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Title: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Sir Jeremy on November 22, 2008, 11:51:15 pm: Hello, I just want to run a small poll on what people think the best gun for me to stick with would be..because whenever I want to stick with one, I always feel like I should use the other, and vice versa.

I like playing games mostly defensive, my fav maps are Ash, Laos, Steel, Nuubia..And Im usually Alt Route on most maps that I play, and I'm a pretty heavy nade whore :-\

Any tips, ideas? Welcome to hear em!
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: tehsnipah on November 22, 2008, 11:53:00 pm: Ak maybe all around great. But AUG can take it out from any range because of its faster fire rate. I'll bink the Ak faster than AUG. But always make sure to burst fire with it.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: xurich on November 23, 2008, 12:31:08 am: deja vu ???

ak! too many people use steyr
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Warchild on November 23, 2008, 01:43:34 am: I hit steyr but I didn't mean to. Go ak.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: STM1993 on November 23, 2008, 01:58:29 am: http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=31158.0
^ Tada.

Usually you shouldn't really stick to a weapon, you might want to change around according to the situation and the map. Some maps, a gun = crap, but other maps a gun = superb.

Seeing as you play defensively, try AK first. If you find it too slow for you, use a Minimi. Still too slow or the reload is too long, use an Aug. If the Aug doesn't suit you, that means you'll have to find other guns.

If you don't mind it slower than AK but has the range, use a Ruger. Ruger doesn't suit you, use a Barrett.

If you think maybe bullet speed or range isn't a problem, go try MP5, DEs, Spas, M79.

Try every weapon out, don't limit yourself to Steyr Aug and AK-74.

Btw, it's not AK-47, it's 74.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Ziem on November 23, 2008, 02:42:35 am: Steyr ofc, it's just better than Ak.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: STM1993 on November 23, 2008, 06:35:24 am: Quote from: Ziem on November 23, 2008, 02:42:35 am
Steyr ofc, it's just better than Ak.
Only goes to show that the Aug is overpowered...

...or all the other weapons are underpowered.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Duck Boi on November 23, 2008, 07:35:25 am: I perfer the Ak, it feels and sounds alot nicer. Especially on realistic.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: ~Niko~ on November 23, 2008, 09:00:31 am: AK, 40 shots, accurate and powerful.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: TBDM on November 23, 2008, 09:08:16 am: the one you feel comfortable with, where you play best with..
i'm a AK man myself.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: iStaggz on November 23, 2008, 09:32:54 am: Personally..
The AK is the superior gun out of these 2 in my opinion.
The reload time is great, the gun itself is powerful, accurate, reliable.
It all really comes down to personal preference..
I'd go the Kalashnikov any day of the year.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: client on November 23, 2008, 10:33:36 am: i like the ak mostly, i've never liked the aug, don't really know why.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: PQ on November 23, 2008, 06:26:48 pm: Steyr is easier and steyr is better if you're a pro lamer.

It's AK-74 btw
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Sir Jeremy on November 23, 2008, 07:11:34 pm: Ak-74 okay, how many more want to tell me it?

Also, I like how the ak's bullets are almost invisible.
I think I might just stick with the "ak-47" and m79.

Thanks for the replies.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Blue-ninja on November 23, 2008, 07:13:45 pm: The AK's a pretty solid weapon. Everyone just dismisses it as a generally weaker weapon because of the rate of fire, and go with the Steyr.

I say, the AK has decent range, power and a slight push to make up for it's firing rate.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: LtKillroy on November 23, 2008, 07:30:16 pm: 2 TOTALLY different guns, but I like the AK more. If I want to spray, I spray right, so I grab the HK.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Mitak on November 23, 2008, 08:47:05 pm: AK. Practical, Fierce, Simple.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Brock on November 23, 2008, 11:57:40 pm: AK is better by far.

