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Soldat Interface Mods & Mod Making => Full Modifications => Topic started by: det on July 21, 2008, 12:18:06 pm

Title: OverPro
Post by: det on July 21, 2008, 12:18:06 pm
(http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/420/overprologozx9.png)

This mod was created from parts of another mods, and it is fully playable.
You will find 2 my interfaces (in Costum interfaces folder), and Triangle interface what i think - the best.
Thanks to freestyler (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?action=profile;u=874). With your Triangle mini interface, i won a lot cw ^ ^
In this mod you will find a lot of cursors, nice Sparks, All textures that was taken from another mods too. I don't remember names of mods i took some parts.
Weapons skins, and some bullets that i created to make my own color balance :P
Nades, explosions, you will get averything that you see in the screens including fonts.

aaaand...   I hope, you will like it ^ ^



(http://i.piccy.kiev.ua/i2/fe/08/3c4dcb22d16e9a221cff20d56510.png)

(http://i.piccy.kiev.ua/i2/91/0d/0a1500680f1074ce59db37f605cb.png)

(http://i.piccy.kiev.ua/i2/db/7c/c172ca179381077c85eb5951426f.png)

(http://i.piccy.kiev.ua/i2/5b/4c/b2ebe9e58e48cbeeedbf9bfc8611.png)

(http://i.piccy.kiev.ua/i2/ed/d3/67ed229f81c822ba567f137979d8.png)

Click in the picture to get file from filefront
>(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5338/icqlogomv9.png) (http://files.filefront.com/overprozip/;11179778;/fileinfo.html)<

Size: 17mb


p.s. i am not pr0, name of mod is just name :P
pp.s. sorry for mistakes

Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Exodus on July 21, 2008, 01:09:28 pm
Mod is cell shaded, you should get permission for use (not from me)

Did you make any of it, or is it just a compilation of other mods (except interfaces)
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: det on July 21, 2008, 01:41:36 pm
Yes i maked many things by myself.
Some textures, sounds. i makes sounds by myself using HL2 sounds and sounforge.
Many graphical things like 2 interface, some sparks and Object-gfxs etc.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: TBDM on July 21, 2008, 01:55:24 pm
yay, you used most of other peoples work..(without permission probebly) and released it as a pack..liek nobody can do it theirself..
i'm not cracking you donw or anything, i just don't like these types of releases, it's nice and all, but nothing special, i van release 100of 'mods' by putting stuff together from other people and a few stuff i did...nothing special.

3/5 for the effort and it looking nice, besides that, try actually creating own mods, instead of putting together other people's...
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: det on July 21, 2008, 02:11:59 pm
you dont understand.
I by taking and creating some parts of mods i maked good, playable for cw etc. version of soldat.
Everyone can take parts and "compile" his own soldat, what i done. i just released it.
Becouse peoples asked me about textures, sparks, cursors etc. i released my soldat for this peoples.

What about owners of this parts: thank you very much for your work, that maked my soldat better and more playeble. If i taking some part, this part have hight rate for me.

p.s. first idea to release my soldat was born after this image
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5338/icqlogomv9.png)
created by me today. i dont know where is connection with soldat and this image, but it is.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Mangled* on July 21, 2008, 03:35:17 pm
Using parts of other peoples mods is frowned upon I'm afraid. Especially if the original authors are not credited thoroughly. Your interfaces are nice, but you have already posted them.

Unfortunately, like most people new to modding Soldat you have created a mod consisting almost entirely of other peoples work. Why is this bad? Well, it contributes ultimately nothing to the Soldat community as it's just recycled stuff that's been seen before. Anybody can just throw together parts of different mods they like and then post it... and doing so is just going to give you considerable criticism from pretty much everyone.

The mod also carries a considerable amount of dead weight... It really just looks like you've zipped up most of your Soldat directory. Plenty of duplicate images in .PNG and .BMP, lots of extraneous default Soldat sounds that need not be there. I can see parts of the mod are from a UT mod, .PNG Soldat mod and cell shaded mod. Please, if you can, credit those authors.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Boots on July 21, 2008, 04:02:56 pm
Who gives a poo, it looks good.


