing the saw at the enemy. When they come down out of the air at you, stand up in the air, and use the jets to boost your way up behind them, if done fast enough they will keep going, and possibly be pointing the other way, so you can easily strike them in the back, or legs. (This is also like jousting, it often all happens in a split second)
(http://i32.tinypic.com/rky7ab.png)
I usually only use saw low, as it's really tight on some maps you can own a lot of gunners down there. In open terrain, you really need to move. Use the terrain to your advantage, spot out a place where a poly may go vertical, and jump off it. These are very useful when they are pointed in the general direction of an enemy.Â
Also, here's a cheap-o one. If approaching another sawer (usually low) and there is like a small gully or dent in the terrain in-between you and him, that's enough to conceal your whole body, go prone and fly into it, as if you are laying down in a trench. Aim your saw up, at an angle towards the advancing enemy, or as the terrain goes most of the time. If done fast enough, he would expect you to face him head on, or go for his legs, but you went even lower, and as he's adjusting to the sudden change of expectations, he runs ofer the trench and your saw tears off his legs. Just make sure you duck into the trench as close to him as possible, or he'll just saw the ground as he runs over and clean you out of the hole.Â
(http://i27.tinypic.com/14wf4pg.png)
That's just a few tips. I'm still working on some of those tactics.. but yeah gives you a general idea of saw tactics.
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Sweet mate!
I'm one of those people who use a saw as primary.
Read my avatar message. That's what I do with saw.
I basically do Hair|Trigger's thing
So I basically pretend to go in for the classic superman kill which seems to work half the time, then I unprone back out (knocks them offguard if they have bad sensitivity xD), turn around (200% sensitivity) and do the superman kill to their unprotected back.
That way, it's less embarassing if I miss, and I miss less.
But if you see 2 enemies, NEVER do that - when you're done with the first, your back is to enemy#2.
Glad you picked up the ruger, VERY efficient weapon.
STM, I'm sure you know barret and 79 kills in 1 headshot in normal mode =P
EDIT: another tip - ruger is an awesome killer if you combo it with a nade - due to its low fire rate and perhaps aiming mistakes, you may need to fire 3 or 4 shots to kill which takes quite a bit of time considering the fast pace of soldat. So learn to nade well - 1 nade + 1 shot should kill if they didn't eat anything
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Asking for any tips how to play?
1. Spam nades.
2. Finish your wounded enemy (with anything other than 1-hit).
3. Take nadebox.
4. Spam nades.
Best tactic ever. :d
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Sorry offtopic but; HairTrigger, what is the font used in those "diagrams"? (the white text)
SpeedKill, if you are using Ruger, I recommend you lower your mouse sensitivity as it usually helps (for ruger) - although, you should really use what's comfortable for you. Using a lower sensitivity might take a while to get used to, but can dramatically improve your aiming and your game overall.
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best tactic, download at almost max speed, as Lag > skill.
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Using a lower sensitivity might take a while to get used to, but can dramatically improve your aiming and your game overall.
The only flaw to low sensitivity is the fact that you can't turn around and shoot quickly when the enemy moves very fast. Also, it depends on the mouse. I use a Razor mouse and I had to set to 25 sensitivity in order to get the same sensitivity as another mouse with settings as 100 sensitivity. It's all dependent on your style and preference.
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but SpeedKill stay away from the minigun :D
Lol.
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Hey speedkill.
I've been playing with you in pubs, and see that you've been using the chainsaw a bit.
Personally, saw is an excellent weapon. Firstly, you should know how to use prone properly. Always, the idea of it is to flank them or take their legs. Don't use it 100% of the time cause people might pick up your tactics and use it against you. Change your style of attack every now and then. To flank people unexpectidly, approach them head on, using jets, Go prone and disable jets, pointing the saw at the enemy. When they come down out of the air at you, stand up in the air, and use the jets to boost your way up behind them, if done fast enough they will keep going, and possibly be pointing the other way, so you can easily strike them in the back, or legs. (This is also like jousting, it often all happens in a split second)
(http://i32.tinypic.com/rky7ab.png)
I usually only use saw low, as it's really tight on some maps you can own a lot of gunners down there. In open terrain, you really need to move. Use the terrain to your advantage, spot out a place where a poly may go vertical, and jump off it. These are very useful when they are pointed in the general direction of an enemy.