But I still use the Steyr cause it's one of my fave real-life guns :3
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: nEttsE on November 24, 2008, 01:33:22 am: Well, hardly to say. Both weapons are good. I prefer Steyr, because I know, how to aim with it (at least for 50% ^-^). Everything deppends on the motion and aim. If you know, how to aim with steyr, use it. Same for AK. Altho, I think, where are no hits (as currently they are everywhere) and you know how to aim with steyr, you are unbreakable (I hope, you know how I mean it).

Steyr goes F12
AK goes F13
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: SDFilm on November 24, 2008, 03:51:29 am: I'd go with the AK as it's a very well-rounded weapon for most situations. Though you might want to try out the Steyr; at least as a Minimi player, I've found it to be one of the hardest weapons to counter.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: homerofgods on November 24, 2008, 07:10:05 am: maybe you want to think about what happens to the guns in the next verson? I think overall steyr is a nice choice compared to ak, but ak is better in some situations. it depends on what you like to play with, because that's what you are gonna be best at.
I don't think steyr is overpowered compared to other guns, it all depends on map and situation.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Vilho on November 24, 2008, 01:38:56 pm: I kind of prefer Steyr for it's faster, but it's easier to shoot an AK. It's not too fast, but more powerful and it even sounds better.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Sir Jeremy on November 25, 2008, 12:23:33 am: Thanks everyone for their opinions :) I am currently training with the ak and using it in gathers, cw's to see how I like it, and how good I am at it.

Thanks for the tip SDFilm.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: SDFilm on November 25, 2008, 03:25:45 am: Glad to be of help, Sir Jeremy. :)

And TmTgr's post deleted for breaking forum rules.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: PQ on November 25, 2008, 01:28:22 pm: Quote from: Sir Jeremy on November 23, 2008, 07:11:34 pm
Ak-74 okay, how many more want to tell me it?

Also, I like how the ak's bullets are almost invisible.
I think I might just stick with the "ak-47" and m79.

Thanks for the replies.
Let's hope that you're being sarcastic :D
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: excruciator on November 25, 2008, 01:50:47 pm: Steyr has a better ROF so is a better choice for nade users.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: ElGato on November 25, 2008, 11:04:46 pm: Oddly enough I kind of thought most everyone was a nade user. Plus the ROF doesn't make all the difference when using a gun+grenade, it's more how fast the gun can put out damage.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on November 26, 2008, 07:36:47 am: What AK-47? There isn't even weapon called AK-47 in whole game, but I suppose that you mean AK-74, at least I let it be so.

You are defensive player so AK-74 and Steyr AUG could be good chosen to you as you say, but if you want to have more own gamestyle and be more unique player in this game you should be something different like Ruger or Desert Eagles, I know that those may not be choose to defensive player but I know couple players who at least used to be weapons like those at defend base.

But I'm not right guy to say that you should pick something other than AK-74 or Steyr AUG because I'm the one who is used to defend base by using AK-74. But I just want to give you hint that defending is possible by using other weapons than automatics, it's just harder and more risk, but that's the thing what gives respect in long way. Respect and fame, those are the things what many players wants to have, but can't get.

At least, think about it.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: tehsnipah on November 26, 2008, 10:00:24 am: Okay, calm down, we all know it's Ak-74. Let's just give jeremy time to fix it -_-

So all the people I see, Ak-74 is favorable in all position. Then why is it when I see an Ak-74 fight AUG, they always get teabagged by the AUG user......
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: homerofgods on November 26, 2008, 10:58:50 am: Quote from: tehsnipah on November 26, 2008, 10:00:24 am
Okay, calm down, we all know it's Ak-74. Let's just give jeremy time to fix it -_-

So all the people I see, Ak-74 is favorable in all position. Then why is it when I see an Ak-74 fight AUG, they always get teabagged by the AUG user......
because you are watching close combats, AK is better on range, and it can kill more people because of its clip, did you count that in? and also, maybe many people don't know how to use their gun.
I still think steyr is the best overal weapon, of those two, though
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on November 26, 2008, 11:57:15 am: Quote from: tehsnipah on November 26, 2008, 10:00:24 am
Okay, calm down, we all know it's Ak-74. Let's just give jeremy time to fix it -_-

So all the people I see, Ak-74 is favorable in all position. Then why is it when I see an Ak-74 fight AUG, they always get teabagged by the AUG user......