That's all you people care about, starting damn fights that don't need starting, yeah he didn't make half of it himself, but he used the time to put it together for OTHERS.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: TBDM on July 21, 2008, 04:26:11 pm
Quote from: Boots on July 21, 2008, 04:02:56 pm
Who gives a poo, it looks good.


That's all you people care about, starting damn fights that don't need starting, yeah he didn't make half of it himself, but he used the time to put it together for OTHERS.

i can create great playable mods like these every day, ive done more of those than you can imagine, and you don't see mee releasing them don't you?
it's just not so much fun, playing with mods that you have used and seen so many times

and on the authors works..
would you like it if someone would use your work, starts releasing mods like these with them and do not give you proper credit for you putting time and effort for creating those guns?
i for one would not like it.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Espadon on July 21, 2008, 04:27:11 pm
Quote from: Boots on July 21, 2008, 04:02:56 pm
Who gives a poo, it looks good.


That's all you people care about, starting damn fights that don't need starting, yeah he didn't make half of it himself, but he used the time to put it together for OTHERS.

Mmh I don't know about you but I personally don't like my work shuffled around and repackaged by others without permission. I think the work represents the author, and while being repackaged by others is kind of a roundabout complement, usually it's more like abuse, so it's, well, like abusing the author [durh?].


Anyways, yeah yeah I know it's just a compilation and there's nothing we can do to really enforce the whole "cite permission" issue. The reason why we cite the original authors is just out of respect, since you're taking what they spent more time on doing... Also, while this mod may change more than a single aspect of Soldat play, I'm thinking that this shouldn't go to Full Mods since it's not... 'original effort,' mirite? I don't know why but I tend to think that "Full Mods" is the domain of original mod efforts.


Oh, and det, I think your little warped-guy icon is ugly. Can't you do anything other than making colored ribbons? :P
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Serial K!ller on July 21, 2008, 04:48:48 pm
Please don't use 7z to pack files to publish your mods alot of people don't have a packer to open a .7z or know how to (or even want to) install one.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: det on July 22, 2008, 12:32:25 am
About 7z: ok. i will pack with  *.zip
About credited authors:  i want to know who is this authors of parts i took, i realy want to place their names to the credits field in my post, but i don't remebmer all of them. I will try to find their nicks, and put it to my post.

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That's all you people care about, starting damn fights that don't need starting, yeah he didn't make half of it himself, but he used the time to put it together for OTHERS.
I make more than half of all this soldat(OverPro).

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Anybody can just throw together parts of different mods they like and then post it... and doing so is just going to give you considerable criticism from pretty much everyone.
Mangled, i already writed about it here
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Yes i maked many things by myself.
Some textures, sounds. i makes sounds by myself using HL2 sounds and sounforge.
Many graphical things like 2 interface, some sparks and Object-gfxs etc.
i am not only just throw together parts of different mods

If some part of my own work (my bullets, or my white soccom like in Tomb Raide, two my interfacec) will be taken by man who will sad: i like it, i'll use it -  i will be happy. And i don't care if he will post some his modification with my mod. Much more, i can say thanks (only if he will not say that my interface was created by himself).

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I'm thinking that this shouldn't go to Full Mods since it's not... 'original effort,' mirite? I don't know why but I tend to think that "Full Mods" is the domain of original mod efforts.
Yes, in my case - you right. Yea, warped-guy icon is ugly :P i can make colored web bottom xD

I respect work of authors who maked their modifications that found their place in my soldat.
I will be proud, if some player will replace his interface to mine and will say about it.