Also, here's a cheap-o one. If approaching another sawer (usually low) and there is like a small gully or dent in the terrain in-between you and him, that's enough to conceal your whole body, go prone and fly into it, as if you are laying down in a trench. Aim your saw up, at an angle towards the advancing enemy, or as the terrain goes most of the time. If done fast enough, he would expect you to face him head on, or go for his legs, but you went even lower, and as he's adjusting to the sudden change of expectations, he runs ofer the trench and your saw tears off his legs. Just make sure you duck into the trench as close to him as possible, or he'll just saw the ground as he runs over and clean you out of the hole.
(http://i27.tinypic.com/14wf4pg.png)
That's just a few tips. I'm still working on some of those tactics.. but yeah gives you a general idea of saw tactics.
Thanks Hair|Trigger, I dont really use the chainsaw much anymore, im more of a person who throws knives at the approaching enemy's now. But when i come to the situation when i only have chainsaws, this will greatly help. Thanks :D
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It's more the gunner than the gun.
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It depends on a lot of things but better guns do appear to come out:
1v1: Barrett, you get good enough aim you cannot be touched.
Ctf Main Route: Aug, probably the easiest gun to use at the moment, used properly it is amazing top.
Ctf Alt Route: Ruger, In my opinion it just seems to work better than a Barrett.
Def: Aug or Ruger, both work wonders with it.
Rushers: Mp5, probably the best all-around gun for rushing.
The rest of the guns have specialized uses, used improperly they can damage your team terribly.
Its kind of funny that I say that, because using mainly Deagles I screw up a lot, I'm just too stubborn to change.
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Spam
Sorry offtopic but; HairTrigger, what is the font used in those "diagrams"? (the white text)
The white text is BankGothic, same as in the soldat menus. Sorry I forgot what one is used in the second diagram : P
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I don't think there is a best weapon. Soldats pretty much a more exciting version of rock scissors paper.
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Spas is the best weapon in normal and realistic mode :)
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That's what YOU think =P
If speedkill is fine, this discussion is going no-where.. =/
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Speedkill has already found his weapon and his style etc. He's mainly a one-hitter. He uses Barrett M82A1, M79, Combat Knife, but mainly, Ruger 77.
This discussion is turning into some thing else =P
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Speedkill has already found his weapon and his style etc. He's mainly a one-hitter. He uses Barrett M82A1, M79, Combat Knife, but mainly, Ruger 77.
This discussion is turning into some thing else =P
Ye, updated list, Barrett, not so much. M79 hardly ever.
Used:
Ruger
Combat Knife
AUG
NADES!
P.S. STM1993 whats ur in game name?
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M79 , Knife and Barret .....
Sometimes Mp5 and Ruger77
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P.S. STM1993 whats ur in game name?
Read my personal message below my avatar. My ingame name is 93. And my appearance is a completely black in colour character, with "normal" hairstyle, like in my sig if I was in Bravo(blue) team.
I currently use Ruger and Socom mainly, playing mostly INF or DM.
Date Posted: 28 May 2008, 21:52:11
Im looking for some sort of guide to the AK-47?
I use Ruger and AUG. But i see this character called 1 go around and kill everyone with an AK-47 and its so awesome......
Any Guides?
Mentors?
Actually it depends on your style and preference. Anyway, about the AK:
3 - AK-74 [AK74]:
Damage / DPS: 103 [24720] (7 shots to kill, BS = 240) / 148320, 6 {Mid Range}
Fireinterval / Reload: 10 / 150
Ammo / DPC: 40 / 988800
Bink / Movementacc: -16 / 2
Startup: 0
The AK is the slowest-firing auto, but deals the most damage per shot. In addition, it is considered the most accurate auto. It has a high ammo clip of 40 ammo and a rather long reload of 150 ticks (2.5 seconds). Its bullet speed is 240, as opposed to the Aug's 260. The AK is the second most popular auto, and I'd say it is the "slow and steady" auto. Most people call it the "Minimi-carbine", because it is quite similar to the Minimi.
For AK, when you shoot, you normally don't hold down shoot. You'd probably tap it shot by shot and make every bullet count. What makes AK superior is the fact that it can hold out in very long fights. A general gun might have run out of ammo and start reloading, while the AK probably still has about half or more of the ammo (20) to deal with you.
Why is it the "Minimi-carbine"?