Yeah, that is interesting then that overally AK users lose to Steyr users. Why it's so? I'm not sure why. But I just want to say that I think AK is more stable gun than Steyr. More bullets, more damage per one bullet, and slower also, and less bink. That's just what I think.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: excruciator on November 26, 2008, 12:01:27 pm: Quote from: ElGato on November 25, 2008, 11:04:46 pm
Oddly enough I kind of thought most everyone was a nade user. Plus the ROF doesn't make all the difference when using a gun+grenade, it's more how fast the gun can put out damage.
Oddly enough, I uses nade as a tertiary, not primary.

Ever noticed that when you throw a nade, your stream of bullet gets a little inaccurate?
Well, if the weapon has a higher ROF, it's less of a problem because one or two bullet is bound to hit.
And that is pretty much all you need.

Quote from: Therier on November 26, 2008, 11:57:15 am
Quote from: tehsnipah on November 26, 2008, 10:00:24 am
Okay, calm down, we all know it's Ak-74. Let's just give jeremy time to fix it -_-

So all the people I see, Ak-74 is favorable in all position. Then why is it when I see an Ak-74 fight AUG, they always get teabagged by the AUG user......

Yeah, that is interesting then that overally AK users lose to Steyr users. Why it's so? I'm not sure why. But I just want to say that I think AK is more stable gun than Steyr. More bullets, more damage per one bullet, and slower also, and less bink. That's just what I think.

Ak's DPS is just a little below that of steyr. But chances are no one can really gun with 100% efficiency. Ak loses to aug is mostly because of the player, not the gun.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on November 26, 2008, 01:12:14 pm: Quote from: excruciator on November 26, 2008, 12:01:27 pm
Ak's DPS is just a little below that of steyr. But chances are no one can really gun with 100% efficiency. Ak loses to aug is mostly because of the player, not the gun.

I think that Steyr makes better burst damage than AK, but it's that only little time, AK makes more stable damage, because of that it's not so big mistake to miss couple shots, to Steyr user, it is.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: excruciator on November 26, 2008, 06:49:17 pm: Quote from: Therier on November 26, 2008, 01:12:14 pm
Quote from: excruciator on November 26, 2008, 12:01:27 pm
Ak's DPS is just a little below that of steyr. But chances are no one can really gun with 100% efficiency. Ak loses to aug is mostly because of the player, not the gun.
I think that Steyr makes better burst damage than AK, but it's that only little time, AK makes more stable damage, because of that it's not so big mistake to miss couple shots, to Steyr user, it is.
Steyr is really easy to use at probably 60-70% of its maximum efficiency. But it gets really hard if you try and kill an good aker solemnly on DPS due to the stray shots.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: tehsnipah on November 26, 2008, 08:11:25 pm: Quote from: excruciator on November 26, 2008, 06:49:17 pm
Quote from: Therier on November 26, 2008, 01:12:14 pm
Quote from: excruciator on November 26, 2008, 12:01:27 pm
Ak's DPS is just a little below that of steyr. But chances are no one can really gun with 100% efficiency. Ak loses to aug is mostly because of the player, not the gun.
I think that Steyr makes better burst damage than AK, but it's that only little time, AK makes more stable damage, because of that it's not so big mistake to miss couple shots, to Steyr user, it is.
Steyr is really easy to use at probably 60-70% of its maximum efficiency. But it gets really hard if you try and kill an good aker solemnly on DPS due to the stray shots.
It IS true that AUG needs at least 60~70% to kill a person. But this actually depends on the players also. It takes at least 9 shots to kill a guy, that is 1/3 of the AUG's clip. Seeing its horrible recoil, AUG has quite a handicap. But I did see few that was able to make everyshot worth it, about two to three people with one clip.

