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Title: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on July 10, 2009, 07:31:20 pm
I've said it before, I'll say it again: With each passing version, instead of GAINING people, we lose them. For good. Not just because of the version change. You can say whatever you want, but there is only about 40 ACTIVE Soldat servers. I remember 1.3.1 having waaay more. Whatever happened to Hover Racing, modded servers (the ones with hk laws), knife guns, saw only, multimode, fistbox, etc. All those classic modes we played and loved. I don't think it's because they lose interest or because the server just went down. It's because the people who liked those servers are no longer active, or no longer play. Bombski is gone, I think, someone told me he only plays TW, now. And loads of others. And the thing is, this is peak season! It's summer! People aren't bogged down with school and what not.

We need to do something. About Soldat. For scripters: New game modes, new scripts. For people with money: donate to soldat. Donate to enesce, server owners, scripters, buy servers from enesce / U13 / Selfkill. Server owners: Make servers with popular scripts. Soldat makers: Make better/more features, trying your best? try better. I don't mean to be pushy or mean or anything, im just a lowlife server owner, right? I know. But I'm worried about Soldat. Come 4 years, Soldat will only have 5 servers...

Or maybe when you guys finally realize that Soldat is dying. Some gang who knows C++ can make a new soldat with a better engine (scriptcore sucks!) and can encorprate all those features enesce says he can't do, like movable stuff. Changing sceneries, etc. Just make it more moddable. I heard Shoozza and others are making a new game based off Soldat's engine. Is this true? Link dead is coming, but we have no idea when it will be released, and to be honest even though seeing all the videos and such on MM's blog, I'm not too excited for it. MM himself said it's not gonna be another Soldat which we all came to love. Ok, yes. MM is a genius and he won't release a crappy game. But, it's gonna be DIFFERENT. He says it's gonna be REALLY modable, but exactly HOW moddable? Moddable enough to make a Soldat in Link-Dead? We'll have to see. I certainly hope so, if it's possible / reasonable. The thing is, Link Dead is gonna be a WHOLE different game. Some people will like Soldat better, while others will think Link Dead is better. It's a different game. I say we need to make a Soldat 2...

I know I'm gonna get a lot of arguments...so start posting :P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: SpiltCoffee on July 10, 2009, 08:03:20 pm
Public Soldat, maybe. Competitive Soldat still seems pretty strong to me.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: LtKillroy on July 10, 2009, 08:25:20 pm
I still lament the demise of U13.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: iDante on July 10, 2009, 08:26:55 pm
Pretty sure eC hexer/MMod is still pretty full up, plus those HnS servers as well. The Elite pubs also seem to be doing well.
The competitive soldat scene is still going strong, with over 100,000 gathers being played on #soldat.gather.

Sure soldat might be losing population slowly as it gets older, but it's definitely still going strong.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: LtKillroy on July 10, 2009, 08:44:59 pm
I have good news: Link-Dead.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: ~Niko~ on July 10, 2009, 09:30:46 pm
But the point is to revive Soldat somehow. Though Leo's are as full as always.

We need more ppl playing?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: scarface09 on July 10, 2009, 10:02:32 pm
Soldat is much more a success than Link-Dead, I don't know why he isn't working on Soldat himself anymore.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: STM1993 on July 10, 2009, 11:26:25 pm
I'm running out of non-mod servers to play in that are below 300 ping. Gamearena pisses me off with the fact that it seems to keep changing server location - one month I get 200 ping, next month I got 300(whereby I'd get kicked too). The thing about Soldat is, it's not always about competition, pubs are important too.

Aye, people get old and have to move old with life. You don't expect a 14 yr old playing Soldat all the way till 90 actively right? The nostalgia will still be there though, and the game will always be remembered, no matter how much it has declined.

The other reason why Soldat's population is dropping is also because of the coming generation. They just play the new games that come about, but few of them actually look at the older games. They tend to see graphics/features over gameplay and balance.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 10, 2009, 11:35:09 pm
Soldat is much more a success than Link-Dead, I don't know why he isn't working on Soldat himself anymore.

You can't say. Link Dead hasn't came out yet.

MMod isn't THAT active. Most of the time there is no one in it. Hexer is still active alot. Elite SnS, SnL, and PvsN is active...but those are still few. Yes, we are talking public...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 10, 2009, 11:46:03 pm
I'm running out of non-mod servers to play in that are below 300 ping. Gamearena pisses me off with the fact that it seems to keep changing server location - one month I get 200 ping, next month I got 300(whereby I'd get kicked too). The thing about Soldat is, it's not always about competition, pubs are important too.

Aye, people get old and have to move old with life. You don't expect a 14 yr old playing Soldat all the way till 90 actively right? The nostalgia will still be there though, and the game will always be remembered, no matter how much it has declined.

The other reason why Soldat's population is dropping is also because of the coming generation. They just play the new games that come about, but few of them actually look at the older games. They tend to see graphics/features over gameplay and balance.
Why would GA do that? Seems stupid to keep changing where the server is hosted...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: STM1993 on July 10, 2009, 11:52:49 pm
*seems to change server location*, I'm not always right, but yeah, the ping to me in GA always changes once in a while. Nevermind, this discussion should be brought elsewhere...

Anyway, no game, however epic, will remain strong, except in the memories of gamers.

EDIT (Rant):
Bloody hell, GA just made the ping kick value lower. NOW WHERE THE FUCK DO I GO TO PLAY SOLDAT WITH A FILLED NON-MOD SERVER WITH 250 PING OR LOWER?! Do you know how fucking irritating and annoying is it that being in Singapore = easily 200 ping to everywhere else and there are no local servers and I keep getting told by a bunch of people "YOU LAG GTFO"?! Not just Soldat, but every other online game! Then at the same time, if I ever find Southeast Asian servers that have 100+ ping, I keep seeing Mandarin language everywhere! Pshh... I guess people will never understand how it feels to lag everywhere... it's not my internet connection (it spikes only occasionally, but other than that it's good), its my location... And practically everyone in my country never plays the game I would play.

*sigh* Everyone just wants a popular low ping server to play in... but has anyone ever been in the situation where everywhere you go, you'd get high ping? While if you manage to get into a low ping server, you don't understand a single crap there? That's exactly how I feel.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Snow on July 11, 2009, 12:19:39 am
I'm 31. I plan on playing till 91 or longer. Soldat isn't dying, but servers aren't cheap. When I'm back from holidays I hope to have at least 2 up myself. I sure do wish u13 was active and that Fracs got fixed. Those are the best for me to play on. Though I still do have fun on the elite servers. TTW servers are usually active too - one of the best game modes there is.

Soldat will never die. It is a game with a dedicated dev and dedicated players. There is still nothing like it. Plenty of game modes, thousands of maps, animated sceneries (go meatsaws and fireflies WOOT!), etc. Speaking of maps, map making is fun and there are some creative talents out there.

We just gotta stop bickering (well, those that do) and start playing. Community get togethers would be nice too. We can sing, "We are the world Soldat community..."

There is still a lot of life left in this game. I can foresee it being played 200 years from now (in neural implants). No seriously though, I could. I've been playing for roughly 6 years already, so 200 isn't that many. We make the game, so if we bleed, let's kill each other.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MyiEye on July 11, 2009, 12:58:10 am
one thing that really bugs me is that there are so few NORMAL servers!! There are like 2 normal CTF servers to play on for me to use...I hardly ever play these days...but as long as it alive I'll keep playing once and a while. I'll never grow old of the fast paced beauty of a game Soldat is.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 11, 2009, 01:08:42 am
i would create a normal server but it's never popular, the most popular normal server is that france one, but there are normal servers, but they just aren't popular
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: STM1993 on July 11, 2009, 01:27:58 am
*sigh* Now I'm just pissed that I can never find any popular low ping server where I can play and understand. Read my rant in my previous post (its in small text) if you want to know the full details.

I'm 31. I plan on playing till 91 or longer. Soldat isn't dying, but servers aren't cheap. When I'm back from holidays I hope to have at least 2 up myself. I sure do wish u13 was active and that Fracs got fixed. Those are the best for me to play on. Though I still do have fun on the elite servers. TTW servers are usually active too - one of the best game modes there is.

Soldat will never die. It is a game with a dedicated dev and dedicated players. There is still nothing like it. Plenty of game modes, thousands of maps, animated sceneries (go meatsaws and fireflies WOOT!), etc. Speaking of maps, map making is fun and there are some creative talents out there.

We just gotta stop bickering (well, those that do) and start playing. Community get togethers would be nice too. We can sing, "We are the world Soldat community..."

There is still a lot of life left in this game. I can foresee it being played 200 years from now (in neural implants). No seriously though, I could. I've been playing for roughly 6 years already, so 200 isn't that many. We make the game, so if we bleed, let's kill each other.
Mmm, but not many people retain the interest for so long, and even so, not many have the opportunity/time to play a video game in adulthood due to many factors.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: nuclearrambo on July 11, 2009, 02:06:02 am
i have been playing soldat since last 5 years and i agree with you that the population has dropped significantly.
I used to see more than 500 servers with people in it in the lobby, but now there are hardly 300 server that have some players in it.
i dont know why, but its the fact that population has decreased
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Godefroy on July 11, 2009, 02:15:00 am
I don't believe Soldat will die anytime soon, so I wouldn't worry so much. I also believe STM is right, people do get old. A lot of people have left, and more will leave as time goes by. I'm about to start my senior year of high school soon, and I have to start thinking about what colleges I'm going to apply to. I won't be here for long because I'm growing out of this game. Sure, I'll visit every now and then, but I'll grow more and more out of it as time flies by.

I'm pretty sure the new generations to come won't know a damn thing about all of this, because this may all be gone. I'm not even sure there will be any new generations, if not any at all, because there's a lot of s**t going on around you. The old men won't be here forever. Soon, my generation, and the generations to come, will have to take their place.

Snow, you're 31. I suggest you go out and live your life, not play a 2D game and chat on forums. You plan on playing until you're 91? That's 60 fucking years of playing, man. I highly doubt you will stick with this game until you die. But, if you insist, be my guest.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Snow on July 11, 2009, 03:03:09 am
I agree STM, it is a lot more difficult to play as you get older. I used to play more frequently since I was in college, had no gf, only sex bunnies. Now however, my interest has never waned. In fact I love Soldat more than ever, yet I don't dare play a gather and can barely scrape a few hours a week.

Snow, you're 31. I suggest you go out and live your life, not play a 2D game and chat on forums. You plan on playing until you're 91? That's 60 f**king years of playing, man. I highly doubt you will stick with this game until you die. But, if you insist, go ahead.

Oh, trust me man. I have a good life. I love my life. Ever since I realized who I was, what I could do... I've had experiences that only some of you will have (and no, that is not a "virgin" joke). Damn, I've had a f**king good life. Video games: can't give em up. Played since I was 4, on one of those rare table top arcades that supposedly had the mini - CRT in it. I'm not sure since my memories of playing Pac Man on it are pretty much mixed with memories of playing Pac Man on an arcade unit and atari's. Soldat for me is something that is a perfect fit. 2d platform with the realism that I like - physics, not sparkly eye candy. Although I do keep up with current titles. I can't wait to try Battlefield 1943 when I come back and eagerly waiting for Modern Warfare 2.

That, brings up another problem with a shrinking community. Although I do not believe that Soldat will ever die (Well soon anyway, I'd say some decades could be squeezed out of it. Some of the first FPS's are still coveted and have a strong, even if small, fanbase.), the market is saturated with all kinds of brain candy. Consoles have gotten better and now also offer downloadable games. PC is still a very strong platform with numbers off the chart when it comes to games. This includes the exploding indie scene. And lastly, though mobile games on iphone and the android platform are no match for PC, still, that platform too is growing with tons of awesome titles. I wouldn't be surprised to see people sitting in front of their computer, but their hands are glued to their iphone playing a quirky new game.

So don't fret. There will always be a community here. And, sometimes, some just take breaks from playing Soldat. I do every now and then for short periods of time.

Lastly, if I reach 91. On my 91th bday, I will play a round of Soldat and post a video (or a neural transmission). It's a promise and I'll never forget it. Plus, I just posted it, so it's a permanent part of history.

Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: danmer on July 11, 2009, 04:20:43 am
all you people whining about the fact that there are no good servers - it's all in your hands. Really, why would someone host a server for YOU to play on it? Why would someone spend money so that some random kids have fun? I'd rather have a couple of beers with my friends than pay for some randoms' fun.

About sir bomb and multimode - have you been on the irc channel when there were problems with the hosting? I reckon no. Yes it is a good mode, but for some reason it just doesn't want to work without a stable server. Afaik some people were offering a server for it, for some time. Then they quit. No server - no game. How many of those who say it was so good donated even a cent for the servers?
(I know im not Bombski and my attitude will probably differ from his in a way, but i doubt he'd care to post here since he just seems to have lost faith in this community and has moved on)

About MMod - as sad as it is for me, it didnt work out too well and is pretty much dead. No comments.
Hexer is still alive, with two servers provided by EnEsCe. There WOULD be more servers, it's just that only about four or five people donated money for it. Ever.

So yes, many old server owners are leaving, the main reason being money for the servers (IMO). Because since the majority of players are kids with no ability to pay for something, this is not going to work.
(Again, this is just my opinion - you can call me greedy or w/e, but i'd tell you to fuck off)

Peace.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: STM1993 on July 11, 2009, 04:29:35 am
all you people whining about the fact that there are no good servers - it's all in your hands.
I'd like to point out that I'm not exactly whining about the servers, but more about my location and the fact that most people within my region don't play Soldat.

Other than that, I can agree with your points.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Demonic on July 11, 2009, 04:35:30 am
Traditional soldat game modes fade away in the public realm, but as said above, organized soldat is still going strong.

Don't whine about it, join quakenet, get your local gather, mingle with the clanners.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Shard on July 11, 2009, 07:41:18 am
STM's Rant in very small text
Bloody hell, GA just made the ping kick value lower. NOW WHERE THE f**k DO I GO TO PLAY SOLDAT WITH A FILLED NON-MOD SERVER WITH 250 PING OR LOWER?! Do you know how f**king irritating and annoying is it that being in Singapore = easily 200 ping to everywhere else and there are no local servers and I keep getting told by a bunch of people "YOU LAG GTFO"?! Not just Soldat, but every other online game! Then at the same time, if I ever find Southeast Asian servers that have 100+ ping, I keep seeing Mandarin language everywhere! Pshh... I guess people will never understand how it feels to lag everywhere... it's not my internet connection (it spikes only occasionally, but other than that it's good), its my location... And practically everyone in my country never plays the game I would play.

*sigh* Everyone just wants a popular low ping server to play in... but has anyone ever been in the situation where everywhere you go, you'd get high ping? While if you manage to get into a low ping server, you don't understand a single crap there? That's exactly how I feel

Again about STM: So msot people in you 'region' dont play? How about, EVERYONE IN YOUR WHOLE COUNTRY. I need to get soldat noticed more in Ireland. Cause Irish people tend to have good poings nearly everywhere....

OT: If we can drag those recluse people out of 1.3 we could get alot more people into the newer versions.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: STM1993 on July 11, 2009, 08:04:24 am
Again about STM: So most people in you 'region' dont play? How about, EVERYONE IN YOUR WHOLE COUNTRY. I need to get soldat noticed more in Ireland. Cause Irish people tend to have good poings nearly everywhere....

OT: If we can drag those recluse people out of 1.3 we could get alot more people into the newer versions.
Firstly, no need to enlarge my entire rant's font, I purposely made it small so that those who want to read it can just quote my post and read it from there, while those who don't wanna read it can just skip it easily, knowing its unimportant.

Region as in the whole of Southeast Asia, extremely few around nowadays. I do know a very small handful of people who do play Soldat, but other than that, no one. No servers around there either save one or two CTF ones, probably from Thailand.

Those recluse people in 1.3 remained in 1.3 because they preferred 1.3.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Illuminatus on July 11, 2009, 08:57:04 am
And once again I can just say @Snow: WORD!

...kill this thread and play Soldat! (http://www.abload.de/img/typerhappyd5on.gif)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: NTxC on July 11, 2009, 09:15:17 am
When I read this thread I launched my home Rambomatch soldatserver, and it started filling with people.
I love Soldat, and I doubt it's going to die.  ;)  I guess that what this game needs is just proper advertising on the Internet. Almost nobody from my MSN contact list, besides Poles, knew about the presence of the game.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: homerofgods on July 11, 2009, 09:19:30 am
And once again I can just say @Snow: WORD!
Snow: WORD! seconded (http://www.abload.de/img/typerhappyd5on.gif)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 11, 2009, 09:23:16 am
I don't believe Soldat will die anytime soon, so I wouldn't worry so much. I also believe STM is right, people do get old. A lot of people have left, and more will leave as time goes by. I'm about to start my senior year of high school soon, and I have to start thinking about what colleges I'm going to apply to. I won't be here for long because I'm growing out of this game. Sure, I'll visit every now and then, but I'll grow more and more out of it as time flies by.

I'm pretty sure the new generations to come won't know a damn thing about all of this, because this may all be gone. I'm not even sure there will be any new generations, if not any at all, because there's a lot of s**t going on around you. The old men won't be here forever. Soon, my generation, and the generations to come, will have to take their place. 

Snow, you're 31. I suggest you go out and live your life, not play a 2D game and chat on forums. You plan on playing until you're 91? That's 60 f**king years of playing, man. I highly doubt you will stick with this game until you die. But, if you insist, go ahead.

There are people who have online jobs that pay quite good and don't have to work all that long. Or people who have lots of money and don't have to work. Those are the ones that can play Soldat. Their village might not have any body they can relate with and make friends with, so they have to stick with computers.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 11, 2009, 09:32:42 am
all you people whining about the fact that there are no good servers - it's all in your hands. Really, why would someone host a server for YOU to play on it? Why would someone spend money so that some random kids have fun? I'd rather have a couple of beers with my friends than pay for some randoms' fun.

About sir bomb and multimode - have you been on the irc channel when there were problems with the hosting? I reckon no. Yes it is a good mode, but for some reason it just doesn't want to work without a stable server. Afaik some people were offering a server for it, for some time. Then they quit. No server - no game. How many of those who say it was so good donated even a cent for the servers?
(I know im not Bombski and my attitude will probably differ from his in a way, but i doubt he'd care to post here since he just seems to have lost faith in this community and has moved on)

About MMod - as sad as it is for me, it didnt work out too well and is pretty much dead. No comments.
Hexer is still alive, with two servers provided by EnEsCe. There WOULD be more servers, it's just that only about four or five people donated money for it. Ever.

So yes, many old server owners are leaving, the main reason being money for the servers (IMO). Because since the majority of players are kids with no ability to pay for something, this is not going to work.
(Again, this is just my opinion - you can call me greedy or w/e, but i'd tell you to f**k off)

Peace.

This is what I'm talking about! Best post on this thread.

I host servers for random peoples to play on it. I dunno why I like it, but I do. It's fun.

I did not know that. I hear he is still on IRC sometimes. What's his IRC channel? If I had been active here, I would have known this... I can host Multi-mode if he hasn't given up complete hope. Well, depending on if it's popular. I don't keep unpopular servers, but I'll give it a try at least.

Yes, people don't donate. And even if they have a Paypal account, people just don't donate for nothing. They think the server will stay forever, and it doesn't need any help. What I've found to be helpful is to say "If you donate, then we give you special V.I.P. privileges on the server." Especially if it's a scripted server. Spasman did this, and as far as I know he got quite a few people who donated to him. Me included.

EDIT: damn it, someone needs to add that SMF add on that combines posts, like what the old forum had.

all you people whining about the fact that there are no good servers - it's all in your hands.
I'd like to point out that I'm not exactly whining about the servers, but more about my location and the fact that most people within my region don't play Soldat.

Other than that, I can agree with your points.

You can always host your own server. And if you don't have the money, host it from home.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 11, 2009, 09:43:34 am
When I read this thread I launched my home Rambomatch soldatserver, and it started filling with people.
I love Soldat, and I doubt it's going to die.  ;)  I guess that what this game needs is just proper advertising on the Internet. Almost nobody from my MSN contact list, besides Poles, knew about the presence of the game.

Yes, we need servers, and we need to gain internet presence. Most of my active MSN contacts know about Soldat. You know why? Because I told them about it. You can to spread the word about this great game! Also, if you have money, maybe gang up with enesce and start an ad campaign on google for Soldat. That will boost hits to the site. Or enesce himself can do it.

EDIT: DAMN IT, I always forget it doesn't auto combine posts...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Mallow007 on July 11, 2009, 10:55:40 am
No scripts...i dont know i just find them gay...i like zombie servers though
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: The Geologist on July 11, 2009, 11:22:49 am

EDIT: damn it, someone needs to add that SMF add on that combines posts, like what the old forum had.


It's called the edit/modify button.  Use it next time, and don't double/triple post.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 11, 2009, 11:27:33 am

EDIT: damn it, someone needs to add that SMF add on that combines posts, like what the old forum had.


It's called the edit/modify button.  Use it next time, and don't double/triple post.

well i keep forgetting, why cant someone add back that add on?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: UnknownSniper on July 11, 2009, 11:55:52 am

EDIT: damn it, someone needs to add that SMF add on that combines posts, like what the old forum had.


It's called the edit/modify button.  Use it next time, and don't double/triple post.

well i keep forgetting, why cant someone add back that add on?

Because it'd make sense but take time out of administrators' busy lives.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: SpiltCoffee on July 11, 2009, 10:29:24 pm

EDIT: damn it, someone needs to add that SMF add on that combines posts, like what the old forum had.


It's called the edit/modify button.  Use it next time, and don't double/triple post.

well i keep forgetting, why cant someone add back that add on?

Because it'd make sense but take time out of administrators' busy lives.
But at the same time, it would save time, because then administrators wouldn't have to spend time deleting or merging multiple posts in a row made by a user, because there wouldn't be any multiple posts in a row.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: -Major- on July 11, 2009, 10:56:22 pm
soldat is quite stable, people are getting more active.
http://stats13.sctfl.net/
http://stats.sctfl.net/index.php
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Keldorn on July 11, 2009, 10:58:21 pm
Quote from: STM1993 [/quote

I keep seeing Mandarin language everywhere!
[/endquote]

Mandarin isn't a written language. It's spoken. What you're reading is standard Chinese (you know...the language understood by 23% of the world...)

