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Soldat Talk => Game Improvements / Suggestions => Topic started by: p0ppin on April 25, 2009, 09:15:53 pm
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I was wondering about this - wouldn't it be kinda cool if soldat had a story mode? I think the idea of progressively harder missions with some kind of hiscore system would keep people interested. It could span a full range of situations (ie, surrounded gunfights, ambushes, boogie slaying, infiltration/metal gear solid s**t :P). It could also be used as a learning mechanism for newer players - instead of being massacred in servers by veteran players, they can build their skills in missions (since normal bot play is pretty boring).
I've done an example of an idea for a first mission kinda thing to show kinda what I was thinking.
Gimme your opinions on this ;D
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Well if someone is willing to do it...it looks pretty cool especially for new players. And making like mission modes and challenge modes would be cool if you get really bored. I'll suport this but are you willing to do it?
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Hell, not sure if this would be a one man job, though I'd happily make maps for this if its widely supported :) and some mission stories/dialogue too ;D.
As for coding, I'm quite hopeless :P
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I'm sure if the maps are going to be supplied people will be willing to help with the coding as you are saying. But as it gets more popular I'm sure more mappers will be encouraged to create more maps regarding this gamemode. Although myself, im a very poor mapper in which I've only made one climb map.
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Well, we'll see what everybody else thinks I suppose :P I'm sure theres somebody out there that can see a huge flaw in all of this ;) As for me, I'm off to bed, night ;D
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if you manage to get mappers, coders and people interested on this this MIGHT work. apart from that it's quite a far idea.
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Not going to happen. It'd be cool to see. But it's not going to happen.
Trigger systems would be good to see, but it's not happening.
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Not going to happen. It'd be cool to see. But it's not going to happen.
Trigger systems would be good to see, but it's not happening.
Never saw the storymode and the storymode 2 by Zakath? I´d like to see this implemented, especially because newbies start at 0. They can walk through the storymode and learn the things by doing instead of reading the whole readme AND you could choose between the special tutorials which could be even appreciated by progamers wanting to get better at some special things like the filipino backflip. Also you could train them in getting the ass from spawn on a climbmap to the finishing line!
I F12 this, and I would help with making some maps :)
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Sounds like a good idea, the mission mod that zakath (i think) made was kind of half of the way towards what you suggest.
filipino backflip
Wait, what? Have you been listening to Jayvee too much?
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Sounds like a good idea, the mission mod that zakath (i think) made was kind of half of the way towards what you suggest.
filipino backflip
Wait, what? Have you been listening to Jayvee too much?
Yes, was a joke for those who know him ;D
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Never saw the storymode and the storymode 2 by Zakath? I´d like to see this implemented, especially because newbies start at 0. They can walk through the storymode and learn the things by doing instead of reading the whole readme AND you could choose between the special tutorials which could be even appreciated by progamers wanting to get better at some special things like the filipino backflip. Also you could train them in getting the ass from spawn on a climbmap to the finishing line!
I F12 this, and I would help with making some maps :)
You'd need a trigger system to make a descent one, and I don't think that's scriptable, though i'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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Never saw the storymode and the storymode 2 by Zakath? I´d like to see this implemented, especially because newbies start at 0. They can walk through the storymode and learn the things by doing instead of reading the whole readme AND you could choose between the special tutorials which could be even appreciated by progamers wanting to get better at some special things like the filipino backflip. Also you could train them in getting the ass from spawn on a climbmap to the finishing line!
I F12 this, and I would help with making some maps :)
You'd need a trigger system to make a descent one, and I don't think that's scriptable, though i'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Like I said you don´t seem to know the story mod by Zakath
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I'm not sure, we don't have any destructive polys? So shooting vent off is inoperable. ;d
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Soldat is aimed for intense gameplay, no strategical crap. This is not the game to do such thing.
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~Niko~, it is not a gamemode for playing with others and it is for tutorials ... you can get that :)
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Its a Multiplayer online game lets keep it that way eh...
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Soldat is aimed for intense gameplay, no strategical crap. This is not the game to do such thing.
Its a Multiplayer online game lets keep it that way eh...
I'm not trying to undermine the foundations of soldat here guys. I have played it for a while, i KNOW it's meant to be an intense/fast-paced game. However, I think when you're just starting out, the fast-paced aspect can be a bit frustrating. How many new players do you think soldat has lost because they went into a server and got killed 20 times in a row before they remembered how to move? It's not like the implementation of this idea will force all servers to be slow-paced with advice shooting across the screen :P.