If people can burst shoot and get used to its recoil, then I personally think that AUG is the best automatic weapon.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on November 27, 2008, 05:07:40 am: Well let's go more deep on this discussion. AUG is maybe best automatic weapon on 1on1 situation. Because most of cases you are close enough to aim succesfull to kill your opponent using AUG. That is thing what I dont deny.

But AK is better gun to kill two opponent at same time because of size of the clip what you have. You dont need to reload your gun, and you dont have any problems with the bink of your gun.

And when we are going to think about how much good AUG users we know, the guys who are worth of mentioning, well first in my mind comes Tuksu(tin). Of course there is also other very good AUG users like Text Killer and so on, and what good AK users we know, well Ciesta is one of the best, no deny of that.

So what I'm trying to prove? Well there is more good AUG users than AK users. Why it's so? I think reason is because most/all good Soldat players play only/mostly Capture The Flag -gamemode. CTF is played 3on3 way, and there is one alt-route in most of the official maps. So almost every situation in game is 1on1, 1on2 or 2on2 fights. Because of that AUG is superb weapon because killing one weapon in every life is pretty good result. AUG is very good offensive weapon. I think it's better weapon to offensive playing style than AK.

But AK, is better defensive weapon, why it's so? Because as I told before, AK is better weapon in 1on2 situations than Steyr, because of larger clip and few other things like more damage per one bullet. Yes, bullets are slower, but when you are defensing and taking better place than attacker (above him and few other things like collidors etc) that isn't (big) problem.

And as defending you can avoid Steyr strenghts by taking more distance so AUG doesn't make so much damage. So while defending AK can win Steyr in 1on1 situation. But only then (when defending).

But if Steyr is better weapon and AK better defensive weapon, why AUG is more popular, why there is more good AUG users than better AK users? Well, I think it's because people like more attacking than defending. It's like that in soccer or ice hockey too. Maybe not in real leagues but in Soldat much guys do what they like to do. And don't forget that most clans which are using defender uses one defender, not two defender. And clans which are using attackers uses two attackers (or even three), not one.

That's how I see the case, what about you?

@tehsnipah

Quote from: tehsnipah
It IS true that AUG needs at least 60~70% to kill a person. But this actually depends on the players also. It takes at least 9 shots to kill a guy, that is 1/3 of the AUG's clip. Seeing its horrible recoil, AUG has quite a handicap. But I did see few that was able to make everyshot worth it, about two to three people with one clip.

Yeah, in theory it is like that, but then there is thing called latency in this game what makes it way harder, you know that, dont you?
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: excruciator on November 27, 2008, 08:20:47 am: soldat != real life counter parts. The role of the weapon (def, off) is not that clear cut. Sniping is used mainly defensively, but in soldat it can be used offensively.
Personally I find great akers annoying because of their accuracy.

ehm.. If someone( STM1993 :) ) can find how much DPS you lose by missing one bullet for steyr or ak respectively, we just might find the gun that tolerate more miss, therefore easier to use.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Lt. Sprizz on November 27, 2008, 12:55:02 pm: yeah i say dont even try to label guns as defensive or offensive. They can be used in either situation.

Ex: The Minigun can be used on top of a hill to mow down oncoming players (defensive :P), or you could jump off the top of hill and spray down on top them as you go by (offensive :P).

I startde with the AUG but right now im switching to the ak. more ammo definitely helps multiple encounters. :)
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on November 27, 2008, 01:04:05 pm: Well, what I said about offensive and defensive parts of the both gun was based to Soldat and my own experience in this game, not even one piece of those was based on real-life.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: STM1993 on November 27, 2008, 10:01:13 pm: http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=26975.0
^ I don't think the information there is that reliable, but the calculation I made there is very accurate.