I can't explaine all what i want becouse my english is not great or "normal".
I can't say all what i want.

p.s. Espadon, your Nano 2.1 interface is the best after Triangle mini :P
and please, everyone, dont write my nick in hight register. just det.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: NinjaGimp369 on July 22, 2008, 02:44:30 am
It's great, better than other cel-shaded mods. *Waits for .zip*

Good work det.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Hair|Trigger on July 22, 2008, 03:24:26 am
Hang on.  am I missing something...?
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: det on July 22, 2008, 05:54:29 am
I dont understand why you can't just install 7z archiver and unpack my mod?
7z can be opened in windows and linux. where is the problem?
7zip - new, better archiver than *.zip.

ok. i will pack it in *.zip today.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Mangled* on July 22, 2008, 03:26:44 pm
Winrar unpacks .z7, .zip and .rar

If you don't use winrar then you need psychiatric help.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Espadon on July 22, 2008, 04:09:45 pm
I use UltimateZip which does that in addition to .ACE .ARC .ARJ .BH .BZ .BZ2 .CAB .ENC .HA .LHA .... .ZOO.

Okay, so who needs psych help because they don't use Winrar?
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: NoodleMan12 on July 22, 2008, 07:55:48 pm
Oh shut up all of you. And no, Espadon, It's not like that. It's a mix of copies of peoples mods it doesn't do ANY damage to their mods.

Date Posted: July 22, 2008, 08:53:30 pm
The graphics are really screwy though. This isn't an older version of soldat modded is it? Or new maps?
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Mangled* on July 22, 2008, 11:10:44 pm
Quote from: NoodleMan12 on July 22, 2008, 07:55:48 pm
Oh shut up all of you. And no, Espadon, It's not like that. It's a mix of copies of peoples mods it doesn't do ANY damage to their mods.

Unless people believe that the content in the mod was made by the person who put the mod together. There are a lot of people who have tried to pass off other peoples work as their own and every few weeks we get some new modder who does exactly that.

Who would want to see parts of a mod they made that is a masterpiece thrown together with some inferior content from another mod?

Mix-and-match mods to make your Soldat how you like it, that's fine... but don't upload it as if it constitutes as effort doing so. Anybody can do it, and thank goodness only a small number of people do, otherwise the modding community would be completely dead and filled with the same old stuff repeated and remixed endlessly and pro-modders like me, Serial-Killer and Espadon just wouldn't bother ;)
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: det on July 22, 2008, 11:44:18 pm
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5338/icqlogomv9.png) (http://files.filefront.com/overprozip/;11179778;/fileinfo.html)
Zipped with *.zip
click image :P

I using only 7zip. it can pack\unpack 7z, zip, tar and unpack rar. questions?.


... a new whine about "stolen mods" right?
i told you so, it is not just mod, this is my soldat how it is.
i posted it, becouse it could be interesting and usefull for beginners and more skilled players.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: The Geologist on July 23, 2008, 01:45:21 am
Useless spam from G-unit deleted. 
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Pie on July 23, 2008, 02:40:11 am
God, stop ranting about how some parts were used to make an original mod.
In art, a person may look at another artists work and come up with a great idea from it, that's inspiration. But someone can also take another artists work, the very idea of that work and appropriate it and change or alter specific parts of it, yet the artwork is considered original and good. Even if he used other parts from other people, he appropriated those said mods and created something original from them, it's not as if he got a single mod and just posted it here without changing parts of it. That's plagiarism, but what he has done is NOT.

Stop ranting about how he is crap and how his mod is "stolen" because it's not stoledn it's just used  and appropriated to create something else.

Idiots.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: det on July 25, 2008, 02:53:24 am
Thank you Pie. I am realy glad, that someone can understand my position.
I like your avatar :P
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Mangled* on July 25, 2008, 11:27:42 am
I like it too so I am now using it in my sig, but I made changes to it and I think it's better now.

Quote from: Pie on July 23, 2008, 02:40:11 am
But someone can also take another artists work, the very idea of that work and appropriate it and change or alter specific parts of it, yet the artwork is considered original and good.
Idiots.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Lord Frunkamunch on July 25, 2008, 11:46:02 am
Quote from: Mangled* on July 22, 2008, 11:10:44 pm
Unless people believe that the content in the mod was made by the person who put the mod together.


Ah, Mangled. Always standing for the rights of people too damn stupid to read the original post. Or the subsequent 20 whining about it.