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No I haven't seen the storymode mod. Of it's a script it's useless to me. I don't think you can have a singleplayer offline script.
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First thing in this tutorial should be: "Go to 'Player' tab and change your in-game nick from Major to whatever you like." ;p
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First thing in this tutorial should be: "Go to 'Player' tab and change your in-game nick from Major to whatever you like." ;p
hahaha
story mode would rock. triggers would rock. if we have triggers, we could get more ppl working on a story mode... (Soldat\Missions\mission1.smm)
and ppl could make custom missions etc.
it deviates from soldat's style, but for a game that's under heavy development (even after 8 yrs) that might not be a bad idea, as long as its original contents stays (ie: the way multiplayer is played)
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Gnoblar, I see you dont get what this thread means ... if we talked about a script it wouldn´t be in "Game Improvements / Suggestions" but in one of the scripting subforums.
Playing the storymode (not mod) can be slower than normal game, but that is just realistic since you cant rush a whole mission in real combat even if you are Rambo and seem to evade every bullet ...
Instead of desperating newbies on servers with progamers they can walk through a little list of tutorialmissions and get into Soldat. Then they can play normally with others and don´t get the ass out of this game. Nearby it offers a new way of doing maps. Mapping community can raise and we will see more of them [pigtail]
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Sorry lads. Unless you can script it it's not gonna happen.
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MissionMod. Have fun.
(Although it may be broken on Soldat 1.5.0/Dedicated Server 2.6.4.)
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well mission mod 2 work with 1.5 however not at it fullest potential because of problems with forceweapon and paradroping bots getting stuck in the air.
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story mode would rock. triggers would rock. if we have triggers, we could get more ppl working on a story mode... (Soldat\Missions\mission1.smm)
and ppl could make custom missions etc.
it deviates from soldat's style, but for a game that's under heavy development (even after 8 yrs) that might not be a bad idea, as long as its original contents stays (ie: the way multiplayer is played)
billion times JYEAHS!!!!!111oneoneeleven
f12 surely! |TRIGERS|! we need |TRIGERS|! and scripts implented in offline game, not only online
i think the mapping community is ready to make some maps but give them Trigers!
ps:
MissionMod. Have fun.
hmmm Hexer and MissionMod are online... cant agree
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Well then give me the link, DarkCrusade and I'll try it. I understand this thread, but I think it's mostly scriptable, therefore unlikely to be added.
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nah it's not mostly scriptable. triggers are not very effective in scripting. multithreading works at best once a second which is not enough for fully functional triggers. plus polygon disappearance would be most useful. Plus specific bot controls are not available yet either. (like making them move specifically how you want to, firing at specific targets, etc.)
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Perhaps multiple map versions would work? Like... after so-and-so enemys have been killed, the map switches to basically the same thing but with a door open? Player enters elevator -> the nextmap would be the same but with the elevator on a new floor..? Just brainstorming lol. :P
(although I'd rather see some innovation with mapmaking, polygons, and trigger effects in soldat ;) animated scenery is nice...but not really a game-changing update.)
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I dont know the name of the server anymore, but it is Zakaths so just ask him :)
To topic: Yes, we would need a new mapformat and a new mapmaker OR an update of Polyworks ... the format would need scripting (e.g. if 10 hits [p43] == true do delete p43 --!! p stands for polygon) and special botbehaviour that should be scriptable too, even spawnpoints should be scriptable, like if player hits [p=12], spawn boogieman on [s3] and s would stand for spawn :)
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This seems a far far away before it is implemented in Soldat as a main thing.
MissionMod is like Soldat StoryMode script.
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soldat://server1.inc-soldat.se:22073 <-- there you go
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I would indeed like to see a new polyworks with .GIF support and the abilty to refresh your scenery list without restartinh polyworks.
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And why not ad a CO-OP play with the story mod.
Eventually the difficulty would have to be higher. More players means more difficulty.
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If there was a story mode, chances are people will play it only once, because stories have endings.
Just look at super smash bros brawl.
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yea, but if we make maps for story mode, it will be in constant update and things.
Also , it could be ,like a story mode...with updates if we want, and maps with situations to play on.
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This has been suggested before, and I think MM has been thinking about this for some time, at some stage it will be implemented, the problem is that at this time MM is still busy fixing up 1.5 and his other games, berserker and link dead. Once all of that is done (Long time from now, probably) he's going back to upgrading soldat.