About DOT, AK would always lose to the Aug. Missing a shot for the AK is not an ammo issue due to high ammo, but a DOT issue due to slow firing rate. On the other hand, missing a shot for the Aug is an ammo issue but not a DOT issue. Aug has a higher chance of missing than AK though - and good AKers rarely miss.

AK's better at defensive than offense (though I classified it as Hybrid in my guide since it's kinda the jack of all trades but master of none - the true inbetween of semis and autos). Aug's one of the best offensive weapons. Don't get me wrong - any gun can be used in any situation, just that some are better in one and worse in others.

Offtopic:
I'm quite sad that the MP5's not really recognized though (it's also my favourite gun in CTF)... it's getting overshadowed by the Aug because of the Aug's high bullet speed and indirectly the firing rate too, otherwise the MP5's superior.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Winnter on November 28, 2008, 01:02:44 am: This is what i think.

AK-47 on the plus side has a nice ammo capacity, and pretty good dmg. Negative side. it has a long burst rate, and a long reload time.

Stryr AUG on the plus side has a short reload time. and a fast burst rate. SEMI good dmg.
Negative side, on realistic mod. you cant aim worth Sh** while fireing. The kick back of each shot draws you off taget a little to much for my likeing.

butt. i guess its whatever floats your boat :D
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on November 28, 2008, 01:49:43 am: @STM1993

The way how you talk is pretty close to some Massive Role-Playing games like World of Warcraft. Talking about DOTs and so on. I'm not insulting you or anything, it just feels kind of funny because I have played and may still play WoW so haven't heard anything about DOTs before in this game.

But the things what you said is true. I dont perfectly agree with you but some things what you said, I think you have some point in them and you have made some calculations and you know what you are talking about.

You did list which weapon is good and which weapon isn't in some situations and I'm glad you have made that. Because it depends about situation which weapon is best and which isn't.

I'm now at work so I can't invest your calculations well now, but I will do it later after work when I have time.

But it's glad that there is guys like you who can make that kind of calculations and invest Soldat in theory! You got my respect.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: poopdogg on November 28, 2008, 04:14:25 am: basing on the maps you've given it'll Steyr.. . :)
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on November 28, 2008, 04:47:47 am: Quote from: poopdogg on November 28, 2008, 04:14:25 am
basing on the maps you've given it'll Steyr.. . :)

I thought way before that AK-74 isn't good in maps like ctf_Nuubia because there is very easy to hide behind the polygons. But I was wrong you just have to find the right way to use it and it's almost as deadly then in maps like ctf_Snakebite.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: FlyeThemoon on November 28, 2008, 07:57:51 am: AK-47 is there in soldat ?(NEW WEAPON)

Well i prefer AK-74 40 Rounds in magazine, more damage, fast realoding minus not fast shooting (ok he fast shooting but not the same in Aug)

Aug Fast shooting and fast reloading, minus low damage
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on November 28, 2008, 10:42:16 am: Quote from: FlyeThemoon on November 28, 2008, 07:57:51 am
Aug Fast shooting and fast reloading, minus low damage

Low damage? Steyr damage is only slightly lower than AK-74's. I wouldn't say that it's low.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Winnter on November 28, 2008, 11:45:03 am: Exactly. I agree with Therier 100%. Besides flyethemoon bassicaly almost restated what i said. Except that i disagree with the AK having a fast reload time. If you look in your directory and see the Notpad file on the weapon description it clearly says the AK's reload time is 158, Comapring to the steyr Aug, which is 126.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: excruciator on November 28, 2008, 12:07:57 pm: Quote from: Winnter on November 28, 2008, 11:45:03 am
If you look in your directory and see the Notpad file on the weapon description it clearly says the AK's reload time is 158, Comapring to the steyr Aug, which is 126.
25% more extra ammo for just 20% more reload? I gotta get some of that!
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: STM1993 on November 28, 2008, 11:56:36 pm: Thanks Therier.