So, like what? Maybe in the next version of Soldat we can include porno maps or something? (although tha might attract the wrong crowd to the game...)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: ds dude on July 11, 2009, 11:13:37 pm
There's only one way to solve this.


Everyone needs to move to USA.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: pavliko on July 11, 2009, 11:21:55 pm
There's only one way to solve this.


Everyone needs to move to USA.
NEVER! go die..
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Klept0 on July 12, 2009, 01:26:25 am
soldat is DEFINITELY dying.  I played 1.2.1 and played for a a strong 4 years...I recently downloaded 1.5 and I'm really disappointed..still full of bugs and the community is a FRACTION of what it used to be.  What happened to always being able to hop in a pub?..now i'm lucky to find an american server with people in it that isn't some retarded weapon mod shit.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Blacksheepboy on July 12, 2009, 01:46:02 am
miketh2005, you sound like me. I've gone and done something similar with a game called Wurm Online - in terms of taking a "step of action."

Eh, all this is kinda true, but aren't the gather servers simply giant rave parties? They've kinda taken over the server scene.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: kasus20 on July 12, 2009, 02:13:46 pm
nub its not dieying it looks strong to me  :)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Gortaak on July 12, 2009, 02:23:36 pm
Wow, glad to see someone older than me that plays soldat! Keep chuggin away snow! Im only 26, heh. And ya, the public scene has dwindled a little bit, but Im glad not every server is a retarded wm server with a socom that shoots missles. Those are dumb. But, the gather/competetive side of soldat is going strong, all though the na community is getting smaller, the competetive side in general is still going strong though. Just hop on irc on quakenet, and join #fractured, #sna.gather, #soldat.gather or #aus.gather for tons of soldat action.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Map Artist on July 12, 2009, 02:25:52 pm
All games, and I mean all games face a population decline over time.  It's a natural process for a game and how the world works. 

Yes, the population has decreased, mostly due to most players are becoming older and have more important things to face in life and no longer have the time and motivation to remain here.  Most due however stop by here and there, but just don't play.

As for servers, with scripting possible, subgamemode servers have become more popular that traditional CTF or DM.  Most people shift between servers.  I used to play only U13 CTF and now I'm all time [eC] TW and !Elite Zombie player.  I changed because traditional CTF became boring and I wanted to try something new for a while.  Ever since I've been hooked.

This game will eventually die, it's inevitable.  It'll be a very long time from now.  However, I can see that the Link-Dead community will consist of most of the current Soldat community. 
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Lord Frunkamunch on July 12, 2009, 05:28:02 pm
Just posting to say that I knew this was going to be a miketh2005 topic before I even read it, and that was enough to stop me from doing so.

Move along, folks. Even if he's not a troll, he's dumb enough that arguing rationally will have roughly the same effect.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Sgt. Fletcher on July 12, 2009, 05:49:31 pm
I returned to playing Soldat after about a year-long hiatus and not only noticed how crappy I was at the game (or are others just so much more skilled than before?) and how the game itself doesn't have the activity it did before, but not once have I had a moment where I just don't find a reasonable server which actually occurred occasionally when we had all of those modded specific sub-servers. Anyway, I did kind of get the feeling Soldat has been through a strong loss of players since last year. What's funny though is that now people don't chat at all, and even if they do it's in Turkish, Polish or some other foreign language. Come on, verbal communication is fun in a run'n'gun game like Soldat as well.  ::)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: demoniac93 on July 12, 2009, 05:51:55 pm
Ehhh, STM pretty much pointed out my problem with soldat, the fucked up location, I'm an Arab who lives in Jordan, come on people how do you think am I gonna get my hands on a server? ...
Anyways, pub soldat is truly dying, servers are all modded, and those that aren't are empty. So he's got a point, and we should do something about it.
Also, the new gen players, the so called "newbs" have nowadays gained an even bigger tendency to become "noobs", really fast. And so even if you do find a decent server, chances are it will be full of assholes and kids, who play to insult.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 12, 2009, 06:21:37 pm
Just posting to say that I knew this was going to be a miketh2005 topic before I even read it, and that was enough to stop me from doing so.

Move along, folks. Even if he's not a troll, he's dumb enough that arguing rationally will have roughly the same effect.

You last sentence didn't make sense, as it was not a proper sentence. Whose the dumb one now? And read the thread before posting. The majority of people agree with me.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Mittsu on July 13, 2009, 01:39:09 am
Just posting to say that I knew this was going to be a miketh2005 topic before I even read it, and that was enough to stop me from doing so.

Move along, folks. Even if he's not a troll, he's dumb enough that arguing rationally will have roughly the same effect.

You last sentence didn't make sense, as it was not a proper sentence. Whose the dumb one now?.

it didnt before, but now it makes perfect sense :P

btw, soldat isnt dying, stop overdramatizing
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: jrgp on July 13, 2009, 06:17:16 am
How about you guys take this as a wakeup call, stop whining, and get your asses into pubs and gathers?

Making a topic about Soldat dying doesn't help anything at all and might actually push people away.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MadDog on July 13, 2009, 06:58:22 am
Everybody and everything eventually dies, that is an undeniable fact.

Even games die. For example, how many people on the face of the Earth do you think still play Goldeneye 007 on Nintendo? The old Nintendo...

In 20 years, how many people do you think will still play the Halo trilogy? Today it's one of the greatest series. Perhaps the greatest. Not in 20 years, though.

If Soldat dies, then soldat dies. One of the great things about Soldat is that it's so easy and fun to alter and modify. But even that will get old.

Soldat had a great run for a small, 2-D game. MM should be proud, but hell, even Old Yeller died.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: jrgp on July 13, 2009, 07:01:46 am
Everybody and everything eventually dies, that is an undeniable fact.

Even games die. For example, how many people on the face of the Earth do you think still play Goldeneye 007 on Nintendo? The old Nintendo...

In 20 years, how many people do you think will still play the Halo trilogy? Today it's one of the greatest series. Perhaps the greatest. Not in 20 years, though.

If Soldat dies, then soldat dies. One of the great things about Soldat is that it's so easy and fun to alter and modify. But even that will get old.

Soldat had a great run for a small, 2-D game. MM should be proud, but hell, even Old Yeller died.

I must be insane for still playing the remakes of the original Mario/Donkey Kong game on my GBA SP, and for still loving the games for the SNES and original NES (which came out in like 1985. It's over 20 years old and I still love it.)

Oh gawd someone come up and crucify me for loving old games which have "died." :P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Death-Knight1 on July 13, 2009, 07:06:06 am
well its 2009 and coming more and good graffic games good FPS games good mmorpg so people starting to quit soldat and play like FPS or mmo thats how im not even so much interested to soldat anymore because im getting a new computer so i can buy and play finally L4D or KF its like that :(
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MadDog on July 13, 2009, 08:33:35 am
@jrgp

Yes, once again, I know there are exceptions. That's why I didn't say something like: "In 20 years, absolutely no one will be playing Soldat anymore. If someone is still playing Soldat after 20 years, a mob will kill him."

So, determine all the people who still play those ancient games (yourself included), and then determine all the people who don't, but rather play modern games (i.e. whatever came out in stores at 8:00 AM). It'll be something like 1:10,000 at least.

Questions, comments, concerns?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 13, 2009, 09:32:32 am
@jrgp

Yes, once again, I know there are exceptions. That's why I didn't say something like: "In 20 years, absolutely no one will be playing Soldat anymore. If someone is still playing Soldat after 20 years, a mob will kill him."

So, determine all the people who still play those ancient games (yourself included), and then determine all the people who don't, but rather play modern games (i.e. whatever came out in stores at 8:00 AM). It'll be something like 1:10,000 at least.

Questions, comments, concerns?

Lets see...*installs project64, goes to online n64 community...* there are currently 446 people playing n64 games online. and who knows how many more probably thousands are playing n64 games alone in their own home or with their friends.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MadDog on July 13, 2009, 09:41:25 am
Good Job!

Now, find out how many people are playing what is considered a modern-day game. 300,000? 600,000? 1,000,000? 10,000,000? 100,000,000?

There are about 6.6+ billion people on the face of the earth. How many play modern video games?

I've heard almost 10 million play Halo 3... alone.

10 million. Now, how many are currently playing Nintendo 64? Wha? Wha-what was that? Four hundred and what? 46? Hmm? Say again?

You're not seriously trying to argue that there are a lot of people who still play N64 compared to the number of people who play modern video games... right?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: pavliko on July 13, 2009, 09:42:34 am
Everybody and everything eventually dies, that is an undeniable fact.
Its just what humans use to think....
Don't think like a human...everything will be immortal...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MadDog on July 13, 2009, 09:50:23 am
Everybody and everything eventually dies, that is an undeniable fact.
Its just what humans use to think....
Don't think like a human...everything will be immortal...

Don't be too sure. People today have no clue how easily our life can be wiped out. It really doesn't take much. Our sun (that bright, hot thing in the sky) frequently vents out solar flares, which are enormous bursts of energy. If one of them just happens to be aimed at Earth when it erupts, say 'goodbye!' to every electrical and technological gadget, tool, vehicle, and microchip everywhere, 'cause we are goin' back to the stone age. Our recorded history will be erased, except the now-useless buldings.

The only reason why this hasn't happened is 'cause the odds that the solar flare is aimed right at the Earth are very very very low. The entire course and progress of humanity can be reset instantly... it kinda makes you appreciate the basic idea that nothing lasts forever.

And that we need to get our a$$es in outer space and on other planets. ;)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: pavliko on July 13, 2009, 10:13:29 am
Doesn't make sense...Humans are one of the most Superior ever made species...if only they will stop being selfish and kill each other for their own fun.
edited:Oh i got a bit offtopic ^^

anyway what i want to say is..
Just look at us...i mean so many s**tty things had happened to soldat and its still a great game...
and so we are here to support it...

well maybe not support but play it like in the old times.. :)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Mallow007 on July 13, 2009, 01:16:15 pm
It must be dying because of the BIG AMMOUNT OF BUGS it ha,that easily get new players to lose interest in soldat really quick.

2nd: The lack of publicity & advertising in big web pages like youtube,facebook, etc, Soldat they way  i see it it's a very underground game (i found out about soldat when i was looking for 2D old school PC games...and that's what I'd google.) Maybe be cause if we start to call for attention we'll be getting unwanted ppl and stuff like that, but that's the ONLY way soldat can grow up, by making publicity and announcements of it.

3rd: The expansion of new serves in new areas of the planet (maybe I'm wrong here about the servers but it will be cool to have all different kind of gathers not just Na,Aust, and euro), other thing that may help would be to have  really good admins and soldat programmers (Not just a team of 1 and admins that get u kick out cause you are Mexican or you missspell their names...)

4rd: More standard servers or variation ones like S&S or S&L or Ruger and knife lol(that my opinion cause I'm not in to scripts....)

Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 13, 2009, 04:13:15 pm
Good Job!

Now, find out how many people are playing what is considered a modern-day game. 300,000? 600,000? 1,000,000? 10,000,000? 100,000,000?

There are about 6.6+ billion people on the face of the earth. How many play modern video games?

I've heard almost 10 million play Halo 3... alone.

10 million. Now, how many are currently playing Nintendo 64? Wha? Wha-what was that? Four hundred and what? 46? Hmm? Say again?

You're not seriously trying to argue that there are a lot of people who still play N64 compared to the number of people who play modern video games... right?

Of course not. I'm just saying N64 hasn't died.
It must be dying because of the BIG AMMOUNT OF BUGS it ha,that easily get new players to lose interest in soldat really quick.

2nd: The lack of publicity & advertising in big web pages like youtube,facebook, etc, Soldat they way  i see it it's a very underground game (i found out about soldat when i was looking for 2D old school PC games...and that's what I'd google.) Maybe be cause if we start to call for attention we'll be getting unwanted ppl and stuff like that, but that's the ONLY way soldat can grow up, by making publicity and announcements of it.

3rd: The expansion of new serves in new areas of the planet (maybe I'm wrong here about the servers but it will be cool to have all different kind of gathers not just Na,Aust, and euro), other thing that may help would be to have  really good admins and soldat programmers (Not just a team of 1 and admins that get u kick out cause you are Mexican or you missspell their names...)

4rd: More standard servers or variation ones like S&S or S&L or Ruger and knife lol(that my opinion cause I'm not in to scripts....)



I found out about it on Game Informer's Top 10 Games You've Probably never Heard Of. Maybe we can get GI to advertise for us again :P.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 13, 2009, 04:18:06 pm
Everybody and everything eventually dies, that is an undeniable fact.
Its just what humans use to think....
Don't think like a human...everything will be immortal...

Don't be too sure. People today have no clue how easily our life can be wiped out. It really doesn't take much. Our sun (that bright, hot thing in the sky) frequently vents out solar flares, which are enormous bursts of energy. If one of them just happens to be aimed at Earth when it erupts, say 'goodbye!' to every electrical and technological gadget, tool, vehicle, and microchip everywhere, 'cause we are goin' back to the stone age. Our recorded history will be erased, except the now-useless buldings.

The only reason why this hasn't happened is 'cause the odds that the solar flare is aimed right at the Earth are very very very low. The entire course and progress of humanity can be reset instantly... it kinda makes you appreciate the basic idea that nothing lasts forever.

And that we need to get our a$$es in outer space and on other planets. ;)

You evolutionists are nuts. The Earth has been around for how long now. If the Earth wasn't protected, SOMETHING, would have happened to the earth in that time span, whether it be a meteor striking, solar flares, mankinds own weapons, or anything of the like.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: NTxC on July 13, 2009, 04:25:15 pm
My first Soldat version was a version without the chainsaw and LAW... Can't remember which one, but I remember that I found it on a Cover-CD of a computer magazine named Komputer Swiat, here in Poland, few years ago. I didn't have an internet connection and I played with bots.  :D

How to "revive" Soldat?

My guess no. 1 would be: advertising.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Achi on July 14, 2009, 12:24:23 am
I used to play a bunch on u13 servers, but they stopped working after a while. My only complaint on the servers these days is that so many of them are Zombie servers. I really hate those. There don't seem to be many "normal" servers with loads of people now, or maybe I just never noticed it until the u13 servers died. Personally I'm a big fan of those giant Teammatches, Deathmatches, and CTFs with loads of people without any mods or alterations. I like the game as it is, not with all this modding attached.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: jrgp on July 14, 2009, 06:54:41 am
I used to play a bunch on u13 servers, but they stopped working after a while. My only complaint on the servers these days is that so many of them are Zombie servers. I really hate those. There don't seem to be many "normal" servers with loads of people now, or maybe I just never noticed it until the u13 servers died. Personally I'm a big fan of those giant Teammatches, Deathmatches, and CTFs with loads of people without any mods or alterations. I like the game as it is, not with all this modding attached.
The u13 servers are fine now, thing is no one's ever in them.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MadDog on July 14, 2009, 08:30:16 am
Woah, okay, see, you're making a couple errors here, buddy...

1. It is scientific fact, agreed by all scientists, that a solar flare, if aimed directly at earth, will set us back to the Stone Age. It's FACT, not opinion or religious belief.

2. Even creationists believe this is quite true. They'll say that God had a reason for wiping out all the microchips... This has absolutely nothing to do with evolution, so whatever in your mind made you think that, needs to be reformatted... the sooner the better.

3. Earth is protected by a magnetic field and it's atmosphere. The field prevents harmful UV radiation from the sun from killing us. That's normal radiation that constantly shoots off from the sun. The atmosphere is 5 parts, exosphere (almost outer space), thermosphere (very hot) mesosphere (middle) stratosphere (getting lower) and lastly the troposphere (bottom, us.) Asteriods and meteors and whatnot burn up in the Thermosphere and Stratosphere. They start as the size of aircraft carriers, and are burnt into the size of baseballs.

"SOMETHING, would have happened to the earth in that time span"...........

Earth, if I remember correctly, is about 5.5 billion years old, and I don't know if you've heard about this or not, but there's this CRAZY theory that we had DINOSAURS, which mysteriously DISSAPEARED. Why? Oh, we're not too sure... it could've been disease, mammals eating dino eggs, or possibly a LARGE METEOR HITTING EARTH. Did you ever hear about that wild rumor?  ;)

When you think meteor hitting earth, you must think "big object strikes surface, makes big mess, but only in that area... not true. If it was a meteor that wiped out dinosaurs, the reason why it killed them all was because the impact threw up a very large cloud of dust that blocked out the sunlight across the entire planet. See, that brings us to the next weird theory called Ice Age. No, not that kiddy cartoon movie, there actually WAS an Ice Age!

Lastly, the use of electricity has only been going on for about what? 100+ years? A solar flare could've hit the planet in 750 B.C., and nobody would notice 'cause, surprise surprise, Romulus and Remus didn't exactly have a Gateway computer when they built Rome, now did they?

For all you know, Earth has been hit numerous times with solar flares. It's only 5,500,000,000 years... Not to mention the odds that a solar flare is directly aimed at Earth are pretty low.

You see, I'm not saying "tomorrow, technology will come to an end with a solar flare." I'm saying, "nothing is immortal, not even computer data, because a flare can wipe it out."

[Sigh], it's like I just gave a Science lesson here. Doesn't your school teach?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: scarface09 on July 14, 2009, 08:32:13 am
wtf??? Indefinitely, Soldat is dying and will end soon unless advertised globally and gains more players, more servers and more developers. In our case at the moment, we aren't going to survive many years to come. 
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: ~Niko~ on July 14, 2009, 09:20:55 am
^MadDog replied in wrong topic...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MadDog on July 14, 2009, 09:24:56 am
^MadDog replied in wrong topic...

Not quite...

Read Matth2005's comment at the top...

I'm just... educating.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: pavliko on July 14, 2009, 09:40:23 am
MadGod get real...it happened and so what?
the fact is that while we are still a live,"IF we want so" soldat will never die and even become famous like all the new pc games ...what ever...
if we want we can make soldat to be a religion and millions will believe in it (play also ^^ )
anyway nya...
you are boring...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MattH on July 14, 2009, 09:41:18 am
I have noticed that ever since the new version of soldat was out there have been a lot less people online....

And I think you mean Miketh2005 not Matth2005  :P

^MadDog replied in wrong topic...

Not quite...

Read Matth2005's comment at the top...

I'm just... educating.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: homerofgods on July 14, 2009, 09:52:27 am
There was less people before the newest version. I think you should all just be patient and wait for 1.5.1, people will come back, and soldat will not die in a loong time.
1.5.1 will be a plus for soldat, and when Link dead comes people will try it, then try to compare it to soldat and we might have a split community but soldat will live on anyhow.
That's my prediction anyway, and I find it sad that the soldat community, and even the admins here, don't fully appreciate the work that NSC does for free. It was less people before the newest version. I think you should all just be patient and wait for 1.5.1, people will come back, and soldat will not die in a loong time.
1.5.1 will be a plus for soldat, and when Link dead comes people will try it, then try to compare it to soldat and we might have a split community but soldat will live on anyhow.
That's my prediction anyway, and I find it sad that the soldat community and even the admins here don't appreciate the work that NSC does for free.
If you trust MM you should trust NSC too, because he has MM's approval. It is fully possible that NCS fix all the bugs for us and thereby people come back, and we will have more traffic on the servers. Although there are less people now, I feel that there are some parts of the community that has gotten better. And if you know where to look, there is always a server suitable for you, wether it'd be gather, realistic gather, NAgather, and so on...
So if you want to help out with the ''reviving'' of soldat you could do alot of stuff:
Buy a server yourself, report bugs, play and invite friends, find good solutions to problems here on forums and help out where you can. 
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: DarkCrusade on July 14, 2009, 11:36:41 am
I start hating topics about dying things ...

Soldat. won´t. die.






EVER! But why is this so? Well, try out Hide and Seek, try to get in that server. It is most time of day (0-24h) full and now there is even a second server so that more players can play at once. This is just one subgamemode as an example: Subgamemodes are coming. The community for subgamemodes are rising and more and more players change their minds about it and stop playing in gathers and that´s why you all think there are less players around. I tell you: Soldats community is growing, there are more and more players. Stop hypotetical shit and better play Soldat instead of crying around ...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 14, 2009, 11:41:19 am
Woah, okay, see, you're making a couple errors here, buddy...

1. It is scientific fact, agreed by all scientists, that a solar flare, if aimed directly at earth, will set us back to the Stone Age. It's FACT, not opinion or religious belief.

2. Even creationists believe this is quite true. They'll say that God had a reason for wiping out all the microchips... This has absolutely nothing to do with evolution, so whatever in your mind made you think that, needs to be reformatted... the sooner the better.

3. Earth is protected by a magnetic field and it's atmosphere. The field prevents harmful UV radiation from the sun from killing us. That's normal radiation that constantly shoots off from the sun. The atmosphere is 5 parts, exosphere (almost outer space), thermosphere (very hot) mesosphere (middle) stratosphere (getting lower) and lastly the troposphere (bottom, us.) Asteriods and meteors and whatnot burn up in the Thermosphere and Stratosphere. They start as the size of aircraft carriers, and are burnt into the size of baseballs.

"SOMETHING, would have happened to the earth in that time span"...........

Earth, if I remember correctly, is about 5.5 billion years old, and I don't know if you've heard about this or not, but there's this CRAZY theory that we had DINOSAURS, which mysteriously DISSAPEARED. Why? Oh, we're not too sure... it could've been disease, mammals eating dino eggs, or possibly a LARGE METEOR HITTING EARTH. Did you ever hear about that wild rumor?  ;)

When you think meteor hitting earth, you must think "big object strikes surface, makes big mess, but only in that area... not true. If it was a meteor that wiped out dinosaurs, the reason why it killed them all was because the impact threw up a very large cloud of dust that blocked out the sunlight across the entire planet. See, that brings us to the next weird theory called Ice Age. No, not that kiddy cartoon movie, there actually WAS an Ice Age!