Quote from: Mangled* on July 22, 2008, 11:10:44 pm
There are a lot of people who have tried to pass off other peoples work as their own

Which instantly makes this guy one of them? It doesn't happen that often, and when it does it's blown to a proportion you'd almost think people CARE about this shit.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Espadon on July 25, 2008, 12:49:31 pm
Well forgive us if some of us are a bit egotistical; we get annoyed to see people leeching off of others' efforts. You could argue that, yea, people will recognize the fact that the weapons in here are clearly others', but there's that silent group of people who don't read things that will recognize the weapons as 'belonging to det and OverPro, not to their original creators.' That gets on my nerves [yes, arguably, it's my nerves and not the creators; who knows, probably the original creators are fine with it].

You've never put quite so much work into your mod as some of us have, Frunk [resizing and fixing isn't quite as intensive as making from scratch] so it's natural that you'd put less importance on, I guess, the value of labor on these things, haha. For some of us that have spend an annoying amount of time to make something 'good,' though, seeing our work then repackaged in 30 minutes by some 'random wanker' seems, well, a bit disrespectful.

Understandably, though, det just wanted to share his way of enjoying Soldat with the community. My opinion is that this method isn't the best way to do it and that personal mod mixes are usually best left as a personal thing.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Stryder on August 06, 2008, 04:51:37 pm
nice i like it downloading atm
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: ZMX on August 06, 2008, 08:48:29 pm
Sweet, a modpack.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Magus86 on August 06, 2008, 08:49:32 pm
LOL, "pro-modders."

You people don't even know the meanings of words you use... Pro is short for professional, which means you get paid to do something. NOBODY here gets paid to make mods.

I find it rather interesting and amusing how I got flamed all to hell when I released a compliation in which I actually redid all the ingame gun sprites AND made my own gostek. Not that I think this guy deserves all that, but the point is that I didn't either. And besides that, both of us specifically said that parts were borrowed and that we were not trying to take credit for anybody else's work.

By the way, I would be flattered to know that somebody enjoyed my work enough to use it. I don't care if I get credit or not, as long as they at least say it's not their own. Besides that, it's not like it really matters either way because I get no personal gain from making mods. I don't lose anything if someone uses my material.

Hey Det, don't worry about all the flak. Just ignore it, or put them in their place for whining.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Blacksheepboy on August 06, 2008, 10:09:36 pm
Your definition of professional is skewed:

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12.   an expert player, as of golf or tennis, serving as a teacher, consultant, performer, or contestant; pro.
13.   a person who is expert at his or her work: You can tell by her comments that this editor is a real professional.
Taken from Dictionary.com

Says it all for me... Many professional photographers simply do it for fun. Others do it as a side-job, and some: full time. That is just one example.

I personally don't mind that OverPro is simply a compilation of mods, and a bit of his own personal work. The only thing that irks me is that det didn't bother to label any of the mods he used.
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: Magus86 on August 06, 2008, 10:36:20 pm
Well, when I did it, I didn't label the mods I borrowed from either because I simply didn't know. I just went around the web one night looking for guns I wanted, downloaded them, and picked out the files I needed for whichever gun I liked out of each mod. After having done this, I realized I didn't care too much for  some of the ingame gun sprites, so I changed them. Then I did a little more experimenting with the gostek, and by the time it was all said and done, I had no idea what was borrowed from where. I'm guessing Det did something similar.

Yes, it can mean many different things, as can any word, as long as enough people use it incorrectly long enough for it to be widely accepted. However, the #1 definition is exactly what I said.

1.   following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain: a professional builder.

And besides, I wouldn't consider Espadon an "expert" anyway. If he's so good at what he does, then why did his Halo mod take so long?
Title: Re: OverPro
Post by: PapaSurf on August 06, 2008, 10:42:31 pm
No one here is pro unless they are getting paid for their work, which brings us to a grand total of 0.

Unfortunately, this mod is ripped off of a bunch of different people's work.  TC's poor English notwithstanding, I'm going to have to lock this unless he can get permission from and credit the appropriate original creators.

*Clink*