If you think about it, for a weapon with high ammo, AK's reload is actually very fast and it doesn't run out of ammo as quickly as most of the other weapons - Minimi, which is the second fastest in reload, is 100 ticks away. At the same time, if you compare to the faster guns and its reload time in a heated situation, it's quite long. Ultimately, its reload is actually pretty decent - it's in fact, around the average of all guns in Soldat.

Quote from: Winnter on November 28, 2008, 11:45:03 am
If you look in your directory and see the Notpad file on the weapon description it clearly says the AK's reload time is 158, Comapring to the steyr Aug, which is 126.
I think you're looking at the Realistic weapons. The actual reload is:
150 + 10 - AK-74
115 + 7 - Steyr Aug
(Note the + 10 and + 7 - Those values are the fireinterval)

It would theoretically take 9 body shots of an Aug to kill someone and 7 body shots of an AK to kill someone. That's quite a big range - but considering the distance bullets travel over time and the fact that no one always hit the same spot, the difference is actually not that big.

On a side note, Minimi takes about 8 body shots MP5 takes 9 as well. Aug's damage is actually lower than the MP5's, but due to the bullet speed, MP5's damage would be greatly lowered when it travels over a long distance but the Steyr Aug would maintain its damage to around the original level.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Hair|Trigger on November 29, 2008, 02:17:44 am: Definately AUG, what a sexy motherfucker <3

oh, and I mostly rush enemies. and I love using it in DM

AK is too slowwwwww to fire, although most CW's i've played, people tend to keep their distance according to the weapon, I find this hard so I just get close as possible and let loose :D

also, a good weapon for prone, whereas AK is about the same when standing/proning, so AUG can sort of close the gap between itself AK when it comes to range. but you have to prone to make this possible
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Mitak on November 29, 2008, 01:53:22 pm: Hah, what a discussion about 10x5 pixels and another 2 pixels flying :D
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: excruciator on November 29, 2008, 07:10:47 pm: We were not talking about the size of your package mitak :0
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: nEttsE on December 01, 2008, 02:18:26 am: I'd like to flood this topic now. Well, every posts in here are, umm, "interesting", but, okay, both weapons have it's own goods. I prefer Steyr AUG! QuAcK!
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on December 01, 2008, 05:17:43 am: Again good post STM1993. And my apologies to make you wait!

Now to the topic:

You just make me thing difference between AK-74 and Steyr AUG over again and again. I have been wondering few things when I have played againts AUG users in gathers.

When I have minimum range to AUG users it have seemed that I have better chance to win him than he have win me. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's the 7 bullets what I need to kill my opponent. I dont include any nades to that calculation.

When distance is "normal" AUG users have very good chance to beat me. Because of that fast fire rate and the boost what their bullets makes to me.

When distance is maximum I have good chance to beat them. I have said many times why so I think I dont need to say it again.

What you think about that STM1993? Am I right? Does my words have sense at all?
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: STM1993 on December 01, 2008, 09:53:25 am: Minimum, Normal and Maximum? You mean short, medium and long range? O.o

An Aug shouldn't lose to an AK at close range because Aug has a much better DOT. But it is known that the Aug fires at a slight upward angle when fired automatically (this happens from the second bullet onwards). If you found it easier to kill an Aug at close range, I believe that it might have been because of that little angle which can be quite a problem at close range sometimes to Aug-users - I personally found that little angle quite troublesome at very close range, pointing my gun towards the enemy but realizing my shots are shooting over their heads.

At mid-range, Aug is extremely effective - has the bullet push, the firing rate and the DOT. That's correct.

Long range, well it really depends, but I won't be surprised to see the good AKer win against an equally skilled Aug-user or vice-versa. AK shots would practically hit more often and can do more damage, Aug's shots would tend to miss here and there though it has the better advantage for "spraying" due to firing rate. Besides, no one fires the Aug full-auto - they always fire in short bursts of 3-5, and usually at least one bullet would miss from the burst. But should the Aug-user be skilled enough at long range, the AK-user can lose a lot of HP.