1. Similar firing rate (Minimi's no doubt, faster of course)
2. High Damage (statistically, Minimi kills in 8 shots, AK in 7, Aug and MP5 take 9)
3. High ammo (AK has 40, Minimi has 50, both can last long battles)
What makes them different:
1. Accuracy. AK is much more accurate, though of lower bullet speed. Minimi is much more inaccurate due to very high movementacc, it only makes up for it with high bullet speed (270)
2. Reload time. AK takes 2.5 seconds, 150 ticks. Minimi easily takes 3.85 seconds, 250 ticks. In a typical situation, the AK's reload is long enough to survive prolonged fights, but with Minimi's reload, you're basically dead meat if you cannot survive a heated fight and run away to refill ammo and HP. Both AK and Minimi can fight in pro-longed battles, but Minimi has a limit.
I personally use the AK if I play CTF, if I don't use the Ruger that is. I like it because its very easy to aim with it, accurate, and is powerful enough. I can last a long while before I need to reload.
Anyway, that's all I have to say about the AK. I have knowledge on the weapons, but most of these are just maths and statistics, and are the basics of the gun. The rest of the info, you have to learn from experience, or let an AK-expert be around to teach you the rest.
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Im looking for some sort of guide to the AK-47?
I use Ruger and AUG. But i see this character called 1 go around and kill everyone with an AK-47 and its so awesome......
Any Guides?
Mentors?
The best guide : Practice. And practice. Learn the arc. Practice.
Try to hit your enemies with every shot and don't reload when it's not needed, 'cause it takes a while.
You can support and rush with it very well.
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Deagles ftw. Used to be a Steyr-fecker, then Rai-Dei's skill showed me the way to be a Jedi Knight.
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P.S. STM1993 whats ur in game name?
Read my personal message below my avatar. My ingame name is 93. And my appearance is a completely black in colour character, with "normal" hairstyle, like in my sig if I was in Bravo(blue) team.
I currently use Ruger and Socom mainly, playing mostly INF or DM.
Date Posted: 28 May 2008, 21:52:11
Im looking for some sort of guide to the AK-47?
I use Ruger and AUG. But i see this character called 1 go around and kill everyone with an AK-47 and its so awesome......
Any Guides?
Mentors?
Actually it depends on your style and preference. Anyway, about the AK:
3 - AK-74 [AK74]:
Damage / DPS: 103 [24720] (7 shots to kill, BS = 240) / 148320, 6 {Mid Range}
Fireinterval / Reload: 10 / 150
Ammo / DPC: 40 / 988800
Bink / Movementacc: -16 / 2
Startup: 0
The AK is the slowest-firing auto, but deals the most damage per shot. In addition, it is considered the most accurate auto. It has a high ammo clip of 40 ammo and a rather long reload of 150 ticks (2.5 seconds). Its bullet speed is 240, as opposed to the Aug's 260. The AK is the second most popular auto, and I'd say it is the "slow and steady" auto. Most people call it the "Minimi-carbine", because it is quite similar to the Minimi.
For AK, when you shoot, you normally don't hold down shoot. You'd probably tap it shot by shot and make every bullet count. What makes AK superior is the fact that it can hold out in very long fights. A general gun might have run out of ammo and start reloading, while the AK probably still has about half or more of the ammo (20) to deal with you.
Why is it the "Minimi-carbine"?
1. Similar firing rate (Minimi's no doubt, faster of course)
2. High Damage (statistically, Minimi kills in 8 shots, AK in 7, Aug and MP5 take 9)
3. High ammo (AK has 40, Minimi has 50, both can last long battles)
What makes them different:
1. Accuracy. AK is much more accurate, though of lower bullet speed. Minimi is much more inaccurate due to very high movementacc, it only makes up for it with high bullet speed (270)
2. Reload time. AK takes 2.5 seconds, 150 ticks. Minimi easily takes 3.85 seconds, 250 ticks. In a typical situation, the AK's reload is long enough to survive prolonged fights, but with Minimi's reload, you're basically dead meat if you cannot survive a heated fight and run away to refill ammo and HP. Both AK and Minimi can fight in pro-longed battles, but Minimi has a limit.
I personally use the AK if I play CTF, if I don't use the Ruger that is. I like it because its very easy to aim with it, accurate, and is powerful enough. I can last a long while before I need to reload.
Anyway, that's all I have to say about the AK. I have knowledge on the weapons, but most of these are just maths and statistics, and are the basics of the gun. The rest of the info, you have to learn from experience, or let an AK-expert be around to teach you the rest.