Lastly, the use of electricity has only been going on for about what? 100+ years? A solar flare could've hit the planet in 750 B.C., and nobody would notice 'cause, surprise surprise, Romulus and Remus didn't exactly have a Gateway computer when they built Rome, now did they?

For all you know, Earth has been hit numerous times with solar flares. It's only 5,500,000,000 years... Not to mention the odds that a solar flare is directly aimed at Earth are pretty low.

You see, I'm not saying "tomorrow, technology will come to an end with a solar flare." I'm saying, "nothing is immortal, not even computer data, because a flare can wipe it out."

[Sigh], it's like I just gave a Science lesson here. Doesn't your school teach?

OH, ALL RIGHT, I thought you were saying a solar flare will wipe out all life on earth...so your saying, if a solar flare hits, then all computers and eletronics will go BOOM. That's intresting...never heard of that before. We don't have cable, :P. just local channels. And I'd rather be playing games or reading fictitious books than scientific books.

I'm not that kinda creationist. If a solar flare hit earth, I wouldn't blame God, he just LET IT happen. BUT, if it is in his interest to stop it, then he will.

The meteor hitting earth thing is just a myth. NO ONE really knows what happened and neither scientists or creationists claim to know what happened. There are multiple theories about why dinosaurs went extinct. But, I believe what ever happened, it was caused by God. Men couldn't survive with a Tyrannosaurs Rex outside their back door. I'm thinking either right before he created man or gradually when man started expanding he killed them off. OR dinos could have died in The Flood...something else could have caused the Ice Age. This is my hypothesis, I'm just guessing. Will scientists ever know?

Also, what caused the 2nd Ice Age?

I start hating topics about dying things ...

Soldat. won´t. die.






EVER! But why is this so? Well, try out Hide and Seek, try to get in that server. It is most time of day (0-24h) full and now there is even a second server so that more players can play at once. This is just one subgamemode as an example: Subgamemodes are coming. The community for subgamemodes are rising and more and more players change their minds about it and stop playing in gathers and that´s why you all think there are less players around. I tell you: Soldats community is growing, there are more and more players. Stop hypotetical s**t and better play Soldat instead of crying around ...


HnS is empty when I go in it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Clawbug on July 14, 2009, 01:16:55 pm
Quote from EnEsCe's blog:
Quote
On to other news, in wake of recent events Soldat 1.5.1 is no longer just a bug fix version. Lots major additions are already implemented, and more are in progress.

So yet again we have to stick with version full of bugs for months to come just because the developer thinks only himself and decides that he wants to add new features now instead of releasing the 1.5.1 with currently fixed bugs and moving to 1.5.2 with the new features.

I agree, Soldat is dying. Too many unfixed critical bugs with no one to fix them.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Mallow007 on July 14, 2009, 01:25:40 pm
This earth stuff is going out topic...n00bs

Soldat may never died "BUT" it can stays as it is right now and will lose players with time cause...come on we'll have to face it, at some point all the admins and server providers probably get a life, including us lol.

Soldat did lost a lot of players from 1.4 to 1.5, even in 1.4 there was so many bugs.

A few of us already got it, in order to soldat to become a better an bigger game it NEEDS publicity, this will attract people, people who can be developers or people with money who can pay for servers to public use, or people with rocket launchers for hands...(wait what?),and maybe it will become a game like CS (soldat has The potential to become a competitive video game around the world like halo or Cod).
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: kersantti on July 14, 2009, 02:22:01 pm
I've said it before, I'll say it again: With each passing version, instead of GAINING people, we lose them.
NO WAI!
Or maybe when you guys finally realize that Soldat is dying. Some gang who knows C++ can make a new soldat with a better engine (scriptcore sucks!) and can encorprate all those features enesce says he can't do, like movable stuff. Changing sceneries, etc. Just make it more moddable.
LOL
I know I'm gonna get a lot of arguments...so start posting :P
yeah
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: demoniac93 on July 14, 2009, 02:24:40 pm
Omg ffs stop giving us science bull on the soldat related stuff, it's annoying, and btw it's not the magnetic field that protects us from UV you dumb fuck it's the Ozone. So don't play the smart ass.
Back on topic: I agree with the advertising bit, we could get some fresh pulse of life back to the game if we had more regular players.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Dusty on July 14, 2009, 03:24:15 pm
Quote from EnEsCe's blog:
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On to other news, in wake of recent events Soldat 1.5.1 is no longer just a bug fix version. Lots major additions are already implemented, and more are in progress.


I bet I saw "1.5.1 will only fix bugs" bolded somewhere. This is fucked up o gosh, why not just wait four years and name it 1.8.0.

Omg ffs stop giving us science bull on the soldat related stuff, it's annoying, and btw it's not the magnetic field that protects us from UV you dumb fuck it's the Ozone. So don't play the smart ass.
Back on topic: I agree with the advertising bit, we could get some fresh pulse of life back to the game if we had more regular players.

No need for childish rage. Dumb fuck.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: jrgp on July 14, 2009, 03:27:27 pm
Omg ffs stop giving us science bull on the soldat related stuff, it's annoying, and btw it's not the magnetic field that protects us from UV you dumb fuck it's the Ozone. So don't play the smart ass.
Back on topic: I agree with the advertising bit, we could get some fresh pulse of life back to the game if we had more regular players.
Yeah... 15% warned.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MadDog on July 14, 2009, 03:40:29 pm
Omg ffs stop giving us science bull on the soldat related stuff, it's annoying, and btw it's not the magnetic field that protects us from UV you dumb f**k it's the Ozone. So don't play the smart ass.

Oh dear... Gee, did I say UV?

Well my bad, I was thinking of solar winds. Must drink more coffee... Now, tell me, are you really proud of yourself for throwing a tantrum like a 3 year old over a small mistake, or are you kinda wishing you didn't sound like an immature kiddy and acquire 15 warning points at the same time? Good job, no really, that was brilliant.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 14, 2009, 04:47:40 pm
I got 45 warning points just for bumping a topic :D
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: demoniac93 on July 14, 2009, 07:31:58 pm
I got 15 for saying dumb fuck...Wow.
I wonder why that doesn't happen during indirect (Yet obvious) flaming...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: ~Niko~ on July 14, 2009, 08:38:40 pm
Quote
On to other news, in wake of recent events Soldat 1.5.1 is no longer just a bug fix version. Lots major additions are already implemented, and more are in progress.
Get glasses. You all read what you want.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: croat1gamer on July 14, 2009, 09:05:13 pm
Seems like we wont get 1.5 at all.
We'll get 1.6 >_>
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Dusty on July 15, 2009, 06:20:58 am
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On to other news, in wake of recent events Soldat 1.5.1 is no longer just a bug fix version. Lots major additions are already implemented, and more are in progress.
Get glasses. You all read what you want.

A bug fix version is a bug fix version. There's no such thing as a bug fix version with new stuff. The point is that it was supposed to be ONLY a fix.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MadDog on July 15, 2009, 06:54:18 am
As to Soldat dying...

The only person who really knows the true answer to that statement is MM, because at the end of the day, it's money that makes the world go round. When people shell out $10 for the Registered Soldat version, that's $10 in MM's pocket. The more money he makes, the more invested he is in Soldat, and the stronger the game is. Your not gonna abandon a big money-maker.

However, the less people shell out $10 for the Reg version, the less money he makes, and the less enticed he is to keep investing his time and energy in the game.

So, if less and less people are paying for Soldat, then yes, it is slowly dying.

Now, what part of that simple logic does not make sense? If you're personally scared of Soldat dying, well I feel for you, but please don't get all upset over this.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: homerofgods on July 15, 2009, 10:34:18 am
I don't agree to that logic, because even if noone play soldat, MM would still love soldat.
But the kind of ''dying'' we are talking about here is how many people are playing.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: scarface09 on July 15, 2009, 10:35:05 am
Seems like we wont get 1.5 at all.
We'll get 1.6 >_>

Seems like we will be packed with more unexpected bugs.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: homerofgods on July 15, 2009, 10:39:22 am
Seems like we wont get 1.5 at all.
We'll get 1.6 >_>

Seems like we will be packed with more unexpected bugs.
N S C will ofc add some new stuff if he sees it necessary to do it now, there could be things that has to be done now, or things that would be done now or never. He knows that we all want bug fixes so he's not gonna go completely away from that, but I'm sure if he had explained why he have to add some more stuff now you'd understand it, so just f---ing trust him. :p

btw I also got a rather questionable warning, I'm just lol'ing it though, I guess it's hammertime.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Mittsu on July 15, 2009, 11:58:21 am
so just f---ing trust him. :p

...right


anyway, he is fixing the bugs, whine is unnecessary, and this thread is full of crap

enjoy the game people
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MetsuriTossavainen on July 15, 2009, 12:23:37 pm
I hope all this drama has taught us something.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: amb2010 on July 15, 2009, 12:36:53 pm
I'm surprised this topic is still alive with all the random bable going on, either way though all games get a decline in the number of players and will eventually die, just something you have to live with. Also at least 1.5.1 was initially focused on bugs so hopefully the current bugs will get fixed without getting too many new ones(I really doubt soldat will ever be 100% bug free)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Shadow_Knight on July 15, 2009, 01:04:17 pm
no game is. Still, i really think public games are the ones lacking ppl. We need public servers.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: jrgp on July 15, 2009, 02:15:36 pm
no game is. Still, i really think public games are the ones lacking ppl. We need public servers.
We have loads of them (http://rr.soldat.pl/?sort=&dir=up&country=&os=&version=&be=&bots=&real=&survival=&advanced=&pw=no&wm=&players=&gt=). They're almost always empty though.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 15, 2009, 04:51:28 pm
At the time I checked there was only 5 full servers...

70 give or take a few populated servers.

394 give or take a few players.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: -Major- on July 15, 2009, 06:21:22 pm
Omg ffs stop giving us science bull on the soldat related stuff, it's annoying, and btw it's not the magnetic field that protects us from UV you dumb f**k it's the Ozone. So don't play the smart ass.
Back on topic: I agree with the advertising bit, we could get some fresh pulse of life back to the game if we had more regular players.
dumb-fuck, it's the magnetic field that makes the ozone. (I think)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MadDog on July 15, 2009, 06:33:06 pm
Omg ffs stop giving us science bull on the soldat related stuff, it's annoying, and btw it's not the magnetic field that protects us from UV you dumb f**k it's the Ozone. So don't play the smart ass.
Back on topic: I agree with the advertising bit, we could get some fresh pulse of life back to the game if we had more regular players.
dumb-f**k, it's the magnetic field that makes the ozone. (I think)

Well maybe, but actually, he was right, 'cause I was thinking of solar winds and put UV (slaps head). [Wake up...]

Demonaic93's mistake was cursing when it wasn't needed. He needs Anger Management...or a good smack on the head.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 15, 2009, 09:37:42 pm
Omg ffs stop giving us science bull on the soldat related stuff, it's annoying, and btw it's not the magnetic field that protects us from UV you dumb f**k it's the Ozone. So don't play the smart ass.
Back on topic: I agree with the advertising bit, we could get some fresh pulse of life back to the game if we had more regular players.
dumb-f**k, it's the magnetic field that makes the ozone. (I think)

Well maybe, but actually, he was right, 'cause I was thinking of solar winds and put UV (slaps head). [Wake up...]

Demonaic93's mistake was cursing when it wasn't needed. He needs Anger Management...or a good smack on the head.

He said it's the magnetic field that MAKES the ozone. Is this true?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: LtKillroy on July 15, 2009, 10:48:27 pm
And furthermore, how does it have anything to do with soldat?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 15, 2009, 11:18:44 pm
And furthermore, how does it have anything to do with soldat?

It's about soldat dying. Everything dies, even computers if a solar ray hits the earth.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Shinobars on July 15, 2009, 11:30:42 pm
Soldat won't die as long as the people who are playing right now don't quit playing it. I honestly don't see Poop ever quitting, despite what he suggests.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: -Major- on July 16, 2009, 05:01:12 am
Soldat won't die as long as the people who are playing right now don't quit playing it. I honestly don't see Poop ever quitting, despite what he suggests.
a 1 man game...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: danmer on July 16, 2009, 10:38:56 am
i just cant resist saying you guys are fucking epic... You made my day with the solar shit, thank you (http://forums.cncden.com/images/smilies/moosmilies/roflmao.gif)

Quote
It's about soldat dying. Everything dies, even computers if a solar ray hits the earth.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Splinter-Snake on July 16, 2009, 12:13:25 pm
Why do we lose people? Because Soldat gets progressively worse. And right now it's a pile of access code violations/errors. What kind of a game is one that gives you an error when you kill someone who has too long of a name?

That. Is. Laughable.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Leo on July 16, 2009, 12:22:50 pm
First thing is to make servers stable. There can't be more and better servers if you get access violations all the time in any modern machine. It's up to enesce to fix these errors and let us, server owners, build better servers.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: scarface09 on July 16, 2009, 06:36:17 pm
First thing we need is MM ditching that stupid Link-Dead and working on his best success.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Sotija on July 17, 2009, 03:23:40 am
Well, everything dies at some point, but Soldat has time left enough.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: bxn on July 17, 2009, 03:54:12 am
I don't think Soldat will ever die. It won't be as popular in the future though.
It is.. afterall a 2D game.

Team Fortress 2 FTW!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: jrgp on July 17, 2009, 07:06:30 am
Come to think of it, the only things who actually die are people. Technology and software always lives on in some form or another.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: DarkCrusade on July 17, 2009, 07:33:22 am
Come to think of it, the only things who actually die are people. Technology and software always lives on in some form or another.

That´s right. Just take the old SNES games as an example :)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: homerofgods on July 17, 2009, 09:58:58 am
First thing we need is MM ditching that stupid Link-Dead and working on his best success.
We could hope that he comes back to soldat after he is done adventuring:P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: xurich on July 17, 2009, 12:49:09 pm
Soldat's gonna die because a lot of people are having trouble playing it on next generation operating systems (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35153.0)!!!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: jrgp on July 17, 2009, 01:02:33 pm
Soldat's gonna die because a lot of people are having trouble playing it on next generation operating systems (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35153.0)!!!

yeah.. The fact that soldat's written in an obsolete deprecated language doesn't help much. A complete rewrite might be the only answer... http://opensoldat.u13.net
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: ~Niko~ on July 17, 2009, 01:22:16 pm
I'll stay in XP as long as I can, I just... don't want to change x)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: homerofgods on July 18, 2009, 10:14:00 am
I'll stay in XP as long as I can, I just... don't want to change x)
same here, Atleast wait and see how good windows 7 is, and if I can get used to it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: -Major- on July 18, 2009, 05:18:18 pm
I'll stay in XP as long as I can, I just... don't want to change x)
same here, Atleast wait and see how good windows 7 is, and if I can get used to it.
it's decent, trying it on my notebook now (sadly enough there's no drivers for it to XP) it's way faster than Vista.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Dpulse on July 18, 2009, 06:49:53 pm
The new server i put up has knife guns Chop N' Shop =), soldat will always live on!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Espadon on July 19, 2009, 01:45:22 am
Omg ffs stop giving us science bull on the soldat related stuff, it's annoying, and btw it's not the magnetic field that protects us from UV you dumb f**k it's the Ozone. So don't play the smart ass.
Back on topic: I agree with the advertising bit, we could get some fresh pulse of life back to the game if we had more regular players.
dumb-f**k, it's the magnetic field that makes the ozone. (I think)

Well maybe, but actually, he was right, 'cause I was thinking of solar winds and put UV (slaps head). [Wake up...]

Demonaic93's mistake was cursing when it wasn't needed. He needs Anger Management...or a good smack on the head.

He said it's the magnetic field that MAKES the ozone. Is this true?

UV breaks o2 to make ozone which blocks UV in turn. Get it? Magnetic field is totally different and has no bearing whatsoever on the ozone layer.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Kazuki on July 19, 2009, 07:40:02 am
http://opensoldat.u13.net
I'm actually rather excited to see where this leads. Same gameplay, improved netcode and interface. I'll take it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: L[0ne]R on July 20, 2009, 08:18:55 pm
Hopefully some day Soldat will be completely remade (Soldat 2 FTW?). It's a great, successful game, so even if it dies - some day it'll be reborn once again. Or at least I hope so.

upd: openSoldat - reeeeeeeeeeeeally looking forward to it and wish you best of luck. Balance, maps, everything is already done. It just needs to be recoded.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Z i p p y on July 24, 2009, 06:08:59 pm
I haven't played this game for as long as you, but I personally like Soldat when there aren't so many players. One thing I do notice is that they're really isn't that many new players coming into the game. We need more advertising or something to get a good flow of new players.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 24, 2009, 07:22:49 pm
I personally like Soldat when there aren't many players.

Good luck playing by yourself, then, lol.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: MetsuriTossavainen on July 25, 2009, 03:05:33 am
I personally like Soldat when there aren't many players.

Good luck playing by yourself, then, lol.
I agree with Zippy. I have played in a server and there was about 15 on both sides and it was just a pure torture.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: STM1993 on July 25, 2009, 04:32:16 am
Actually, its better to have more players, but less per server.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Jaedong on July 25, 2009, 05:51:17 am
Well there's a lot of errors prohibiting a lot of players playing 1.5 meaning a lot less players in public servers. However, I think the competitive scene is always growing which is good.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: LtKillroy on July 25, 2009, 01:34:23 pm
Anything with U13 in its name will be seriously considered by me.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: 1 hit k0 on July 27, 2009, 05:22:27 am
I just play :S
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: demoniac93 on July 28, 2009, 07:02:02 pm
Eh, it's actually said that the fastest way to get skill is playing 32 player DM's. Which I've found to be quite true.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Sauron on August 04, 2009, 04:07:54 am
Yes, Soldat is going to his end, slowly but going. I stopped playing too for some time, maybe forever, I get annoyed from big delays between new releases. For example waiting months for some bug fix for 1.5 and still nothing released. Since 1.5 release nobody can watch his demos properly, DM matches are corrupted etc. but ofc. why release bugfix version soon as possible, it`s better to wait months and add new features like in 1.4.2 - 1.5. ;d  With this style you can`t expect that Soldat will be getting more popularity.

R.I.P

Example:
http://www.xfire.com/games/soldat/Soldat/
Xfire Rank
#169    down from #165 yesterday
Highest: #40 on 2004-04-07

And similar on one gaming portal from 100+ players in 2006 now 30-40+.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: -Major- on August 04, 2009, 05:02:46 am
they haven't realized that you can have more than up to .2 in a version name, it could even be 1.5.13, it's still a valid version name.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: echo_trail on August 04, 2009, 05:23:44 am
Yes, obviously that's the big issue here.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: -Major- on August 04, 2009, 07:04:59 am
Yes, obviously that's the big issue here.
I don't know how it works with the servers, but fixing 1 bug and make an update works very well.
this would give a lot of updates, but just using the auto update feature that soldat has, but is not used.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: homerofgods on August 04, 2009, 09:49:43 am
More frequent updates would be cool, but it means more work.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: numgun on August 06, 2009, 05:54:24 am
This thread is bullshit.

Soldat is an awesome game and its unique on its own.
I still play soldat from time to time and it never gets old.




...whoa. that just rhymed. :D
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: PQ on August 06, 2009, 09:01:14 am
Yes, Soldat is going to his end, slowly but going. I stopped playing too for some time, maybe forever, I get annoyed from big delays between new releases. For example waiting months for some bug fix for 1.5 and still nothing released. Since 1.5 release nobody can watch his demos properly, DM matches are corrupted etc. but ofc. why release bugfix version soon as possible, it`s better to wait months and add new features like in 1.4.2 - 1.5. ;d  With this style you can`t expect that Soldat will be getting more popularity.

R.I.P

Example:
http://www.xfire.com/games/soldat/Soldat/
Xfire Rank
#169    down from #165 yesterday
Highest: #40 on 2004-04-07

And similar on one gaming portal from 100+ players in 2006 now 30-40+.
Remember that BE doesn't allow XFire to monitor soldat games anymore

This thread is bulls**t.

Soldat is an awesome game and its unique on its own.
I still play soldat from time to time and it never gets old.




...whoa. that just rhymed. :D
Must be a very diffecult rhyme scheme.. (?)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: jg0204 on August 07, 2009, 02:13:41 pm
c'mon,soldat dying? ouch,maybe...sometimes i go play and there is no brazilian servers to enter,and even americans!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: AntiHero on August 07, 2009, 04:26:07 pm
Hmm soldat seems pretty good to me not many people are going away from soldat from each passing version well for me at least
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on August 09, 2009, 04:00:11 pm
Well, if people would just buy some damn cheap server hosting (49c/player), then they will be supporting soldat and helping it not to die. Click here to buy server hosting / more info. (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35548)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: 1ronclaw on August 11, 2009, 02:45:42 am
I started playing soldat about 2 years ago but took a break and just recently started again. I've noticed a large difference in the number of players. I think a big problem is getting new players to stay. I have been having trouble getting back up to my old level of skill, so maybe some sort of "noobs only" server or something to help new players get some practice might help, but I don't know if that would even be possible.

On another note, maybe if people focused more on having fun than winning then they wouldn't feel like the game had so many bugs. Maybe it's just because I'm so rusty, but I haven't noticed anything dramatic besides the sometimes missing data from the score page in DM. Maybe if people focused more on having fun than winning, a few balance issues wouldn't be such a big deal. On the other hand, there will always be people who exploit bugs, even more so in a larger community.

Anyway that's just my two cents, hopefully it made sense.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on August 11, 2009, 03:20:37 pm
I started playing soldat about 2 years ago but took a break and just recently started again. I've noticed a large difference in the number of players. I think a big problem is getting new players to stay. I have been having trouble getting back up to my old level of skill, so maybe some sort of "noobs only" server or something to help new players get some practice might help, but I don't know if that would even be possible.

On another note, maybe if people focused more on having fun than winning then they wouldn't feel like the game had so many bugs. Maybe it's just because I'm so rusty, but I haven't noticed anything dramatic besides the sometimes missing data from the score page in DM. Maybe if people focused more on having fun than winning, a few balance issues wouldn't be such a big deal. On the other hand, there will always be people who exploit bugs, even more so in a larger community.