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I think this Story mod would be pretty neat to implement in a regular soldat server.
As for triggers, I believe if you use some FastIdle methods you can get past the 1 second barrier. No, that doesn't include ThreadFunc because we all know that that is quite unstable.
As for mission mod, I believe you could make the Story Mod a bit more elaborate then the Mission mod.
I'm for the story mod.
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Not going to happen. It'd be cool to see. But it's not going to happen.
totally agree with this, no ones going to bother to make a single player campaign, story mode, whatever, to a multiplayer game.
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Hell, not sure if this would be a one man job, though I'd happily make maps for this if its widely supported :) and some mission stories/dialogue too ;D.
As for coding, I'm quite hopeless :P
me too, i couldnt do that coding junk, but i do now how to make a nice map, and i could do an awsome storyline for it >:( but this is just as hopeless as parachute kits flash grenades and VEHICLES(&) TURRAIN DESTRUCTION, all great things, but meker of game was too lazy, we could have had millions upon millions of players if vehicles would justbe added, and instead of everyone complaining, wecould have been one great happy fragging family [Alphaguy] :'( no vehicles makes me cry
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^^Haahaaah, I love this kid! [retard]
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Hell, not sure if this would be a one man job, though I'd happily make maps for this if its widely supported :) and some mission stories/dialogue too ;D.
As for coding, I'm quite hopeless :P
me too, i couldnt do that coding junk, but i do now how to make a nice map, and i could do an awsome storyline for it >:( but this is just as hopeless as parachute kits flash grenades and VEHICLES(&) TURRAIN DESTRUCTION, all great things, but meker of game was too lazy, we could have had millions upon millions of players if vehicles would justbe added, and instead of everyone complaining, wecould have been one great happy fragging family [Alphaguy] :'( no vehicles makes me cry
Well next time before you post or embrace a shit idea use yer head!
We already got way too many bus to fix, and the netcode is taking up a lot of their time in the maintenance department of soldat...Adding vehicles and destructible terrain (Worms freak....) would cause an even bigger set back and less concentration on the netcode and weapon balance, either go do the scripts on your own, or stop playing soldat...
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Well maybe someone can MAKE A SERVER OF IT THAT BE SEXI :D
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I'll be doing a games developing course in Uni. If soldat is still running (I doubt it, Link-Dead will be for us then), then I'll apply to help patch it/upgrade it etc. I'm very eager to help, I just don't have the knowledge.
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This is a beautiful idea ;D F12'ED!!!!!1!!1!1!!11!!!
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This wont happen, But doing this as an intro would be awesome :D.
You would also learn how to:
Throw & aim grenades
Zoom in & out with your sniper
Learn the arch of the M79
Learn how to use your jets
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This wont happen, But doing this as an intro would be awesome :D.
You would also learn how to:
Throw & aim grenades
Zoom in & out with your sniper
Learn the arch of the M79
Learn how to use your jets
in addition
Flagthrow
some practics with different autos
backflipping + running fast
use of ruger and eagles
afterwards some ricocheing for better players and stuff like that
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Hey is someone actually gonna script this...or are we just giving ideas?
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Hey is someone actually gonna script this...or are we just giving ideas
I think it's just for ideas. If someone was going to script it, they'd make a topic in the scripting forum.
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how the heck could we script that anyways lol
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I'd like to script something but this is out of my possibilities.
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Heyy, this is an old topic but I got same idea, and I think this is going to work, just if we find some mappers, and that s**t. But MM is telling to us a bit that he haves no money much left, and we could make this singleplayer campaign real, but just to registered players. It could save soldat or save soldat staying free, not like WoW. (though soldat being like WoW [I mean payment] kills it) I started new topic for this before I readed this, and we maybe better continue talking there. And I'm the first making the story and maps. Here's my topic: http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=39010.0 (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=39010.0). And it could be a tournament too, at same.
or weren't this cool:
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Soldat's developer is EnEsCe. MM is a minor character right now. At Soldat's current developing pace there is no time to create another buggy gamemode. Making it only available to registered users is futile as well since the keys to register Soldat are -sadly- being spread all over the internet. Additionaly, by no chance people would register just to play this special gamemode. The idea may be great, but if you really need something like this, play MissionMod by Zakath (you can find it here on SoldatForums).
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You really hitted me down :P