Yea, thanks STM1993, after seeing these facts i think ill just stick with the aug and ruger :D
Thanks for the tips man.
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No! , don't "stick" with any weapon.. Best thing to do is accept the fact that they are all balanced, and none is better than the other. It's not the gun, it's the gunner (also, the other player's guns, keep this in mind when selecting) Feel free to use any gun as your "usual" or "default" choice, but be sure to select appropiate weapons for the appropiate condition.
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KK ill remember that :D
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The best Weapon I would have to say is if U are Pro...Is the
Ruger 100% ..For 1v1's.
For CTF ya, it's true depends on the map. But there an auto would be best, except if it's a big map, then rett, or ruger, whatever one fits you.
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Yes, unless you're a sawer. =D
But a guideline for me is to always have a single shot, semi, or auto you can use. I dunno, it seems to make me more versatile.
E.g. I can rett or 79, though I prefer rett; my main primary is deagles though I can spas, and my auto is AK.
Just for different situations you use different types. So if there's snipers up a hill just not letting me get out of my base, I would either switch to rett myself, or rock up with AK to bink them out. That's if I don't saw. It would be really hard to deagle in that situation unless you're like Rai... get it?
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I use every weapon. Whatever feels right to me usually ends up being my death maker of choice.
Like today, i have never really used a spas much, but I dropped my law for it as a secondary and owned some people with it, so I was using it for a good chunk until the map changed to a larger map, then I used minimi.
Whatever just sort of flows for me. but my personal favorite has to be the minigun. It's just too cool. I just wish it was practical.
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I use every weapon. Whatever feels right to me usually ends up being my death maker of choice.
Like today, i have never really used a spas much, but I dropped my law for it as a secondary and owned some people with it, so I was using it for a good chunk until the map changed to a larger map, then I used minimi.
Whatever just sort of flows for me. but my personal favorite has to be the minigun. It's just too cool. I just wish it was practical.
Agreed - sometimes I use (mostly) AK-74, sometimes Barrett, sometimes MP5, sometimes Ruger, it just depends what health I've left the guy on and how many people are incoming!
Disagreed - Minigun is so easily countered - loooooong reload, loooooong startup and little damage from each bullet - and it's hard to keep still.
I used to be a Barret maniac - but I was O.K at it, at that time I was rubbish with auto's.
Then I found the MP5 - and loved it for a time.
AK-74 was never thought about - but now it is - I can own people!
It has range, big cartridge, good damage, good speed, and a good arc which is easy to master.
So now - I can use many weps to a good degree!
Although - some people are meant for certain guns - to begin with it was Barret for me.
But times change - in 4 months you may not be using weapons you are using now.
It also depends what MM changes in the weapon department as well - some weapons will become less used due to changes to that and other weapons.
Basically - just find a weapon you find comfortable, practise (WITH AUTOS USE NADE SPAM!) and get out and own!
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I use every weapon.
But lets say you were challenged to a 1v1 - what weapon would you choose?
I myself thought of using all the weapons and choosing them based on what I felt like at the time, but then decided this wasn't too good an idea as I would just be mediocre with all weapons but wouldn't be able to dominate with one in particular..
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I use every weapon.
But lets say you were challenged to a 1v1 - what weapon would you choose?
I myself thought of using all the weapons and choosing them based on what I felt like at the time, but then decided this wasn't too good an idea as I would just be mediocre with all weapons but wouldn't be able to dominate with one in particular..
For me it would have to be ruger 77 or Desert Eagles..... Depends on the maps conditions. cuz deagles kill 2 hits and ruger 77 kills 2 hits.....
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Deagles usually dont kill 2 hits. I hate discussing this crap anyway :/
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I use every weapon.
But lets say you were challenged to a 1v1 - what weapon would you choose?
I myself thought of using all the weapons and choosing them based on what I felt like at the time, but then decided this wasn't too good an idea as I would just be mediocre with all weapons but wouldn't be able to dominate with one in particular..
For me it would have to be ruger 77 or Desert Eagles..... Depends on the maps conditions. cuz deagles kill 2 hits and ruger 77 kills 2 hits.....
DE's are usually 3 hit kills and possibly 4 hit, if you hit the feet. and ruger is almost always 3 hits to kill.