No one stands still in combat though - everyone would try to dodge and all that - and may even switch from long range to close range and vice-versa.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Gnoblar on December 02, 2008, 02:32:28 am: AK-47 for me, it's like an MP-5 but does more dammage, longer range and lower rate of fire. I still use the MP-5 though...
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on December 02, 2008, 04:16:36 am: Quote from: STM1993 on December 01, 2008, 09:53:25 am
Minimum, Normal and Maximum? You mean short, medium and long range? O.o

Yes, that's what I meant. It seems you can understand me pretty well, that makes me happy.

Quote from: STM1993 on December 01, 2008, 09:53:25 am
An Aug shouldn't lose to an AK at close range because Aug has a much better DOT. But it is known that the Aug fires at a slight upward angle when fired automatically (this happens from the second bullet onwards). If you found it easier to kill an Aug at close range, I believe that it might have been because of that little angle which can be quite a problem at close range sometimes to Aug-users

Excatly, to AK-users, like me, it isn't any problem, at least if you have much experience.

Quote from: STM1993 on December 01, 2008, 09:53:25 am
At mid-range, Aug is extremely effective - has the bullet push, the firing rate and the DOT. That's correct.

Yes, at mid-range AK-users doesn't really have chance againts AUG-users which have same skill level, and AUG-bullets which boost us and makes aiming more difficult makes things even more difficult.

Quote from: STM1993 on December 01, 2008, 09:53:25 am

Long range, well it really depends, but I won't be surprised to see the good AKer win against an equally skilled Aug-user or vice-versa. AK shots would practically hit more often and can do more damage, Aug's shots would tend to miss here and there though it has the better advantage for "spraying" due to firing rate. Besides, no one fires the Aug full-auto - they always fire in short bursts of 3-5, and usually at least one bullet would miss from the burst. But should the Aug-user be skilled enough at long range, the AK-user can lose a lot of HP.

I pretty agree with you but still I think AK-users have slight benefit in long range battle, but it's only slight.

Quote from: STM1993 on December 01, 2008, 09:53:25 am
No one stands still in combat though - everyone would try to dodge and all that - and may even switch from long range to close range and vice-versa.

Excatly, and then there is of course nades too.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: echo_trail on December 02, 2008, 04:43:29 am: Quote from: Winnter on November 28, 2008, 01:02:44 am
Stryr AUG on the plus side has a short reload time. and a fast burst rate. SEMI good dmg.
Negative side, on realistic mod. you cant aim worth Sh** while fireing. The kick back of each shot draws you off taget a little to much for my likeing.

That's a matter of getting used to it. The problem normalmode players seem to have when playing realistic is that they just click and hold the firing button. In realmode, the tricks is to fire in bursts, or one shot at a time with slow raters such as the AK.
Oh, and don't abuse the swear filter.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: KYnetiK on December 02, 2008, 06:27:23 am: Quote
Excatly, and then there is of course nades too.

Shhh you'll wake Extacide
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: ElGato on December 04, 2008, 11:19:05 am: Quote from: excruciator on November 26, 2008, 12:01:27 pm
Quote from: ElGato on November 25, 2008, 11:04:46 pm
Oddly enough I kind of thought most everyone was a nade user. Plus the ROF doesn't make all the difference when using a gun+grenade, it's more how fast the gun can put out damage.
Oddly enough, I uses nade as a tertiary, not primary.

I don't use them as a primary either, but to call them my third weapon would be silly. They shouldn't be in the same category at all as they can always be used.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Sir Jeremy on December 08, 2008, 07:17:17 pm: First of all, thanks for all the posts which have been made, I really appreciate it.

I for one am doing pretty well lately using the M4-Carbine (Steyr).