Anyway that's just my two cents, hopefully it made sense.

Yeah, noobs only server? That's weird. The only way you get better is by playing the game period. Heck, MM built in a newbs only server. Just play with bots.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: numgun on August 11, 2009, 05:24:20 pm
Quite often noticed this and every real life friend I've shown Soldat to seem to be completely helpless and hopeless in the new game because soldat has virtually no tutorials ingame of any kind and you it basically throws you right into the meat grinder.

For a starting player with no previous experience, he'll shit his pants with bricks. Especially if he goes in an online server straight away. Heck, even the bots can overwhelm a newbie at the start.

What soldat is lacking is a "tutorial map/stage" that could be like a series of rooms involving in basic movement, some shooting ranges or even a simple default map where you start playing and a text based tutorial will tell you how stuff works and what to do next from weapon selection to moving and shooting and anything else like providing dummy bots to shoot at and at the end some normal AI bot to face against for 10 kills or so.

And most importantly: this tutorial must be accesible ANY TIME through the main menu and it must be very VISIBLE in the main menu. So the point is its not a one-time tut that just flashes and its gone, but something you can reference every now and then.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on August 11, 2009, 07:25:07 pm
Quite often noticed this and every real life friend I've shown Soldat to seem to be completely helpless and hopeless in the new game because soldat has virtually no tutorials ingame of any kind and you it basically throws you right into the meat grinder.

For a starting player with no previous experience, he'll s**t his pants with bricks. Especially if he goes in an online server straight away. Heck, even the bots can overwhelm a newbie at the start.

What soldat is lacking is a "tutorial map/stage" that could be like a series of rooms involving in basic movement, some shooting ranges or even a simple default map where you start playing and a text based tutorial will tell you how stuff works and what to do next from weapon selection to moving and shooting and anything else like providing dummy bots to shoot at and at the end some normal AI bot to face against for 10 kills or so.

And most importantly: this tutorial must be accesible ANY TIME through the main menu and it must be very VISIBLE in the main menu. So the point is its not a one-time tut that just flashes and its gone, but something you can reference every now and then.

Very good idea. Also when a player first opens soldat a menu should pop up saying "Do you want to play the tutorial?" I guess someone can script a tutorial that is available here on the forums which server owners can put on their servers so newbies can just type /tut to view a tutorial. OR there can be a whole tutorial server. and when a player types /tut it will ask them if they want to join the tutorial server.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: jrgp on August 11, 2009, 10:06:55 pm
Well, if people would just buy some damn cheap server hosting (49c/player), then they will be supporting soldat and helping it not to die. Click here to buy server hosting / more info. (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35548)
How is renting servers from you supporting Soldat in any way whatsoever?

If you want to "support" Soldat, rent servers from U13 (as the money actually goes somewhere useful to Soldat as FLAB hosts all of the official sites) and go buy registrations for all your friends.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: numgun on August 12, 2009, 05:37:11 am
I'm thinking more along the lines of a "tutorial" tab within the menu that has some stuff you can activate a tutorial game and on that same tab it could give you some basic information or links like the soldat manual or tips and tricks like movement stuff -Major- just posted in general in his guide for gathers.

The more they have access to advanced things from the start like movement (bunny hopping, backflips, prone cancel, cannon ball ect.) or weapon related thing (bink, startup, interval clearing) the better they are ready to take on online players from the start by training in peace for how much they need to.

Then they would come out like ubërsoldiers from nowhere and provide good competion much sooner than they usually would because they have the knowledge to start with.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Outcast on August 12, 2009, 06:45:07 am
Solution would be to wipe out the gathers, as those caused the decline of publics...While the gather scene is going strong the public scene isn't, and the public scene is what attracts new players. I think this calls for enesce to make the gather admins life hell!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: pavliko on August 12, 2009, 06:52:48 am
Solution would be to wipe out the gathers, as those caused the decline of publics...While the gather scene is going strong the public scene isn't, and the public scene is what attracts new players. I think this calls for enesce to make the gather admins life hell!
Fuck this solution..
You just need to remove the bugs in soldat so that it will be playable and new people will join (with the help of some advertising)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on August 12, 2009, 05:30:40 pm
Well, if people would just buy some damn cheap server hosting (49c/player), then they will be supporting soldat and helping it not to die. Click here to buy server hosting / more info. (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35548)
How is renting servers from you supporting Soldat in any way whatsoever?

If you want to "support" Soldat, rent servers from U13 (as the money actually goes somewhere useful to Soldat as FLAB hosts all of the official sites) and go buy registrations for all your friends.

Because more servers = more players who play soldat. XFactor servers are cheaper than U13, so it's for people who don't have the money and want to buy some servers. Also Cheaper servers = more servers. I for one have a spending limit each month. With the same amount of money I can buy 2 servers instead of one.

Also, I don't own XFactor servers, but I want them to stay in business so that I get a discount on my server bill.

 
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on August 12, 2009, 05:35:28 pm
I'm thinking more along the lines of a "tutorial" tab within the menu that has some stuff you can activate a tutorial game and on that same tab it could give you some basic information or links like the soldat manual or tips and tricks like movement stuff -Major- just posted in general in his guide for gathers.

The more they have access to advanced things from the start like movement (bunny hopping, backflips, prone cancel, cannon ball ect.) or weapon related thing (bink, startup, interval clearing) the better they are ready to take on online players from the start by training in peace for how much they need to.

Then they would come out like ubërsoldiers from nowhere and provide good competion much sooner than they usually would because they have the knowledge to start with.

Prone cancel? What's that?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: pavliko on August 12, 2009, 05:35:41 pm
miketh2005: What will empty servers do when there wont be any players?
Less Players>Less Servers>No players at all.
More Servers+Less Players=Fail
Simple Soldat mathematics..
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on August 12, 2009, 05:37:14 pm
miketh2005: What will empty servers do when there wont be any players?
Less Players>Less Servers>No players at all.
More Servers+Less Players=Fail
Simple Soldat mathematics..

That doesn't make any sense. Less people will find soldat boring if there are always new and exciting servers to play in...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: pavliko on August 12, 2009, 05:41:31 pm
That doesn't make any sense. Less people will find soldat boring if there are always new and exciting servers to play in...
This is the solution
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35280.msg430573#msg430573
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: 1ronclaw on August 12, 2009, 05:54:07 pm
miketh2005: What will empty servers do when there wont be any players?
Less Players>Less Servers>No players at all.
More Servers+Less Players=Fail
Simple Soldat mathematics..

That doesn't make any sense. Less people will find soldat boring if there are always new and exciting servers to play in...

I disagree. There seem to be plenty of servers, but almost half of them are always empty. The focus should be on attracting and retaining new players through designing a better way for them to learn basic skills. Despite people telling new people to "learn the backflip" etc. I have yet to see any specific instructions on the various types of maneuvers, when they should be used, how to do them and so on. Simply having more servers will not revive the community without flesh blood to play on them.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: numgun on August 12, 2009, 06:03:29 pm
I'm thinking more along the lines of a "tutorial" tab within the menu that has some stuff you can activate a tutorial game and on that same tab it could give you some basic information or links like the soldat manual or tips and tricks like movement stuff -Major- just posted in general in his guide for gathers.

The more they have access to advanced things from the start like movement (bunny hopping, backflips, prone cancel, cannon ball ect.) or weapon related thing (bink, startup, interval clearing) the better they are ready to take on online players from the start by training in peace for how much they need to.

Then they would come out like ubërsoldiers from nowhere and provide good competion much sooner than they usually would because they have the knowledge to start with.

Prone cancel? What's that?

New thing to me too, btw.

Its also called "prone gliding", while doing a superman (prone flying forward), you change weapons just before you hit the ground. This allows you to continue moving on without losing speed like you would usually do when landing in prone position, very useful.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Kazuki on August 12, 2009, 07:10:05 pm
How did this turn into War of the Servers?

What Soldat needs is fluidity and polish. It needs to be presentable. I love Soldat, but it's absolutely stuffed with bugs and error messages, not to mention the netcode. From start to finish, it's rare that you won't encounter something not quite right with the game.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on August 12, 2009, 08:46:44 pm
I'm thinking more along the lines of a "tutorial" tab within the menu that has some stuff you can activate a tutorial game and on that same tab it could give you some basic information or links like the soldat manual or tips and tricks like movement stuff -Major- just posted in general in his guide for gathers.

The more they have access to advanced things from the start like movement (bunny hopping, backflips, prone cancel, cannon ball ect.) or weapon related thing (bink, startup, interval clearing) the better they are ready to take on online players from the start by training in peace for how much they need to.

Then they would come out like ubërsoldiers from nowhere and provide good competion much sooner than they usually would because they have the knowledge to start with.

Prone cancel? What's that?

New thing to me too, btw.

Its also called "prone gliding", while doing a superman (prone flying forward), you change weapons just before you hit the ground. This allows you to continue moving on without losing speed like you would usually do when landing in prone position, very useful.

Why not just get out of prone position before you hit the ground?



Half of the servers are empty because they are the same old same old. If people would host new and exciting scripts on servers, then it would keep people.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: p0ppin on August 12, 2009, 10:05:44 pm
Servers, especially newer ones, often get what I like to call "empty server syndrome".  Someone will join, hang out for a few seconds, then leave because he/she doesn't want to wait for another player to wander in.  It's understandable, I do it all the time.  Perhaps something like a quickplay option in the lobby, sort of like a built-in gather for soldat would do the trick.  You'd select which gametype you want and the lobby will try to find an open server for you and anyone else who is requesting a quickplay at the time.  With all people playing soldat using it, games would probably fill up much quicker than they do in irc gathers.

Just an idea, feel free to shoot holes in it :P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: 1ronclaw on August 12, 2009, 10:16:33 pm
Servers, especially newer ones, often get what I like to call "empty server syndrome".  Someone will join, hang out for a few seconds, then leave because he/she doesn't want to wait for another player to wander in.  It's understandable, I do it all the time.  Perhaps something like a quickplay option in the lobby, sort of like a built-in gather for soldat would do the trick.  You'd select which gametype you want and the lobby will try to find an open server for you and anyone else who is requesting a quickplay at the time.  With all people playing soldat using it, games would probably fill up much quicker than they do in irc gathers.

Just an idea, feel free to shoot holes in it :P

I like it, maybe with a matchmaking thing where you can rate your skill level 1-10 and hopefully get another honest person at your skill level?

I also see what you're saying with the empty server thing. I hereby vow to spend 10 minutes a day (maybe more) in empty servers waiting for people. (It'll give me a chance to learn the maps better too.)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on August 12, 2009, 11:11:15 pm
Servers, especially newer ones, often get what I like to call "empty server syndrome".  Someone will join, hang out for a few seconds, then leave because he/she doesn't want to wait for another player to wander in.  It's understandable, I do it all the time.  Perhaps something like a quickplay option in the lobby, sort of like a built-in gather for soldat would do the trick.  You'd select which gametype you want and the lobby will try to find an open server for you and anyone else who is requesting a quickplay at the time.  With all people playing soldat using it, games would probably fill up much quicker than they do in irc gathers.

Just an idea, feel free to shoot holes in it :P

Love the idea. Make another post about it in the suggestions forums and post the link here so I can F12.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: F4||3N on August 13, 2009, 01:37:43 am
I kinda quick-read through the last few posts, but I agree with one of the posts, what's the point of a flourishing competitive scene, when the real potential is in public servers.

Bugs are barely a problem. That's not the reason Soldat is dying. Sure there's some annoying bugs, but they're not nearly big enough to prevent new players from having a fun time.

Really, it comes down to the updates. If some decent features get implemented, with some new scripting options, more decent (filled) servers.

And maybe a tutorial mode would be good.

A script-campaign, like mission-mod, but with a Call of Duty depth to it, nothing that's gunna take 2 years to make, but something that's gunna show what Soldat is about.

Reasonably big makes, with certain objectives. Though that'll take a core change and a fair bit of new codes. But you don't have to edit Soldat, make it separate and incorporate it into Soldat!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: jrgp on August 13, 2009, 09:02:27 am
Well, if people would just buy some damn cheap server hosting (49c/player), then they will be supporting soldat and helping it not to die. Click here to buy server hosting / more info. (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35548)
How is renting servers from you supporting Soldat in any way whatsoever?

If you want to "support" Soldat, rent servers from U13 (as the money actually goes somewhere useful to Soldat as FLAB hosts all of the official sites) and go buy registrations for all your friends.

Because more servers = more players who play soldat. XFactor servers are cheaper than U13, so it's for people who don't have the money and want to buy some servers. Also Cheaper servers = more servers. I for one have a spending limit each month. With the same amount of money I can buy 2 servers instead of one.

Also, I don't own XFactor servers, but I want them to stay in business so that I get a discount on my server bill.

 

I'm talking about where the money is going. And more servers does not mean more players, as most of the current servers are consistently empty.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Dusty on August 13, 2009, 09:19:54 am
Enesce made the same mistake as MM did.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: demoniac93 on August 13, 2009, 10:35:00 am
Well, if people would just buy some damn cheap server hosting (49c/player), then they will be supporting soldat and helping it not to die. Click here to buy server hosting / more info. (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35548)
How is renting servers from you supporting Soldat in any way whatsoever?

If you want to "support" Soldat, rent servers from U13 (as the money actually goes somewhere useful to Soldat as FLAB hosts all of the official sites) and go buy registrations for all your friends.

Because more servers = more players who play soldat. XFactor servers are cheaper than U13, so it's for people who don't have the money and want to buy some servers. Also Cheaper servers = more servers. I for one have a spending limit each month. With the same amount of money I can buy 2 servers instead of one.

Also, I don't own XFactor servers, but I want them to stay in business so that I get a discount on my server bill.

 

I'm talking about where the money is going. And more servers does not mean more players, as most of the current servers are consistently empty.

It's a real waste of money, soldat can't be saved by more servers, it'll kill it faster. More servers means less players per server, so most of them become bored and quit.
How is it a waste of cash? You rent a server, nobody comes, cause they already have their servers, and you have to shut it down, there goes your hard earned money. (Unless you're some rich and spoiled brat.)
We gotta reduce the number of servers to a reasonable amount with enough servers using popular gamemodes ALL around the globe. At least it's my perspective and honest opinion.

Edit: Shard's got a point, we should make this thread more useful.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Shard on August 13, 2009, 10:41:14 am
Matchmaking, would be good, but under a separate tab. Tutorial mode would be great as well. A campaign, I know how that would work, you set bot difficulty at the start, then you play 2 games of each mode, which intorduces people to each game mode, and shows alot about soldat.

The name of this thread is depressing, rename it to how to revive soldat, put in a poll with options, and BAM we have a think tank on how to save our beloved game.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: rayanaga on August 13, 2009, 11:33:27 am
I personally think their should be less servers.
Whenever I hit Request Game, and scroll down, nearly 70% of the servers are empty.
Adding even more servers will just stretch that line even thinner.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Eagles_Arrows on August 13, 2009, 12:56:08 pm
I personally think their should be less servers.
Whenever I hit Request Game, and scroll down, nearly 70% of the servers are empty.
Adding even more servers will just stretch that line even thinner.

There are filters that let you hide those empty servers...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on August 13, 2009, 02:27:37 pm
Matchmaking, would be good, but under a separate tab. Tutorial mode would be great as well. A campaign, I know how that would work, you set bot difficulty at the start, then you play 2 games of each mode, which intorduces people to each game mode, and shows alot about soldat.

The name of this thread is depressing, rename it to how to revive soldat, put in a poll with options, and BAM we have a think tank on how to save our beloved game.

Changed. Give me some poll options and I'll add a poll.

I personally think their should be less servers.
Whenever I hit Request Game, and scroll down, nearly 70% of the servers are empty.
Adding even more servers will just stretch that line even thinner.
Well, if people would just buy some damn cheap server hosting (49c/player), then they will be supporting soldat and helping it not to die. Click here to buy server hosting / more info. (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35548)
How is renting servers from you supporting Soldat in any way whatsoever?

If you want to "support" Soldat, rent servers from U13 (as the money actually goes somewhere useful to Soldat as FLAB hosts all of the official sites) and go buy registrations for all your friends.

Because more servers = more players who play soldat. XFactor servers are cheaper than U13, so it's for people who don't have the money and want to buy some servers. Also Cheaper servers = more servers. I for one have a spending limit each month. With the same amount of money I can buy 2 servers instead of one.

Also, I don't own XFactor servers, but I want them to stay in business so that I get a discount on my server bill.

 

I'm talking about where the money is going. And more servers does not mean more players, as most of the current servers are consistently empty.

It's a real waste of money, soldat can't be saved by more servers, it'll kill it faster. More servers means less players per server, so most of them become bored and quit.
How is it a waste of cash? You rent a server, nobody comes, cause they already have their servers, and you have to shut it down, there goes your hard earned money. (Unless you're some rich and spoiled brat.)
We gotta reduce the number of servers to a reasonable amount with enough servers using popular gamemodes ALL around the globe. At least it's my perspective and honest opinion.

Edit: Shard's got a point, we should make this thread more useful.

Hmm , that's funny, because I just started up some new servers after some time of absence and they are very popular - not empty. Also my servers are servers you can play by yourself as my race server has highscores, And zombie servers speak for themselves. Nevertheless there are loads of people in my servers and I just started them up.

The problem is with these empty servers is that, people don't play in them because of the following reasons:

1. Crappy name. Even if a server has a super cool RPG script that rival's hexer, if the name is "Soldat Dedicated Server", no one will come. I counted 25 un-named servers when I requested servers.

2. Crappy server. If people don't like the server, change it. There are plenty of sub game modes in scripting releases.

3. Dedication. You know what sets some CTF servers away from others? Good custom maps and scripts. And constant improvement. If your just gonna throw a normal CTF with preset settings forget about it. Get a good server, even script some custom scripts for your server.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: miketh2005 on August 13, 2009, 02:29:14 pm
Well, if people would just buy some damn cheap server hosting (49c/player), then they will be supporting soldat and helping it not to die. Click here to buy server hosting / more info. (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35548)
How is renting servers from you supporting Soldat in any way whatsoever?

If you want to "support" Soldat, rent servers from U13 (as the money actually goes somewhere useful to Soldat as FLAB hosts all of the official sites) and go buy registrations for all your friends.

Because more servers = more players who play soldat. XFactor servers are cheaper than U13, so it's for people who don't have the money and want to buy some servers. Also Cheaper servers = more servers. I for one have a spending limit each month. With the same amount of money I can buy 2 servers instead of one.

Also, I don't own XFactor servers, but I want them to stay in business so that I get a discount on my server bill.

 

I'm talking about where the money is going. And more servers does not mean more players, as most of the current servers are consistently empty.

Buying from FLAB or eC is much better - if you can afford it. It's kinda like when you go to the super market and they ask you if you want to donate to charity. Great, if you can afford it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: jrgp on August 13, 2009, 02:47:20 pm
Well, if people would just buy some damn cheap server hosting (49c/player), then they will be supporting soldat and helping it not to die. Click here to buy server hosting / more info. (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35548)
How is renting servers from you supporting Soldat in any way whatsoever?

If you want to "support" Soldat, rent servers from U13 (as the money actually goes somewhere useful to Soldat as FLAB hosts all of the official sites) and go buy registrations for all your friends.

Because more servers = more players who play soldat. XFactor servers are cheaper than U13, so it's for people who don't have the money and want to buy some servers. Also Cheaper servers = more servers. I for one have a spending limit each month. With the same amount of money I can buy 2 servers instead of one.

Also, I don't own XFactor servers, but I want them to stay in business so that I get a discount on my server bill.

 

I'm talking about where the money is going. And more servers does not mean more players, as most of the current servers are consistently empty.

Buying from FLAB or eC is much better - if you can afford it. It's kinda like when you go to the super market and they ask you if you want to donate to charity. Great, if you can afford it.

How couldn't you when the price difference is oh so....negligible....

And do you really believe that no one likes default (stock maps/weapon mod, no scripts) servers anymore?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Leo on August 13, 2009, 02:52:20 pm
Well, if people would just buy some damn cheap server hosting (49c/player), then they will be supporting soldat and helping it not to die. Click here to buy server hosting / more info. (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35548)
How is renting servers from you supporting Soldat in any way whatsoever?

If you want to "support" Soldat, rent servers from U13 (as the money actually goes somewhere useful to Soldat as FLAB hosts all of the official sites) and go buy registrations for all your friends.

Because more servers = more players who play soldat. XFactor servers are cheaper than U13, so it's for people who don't have the money and want to buy some servers. Also Cheaper servers = more servers. I for one have a spending limit each month. With the same amount of money I can buy 2 servers instead of one.

Also, I don't own XFactor servers, but I want them to stay in business so that I get a discount on my server bill.

 

I'm talking about where the money is going. And more servers does not mean more players, as most of the current servers are consistently empty.

Buying from FLAB or eC is much better - if you can afford it. It's kinda like when you go to the super market and they ask you if you want to donate to charity. Great, if you can afford it.

How couldn't you when the price difference is oh so....negligible....

And do you really believe that no one likes default (stock maps/weapon mod, no scripts) servers anymore?
Yep, the people that do just play gathers. Default pubs are gone loooong time ago.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Shard on August 13, 2009, 03:21:12 pm
Well a name change is necessary. Which you said you did, but haven't done? For poll options, stuff like Matchmaking services Yes/No Tutorial Mode Yes/No Campaign(as I have described)Yes/No. Other things that the community have said, and the devs can implement. This really sounds like Game improvements/suggestions, but how on ever, that is what this thread should be turned into, How To Save Soldat!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: Dusty on August 13, 2009, 03:40:04 pm
I stopped playing @ tba's because they added one custom map to their map rotation. The scripts were too much to handle already.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 13, 2009, 03:54:26 pm
Well, if people would just buy some damn cheap server hosting (49c/player), then they will be supporting soldat and helping it not to die. Click here to buy server hosting / more info. (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35548)
How is renting servers from you supporting Soldat in any way whatsoever?