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He probably plays realistic, and besides it is possible to pull off a 2 shot Deagle kill its not easy though.
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DE's are usually 3 hit kills and possibly 4 hit, if you hit the feet. and ruger is almost always 3 hits to kill.
DEagles - 2-hit kill is also possible(requires 2 headshots from close distance)...
What? Ruger is 2 hit killer in ~60% situations.
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DE's are usually 3 hit kills and possibly 4 hit, if you hit the feet. and ruger is almost always 3 hits to kill.
DEagles - 2-hit kill is also possible(requires 2 headshots from close distance)...
What? Ruger is 2 hit killer in ~60% situations.
Assuming no lag. Maybe it's just bad luck for me but I've found that hits not registering has gotten much worse for me recently.
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Meh, i say its all about personal pref.
personally i use the AK, MP5 or the ruger :D
Stay AWAY From the minigun,,, lol :D
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If you are having a one on one, then definitely Rugger or AUG.
Meh, i say its all about personal pref.
personally i use the AK, MP5 or the ruger :D
Stay AWAY From the minigun,,, lol :D
Well I hated minigun a lot long time ago, but I now realize that minigun is actually really good when you're having a big team match. Don't mess with them as if it's an inferior gun :D
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Don't mess with them as if it's an inferior gun :D
Yeah, let them kill you occasionally. Otherwise they might realize what a piece of crap it is, and there goes your sitting duck.
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Don't mess with them as if it's an inferior gun :D
Yeah, let them kill you occasionally. Otherwise they might realize what a piece of crap it is, and there goes your sitting duck.
I don't get that part.....
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I'm sensing... sarcasm...
Anyway, Minigun is a team-based weapon, not supposed to be for combat. In 1.5's its gonna have a MUCH higher bullet speed and faster firing rate (3 instead of 4) and slightly lower damage per shot and clip (but higher damage per second), and -15 reload, and less self bink. Yes, the faster firing rate and bullet speed sounds kinda mad, but that is meant for 1.5, use these stats in 1.4.2 and they'd not work as they would on 1.5.
Why? The boosting effect of the minigun is gonna be lowered, so maybe the minigun in 1.5 would still boost as much as now despite having faster firing rate and higher bullet speed. Furthermore, the bullet push is gonna be reduced too. I don't know whether it can push enemies more or less effectively.
I think the Minigun would still pretty crappy though...
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From what I have played with, it's much more effective than before, a definate improvement.
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barret=best weapon
m79=good and very easy to use, everyone can use it and its for noobs imo
ruger=most fair weapon and good if u can use it
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barret=best weapon
m79=good and very easy to use, everyone can use it and its for noobs imo
ruger=most fair weapon and good if u can use it
[off topic] Who the fuck would name themselves porn......
[on topic] Now I personally think the best weapon is non of them. If you think well, all the weapon have an advantage of one another a.k.a. vicious circle. Therefore, people shouldn't say which weapon is best or which weapon is for noobs and so.
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Ruger is pretty much only thing thats worth using in this version.
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In 1.5.0, the pumped up weapons are Spas-12, Desert Eagles, and the Minigun. A nice upgrade for me because Spas, ammo and damage gets upgraded by 1. Deagles, my personal favorite, get a damage boost and speed boost. Very powerful when mastered like in sna.gather.
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In 1.5.0, the pumped up weapons are Spas-12, Desert Eagles, and the Minigun. A nice upgrade for me because Spas, ammo and damage gets upgraded by 1. Deagles, my personal favorite, get a damage boost and speed boost. Very powerful when mastered like in sna.gather.
Does that mean we have to learn the new arc? Why would someone boost its speed ffs..
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DE's have dmg and *reload* speed boost... not bullet speed ;d
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DE's have dmg and *reload* speed boost... not bullet speed ;d
that make more sense..
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steyr and ruger are probably the most used weapons this version (overpowered or best, you chose :/) spas is egtting 1 more bulelt and extra dmg, deagles get more dmg and shorter reload, not sure about the rest.
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In 1.5.0, the pumped up weapons are Spas-12, Desert Eagles, and the Minigun. A nice upgrade for me because Spas, ammo and damage gets upgraded by 1. Deagles, my personal favorite, get a damage boost and speed boost. Very powerful when mastered like in sna.gather.
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Making the Spaz even MORE powerful? Why the feck are they going to do that? IT CAN ALREADY KILL IN 2 HITS WTF ARE YOU THINKING HOLY bollocks!!!!