I find it interesting to see how many people tap their guns while shooting. I like to hold it down and give my enemies all I got; and Im pretty good at it, in close-combat and double killing with just 1 clip.. But then again I am a heavy nade user. :)

I also find, that if I use the M4-Carbine for a while afterwards I am pretty good at retting, and have quite good aim. ;)

P.S I also heard that it's ak-47 ad not ak-74..at least that's what my good friend Ciesta told me, lol. :D
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Chariot on December 08, 2008, 08:12:16 pm: Ak-47 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak-47)
Ak-74 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak-74)

Soldat uses the Ak-74.

Also you have no friends.

Also if you can't AUG, you might as well quit Soldat.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on December 09, 2008, 01:24:21 am: Quote from: Sir Jeremy on December 08, 2008, 07:17:17 pm
P.S I also heard that it's ak-47 ad not ak-74..at least that's what my good friend Ciesta told me, lol. :D

I know Ciesta, one of the best AK-users in Soldat. If not even best. I know him little personally too, but not much though. Anyway, it is AK-74 not AK-47.

To prove my word I quote question number 19 from FAQ (http://www.soldat.pl/faq.html), in Soldat Official website (http://www.soldat.pl).

Quote from: Question
The weapon in Soldat is Ak-74 it should be Ak-47!

No, you're wrong. Ak-74 is an improved version of the old Kalashnikov (see more http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/ak74.html)

If you think I'm lying just check FAQ (http://www.soldat.pl/faq.html) and question 19, and you can see that yourself.

There is too options, Ciesta is lying to you, or he doesn't know the truth.

Also if you can't AUG, you might as well quit Soldat.

You're wrong. I know many players who haven't really touched to Steyr AUG and are pretty good players. AUG isn't only weapon in this game, there is other weapons too. I know that you mean that if they can't handle that weapon, but they dont have to do even that. They can be masters of M79 or Ruger or Desert Eagles but can't handle AUG. That doesn't mean that they sux, that is just their way to play this game. Your opinion of this thing is very simplified and simple minded. I dont really like it at all.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Sir Jeremy on December 09, 2008, 02:54:33 pm: Chariot is just kidding, he likes to pester me alot on IRC so I knew he was kidding.

Also Therier thanks for the clearup, I was actually pretty much joking when I said it's called ak-47, and not ak-74. Thanks though. ;)
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: tehsnipah on December 09, 2008, 03:04:11 pm: Wait, Jeremy, you really didn't know it was Ak-74? It's really been on the weapon's list for quite a while....
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Sir Jeremy on December 09, 2008, 03:05:46 pm: Quote from: tehsnipah on December 09, 2008, 03:04:11 pm
Wait, Jeremy, you really didn't know it was Ak-74? It's really been on the weapon's list for quite a while....

Lol, I did know, like I said, it was just supposed to be kind of a joke..lol.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: excruciator on December 09, 2008, 08:13:39 pm: Quote from: tehsnipah on December 09, 2008, 03:04:11 pm
Wait, Jeremy, you really didn't know it was Ak-74? It's really been on the weapon's list for quite a while....

you people are too uptight.
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: vulbastick on December 09, 2008, 08:37:20 pm: yeah chill out
I always thought it was ak 47
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Sir Jeremy on December 09, 2008, 10:54:49 pm: Quote from: vulbastick on December 09, 2008, 08:37:20 pm
yeah chill out
I always thought it was ak 47

Don't worry, TehSnipah is an old friend of mine, he was just trying to make a joke. ;)
Anyway, keep voting my dear friends, I'm interested to hear other peoples opinions as well. =]
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Bjarne Betjent on December 11, 2008, 04:12:22 am: You should stick with the ak.
A very good reason for that is that aug will be nerfed on 1.5
Title: Re: Ak-47 Or the Steyr?
Post by: Therier on December 12, 2008, 01:59:10 am: Quote from: Bjarne Betjent on December 11, 2008, 04:12:22 am
You should stick with the ak.
A very good reason for that is that aug will be nerfed on 1.5

Another good reason is that almost everyone is using it. Kind of boring to see only AUG versus AUG weapons. But of course you should use weapon what you love to use.