If you want to "support" Soldat, rent servers from U13 (as the money actually goes somewhere useful to Soldat as FLAB hosts all of the official sites) and go buy registrations for all your friends.

Because more servers = more players who play soldat. XFactor servers are cheaper than U13, so it's for people who don't have the money and want to buy some servers. Also Cheaper servers = more servers. I for one have a spending limit each month. With the same amount of money I can buy 2 servers instead of one.

Also, I don't own XFactor servers, but I want them to stay in business so that I get a discount on my server bill.

 

I'm talking about where the money is going. And more servers does not mean more players, as most of the current servers are consistently empty.

Buying from FLAB or eC is much better - if you can afford it. It's kinda like when you go to the super market and they ask you if you want to donate to charity. Great, if you can afford it.

How couldn't you when the price difference is oh so....negligible....

And do you really believe that no one likes default (stock maps/weapon mod, no scripts) servers anymore?

Why are you always so... I dunno, defensive.

I was not saying that, as gamearena and darkcats are quite popular. But I meant killing spees, stats, etc.

I really don't understand why people would not like a good custom map. What's the difference between good custom maps and the default ones? Some custom maps are even more popular. Custom maps have not stopped !Elite servers from being the most full servers in soldat imho.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on August 13, 2009, 04:15:40 pm
I was not saying that, as gamearena and darkcats are quite popular. But I meant killing spees, stats, etc.

I really don't understand why people would not like a good custom map. What's the difference between good custom maps and the default ones? Some custom maps are even more popular. Custom maps have not stopped !Elite servers from being the most full servers in soldat imho.

I think the main thing that turns people off about custom maps is that you usually need to download a several MB pack full of the maps' resources or else you'll be disconnected with each map change, and that upsets certain scripts.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: LtKillroy on August 13, 2009, 04:16:34 pm
Try fixing all the bugs. That might help. Or at least unbroke things that used to work.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on August 13, 2009, 04:31:19 pm
I stopped playing @ tba's because they added one custom map to their map rotation. The scripts were too much to handle already.
and people are generaly noob there. they are actually better at 4v4 meathouse, AND there's no gay scripts and shit there.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Dusty on August 13, 2009, 04:54:42 pm
I stopped playing @ tba's because they added one custom map to their map rotation. The scripts were too much to handle already.
and people are generaly noob there. they are actually better at 4v4 meathouse, AND there's no gay scripts and shit there.

First blood, stats... There should be no scripting at all.

No, I don't care about the skill level since I do publics only for fun. It was pretty much the only decent server with no crap scripts and custom maps added back in the past. Oh and GET 100 POINTS BY KILLING 2 PLAYERS -script. You get the best score by spraying people and eating the bonus which is meant for those who cannot get their job done.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Fujifabric on August 13, 2009, 05:02:42 pm
meh... i've always liked the idea of some good-skill pubs where you can get the best of both things like not having to play with/against n... err majors... (gathers) and the possibility of just get in and play that you get from pubs, but the problem is that it wont be either public or private so the only way i see that working is with a password known by a bunch of people who are supposed to be enough to always maintain players in the sever and that could be a bit difficult or realistic... but it's just my opinion anyways.

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No, I don't care about the skill level since I do publics only for fun. It was pretty much the only decent server with no crap scripts and custom maps added back in the past. Oh and GET 100 POINTS BY KILLING 2 PLAYERS -script. You get the best score by spraying people and eating the bonus which is meant for those who cannot get their job done.

not to mention that the assistpoints script is also in the DM pub ::) and the other script they have of limiting the amount of weapons sometimes leaves you without any after you respawn  :-\ ... It's sad 'cause it's quite a decent pub anyways, but if you ask me i would only leave the script for balancing teams when they're uneven.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on August 13, 2009, 05:36:08 pm
I've got one line for this thread.

We can't do anything about it, so stop complaining and our opinions don't matter.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Shard on August 13, 2009, 06:34:25 pm
I've got one line for this thread.

We can't do anything about it, so stop complaining and our opinions don't matter.
Well your an optimist....This thread is about how to revive the game, so help or gtfo with your 'we cant do anything' attitude.

As for maps? I when a load of new maps are made, they should be added into the next version of Soldat. That way, at least the majority of custom maps, will already be available to people. I don't mean EVERY custom map. Just the major ones that are seen on most servers map lists. That way soldat would get more maps, and everyone would have them.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on August 13, 2009, 06:53:47 pm
Scarface is kinda right though Shard, people are too lazy to save this game, too much time and effort for their BUSY lives...Wonder which lives those would be if you get my point ;/
Anyhow, the tba assist script and stuff is a little bit too much, I mean, just yesterday
I played 3 maps, ash, was one of them, and I think during the 1st (Not ash) I had some kind of combo score, I was holding the alpha flag at bravo base, and their flagger took the mid route and rushed at me, I managed to kill him with the spas, AND he was a big point (The big point shit is useless and unnecessary), so it said:
+3 points for killing as flagger
+1 point for killing enemy flagger
+1 Big point
+1 (or was it 3?) ComboScore

So that's at least 7 if not 10 points for 1 kill.

And this is coming from a guy who's 23 and still amazed at soldat, regularly playing NORMAL unscripted inf and ctf.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Nubism on August 13, 2009, 06:55:07 pm
a real weaponbalance, not such shit like the barret right now,
a better gameplay instead of a "better looking" game, since soldat just was good as it has been on 1.2.1 and 1.3.1.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: numgun on August 14, 2009, 06:54:27 am
I've got one line for this thread.

We can't do anything about it, so stop complaining and our opinions don't matter.

Bullshit.

We can report bugs and suggestions to Enesce and he'll do his best to make them work.

Right now all I care is to somehow optimize or improve the current code. Soldat works, but has some bugs here and there and some bugs are causing massive errors for people.
Like the access violation bugs require people to fiddle with fonts and settings that a usual consumer that wants to play a game doesnt want to concern about these things.

I dont know how complex soldat's source code is or that if its reliable of hacky things, but something should be done in terms of bugs by writing or rewriting code pieces to more stable and stronger solutions.

We have enough content right now.
Hell, we had enough content even back in 1.1.5 when I started playing. That was 7-8 years ago. The bugs remain.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 14, 2009, 01:35:40 pm
I've got one line for this thread.

We can't do anything about it, so stop complaining and our opinions don't matter.

Bulls**t.

We can report bugs and suggestions to Enesce and he'll do his best to make them work.

Right now all I care is to somehow optimize or improve the current code. Soldat works, but has some bugs here and there and some bugs are causing massive errors for people.
Like the access violation bugs require people to fiddle with fonts and settings that a usual consumer that wants to play a game doesnt want to concern about these things.

I dont know how complex soldat's source code is or that if its reliable of hacky things, but something should be done in terms of bugs by writing or rewriting code pieces to more stable and stronger solutions.

We have enough content right now.
Hell, we had enough content even back in 1.1.5 when I started playing. That was 7-8 years ago. The bugs remain.

Off-topic: your avatar looks like cortex command :P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: numgun on August 14, 2009, 02:45:48 pm
No shit, click the "BW" in my sig if you want to play that.
Been modding that game for a quite a while now.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Shadow_Knight on August 14, 2009, 04:14:13 pm
Honestly, imo the recent 1.5.0 is full of bugs. I still play in the few 1.4.2 resistant public normal servers. I honestly rarely play anything rather than normal pure soldat, all those mods and everything just fuck me up. The thing is, 1.5.0 came with 2 time more bugs than 1.4.2. I'm not saying it aint normal, i'm saying it costd a lot of activity. I sincerily believe we should think about betting on old 1.4.2 (less bugs, better gameplay) and maybe some of the old players that quitted could find some old magic inherit to soldat tradition.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on August 14, 2009, 05:14:02 pm
Honestly, imo the recent 1.5.0 is full of bugs. I still play in the few 1.4.2 resistant public normal servers. I honestly rarely play anything rather than normal pure soldat, all those mods and everything just fuck me up. The thing is, 1.5.0 came with 2 time more bugs than 1.4.2. I'm not saying it aint normal, i'm saying it costd a lot of activity. I sincerily believe we should think about betting on old 1.4.2 (less bugs, better gameplay) and maybe some of the old players that quitted could find some old magic inherit to soldat tradition.

The problem is too many already moved out to 1.5 WITHOUT any intentions to check on 1.4.2 from time to time. I still go there about 3 times a week, and on every 11th visit I manage to find a normal ctf server with some good people and play some maps.
Why the heck couldn't you guys settle with the features of 4.2? 1.5 is so far the worst I've seen soldat ever be...It's depressing.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 14, 2009, 08:00:11 pm
No duh. People said the same about 1.4 the first sub version will always be full of bugs. That's how it's always been. That's why we have the 3rd versions.

1.3.1

1.4.1
1.4.2

Soon there will be a

1.5.1

and probably a

1.5.2

that will hopefully fix most of the new bugs and some of the old ones.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: F4||3N on August 16, 2009, 05:32:46 pm
Just stumbled across this!

*snip*
Yeah, so basically if we had the source code for Soldat we'd all be happy guys (and gals).
I know that Soldat will be abandoned someday, I just hope that the source is released then we can build an open source community around it, making the game even better for everyone.
*snip*

Maybe Soldat has been doomed for much longer then some people suspect!

I wonder if we can find the first post thats suggesting Soldat's dying!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on August 16, 2009, 07:37:29 pm
Just stumbled across this!

*snip*
Yeah, so basically if we had the source code for Soldat we'd all be happy guys (and gals).
I know that Soldat will be abandoned someday, I just hope that the source is released then we can build an open source community around it, making the game even better for everyone.
*snip*

Maybe Soldat has been doomed for much longer then some people suspect!

I wonder if we can find the first post thats suggesting Soldat's dying!

You'd have to dig through at least 2 years of archives...Some people have been considering and stating that it's dying since before the release of 1.4.2
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Crimson Goth on August 17, 2009, 09:46:29 am
Dying is better than being dead my friend =]
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 17, 2009, 10:52:25 pm
Dying is better than being dead my friend =]

Well said, my friend, well said.




lol
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on August 17, 2009, 11:14:47 pm
Dying is better than being dead my friend =]

Well said, my friend, well said.
lol

Don't forget, my friend, that dying is a very painful process wheres being dead is simple and easy. :P

Soldat is neither, stop saying it is people.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 17, 2009, 11:16:25 pm
Dying is better than being dead my friend =]

Well said, my friend, well said.
lol

Don't forget, my friend, that dying is a very painful process wheres being dead is simple and easy. :P

Dude, that's AWESOME! How the hell do you think of these things? It's like your head is a big huge library or something, geez. What's your IQ?

Soldat is neither, stop saying it is people.

You of all people should see that there are less players...

Quote from 2008:
well, it still sux, and I must agree with splinter. but we can't do a poo about it.
and can I ask if the bugs are being fixed? in the need help/report bugs section.
I feel like soldat is slowly dying
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on August 17, 2009, 11:18:44 pm
Don't forget, my friend, that dying is a very painful process wheres being dead is simple and easy. :P

Soldat is neither, stop saying it is people.

Dude, that's AWESOME! How the hell do you think of these things? It's like your head is a big huge library or something, geez. What's your IQ?

Way higher than yours right now, trust me. ;)

Quote
Quote from 2008:
well, it still sux, and I must agree with splinter. but we can't do a poo about it.
and can I ask if the bugs are being fixed? in the need help/report bugs section.
I feel like soldat is slowly dying

What makes you think that quote is even the least bit credible? So what if Soldat hasn't been updated in a while. EnEsCe is hard at work. Don't rush him. When the next version does come out, I'm sure many of the bugs will be gone. And I play Soldat just about 3 hours a day. Am I plagued by bugs? No, I'm not. To me 1.5 is just like any other normal release. It works fine.

I've said it before, and will surely say it again: Stop Whining.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 17, 2009, 11:23:53 pm
Quote
Quote from 2008:
well, it still sux, and I must agree with splinter. but we can't do a poo about it.
and can I ask if the bugs are being fixed? in the need help/report bugs section.
I feel like soldat is slowly dying

What makes you think that quote is even the least bit credible? So what if Soldat hasn't been updated in a while. EnEsCe is hard at work. Don't rush him. When the next version does come out, I'm sure many of the bugs will be gone. And I play Soldat just about 3 hours a day. Am I plagued by bugs? No, I'm not. To me 1.5 is just like any other normal release. It works fine.

I've said it before, and will surely say it again: Stop Whining.
[/quote]

Who said we were whining? Some people said soldat's bugs has to be fixed. But I KNOW they will be, read my post up above. Every sub version will have lots of bugs.

Soldat hasn't been updated in awhile???

Geez, I thought 1.5 just came out... I've only been playing it for 4 - 5 months...

I'm talking about the players, and maybe a little about the features not the bugs, here.

To be honest I didn't see enough improvements / more features in soldat 1.5... animated .gifs and gravity was the best.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on August 17, 2009, 11:35:27 pm
You're saying that Soldat is dying because of the lack of major new features? New weapons, vehicles, and much more has been on the Do Not Suggest list for years before you even joined the community. Did people think Soldat was dying back then? No.

Saying Soldat is dying now is just a fad invented by depressants and emos.

To be honest I didn't see enough improvements / more features in soldat 1.5... animated .gifs and gravity was the best.
You didn't see....enough? Whether you like it or not, the Soldat devs do not exist to satisfy your definition of enough, which I bet consists of superfluous eye candy, gadgets, tanks, and much more I don't feel like imagining.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Kazuki on August 18, 2009, 01:28:17 am
Hey ... Why hasn't Soldat evolved from single developer to a team of developers yet?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: F4||3N on August 18, 2009, 02:08:51 am
Don't ask. xP
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Veritas on August 18, 2009, 02:14:22 pm
Hey ... Why hasn't Soldat evolved from single developer to open source yet?
Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on August 18, 2009, 02:19:06 pm
Hey ... Why hasn't Soldat evolved from single developer to a team of developers yet?
Hey ... Why hasn't Soldat evolved from single developer to open source yet?
Fixed that for you.

Because that's how MM wants to keep it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Veritas on August 18, 2009, 02:24:49 pm
Hey ... Why hasn't Soldat evolved from single developer to a team of developers yet?
Hey ... Why hasn't Soldat evolved from single developer to open source yet?
Fixed that for you.

Because that's how MM wants to keep it.
Well, that's dumb and worth questioning.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on August 18, 2009, 02:51:15 pm
Well, that's dumb and worth questioning.
Isn't that the entire point of this thread, to question MM's decisions and actions?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 18, 2009, 04:54:06 pm
You're saying that Soldat is dying because of the lack of major new features? New weapons, vehicles, and much more has been on the Do Not Suggest list for years before you even joined the community. Did people think Soldat was dying back then? No.

Saying Soldat is dying now is just a fad invented by depressants and emos.

To be honest I didn't see enough improvements / more features in soldat 1.5... animated .gifs and gravity was the best.
You didn't see....enough? Whether you like it or not, the Soldat devs do not exist to satisfy your definition of enough, which I bet consists of superfluous eye candy, gadgets, tanks, and much more I don't feel like imagining.

You totally disregard my post and only pick out the things you want. I said the main reason is THE PLAYERS. I just said I would have liked to see just a tiny bit more new features as a side note, not why soldat is dying. And no, I've been here long enough to know that vehicles / new weapons and all that crap will never be added, I ment other new and exciting things, mainly new scriptcore functions.

Well, that's dumb and worth questioning.
Isn't that the entire point of this thread, to question MM's decisions and actions?

Umm, no? It's debating if soldat is dying or not and if so, how to revive it.

Hey ... Why hasn't Soldat evolved from single developer to a team of developers yet?
Hey ... Why hasn't Soldat evolved from single developer to open source yet?
Fixed that for you.

Because that's how MM wants to keep it.
Well, that's dumb and worth questioning.

That's not for you to decide! It's MMs decision. I'm sure MM would have made it open source if enesce didn't come along, but since enesce is still working on it, there is no need to. MM has lost intrest in it, that doesn't mean enesce has, too. When there are no developers MM will surely make it open source after awhile so that it won't entirely die.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Veritas on August 18, 2009, 07:49:10 pm
Well, that's dumb and worth questioning.
Isn't that the entire point of this thread, to question MM's decisions and actions?
Yes.

That's not for you to decide! It's MMs decision. I'm sure MM would have made it open source if enesce didn't come along, but since enesce is still working on it, there is no need to. MM has lost intrest in it, that doesn't mean enesce has, too. When there are no developers MM will surely make it open source after awhile so that it won't entirely die.
If people identify the game as dying, then of course there's a need; doubly so when the current developer is a friggen idiot.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: AntiHero on August 19, 2009, 04:03:40 pm
How about all of soldat forums people help out soldat by posting comments and advertising the game in forums :o?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Thinkto urself on August 19, 2009, 07:36:23 pm
That's called advertising and is generally frowned upon.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on August 20, 2009, 10:37:06 am
That's called advertising and is generally frowned upon.
Advertising itself isn't bad. It's the form of advertising that's called "spam" that is bad. But either way, I dont think Soldat needs any of that.
Soldat is already popular enough. Problem is in getting people to stay - there are many problems Soldat has that scare new players.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Clawbug on August 20, 2009, 11:53:23 am
How about all of soldat forums people help out soldat by posting comments and advertising the game in forums :o?
This.

HOWEVER IN CIVILIZED FASHION.

Make a thread and try to have discussion about the game. People's opinions, fav maps, whatever to make it NOT ONLY ADVERTISING. The immature spamming will just scare people. This same applies to real life. Don't tell people to play, don't preach about the stuff but instead mention it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on August 20, 2009, 12:36:40 pm
How about all of soldat forums people help out soldat by posting comments and advertising the game in forums :o?
This.

HOWEVER IN CIVILIZED FASHION.

Make a thread and try to have discussion about the game. People's opinions, fav maps, whatever to make it NOT ONLY ADVERTISING. The immature spamming will just scare people. This same applies to real life. Don't tell people to play, don't preach about the stuff but instead mention it.

Or we could just spam screenshots of VirtualTT's maps all over the internet. Surely that'll bring loads over.

edit: I might post screenshots as well as links to soldat.pl in 4chan's /b later today.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Dusty on August 20, 2009, 12:42:00 pm
Or pay someone to review Soldat and rate it 11/10, without mentioning any of the bugs nor the developer.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Crimson Goth on August 20, 2009, 01:07:26 pm
Public servers are dying. Join a clan or gather sometimes.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: PQ on August 20, 2009, 09:17:43 pm
When is the 'silly season' going to end?

Get us some real news.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Madow on August 21, 2009, 03:48:12 am
That's called advertising and is generally frowned upon.
Advertising itself isn't bad. It's the form of advertising that's called "spam" that is bad. But either way, I dont think Soldat needs any of that.
Soldat is already popular enough. Problem is in getting people to stay - there are many problems Soldat has that scare new players.

.. and specific weapons.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Kinky noob on August 21, 2009, 04:32:00 am
How about all of soldat forums people help out soldat by posting comments and advertising the game in forums :o?
This.

HOWEVER IN CIVILIZED FASHION.

Make a thread and try to have discussion about the game. People's opinions, fav maps, whatever to make it NOT ONLY ADVERTISING. The immature spamming will just scare people. This same applies to real life. Don't tell people to play, don't preach about the stuff but instead mention it.

Or we could just spam screenshots of VirtualTT's maps all over the internet. Surely that'll bring loads over.

edit: I might post screenshots as well as links to soldat.pl in 4chan's /b later today.

If you do, I will personally kill you ;P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Swastika von Judenbutt on August 22, 2009, 10:43:41 pm
I found out about this game a while back through Electric Retard, too bad I didn't get to see this game in its prime.  I don't think there's much hope left in getting new people here.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: xurich on August 23, 2009, 04:49:21 am
I don't think there's much hope left in getting new people here.

Why not?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on August 24, 2009, 03:11:04 pm
How about all of soldat forums people help out soldat by posting comments and advertising the game in forums :o?
This.

HOWEVER IN CIVILIZED FASHION.

Make a thread and try to have discussion about the game. People's opinions, fav maps, whatever to make it NOT ONLY ADVERTISING. The immature spamming will just scare people. This same applies to real life. Don't tell people to play, don't preach about the stuff but instead mention it.

Or we could just spam screenshots of VirtualTT's maps all over the internet. Surely that'll bring loads over.

edit: I might post screenshots as well as links to soldat.pl in 4chan's /b later today.

If you do, I will personally kill you ;P

Why? Personally I think that'd bring in a bunch of interesting people.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Veritas on August 24, 2009, 07:18:18 pm
How about all of soldat forums people help out soldat by posting comments and advertising the game in forums :o?
This.

HOWEVER IN CIVILIZED FASHION.

Make a thread and try to have discussion about the game. People's opinions, fav maps, whatever to make it NOT ONLY ADVERTISING. The immature spamming will just scare people. This same applies to real life. Don't tell people to play, don't preach about the stuff but instead mention it.

Or we could just spam screenshots of VirtualTT's maps all over the internet. Surely that'll bring loads over.

edit: I might post screenshots as well as links to soldat.pl in 4chan's /b later today.

If you do, I will personally kill you ;P

Why? Personally I think that'd bring in a bunch of interesting people.
I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not.

IHBT, probably.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on August 25, 2009, 07:18:12 am
wow...this thread is getting sadder by the day
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Boots on August 26, 2009, 05:15:04 am
wow...this thread is getting sadder by the day
I could say the same about you, clownman.


Soldat isn't really dieing, gather wise. Although, i've notcied that public servers have lesser skilled players playing in them, which isn't a bad thing. But really, i guess that would make it harder for the next generation of soldat players to be brought into the game, because they will not be as good as the "pubber's" the generations before them.

Soldat isn't going to die for a while, unless 1.6 comes out and it's total shit.


I look foward to 1.5.1 !
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Illuminatus on August 26, 2009, 07:21:55 am
Although, i've notcied that public servers have lesser skilled players playing in them [...]
You're joining the wrong servers...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 26, 2009, 12:31:34 pm
Actually I'm playing in gather's more often now because pubs are so low skilled, whichever team I go on wins, lol. Anyway, there isn't even anyone on when it gets around 10PM in soldat.gather. I thought it's supposed to be global? And there just isn't as much people as I thought there would be.