But seriously, that's fecking retarded. Please, PLEASE DON'T DO IT!!
I hate the fecking spaz!
[EDIT], I LOVE the censor for 'Sugar Honey Ice Tea'! shit? shit! lol! shit shit shit!
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DE's have dmg and *reload* speed boost... not bullet speed ;d
Feck. Yes.
Settle down Kangs, it's underused over here anyway. ($200 is gunna pwn)
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ARE YOU SERIOUS? Making the Spaz even MORE powerful? Why the feck are they going to do that? IT CAN ALREADY KILL IN 2 HITS WTF ARE YOU THINKING HOLY bollocks!!!!
But seriously, that's fecking retarded. Please, PLEASE DON'T DO IT!!
I hate the fecking spaz!
Lmao.
Spas is actually very powerful, but it is very specialized. If you hate the Spas, you obviously do not know how to fight against a Spas-user. The Spas will own practically almost anything in close range, it can stand a chance at mid-range, and its unique reload gives it an advantage (I know how to make Spas shoot as though it has unlimited ammo!). It has a boosting effect, which can be a good or bad thing.
To fight Spas, simply stay at long range. If you can't keep a distance, you WILL lose.
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X-Rayz - +1 dmg isn't that much, and +1 ammo isn't really "ZOMGWTFHAX" change.
Oh, and bullet push will be reduced.
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X-Rayz - +1 dmg isn't that much, and +1 ammo isn't really "ZOMGWTFHAX" change.
Oh, and bullet push will be reduced.
The latest so far doesn't add +1 damage, but it adds +1 speed, which ultimately still increases damage by a bit.
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X-Rayz - +1 dmg isn't that much, and +1 ammo isn't really "ZOMGWTFHAX" change.
Oh, and bullet push will be reduced.
The latest so far doesn't add +1 damage, but it adds +1 speed, which ultimately still increases damage by a bit.
mid long range spas?
The thing is way out of his combat role.
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mid long range spas?
The thing is way out of his combat role.
Yep... I heard Spas has actually already been very powerful, just that the Spas is probably pretty unpopular with most players. I just find it weird how a Spas can easily defeat a mid-range weapon o.O
The speed is current 138. In older versions if was 140 or so.
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I'm sensing... sarcasm...
Anyway, Minigun is a team-based weapon, not supposed to be for combat. In 1.5's its gonna have a MUCH higher bullet speed and faster firing rate (3 instead of 4) and slightly lower damage per shot and clip (but higher damage per second), and -15 reload, and less self bink. Yes, the faster firing rate and bullet speed sounds kinda mad, but that is meant for 1.5, use these stats in 1.4.2 and they'd not work as they would on 1.5.
Why? The boosting effect of the minigun is gonna be lowered, so maybe the minigun in 1.5 would still boost as much as now despite having faster firing rate and higher bullet speed. Furthermore, the bullet push is gonna be reduced too. I don't know whether it can push enemies more or less effectively.
I think the Minigun would still pretty crappy though...
As I once said in a Minigun-specific topic, Minigun's real problem is the self-bink. It's shots are too widely spread right from the get go and only get worse as you hold it down. Concentrate it into a stream and it's pretty lethal, even with a lower damage-rating than normal.
Anywho, back on topic, if you're still looking for a weapon to play around with, SpeedKill, pick any auto (Aug, AK, MP5, Minimi) and just play around with that for a while. Autos are pretty much good all-around weapons that anyone can use easily. Once you get used to kicking ass with one of those, you can try some of the more "specialized" weapons like the Desert Eagles, M79 and such.
Eventually, who knows? You might be Spas-tastic.
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THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS NOT TO PLAY.
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Trespasser mate, go to the SoldatForum counter and fetch a warning. They will give you one for free.
As I think I have mentioned, SpeedKill is fine. He is improving rapidly and... he just gets annoyed when versing barretts. I'm sure if he's come up with a decision, he has experimented with all guns.
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Rambo Bow.
Ftw.
/pwn
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As I think I have mentioned, SpeedKill is fine. He is improving rapidly and... he just gets annoyed when versing barretts. I'm sure if he's come up with a decision, he has experimented with all guns.
He has officially picked the Ruger (mainly) and DEs, along with a knife.
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I know that, just saying this discussion is going nowhere as he is fine.