P.S. YAY! Mute is gone! :D
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: xurich on August 26, 2009, 01:04:34 pm
#soldat.gather mostly caters to the European crowd. As such, you'll find that activity starts to die down later in the night during European hours. During those times, you might want to try #aus.gather (Australasia) or #sna.gather (North America).

P.S. YAY! Mute is gone! :D

On behalf of the moderation team, sorry about that.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on August 26, 2009, 05:11:07 pm
#soldat.gather mostly caters to the European crowd. As such, you'll find that activity starts to die down later in the night during European hours. During those times, you might want to try #aus.gather (Australasia) or #sna.gather (North America).

P.S. YAY! Mute is gone! :D

On behalf of the moderation team, sorry about that.

Are you even allowed to do that?
On topic; I've seen more than 1 regular pub player have the lead on the scoreboard 2-4 times in a row.
Edit; Allowed to give apologies on mutes O_O
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: xurich on August 26, 2009, 05:18:17 pm
Allowed to do what?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: F4||3N on August 26, 2009, 09:31:55 pm
Aus gather isn't even as lively as people say. It takes 20 minutes just to get six people to !add
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: iDante on August 27, 2009, 01:06:10 am
This thread has taken many interesting turns, none of which I have read. Instead I'm just gonna say that pubs suck and go play some gathers/cw's/slaughter sessions with the good 'ole forum members when that happens again and remember why soldat is awesome. It isn't because it's a stunning game, it's good because the people that play it are pretty awesome.

And I'd say that between the 3 big gather channels there's always a game going, so no complaining about that.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Ragnaros on August 27, 2009, 10:33:33 am
This thread has taken many interesting turns, none of which I have read. Instead I'm just gonna say that pubs suck and go play some gathers/cw's/slaughter sessions with the good 'ole forum members when that happens again and remember why soldat is awesome. It isn't because it's a stunning game, it's good because the people that play it are pretty awesome.

And I'd say that between the 3 big gather channels there's always a game going, so no complaining about that.

totally agree with iDante here and i want to say one thing myself
Quote
Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
You ask how? At first STOP f**kIN TALK ABOUT THE END OF SOLDAT! you (not only miketh2005) want to see the End of Soldat so hard that you can talk about the way it will die endlessly (till mods will lock this topic)! how it will die? when it will die? BULLs**t.

my opinion: SOLDAT WILL NEVER DIE. Curtains down. Remember whats the year now? Right, 2009. And a 2D (!!!) game still have an army of fans (ok, not modders but fans)... Why? cause MM made it. And dont try to say that this army isnt growing, i wont belive it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 27, 2009, 03:31:47 pm
This thread has taken many interesting turns, none of which I have read. Instead I'm just gonna say that pubs suck and go play some gathers/cw's/slaughter sessions with the good 'ole forum members when that happens again and remember why soldat is awesome. It isn't because it's a stunning game, it's good because the people that play it are pretty awesome.

And I'd say that between the 3 big gather channels there's always a game going, so no complaining about that.

totally agree with iDante here and i want to say one thing myself
Quote
Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
You ask how? At first STOP f**kIN TALK ABOUT THE END OF SOLDAT! you (not only miketh2005) want to see the End of Soldat so hard that you can talk about the way it will die endlessly (till mods will lock this topic)! how it will die? when it will die? BULLs**t.

my opinion: SOLDAT WILL NEVER DIE. Curtains down. Remember whats the year now? Right, 2009. And a 2D (!!!) game still have an army of fans (ok, not modders but fans)... Why? cause MM made it. And dont try to say that this army isnt growing, i wont belive it.

Do you see anyone here asking how it will die, or when it will die??? We are talking about how to get more people, not about that. I dunno where you got that idea from.

I'm sure there are only very few people who even know about Soldat much less who MM is...

How long have you been playing Soldat? Many people here who have played for awhile, myself included, have seen the drop in players. You just ignoring the truth.

Aus gather isn't even as lively as people say. It takes 20 minutes just to get six people to !add

What? I'm waiting 1 hr+ for the gather to fill in sna.gather!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on August 27, 2009, 04:59:16 pm
I find gathers too.. formal. Thing I like about pubs is that you don't play with all the same people all the time (that just gets boring), and that the whole atmosphere is pretty relaxed. Feel free to chat, feel free to noob around with minigun, just dont break the rules. Even more awesome if you get to know the regular players of a certain pub and become a regular player yourself. This way you get to play with old buddies, as well as new players which you don't know.

As for number of players.. could it be the increase in alternative game modes? Since scriptcore has been improved, there's been a ton of modded servers, which take players away from normal servers.
Though personally - I never noticed a difference between number of players. Before there were enough servers with people playing, and to me it seems it's still that way.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Ragnaros on August 28, 2009, 08:00:01 am
Quote
How long have you been playing Soldat? Many people here who have played for awhile, myself included, have seen the drop in players. You just ignoring the truth.
1. Ive been playing Soldat for 5 (five) years.
2. Ignoring? maybe you are imaging too much? or panic too much? or you just want some attention?
3. There are always a drop in players on summer. The community is growing anyways. (it was 10000 users in the beginning of june)
4. People are growing and start to play Gamez less often. New generations are coming.

numgun's returning to soldat is an awesome argument too btw

as Arny said in "Kindergarten cop": "come'on! stop whining! you lack discipline!" (c)

ps: if you are losing your interest to soldat go play some other games, dont say SOLDAT is dying. Gah.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 28, 2009, 10:43:42 am
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How long have you been playing Soldat? Many people here who have played for awhile, myself included, have seen the drop in players. You just ignoring the truth.
1. Ive been playing Soldat for 5 (five) years.
2. Ignoring? maybe you are imaging too much? or panic too much? or you just want some attention?
3. There are always a drop in players on summer. The community is growing anyways. (it was 10000 users in the beginning of june)
4. People are growing and start to play Gamez less often. New generations are coming.

numgun's returning to soldat is an awesome argument too btw

as Arny said in "Kindergarten cop": "come'on! stop whining! you lack discipline!" (c)

ps: if you are losing your interest to soldat go play some other games, dont say SOLDAT is dying. Gah.

LOL! Your argument is so ignorant it's funny. You need glasses. (http://www.lucypepper.com/pt/livin-draws/1917-you-need-glasses) Because you aren't seeing things right.

Who here is whining???????????? Where the heck did you even GET that idea?????

We are not whining, and certainly not losing interest in Soldat. If we wanted soldat to die we wouldn't be trying to get more people to play soldat which is the whole point of this topic!

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2. Ignoring? maybe you are imaging too much? or panic too much? or you just want some attention?

As I said before, many people have seen the drop in players. If you had bothered to read the whole thread you would see that.

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3. There are always a drop in players on summer. The community is growing anyways. (it was 10000 users in the beginning of june)
Shouldn't players be going UP in the summer, like most games do? And is that 10K ACTIVE users? Not sure if that's the players in the servers or the people signed up at the forums...

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4. People are growing and start to play Gamez less often. New generations are coming.
New generations aren't going to come if they don't know about it! THAT is the whole point of this topic. I doubt most of us here have come to play soldat through an ad, or even seen an ad. It was probably through someone else, whether directly or indirectly. I know I came here through GameInformer's "Top ten games you've never heard of". THAT tells you something right there. Soldat is a great game, but no one knows of it. That probably brought in alot of players. When I came to play soldat I thought that was normal. That was probably just from the surge of players coming from GameInformer. They all left (exaggerating) after 1.4, because of the bugs and what not. Soldat needs an ad campaign or SOMETHING, that is the point of this thread, not only how to GET players but how to KEEP them, because we can't expect GameInformer to advertise for us again.

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1. Ive been playing Soldat for 5 (five) years.

Every week? For 5 years straight? Then you should have saw the drop in players from 1.3.1 to now.

"ps:" Whyz you only signz up in 2008z?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Mittsu on August 28, 2009, 11:12:51 am
this thread sucks so bad, how come its still alive...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Ragnaros on August 28, 2009, 12:27:09 pm
this thread sucks so bad, how come its still alive...
*blame on miketh2005*
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: PANZERCATWAGON on August 28, 2009, 01:19:54 pm
buy servers from enesce

hahahahaha

Donate to enesce

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: iDante on August 28, 2009, 02:29:55 pm
I've played since 1.2.* days and have noticed a drop in pubs and a rise in competitive games.

Games change over time, most don't last as long as soldat. If you want to advertise soldat to people then do so, we're not stopping you.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 28, 2009, 03:07:13 pm
buy servers from enesce

hahahahaha

Donate to enesce

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Or flab, lol. If you think something is wrong with enesce... donate to flab. No matter what you think of him you can't argue that he did alot and he hasn't abandoned Soldat like MM.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Meteorisch on August 28, 2009, 06:05:41 pm
First of all why would you offer more servers when the game is inactive? That makes no sense dudes.. the servers would remain empty..

And hmm yeah introducing people to mIRC isn't bad.

Alot of good players there, and alot of gathers in any kind of soldat mode.

As far as I know is that alot of players I've met 4/6 years ago are getting older around 18/20 and yeah life is getting more important then a game you know. :) But still some choose to keep gaming. Well not everyone does. So recruiting homies, friends in real life isn't a bad thing to do, if you really want to keep soldat that busy. Well that's my advice a bit. Dunno what else to do. Maybe talk to other gamers in other games about soldat. Well I don't really care that much about soldat anymore since I'm 18 and I'm just starting a 4 years car mechanic subject that's not just simple shit. I gotta focus on that and nothing less, ofcourse i'll still play games, but way less. :). And that's what happens when you're being around this age. Huuuraaay!

I still play soldat so yeah i'd ofcourse like to see changes in soldat, what should've happen ages ago already. Like no bugs and stuff (maybe a lot better anti cheat system). But that's my opinion.


Not much else to say :).

- DutchFlame
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on August 28, 2009, 08:43:59 pm
buy servers from enesce

hahahahaha

Donate to enesce

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Lol panzer!! Your a legend bro!!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: ~Niko~ on August 28, 2009, 09:23:39 pm
buy servers from enesce

hahahahaha

Donate to enesce

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh lol this was epic


We need to do something. About Soldat. For scripters: New game modes, new scripts. For people with money: donate to soldat. Donate to enesce, server owners, scripters, buy servers from enesce / U13 / Selfkill. Server owners: Make servers with popular scripts. Soldat makers: Make better/more features, trying your best? try better. I don't mean to be pushy or mean or anything, im just a lowlife server owner, right? I know.
Oh, so it's all of us who have to do stuff to keep soldat alive, right?
But I'm worried about Soldat. Come 4 years, Soldat will only have 5 servers...
By that time you will be playing another game you feckin whiner.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: F4||3N on August 28, 2009, 09:37:10 pm
Stop flaming miketh! He has a valid point!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 28, 2009, 09:37:31 pm
buy servers from enesce

hahahahaha

Donate to enesce

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh lol this was epic


We need to do something. About Soldat. For scripters: New game modes, new scripts. For people with money: donate to soldat. Donate to enesce, server owners, scripters, buy servers from enesce / U13 / Selfkill. Server owners: Make servers with popular scripts. Soldat makers: Make better/more features, trying your best? try better. I don't mean to be pushy or mean or anything, im just a lowlife server owner, right? I know.
Oh, so it's all of us who have to do stuff to keep soldat alive, right?
But I'm worried about Soldat. Come 4 years, Soldat will only have 5 servers...
By that time you will be playing another game you feckin whiner.

So, Mr. Genius, where is your time machine? How do YOU know that. I've been playing Soldat for 3 years, i do not expect to stop unless it dies. Please explain to me where you see me whine...

What the hell do you mean "Oh so it's all of us"? I own 2 servers, I bought soldat. I have popular servers with great scripts on them. I bought servers from enesce (not currently, because its just too expensive for me).

Stop flaming miketh! He has a valid point!

Thanks to you  ;)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on August 28, 2009, 09:39:08 pm
Come to think of it, one thing Soldat has that other games don't is the longevity of players, it seems. How many commercial games have the same (pretty much) number of players after 8+ years? How many commerical games care about the community's input? How many commercial games don't have competition? I really think nothing else out there is the same kind of game as Soldat, with completely comparable maps, scripts, physics, weapons, and gameplay.

For what it's worth, in my honest opinion, Soldat is an immortal one of a kind game.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 28, 2009, 11:29:31 pm
Come to think of it, one thing Soldat has that other games don't is the longevity of players, it seems. How many commercial games have the same (pretty much) number of players after 8+ years? How many commerical games care about the community's input? How many commercial games don't have competition? I really think nothing else out there is the same kind of game as Soldat, with completely comparable maps, scripts, physics, weapons, and gameplay.

For what it's worth, in my honest opinion, Soldat is an immortal one of a kind game.

Actually there was a Soldat clone, but I forgot the name. It must have faded out.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on August 29, 2009, 01:42:42 pm
How many commerical games care about the community's input?
A lot. :/ It's non-commercial games that don't always care about community input. Commercial games do care, in order to keep themselves alive.
Soldat, however, doesn't seem to be one of those games anymore. :|
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Meteorisch on August 29, 2009, 04:08:16 pm
Soldat is also becoming less active because, just look at the new games coming out in 2010. I've heard like 5 new mmorpg's coming out in Early 2010. And these games have way more better graphic's, gameplay, more fun, trying worthy.

The thing is why soldat is active because it's a old game. People who first tried it are most likely still playing, but I don't think people who play better games, would just play Soldat. :). This game is old, and will never be active as it was before. and since MM has no interest in it anymore, it will only be worser then worse. :). that's just the pointers.

Just play this game while it's still fun for now and a bit active. But afterall school just started soo maybe any changes soon, or if a better soldat version would come out -.-. What will probably take another 2 years.


bah =.= no more tips. get over it already guys. Soldat is 2d most likely not wanted by real gamers :)

-DutchyFlamey
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on August 29, 2009, 04:26:18 pm
Soldat is also becoming less active because, just look at the new games coming out in 2010. I've heard like 5 new mmorpg's coming out in Early 2010. And these games have way more better graphic's, gameplay, more fun, trying worthy.
Soldat has nothing to do with MMOs or any other games because it's unique. More fun gameplay? I doubt it. Even some modern games don't have gameplay nearly as interesting as Soldat's.
But I see your point. Every time I told someone about Soldat - they tried it and gave up. Almost every person complained about enormous amount of bugs, about how hard it is to get used to, poor graphics, hackers. It needs to be more presentable for general audience, not just hardcore gamers.

Soldat is 2d most likely not wanted by real gamers :)
Define "real gamers".. I think real gamers are the one who really value this game. Real gamers value gameplay, not graphics. And gameplay is what Soldat has at a very good level.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Dusty on August 29, 2009, 04:38:15 pm
Soldat is also becoming less active because, just look at the new games coming out in 2010. I've heard like 5 new mmorpg's coming out in Early 2010. And these games have way more better graphic's, gameplay, more fun, trying worthy.

The thing is why soldat is active because it's a old game. People who first tried it are most likely still playing, but I don't think people who play better games, would just play Soldat. :). This game is old, and will never be active as it was before. and since MM has no interest in it anymore, it will only be worser then worse. :). that's just the pointers.


Indeed, Meteorisch you can't say a game has "awesome" gameplay if it's not even out yet. New games are not necessarily better than Soldat. Gameplay is the main thing that keeps Soldat kickin'.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: F4||3N on August 29, 2009, 07:00:05 pm
I was playing Soldat two days after I brough callofduty mw/waw. aoe3. ut3. c&c tiberian wars (or whatevz), oblivion........

when someone sees me playing Soldat, they laugh and call me a f*g!

i nearly got one of my friends playing... but he sucked and kept getting pwnt so gave up!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Meteorisch on August 29, 2009, 07:29:07 pm
Ehm Real Gamers actually do play for the graphic's and the gameplay. You think playing games like warcraft I or II is actually cool? It's so ugly i wouldn't even watch a movie of it.

Soldat is different ofcourse just because of the characters and shooting style. There are not much games like this one. But still if people see me playing soldat and not even in fullscreen, it really looks like a failure kiddo game. No one likes it behind my back. Some friends of my even say: you can count the pixels :P for fun. hehe :P

I just play soldat for fun and not for any other thing, i somehow got addicted to it, and cant let it go !? weird isnt it. Well i can let it go, just by running away from my house.

And more games coming out actually does makes difference. People will be trying to play those, and are much more ranked ^^. And i know what the graphics and gameplay is of that games. Maybe watch trailers ><. just like Diablo III coming out so awesome will definitely play that shizzle.

More guys discuss... what do ya think about soldat, is it even possible to revive? ever considered that?
So far as i know it's not really going to the graveyard. mIRC is full of active players, but the lobby is empty as hell :D idc miRC is the basic thing to play for me, gathers > much more fun :).

Soldat is just alive just because of the players that ever met soldat, kept playing, and i don't really see any much newcommers.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Dusty on August 29, 2009, 07:44:52 pm
Real gamers are giving me laughs all the time. It's such a geeky term.

ALSO there's nothing cool in playing vidya games. Only if your gang is full of people who play them but they are not cool either sorry.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: F4||3N on August 29, 2009, 08:58:44 pm
It's confirmed.

Soldat WILL die soon!

A certain hacker is spamming his links in certain places!

Just played against 4-5 of them!

No one cares anymore. We had like 10 games, and no body kicked them!

I'm nearly ready to stop playing!

EDIT: I'm not going into specific details, so I don't think I'm breaking the rules.
- Just followed one of the links, and one had well over 6000 d/ls!
REALLY? No one hacks in this server? I'm sorry, I just get carried away sometimes! LMAO!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on August 29, 2009, 09:29:31 pm
Ehm Real Gamers actually do play for the graphic's and the gameplay. You think playing games like warcraft I or II is actually cool? It's so ugly i wouldn't even watch a movie of it.
Is that a fact, or you just assume so because you play for graphics and gameplay?
But still if people see me playing soldat and not even in fullscreen, it really looks like a failure kiddo game. No one likes it behind my back. Some friends of my even say: you can count the pixels  for fun. hehe
"If I listen to pop music my friends will call me a ***. So I listen to hard rock and hip-hop like everyone else" - this is what it sounds like.

Old games have much more than meets the eye. If you look beyond crappy graphics - you'll find that old games have unique style and charm that none of the new games have. People still play games like Mario, Diablo, Quake and there's no shame in it.

*is currently playing good ol' NES and SNES games*

It's confirmed.

Soldat WILL die soon!

A certain hacker is spamming his links in certain places!

Just played against 4-5 of them!

No one cares anymore. We had like 10 games, and no body kicked them!

I'm nearly ready to stop playing!

EDIT: I'm not going into specific details, so I don't think I'm breaking the rules.
- Just followed one of the links, and one had well over 6000 d/ls!
REALLY? No one hacks in this server? I'm sorry, I just get carried away sometimes! LMAO!
Gee, calm down, drama mama. Hackers always were and still are. It's not related to "Soldat dying" in any way. It's because BattlEye developer doesn't feel like updating his anti-cheat for Soldat. Nobody screamed that Soldat was dying in 1.3, when there were way more hackers than now.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Illuminatus on August 30, 2009, 11:37:56 am
Ehm Real Gamers actually do play for the graphic's and the gameplay.
Huh? Real Gamers play for fun, competition and atmosphere. Graphic gets pimped out by imagination.
After some hours of playing you don't see anymore you feel it...

I'm nearly ready to stop playing!
:D

It's because BattlEye developer doesn't feel like updating his anti-cheat for Soldat.
Read this (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35543.msg432328#msg432328).
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Ragnaros on August 30, 2009, 11:42:51 am
Come to think of it, one thing Soldat has that other games don't is the longevity of players, it seems. How many commercial games have the same (pretty much) number of players after 8+ years? How many commerical games care about the community's input? How many commercial games don't have competition? I really think nothing else out there is the same kind of game as Soldat, with completely comparable maps, scripts, physics, weapons, and gameplay.

For what it's worth, in my honest opinion, Soldat is an immortal one of a kind game.
Got that, miketh? He is absolutely right!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: hkayak on August 30, 2009, 12:34:45 pm
Come to think of it, one thing Soldat has that other games don't is the longevity of players, it seems. How many commercial games have the same (pretty much) number of players after 8+ years? How many commerical games care about the community's input? How many commercial games don't have competition? I really think nothing else out there is the same kind of game as Soldat, with completely comparable maps, scripts, physics, weapons, and gameplay.

For what it's worth, in my honest opinion, Soldat is an immortal one of a kind game.
Got that, miketh? He is absolutely right!

Hell yea! mafucka
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on August 30, 2009, 12:51:09 pm
Come to think of it, one thing Soldat has that other games don't is the longevity of players, it seems. How many commercial games have the same (pretty much) number of players after 8+ years? How many commerical games care about the community's input? How many commercial games don't have competition? I really think nothing else out there is the same kind of game as Soldat, with completely comparable maps, scripts, physics, weapons, and gameplay.

For what it's worth, in my honest opinion, Soldat is an immortal one of a kind game.
Got that, miketh? He is absolutely right!

Hell yea! maf**ka

User warned for this post.

And thanks Ragnaros. ;)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on August 30, 2009, 04:27:54 pm
just let soldat die, it's CRAP. no netcode no game engine there's nothing. LET IT DIE.

MM also wants soldat to die, I think he've clearly stated that a few times.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on August 30, 2009, 05:06:18 pm
Amen to that.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Shoozza on August 30, 2009, 06:45:47 pm
Possible reasons why Soldat is dieing:
- People with windows 98 cannot play anymore
- Soldat 1.5 had some bugs which
 a) annoyed people so that they stopped playing
 b) made it impossible for some people to play
- People get older and have less/no time for playing Soldat and there are not many new players joining
- Soldat gets less attention by MM so fanboys have less motivation to play it (yeah kidding)

These reasons are not facts but my personal impression.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on August 30, 2009, 08:54:10 pm
Do you really feel that many people still use Windows 98?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: AntiHero on August 30, 2009, 08:54:55 pm
Alright when I say to advertise I don't mean to freaking spam I mean just say "OH hai guy just found a awesome game called soldat you guys should play it ha ha :D!"
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Boots on August 31, 2009, 02:05:16 am
Amen to that.
haha, just because you're not welcome in to the aussie community :D scrub :D

just let soldat die, it's CRAP. no netcode no game engine there's nothing. LET IT DIE.

MM also wants soldat to die, I think he've clearly stated that a few times.
Ahhhh, yeah, coool. I've never seen MM say "I want soldat dead" so what the hell are you going on about? Got any source from where your vital information has came from?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: The Geologist on August 31, 2009, 02:50:19 am
Do you really feel that many people still use Windows 98?

One of the computers that helps to run a SEM where I work uses Windows 3.1.

Beat that.  I dare you.

SEM = scanning electron microscope = google it

Not really to the point here, but it is to the point that people do make use of outdated media when and where they can get it.  As for the death of Soldat, I think as long as the game is vigorously advertised and people continue to host servers things will be well and good.  That and some changes to the way things get done, to put things on an ambiguous note.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: InoX on August 31, 2009, 08:37:31 am
Weapons mods and scripts killed public server scene
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Illuminatus on August 31, 2009, 09:20:52 am
Weapons mods and scripts killed public server scene
thats true
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Leo on August 31, 2009, 09:28:33 am
Weapons mods and scripts killed public server scene
That's bullshits, without the scripts pubs would be dead long time ago. It's the script engine that keeps people playing at pubs.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: MattH on August 31, 2009, 10:17:21 am
Weapons mods and scripts killed public server scene
Wow that's a unfounded comment if I've ever seen one, I mean really go to the lobby, the full servers are the ones with weapon mods and scripts.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on August 31, 2009, 11:10:15 am
Amen to that.
haha, just because you're not welcome in to the aussie community :D scrub :D

just let soldat die, it's CRAP. no netcode no game engine there's nothing. LET IT DIE.

MM also wants soldat to die, I think he've clearly stated that a few times.
Ahhhh, yeah, coool. I've never seen MM say "I want soldat dead" so what the hell are you going on about? Got any source from where your vital information has came from?
Boots, you're ignorant tard (who would want to be a part of the aussie community lol?). having a 15 year old brat as the only developer is exactly as saying "I want this game to die". especially if that coder barely can code at all, like enesce.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on August 31, 2009, 11:37:02 am
Amen to that.
haha, just because you're not welcome in to the aussie community :D scrub :D

just let soldat die, it's CRAP. no netcode no game engine there's nothing. LET IT DIE.

MM also wants soldat to die, I think he've clearly stated that a few times.
Ahhhh, yeah, coool. I've never seen MM say "I want soldat dead" so what the hell are you going on about? Got any source from where your vital information has came from?
Boots, you're ignorant tard (who would want to be a part of the aussie community lol?). having a 15 year old brat as the only developer is exactly as saying "I want this game to die". especially if that coder barely can code at all, like enesce.

Well, the point is, he is trying! I would be so frustrated with everyone breathing down my back and critizing me all the time, if I were enesce, I would just give up. As you said, he is only 15, he still has to learn, but it's amazing that he knows at least a little coding at that age. When he grows he will be better and better. Everything relies on practice. I don't care if soldat has 30 lines of code as an engine. It still has good gameplay! That's what matters, at least remove most bugs, then we will be happy, and you can tell enesce to give up, because if he trys more he will break it again.

You know what I say to MM? Release beserker and/or link-dead, THEN you can say let Soldat die, providing they are better than Soldat. I would still like him to make Soldat 2, when Link dead and berserker are finished and all bugs worked out.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: croat1gamer on August 31, 2009, 11:43:15 am
Tribes.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on August 31, 2009, 12:01:39 pm
enesce is like 20 or something.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Dusty on August 31, 2009, 01:37:07 pm
Oh my Major you're still here. I suggest you to find something better to do honestly mang. First you bash Soldat and then you spent x amount of time to create a HOW TO PLAY GUIDE that's just hilarious.

As for EnEsCe being bad in coding - no he's not. Of course he could do things better, but it's not about coding. Methinks he should spend more time with the community and listen more to our opinion than his own. He should also take a look at MM his PR things, especially the twitter part.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: croat1gamer on August 31, 2009, 01:57:06 pm
Obviously almost noone noticed that 1.5 was made only by eC, and noone else, which is really good for one person.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Dusty on August 31, 2009, 01:58:04 pm
You should remember that it wasn't built from a scratch, most of it is still done by MM. 1.5 wasn't that good anyway.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on August 31, 2009, 02:34:28 pm
Oh my Major you're still here. I suggest you to find something better to do honestly mang. First you bash Soldat and then you spent x amount of time to create a HOW TO PLAY GUIDE that's just hilarious.
lol, I pretty much was annoyed at noobs, so I thought it would help them a bit (since only like 20% of irc players knows how to info, and like 5% how to use teamplay). also because it's kinda fun to use sony vegas and listen trough music~(and it didn't take too many hours >:(.).
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Dusty on August 31, 2009, 02:35:46 pm
ok~~~~~
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on August 31, 2009, 02:38:22 pm
You guys do know that MM started the project known now as soldat when he was, what, 16? Give EnEsCe a break, forgive him his mistakes and help him out instead of busting his balls.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on August 31, 2009, 02:46:04 pm
You guys do know that MM started the project known now as soldat when he was, what, 16? Give EnEsCe a break, forgive him his mistakes and help him out instead of busting his balls.
:D?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Mittsu on August 31, 2009, 02:59:21 pm
You guys do know that MM started the project known now as soldat when he was, what, 16? Give EnEsCe a break, forgive him his mistakes and help him out instead of busting his balls.

from what i've heard, he is rejecting any help and trying to work by himself only (and at the same time people are saying "come on, he's only one, doing entire game!", thats just ridiculous). 1.5 is messed up, i dont see any fixes for major bugs, enesce is cut out from the community after doing some epic swindling around soldat. And you are amazed people react on it? If he gave up, someone else would take his place, how can you know it wouldn't better that way? I think he should just stick to server renting, cause he's doing it good, but doesn't seem reliable when it comes to running such a big project like Soldat. And it's not only about coding.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on August 31, 2009, 03:37:47 pm
You guys do know that MM started the project known now as soldat when he was, what, 16? Give EnEsCe a break, forgive him his mistakes and help him out instead of busting his balls.

from what i've heard, he is rejecting any help and trying to work by himself only (and at the same time people are saying "come on, he's only one, doing entire game!", thats just ridiculous). 1.5 is messed up, i dont see any fixes for major bugs, enesce is cut out from the community after doing some epic swindling around soldat. And you are amazed people react on it? If he gave up, someone else would take his place, how can you know it wouldn't better that way? I think he should just stick to server renting, cause he's doing it good, but doesn't seem reliable when it comes to running such a big project like Soldat. And it's not only about coding.
not very reliable to fake pings~, imo everyone should stop renting from eC, because NOBODY should support him.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: numgun on September 01, 2009, 04:50:45 am
You guys do know that MM started the project known now as soldat when he was, what, 16? Give EnEsCe a break, forgive him his mistakes and help him out instead of busting his balls.

from what i've heard, he is rejecting any help and trying to work by himself only (and at the same time people are saying "come on, he's only one, doing entire game!", thats just ridiculous). 1.5 is messed up, i dont see any fixes for major bugs, enesce is cut out from the community after doing some epic swindling around soldat. And you are amazed people react on it? If he gave up, someone else would take his place, how can you know it wouldn't better that way? I think he should just stick to server renting, cause he's doing it good, but doesn't seem reliable when it comes to running such a big project like Soldat. And it's not only about coding.

Soldat isnt open source. And if there will be lots of people "helping" it will make things even more complex. Just let NSC do what he does, he knows there are bugs and he's fixing them.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Illuminatus on September 01, 2009, 07:07:53 am
That's bulls**ts, without the scripts pubs would be dead long time ago. It's the script engine that keeps people playing at pubs.

Imo not. There are many people I know who cry for more standard public server. Why do I have to use Gathers to play like I played years ago on public servers? And I don't need scripting stuff, crazy gravity servers, hexer-mods and stuff like that. Yeah maybe it's fun - but it's not the reason why I fell in love with Soldat. Apart from modding I want to play MM's game like he intended it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: F4||3N on September 01, 2009, 09:47:33 am
True. Lots of people complain about not enough normal public servers.
I've never heard anyone complain about wm servers!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Leo on September 01, 2009, 11:00:13 am
"Lots of people" are only a few members of this forum. You can't have a successful pub with few people. When you actually pay you want your server to be used. I don't know if you understand it but majority of soldat players don't know, care or ever visit these forums.  ::)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 01, 2009, 11:23:55 am
"Lots of people" are only a few members of this forum. You can't have a successful pub with few people. When you actually pay you want your server to be used. I don't know if you understand it but majority of soldat players don't know, care or ever visit these forums.  ::)

I COMPLETELY agree with this man! lol

Even !Elite tried a public normal server and it failed! No one came. No one wants an empty server.

But, there are plenty of public normal servers that are there but just not being used! There is fractured, clangames, darkcats, and some brazilian ones. And there are more. I don't understand what you are complaining about, there are plenty. Just might not be one where you live. Move to a better country.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on September 01, 2009, 12:52:26 pm
You want us to change our homes for a game? You need a life...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Dusty on September 01, 2009, 01:20:27 pm
Joke, no? This is a serious topic for serious people, no sarcasm allowed.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 01, 2009, 11:16:33 pm
You want us to change our homes for a game? You need a life...

It was sarcasm.

EDIT: or exaggerating, whatever you want to call it. Just saying that it's not our fault you live in a country that doesn't have a soldat server near you / have bad internet.

Just scratch everything. Just host your own soldat server. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on September 02, 2009, 12:56:02 am
Enesce will start to realise when he needs US is when we stop renting his servers or anything to do with him. If we stop he won't get money etc...and he will then realise he should listen to the community and do something about it. For now, we keep feeding him and he's not caring.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Boots on September 02, 2009, 06:27:10 am
Amen to that.
haha, just because you're not welcome in to the aussie community :D scrub :D

just let soldat die, it's CRAP. no netcode no game engine there's nothing. LET IT DIE.

MM also wants soldat to die, I think he've clearly stated that a few times.
Ahhhh, yeah, coool. I've never seen MM say "I want soldat dead" so what the hell are you going on about? Got any source from where your vital information has came from?
Boots, you're ignorant tard (who would want to be a part of the aussie community lol?). having a 15 year old brat as the only developer is exactly as saying "I want this game to die". especially if that coder barely can code at all, like enesce.
Well considering Clownman/Scareface/Asshat is Australian, not being allowed in his own community is pretty darn funny. He is also banned from sna, and fracs.

Why am I an ignorant tard? Because you can't back up your "imfornation" ?

Grow up.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on September 02, 2009, 08:37:45 am
Amen to that.
haha, just because you're not welcome in to the aussie community :D scrub :D

just let soldat die, it's CRAP. no netcode no game engine there's nothing. LET IT DIE.

MM also wants soldat to die, I think he've clearly stated that a few times.
Ahhhh, yeah, coool. I've never seen MM say "I want soldat dead" so what the hell are you going on about? Got any source from where your vital information has came from?
Boots, you're ignorant tard (who would want to be a part of the aussie community lol?). having a 15 year old brat as the only developer is exactly as saying "I want this game to die". especially if that coder barely can code at all, like enesce.
Well considering Clownman/Scareface/Asshat is Australian, not being allowed in his own community is pretty darn funny. He is also banned from sna, and fracs.

Why am I an ignorant tard? Because you can't back up your "imfornation" ?

Grow up.
ye, I totally gotta grow up. adults bashing kids is the blizz of adulthood.
also I did back up my information, and got some agreements.

this said, you still stay a tard.

:|
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Ragnaros on September 02, 2009, 01:23:50 pm
You want us to change our homes for a game? You need a life...

It was sarcasm.

EDIT: or exaggerating, whatever you want to call it. Just saying that it's not our fault you live in a country that doesn't have a soldat server near you / have bad internet.
no, it wasnt a sarcasm, duh

[...] Just might not be one where you live. Move to a better country.
You reeeeaally need a life...

Quote from: miketh2005
Boots, you're ignorant tard (who would want to be a part of the aussie community lol?). having a 15 year old brat as the only developer is exactly as saying "I want this game to die". especially if that coder barely can code at all, like enesce.

Why am I an ignorant tard? Because you can't back up your "imfornation" ?

Grow up.
yeah GROW UP, miketh


offtopic:
@-Major-: always wanted to ask you, major... why is your avatar seems SO FUCKIN GAY to me? nothing personal...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 02, 2009, 02:24:39 pm
Umm???????????????????????????????

The above post is sooooo gay, it's unbelievable. I'm speechless. I'm going to try my best to reply, typing 1 letter at a time...

1. I said "or exaggerating, whatever you want to call it."
2. I already said to scratch the above, anyway.
3. I said to make your own server, problem solved.
4. He was not quoting me, and the "Quote" button does not make a mistake like that. You added that in there to make it look like I said that, which I didn't. He never told me to grow up, he told -Major- to grow up.


YET, you totally ignore the above and only argue at points that aren't even relevant anymore. That is childish, foolish, whatever you want to call it, that's not how a good debate is argued. There is also no room for insults on this forum, or a good debate will turn into a flaming war, as 1 insult will lead to another (rightfully so. this, however, should be the last).

Argue like a man, dude.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on September 02, 2009, 03:46:04 pm
Enesce will start to realise when he needs US is when we stop renting his servers or anything to do with him. If we stop he won't get money etc...and he will then realise he should listen to the community and do something about it. For now, we keep feeding him and he's not caring.

In other words, "Listen to us or we won't pay you.". I think it's wrong and not really helpful.
It should be "Listen to us because our points of view will help you make Soldat better".
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Boots on September 02, 2009, 07:02:21 pm
Amen to that.
haha, just because you're not welcome in to the aussie community :D scrub :D

just let soldat die, it's CRAP. no netcode no game engine there's nothing. LET IT DIE.

MM also wants soldat to die, I think he've clearly stated that a few times.
Ahhhh, yeah, coool. I've never seen MM say "I want soldat dead" so what the hell are you going on about? Got any source from where your vital information has came from?
Boots, you're ignorant tard (who would want to be a part of the aussie community lol?). having a 15 year old brat as the only developer is exactly as saying "I want this game to die". especially if that coder barely can code at all, like enesce.
Well considering Clownman/Scareface/Asshat is Australian, not being allowed in his own community is pretty darn funny. He is also banned from sna, and fracs.

Why am I an ignorant tard? Because you can't back up your "imfornation" ?

Grow up.
ye, I totally gotta grow up. adults bashing kids is the blizz of adulthood.
also I did back up my information, and got some agreements.

this said, you still stay a tard.

:|
I read most of your posts, and all your information had no facts behind backing it up. I asked you to show me where you got your vital information from, but all you could say is "Boots, you're an ignorant tard".

It's a wonder the admins havn't taken control of this thread, because its going no where. Pretty sure a year ago, If I called someone a "tard" or insulting them in any way possible, I would have got a ban.

The best way you could have just left this arguement out of place, Major, you could have simply showed me the posts where you had backed up your "facts".
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: PQ on September 02, 2009, 08:23:06 pm
So sad to see that soldat=life for some people.
It's also sad that I have to be drunk to have the courage to post something like this.

Soldat is dying. Do you guys know what RIP means. Rest in peace. Let soldat rest in peace. It's time has come. It will take a long time till everyone forgot about soldat, but hosting servers won't change a thing. I am hosting 8 servers on a rented dedicated server in France and they are empty about 90% of the time.

Just make friends in real life. Get used to live without soldat. Some people might have to change their life really much and some might find it really hard to talk to someone in real life, but you can do it! I believe in you! Change your lifestyle, don't play soldat 1-7 hours a day, don't visit this forum every day. You can do it!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 02, 2009, 08:53:56 pm
So sad to see that soldat=life for some people.
It's also sad that I have to be drunk to have the courage to post something like this.

Soldat is dying. Do you guys know what RIP means. Rest in peace. Let soldat rest in peace. It's time has come. It will take a long time till everyone forgot about soldat, but hosting servers won't change a thing. I am hosting 8 servers on a rented dedicated server in France and they are empty about 90% of the time.

Just make friends in real life. Get used to live without soldat. Some people might have to change their life really much and some might find it really hard to talk to someone in real life, but you can do it! I believe in you! Change your lifestyle, don't play soldat 1-7 hours a day, don't visit this forum every day. You can do it!

May I ask what type of servers your servers are, including name, and address please?

Thanks, I'm sure we can solve your issue in no time, and thank you for contacting Customer Service.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on September 03, 2009, 12:45:47 am
I read most of your posts, and all your information had no facts behind backing it up. I asked you to show me where you got your vital information from, but all you could say is "Boots, you're an ignorant tard".

It's a wonder the admins havn't taken control of this thread, because its going no where. Pretty sure a year ago, If I called someone a "tard" or insulting them in any way possible, I would have got a ban.

The best way you could have just left this arguement out of place, Major, you could have simply showed me the posts where you had backed up your "facts".
Too bad only about 3 posts out of my 850+ posts is about this, gj reading most of my posts tho.
and yeah, kinda hard to show proof when enesce keeps going on and permanently deleting it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Boots on September 03, 2009, 01:45:23 am
I read most of your posts, and all your information had no facts behind backing it up. I asked you to show me where you got your vital information from, but all you could say is "Boots, you're an ignorant tard".

It's a wonder the admins havn't taken control of this thread, because its going no where. Pretty sure a year ago, If I called someone a "tard" or insulting them in any way possible, I would have got a ban.

The best way you could have just left this arguement out of place, Major, you could have simply showed me the posts where you had backed up your "facts".
Too bad only about 3 posts out of my 850+ posts is about this, gj reading most of my posts tho.
and yeah, kinda hard to show proof when enesce keeps going on and permanently deleting it.
congrats.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on September 03, 2009, 05:36:22 am
Hey bootz, just because I've quit from the aussoldat community if you can call it that doesn't mean shit. You think ur somethin special by barging in on every thread I'm in. So cool, and quit tryin 2 bag -Major- out, ur making urself look stupid, oh wait it's impossible for you not to do that. Bootz btw, if your so good why did you result to hax in 1.3 ha.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Boots on September 03, 2009, 06:04:59 am
Hey bootz, just because I've quit from the aussoldat community if you can call it that doesn't mean s**t. You think ur somethin special by barging in on every thread I'm in. So cool, and quit tryin 2 bag -Major- out, ur making urself look stupid, oh wait it's impossible for you not to do that. Bootz btw, if your so good why did you result to hax in 1.3 ha.
Ahh, maturity.

1. You didn't quit aussoldat, you got banned, blacklisted. It does mean shit, it means you can't play soldat in your own country.
2. I only bag you out in everythread you post in because it's funny to see you retaliate.
3. I'm not bagging out "major". I was asking a simple question, he took it out of hand, called me arrogant, I did nothing to offend him in anyway before that.
4. I think you're the stupid one here

Bootz btw, if your so good why did you result to hax in 1.3 ha.
Never said I was good. Never hacked in 1.3.1. I hacked 1.2 on LAN, and GameArena 2 INF once, and only once. Thats when I was a stupid young teenager. And for you knowlage, alot of players have hacked in the past.

Although, what I find funny is that you and parasite currently make hacks, and use them in public servers, and cws. Give up already clownman, its a wonder you've lastest so long on these forums.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Illuminatus on September 03, 2009, 07:07:44 am
....stop bitching
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on September 03, 2009, 07:19:03 am
Bootz btw, if your so good why did you result to hax in 1.3 ha.
Never said I was good. Never hacked in 1.3.1. I hacked 1.2 on LAN, and GameArena 2 INF once, and only once. Thats when I was a stupid young teenager. And for you knowlage, alot of players have hacked in the past.

Although, what I find funny is that you and parasite currently make hacks, and use them in public servers, and cws. Give up already clownman, its a wonder you've lastest so long on these forums.
Have fun with your ban Boots.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on September 03, 2009, 07:31:06 am
Erm, can anyone of you rightful admins lock this?
It's gotten useless and turned into an a personal argument.
And soldat isn't dying, it's dead.
// Your wrists or go find another cool game.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on September 03, 2009, 07:35:31 am
Major, Bootz has always been like this. He never changes, he's still continues to live in the past and "tries" to piss me off despite still failing. He starts all the commotion and arguments. He's trying to bring aussoldat into these forums...trolling and trying to start flame wars here. Just because Australia has a pathetic soldat community doesn't mean you can bring it along here.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Mittsu on September 03, 2009, 08:14:29 am
lol u guys
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: numgun on September 03, 2009, 09:01:42 am
The content of this thread is more along these lines:

SOLDAT IS ALIVE, HOW DO WE KILL IT?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: MattH on September 03, 2009, 09:38:55 am
The content of this thread is more along these lines:

SOLDAT IS ALIVE, HOW DO WE KILL IT?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on September 03, 2009, 02:18:06 pm
Bootz btw, if your so good why did you result to hax in 1.3 ha.
Never said I was good. Never hacked in 1.3.1. I hacked 1.2 on LAN, and GameArena 2 INF once, and only once. Thats when I was a stupid young teenager. And for you knowlage, alot of players have hacked in the past.

Although, what I find funny is that you and parasite currently make hacks, and use them in public servers, and cws. Give up already clownman, its a wonder you've lastest so long on these forums.
Have fun with your ban Boots.
- still waiting.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on September 03, 2009, 02:58:44 pm
The content of this thread is more along these lines:

SOLDAT IS ALIVE, HOW DO WE KILL IT?

Ahah, good one. :D
And I second that this thread has become pathetic and should be locked.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 03, 2009, 03:16:16 pm
Just stay on-topic and it won't get locked. This is to help the community, not a whine thread. Take your problems to another thread.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on September 03, 2009, 03:23:21 pm
I think reviving a game is up to its developers, not players. Players are something that shows if the game is dead or alive. A lot of happy players - game lives. Players complain and leave - game is dying.
(I don't know about the "leave" part. I'm not planning to leave anytime soon, nor any of my buddies.)

By the current state of the community I'd say that Soldat isn't dead yet, but definitely needs some medical attention. We'll see what our "doctor" will do about that in 1.5.1.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Xxypher on September 03, 2009, 11:59:04 pm
Just advertise Soldat when you have the chance.
Get some ads out there.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Kagesha on September 04, 2009, 05:08:01 am
ads = money

not everyone donates
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on September 04, 2009, 08:58:27 am
Bootz btw, if your so good why did you result to hax in 1.3 ha.
Never said I was good. Never hacked in 1.3.1. I hacked 1.2 on LAN, and GameArena 2 INF once, and only once. Thats when I was a stupid young teenager. And for you knowlage, alot of players have hacked in the past.
[/quote]

You still are a stupid teenager now and you never change. Also stop trying to get us all banned and muted you ***got. You've already caused like 3 flamewars on this forum. Go back to ur corrupted website aussoldat, oh wait it got deleted I wonder why. He's trying to bring his idiocy to our forums.

ONTOPIC: Ads would help get more people involved in the game although who is going to have the money to advertise and the time to do all of it too.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 04, 2009, 11:57:31 am
Even if ads bring people to Soldat, how are we gonna get them to stay? As you said, I guess it's up to the developers.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Boots on September 04, 2009, 10:46:43 pm
Bootz btw, if your so good why did you result to hax in 1.3 ha.
Never said I was good. Never hacked in 1.3.1. I hacked 1.2 on LAN, and GameArena 2 INF once, and only once. Thats when I was a stupid young teenager. And for you knowlage, alot of players have hacked in the past.

Although, what I find funny is that you and parasite currently make hacks, and use them in public servers, and cws. Give up already clownman, its a wonder you've lastest so long on these forums.
Have fun with your ban Boots.
I havn't done anything wrong? Nice mute, honestly...

Major, Bootz has always been like this. He never changes, he's still continues to live in the past and "tries" to piss me off despite still failing. He starts all the commotion and arguments. He's trying to bring aussoldat into these forums...trolling and trying to start flame wars here. Just because Australia has a pathetic soldat community doesn't mean you can bring it along here.
[retard]

Quote
[13:44] <kagesha> hes such a fake on SF

Keep trying, this is another level of stupidity from you, clownman.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Xxypher on September 04, 2009, 10:56:18 pm
Even if ads bring people to Soldat, how are we gonna get them to stay? As you said, I guess it's up to the developers.
That is up to taste, but at least the ads could bring people in.
I say, if you own a website or something, be a pal, advertise Soldat a little to help bring in traffic.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Boots on September 04, 2009, 10:58:51 pm
And soldat isn't dying, it's dead.
// Your wrists or go find another cool game.
Nope, it isn't dead yet.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on September 05, 2009, 12:42:17 am
You just admitted to hacking, and now you think you havn't done anything wrong?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 05, 2009, 01:57:40 am
Even if ads bring people to Soldat, how are we gonna get them to stay? As you said, I guess it's up to the developers.
That is up to taste, but at least the ads could bring people in.
I say, if you own a website or something, be a pal, advertise Soldat a little to help bring in traffic.

I put soldat in my sig in every forum I'med signed up at. Just get a little soldat userbar and hotlink it with a little description of what it is and its free and stuff, example:

2D Multi-Player Side Scrolling Shooter Game. Soldat. Click here, it's free! No sign up / registration required. Just download and play! (http://www.soldat.pl)
(http://summit.connection.free.fr/Soldat/userbars/SoldatPlayer.gif) (http://www.soldat.pl)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Raphael on September 05, 2009, 02:14:47 am
You just admitted to hacking, and now you think you havn't done anything wrong?

Stop wasting everyones time and topic space Clownman & Bootz.

The Aus community has caught you hacking numerous times Clownman. You're in no position to preach on righteousness, even if it IS on a 2D game.

Both you and bootz can cut the crap now, let the thread stay on path now.


ALSO, I like mikeths idea, ^ simple but could help.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: croat1gamer on September 05, 2009, 02:58:15 am
Or even better.
DONT advert soldat with that way.
Only thing youll get is a few players for a week or two.
Link them to this (http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=soldat.forums) to get possible players introduced into Soldat.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on September 05, 2009, 07:48:22 am
You just admitted to hacking, and now you think you havn't done anything wrong?

Stop wasting everyones time and topic space Clownman & Bootz.

The Aus community has caught you hacking numerous times Clownman. You're in no position to preach on righteousness, even if it IS on a 2D game.

Both you and bootz can cut the crap now, let the thread stay on path now.


ALSO, I like mikeths idea, ^ simple but could help.

Wtf are you on about you tool. I've never hacked ever. Don't put words in my mouth. Did you sign up here too Raphael to cause more flamewars? Go back to ur own corrupted forum dumbass.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: D4NG3R NL on September 05, 2009, 09:30:42 am
to make soldat more attractive to public, they should at least:

1, Utilize higher resolutions better.
2, Increase the texture dimensions and make them higher detailed.
3, Increase the size of everything! make 800x600 the new standard.
4, Better connection support (Latency's in soldat are quite high)


1, I am currently registered to soldat *yay* and I tried to use a higher resolution.. I tried 800x600, it lags like hell!

2, Fits to number 3 very well

3, 800x600 would be a GREAT update! better character details. Weapon's could be better detailed, the surrounding EVERYTHING. If you use a higher detail right now, everything just becomes smaller...

4, For whatever reason soldat has rather high pings... on other games when I connect to America my ping is still about 60. on soldat it reaches 150+ by ease!
(altho you could still use 640x480)
 
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Ragnaros on September 05, 2009, 11:15:43 am
Even if ads bring people to Soldat, how are we gonna get them to stay? As you said, I guess it's up to the developers.
That is up to taste, but at least the ads could bring people in.
I say, if you own a website or something, be a pal, advertise Soldat a little to help bring in traffic.

I put soldat in my sig in every forum I'med signed up at. Just get a little soldat userbar and hotlink it with a little description of what it is and its free and stuff, example:

2D Multi-Player Side Scrolling Shooter Game. Soldat. Click here, it's free! No sign up / registration required. Just download and play! (http://www.soldat.pl)
(http://summit.connection.free.fr/Soldat/userbars/SoldatPlayer.gif) (http://www.soldat.pl)

hey miketh, you know, thats a good idea. the first 100% good idea in this thread. ill follow your advice and ill use your userbar at othr forums.

really useful idea, lets use it!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Shard on September 05, 2009, 11:39:45 am
I run soldat at 1024x768. 800x600 looks gay if its not in window mode. It looks better at higher resolutions.

I agree with mikethes, good idea.

And if scareface and boots would drop it that would be nice.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 05, 2009, 11:58:15 am
I run soldat at 1024x768. 800x600 looks gay if its not in window mode. It looks better at higher resolutions.

I agree with mikethes, good idea.

And if scareface and boots would drop it that would be nice.

Me too.

Thanks to everyone who likes my idea, finally something good is coming out of this topic.

More ideas, please!

I agree with D4NG3R NL, just a change like that will greatly increase the graphics! There has been a post like this awhile back...

Or even better.
DONT advert soldat with that way.
Only thing youll get is a few players for a week or two.
Link them to this (http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=soldat.forums) to get possible players introduced into Soldat.

That should be on the homepage...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Boots on September 05, 2009, 11:50:42 pm
I'm going to add that userbar to every forum I visit (that isn't soldat related) to sign up :D. Good idea there miketh.

And if scareface and boots would drop it that would be nice.
Sorry for kinda' hijacking the thread :p.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Shard on September 07, 2009, 03:05:56 pm
Its cool, we all get carried away sometimes :P. At least we got something good out of it!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 07, 2009, 04:42:00 pm
Its cool, we all get carried away sometimes :P. At least we got something good out of it!

What was that, again?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: F4||3N on September 07, 2009, 10:59:25 pm
http://www.funmessenger.com/ (http://www.funmessenger.com/) (free chat site)

Go there. Spam! It doesn't matter, everyone else does.
I use to go on there a few years ago when I was bored.
No need to reg just type username etc... and there's generally a couple hundred people in there. Sometimes 1000+

Or make a bot to spam. Everyone else does! Just don't trust anyone.... You'll quite often find old men pretending to be 14.... LUL!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on September 07, 2009, 11:15:02 pm
Go there. Spam! It doesn't matter, everyone else does.

Or make a bot to spam. Everyone else does! Just don't trust anyone.... You'll quite often find old men pretending to be 14.... LUL!
I hope you were just being sarcastic.
Spam = low and cheap. Not only it will annoy other users, but it will create a bad impression about Soldat. Good games shouldn't fall so low as to rely on spam to attract players.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: F4||3N on September 07, 2009, 11:22:36 pm
Actually.... No....

Being sarcastic is against the law.

It's not a forum.... No problem spamming.

Nothing extreme. I mean, go there a few times a day (to reach all time zones) and send a few links!

Or, you can be extreme. It's not like people aren't going to play it if you spam Soldat.
The more links you spam, the greater chance people are going to click it.

But don't just spam the link. Explain what it is!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on September 07, 2009, 11:43:30 pm
Well personally, I stay away from what's being spammed on purpose (even if I really do feel like clicking the link). And maybe I'm not the only one.
In chats it's more "allowed" simply because chats are real-time and harder to moderate. I think spamming in chat is just as bad as in forums.
And you can't really go "not extreme" with spamming. Spam is either extreme or useless (but IMO in both cases it's still not a good thing).

Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Shard on September 09, 2009, 01:54:12 pm
I sent a text message advertising soldat into the Metro, a few news paper looked at by thousands of Dubliners per day. I just hope they post it.

Why not try stuff like this. Whats wrong with a little real world advertising :D
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on September 09, 2009, 03:16:24 pm
I sent a text message advertising soldat into the Metro, a few news paper looked at by thousands of Dubliners per day. I just hope they post it.

Why not try stuff like this. Whats wrong with a little real world advertising :D
Interesting idea, but I doubt many gamers read newspapers. :S
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on September 09, 2009, 03:46:24 pm
After talking to someone at school today, I really doubt Soldat is actually dying.

So, my classmate and I started talking about computer stuff in Networking class, and I mentioned Soldat. He said he heard of it and it was "a really really old game that's extremely customizable and I hate dealing with people bragging about how modded their installation is."

I still don't feel Soldat is dying since many people know of it and play it still. Not all of them play online though.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on September 09, 2009, 04:07:02 pm
I had about an hour with bots today, just to train the weapons I'm too weak with to train them online, with Bloody soil, necromancide, and gore playing...Them were the times :D
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Illuminatus on September 09, 2009, 04:17:26 pm
I had about an hour with bots today
gosh, hell knows when I played with bots last time...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: xurich on September 09, 2009, 06:25:21 pm
I put soldat in my sig in every forum I'med signed up at. Just get a little soldat userbar and hotlink it with a little description of what it is and its free and stuff, example:

2D Multi-Player Side Scrolling Shooter Game. Soldat. Click here, it's free! No sign up / registration required. Just download and play! (http://www.soldat.pl)
(http://summit.connection.free.fr/Soldat/userbars/SoldatPlayer.gif) (http://www.soldat.pl)

As others have noted, this is a really good idea.

In addition, I suggest posting a topic about Soldat on forums where you're already an established member. Just make a small post in the off-topic section about the game, providing some brief info and asking if anybody would like to get a game going sometime. That's basically how I found Soldat, and nearly six years later I'm still here. Don't join forums specifically for this purpose, but if you're already a member somewhere and post somewhat regularly, give it a go, and try to set up a time to play with other forum members to introduce them to the game, and maybe do it a few times. Hopefully it'll provide an opportunity to get them hooked. :P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Mittsu on September 09, 2009, 08:21:57 pm
i found about soldat the same way - on forums of some different game, somewhere in offtopic section  8)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on September 11, 2009, 12:57:56 am
i found about soldat the same way - on forums of some different game, somewhere in offtopic section  8)

So I'm the only one who found Soldat with Google searching for "Free multiplayer online shooter" on the ~6th page of results?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: F4||3N on September 11, 2009, 01:32:31 am
So I'm the only one who found Soldat with Google searching for "Free multiplayer online shooter" on the ~6th page of results?

Nupp! Well mine was "Free online games, cause I'm getting sick of UT2 demo"
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: blackdevil0742 on September 11, 2009, 01:36:03 am
I found mine in a magazine that I only bought that one time. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that :p
What keeps me playing from time to time is the members of the different servers.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 11, 2009, 03:21:42 am
I found mine in a magazine that I only bought that one time. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that :p
What keeps me playing from time to time is the members of the different servers.

GameInformer, right?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: homerofgods on September 11, 2009, 04:03:03 am
Would be fun if Jermy from Pure pwnage found soldat in the series and loled about the /pwn command.

Is there any way we could spread the game in the WOW comunity?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on September 11, 2009, 11:34:06 am
@jrgp: With me it was the 4th page of the results, I played it on my cousin's computer, forgot it's name, and found it on google xD
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: SOoly on September 18, 2009, 02:52:20 pm
i know ... make version without hits ..
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Crimson Goth on September 18, 2009, 06:26:52 pm
Yea it seems the hits/eat bug increases with every version.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Kagesha on September 18, 2009, 06:27:56 pm
so does the whine
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Ricrylonten on September 18, 2009, 06:35:35 pm
So does how cute you little australians are <3333
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: RemiX on September 23, 2009, 05:04:29 am
I think reviving a game is up to its developers, not players.

By the current state of the community I'd say that Soldat isn't dead yet, but definitely needs some medical attention. We'll see what our "doctor" will do about that in 1.5.1.

Thats very true, and the key word in that first sentence is "developers". Look at any other successful game and you will see a team of developers making sure the game runs smooth with no errors and also making sure all updates and patches are bug free and very polished. I have had people try out this game and there biggest complaint is how many errors are associated with it. Having a bug free version will definitely make a big difference in the growth. Having one person run a game is ensuring failure. We honestly need a group of people to thoroughly look though, and make sure everything is polished.
Another example of only having one person run somthing is Sable. Sable is in charge of out hacking sercurity in soldat. Now with every new version of soldat BattleEye is reset and it is Sable's job to make sure BE is up-to-date with recent hacks. 1.5 comes out and BE's protection is no where to be found. Months after release BE is still failing to do anything. Hackers are running free while SCTFL and SRL are going on. Now I he has done some updates with BE and will eventually start adding hacks to be detected, but there still is a problem. We have one guy trying to protect soldat of hacks while there are dozens of hackers trying to bypass his system, and successfully doing it.

So my opinion of reviving soldat is there to be a bug free version of soldat out, and a hack protection that actually works. How is this to work? By having not only one person try to run the show, but by having other help out with the process.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Illuminatus on September 23, 2009, 09:23:45 am
a bug free version of soldat
haha!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on September 23, 2009, 11:10:03 am
a bug free version of soldat
haha!

At least say it's impossible, Shoozza's already explained why.
Although you COULD reduce the bugs to an amount that people wouldn't bother noticing.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: masimoto on September 27, 2009, 05:38:56 pm
Answering the original question on how to revive Soldat, my answer is plain and simple: Be nice.
No, I am serious. I started playing Soldat about a month ago and the gameplay was great! And then as I started to get used to the way things work in Soldat I started noticing that the people playing aren't all that friendly. Online friendships have been established between players who I assume have been playing a lot longer than I have, and these people seem hard pressed to be helpful or generally nice to noobs. I've been kicked repeatedly for being a noob, towards things, to the point where I was banned, which led me to join this forum in the first place about a week ago. Some people on the forum have been nice with my problems and helpful, but I've also already gotten a warning for other topic posts. All and all, the general players of Soldat have appeared very cold hearted and not all that fun to play with. While browsing around the forums I noticed a lot of people complaining about the game and updates and such and such, but it didn't seem like anyone wanted to even try fixing there problems themselves. I've already recommended this game to friends, but if they were to be received as I have for being a noob, I can't possibly imagine any one of them staying.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: F4||3N on September 27, 2009, 06:19:39 pm
That's Soldat for you.

I don't kick people for being noobs, I love an easy kill.
I kick people 4 haxzoring, I hate hard kills. HAXZOR! GFTFO, F$G! P7nis Face!

I'd suggest to your friends that they don't say, Soldat has become a p00 p00 hole!

We're STILL waiting for that f4king beta! And there's one person you can blame for that!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on September 27, 2009, 08:55:19 pm
masimoto:
Sadly most games have players that are.. "not nice". Some games are even worse. Yeah, players in Soldat hate newbs, mostly because they don't know how to play well and don't help their teams, which annoys quite a lot of good players (although I aggree, that's not a reason to kick).
All I can suggest is - play on DM servers first, get better. DM servers tend to have much more newbies. Once you get better - switch to CTF and INF and play on good popular servers (which hopefully have decent admins).
Among INF servers I suggest you try "Graveyard {INF}" and "Snipe & Slice {INF}". Snipe & Slice INF is pretty new, but Graveyard has been a favorite place for INFers for a long time, so there are a lot of good and respectful players there.

As for forum - personally, I find that admins here do a good job, they don't punish for no reason and are always polite. Read the rules just to make sure you havent missed anything.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: LORD KILLA on September 28, 2009, 11:09:11 am
Umm, see... You can make soldat's next version is a 'in' game by bettering graphics more, adding Kampagin, etc... or making it unique by adding no-known game SENSE, not just graphics. Good graphics make the gamelay much better of course, but when you have the best gun in the world shooting nicest bullets in the world etc... it will be only a gun shooting bullets, but tell me: Where's the sense of this ? Make players need to get better for more stuff aviable. The result of this would be that the scriptcore may die, so just expand the script core and make it more stable/effective/faster/faster(AppOnIdle)/More functions/easy kind of sending data through the internet (!!! this would make the communication to a wonderfull activity !!!)/... . Try to think what people would think, give them some challange. Of course this may mean more coding skills for the creator, but if you want to make a good game this is required. (I hope i won't get muted for this =| )
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Decaying Soldat on October 01, 2009, 09:08:04 am
I've left Soldat for a year or two maybe. I left because my favorite servers gone down. And I'm on the other side of the world so there aren't many servers with suitable ping. Before, there were dozens of them, now it dwindled to a few to none, leaving me with servers of 150+ ping. So I gave up playing Soldat. Also, Vista fudge Soldat up, a lot.

Now I see this thread, and, as a Soldat player I don't want it die too. It gave me fun memories. If miketh2005's sig is open for others to use I want to use it in other forums too.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on October 01, 2009, 03:21:17 pm
If miketh2005's sig is open for others to use I want to use it in other forums too.

He's been banned on these forums for a year, and he probably ripped his sig from another forum anyway. Feel free to use it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: ghengis_kahn on October 07, 2009, 10:52:54 pm
all you people whining about the fact that there are no good servers - it's all in your hands.
I'd like to point out that I'm not exactly whining about the servers, but more about my location and the fact that most people within my region don't play Soldat.

Other than that, I can agree with your points.
I just opened 10 new servers. and I am capable of hosting more just dont see a reason because my 10 servers are very rarely full.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: w00titsme on October 14, 2009, 03:47:50 pm
Maybe what would help is if some players, atleast one per major city would make a normal regular server. Like for example chicago having one aswell as detroit, eh...detroit. or atleast a few more states participating.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: ghengis_kahn on October 15, 2009, 07:13:38 pm
Maybe what would help is if some players, atleast one per major city would make a normal regular server. Like for example chicago having one aswell as detroit, eh...detroit. or atleast a few more states participating.
OK I vote myself to be the official Atlanta server.  Would you want me to setup an official soldat server for Atlanta? or just declare of my servers official Atlanta servers.
so is there going to be an official soldat.ini for all "official" servers to use? can we vote on it?
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: MattH on October 16, 2009, 12:06:03 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Clawbug on October 16, 2009, 12:14:18 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Popularity of Soldat has been going downhill. Besides, you've been here for some 18 months, while some of us have been here for more than 6 years. I can tell you, Soldat was MUCH, MUCH different back then. Obviously Soldat was more FUN back then. Applies to community and to the game itself.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: MattH on October 16, 2009, 12:21:49 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Popularity of Soldat has been going downhill. Besides, you've been here for some 18 months, while some of us have been here for more than 6 years. I can tell you, Soldat was MUCH, MUCH different back then. Obviously Soldat was more FUN back then. Applies to community and to the game itself.
Correction I've been on the soldat forums for about 18 months but I've played soldat for like 4 years now.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on October 16, 2009, 12:26:33 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Popularity of Soldat has been going downhill. Besides, you've been here for some 18 months, while some of us have been here for more than 6 years. I can tell you, Soldat was MUCH, MUCH different back then. Obviously Soldat was more FUN back then. Applies to community and to the game itself.
Correction I've been on the soldat forums for about 18 months but I've played soldat for like 4 years now.

And in those four years you've only been in the community for the latter 18 months. That doesn't really tell you very much.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: MattH on October 16, 2009, 12:36:14 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Popularity of Soldat has been going downhill. Besides, you've been here for some 18 months, while some of us have been here for more than 6 years. I can tell you, Soldat was MUCH, MUCH different back then. Obviously Soldat was more FUN back then. Applies to community and to the game itself.
Correction I've been on the soldat forums for about 18 months but I've played soldat for like 4 years now.

And in those four years you've only been in the community for the latter 18 months. That doesn't really tell you very much.
I understood how things where going in the online community and I did visit the forums as a guest (just never felt the need to become a member).
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on October 16, 2009, 12:40:54 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Popularity of Soldat has been going downhill. Besides, you've been here for some 18 months, while some of us have been here for more than 6 years. I can tell you, Soldat was MUCH, MUCH different back then. Obviously Soldat was more FUN back then. Applies to community and to the game itself.
Correction I've been on the soldat forums for about 18 months but I've played soldat for like 4 years now.

And in those four years you've only been in the community for the latter 18 months. That doesn't really tell you very much.
I understood how things where going in the online community and I did visit the forums as a guest (just never felt the need to become a member).

Well, regardless: you can't learn much about a forum and the personalities of the people in it without joining in and having them reply to your posts.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: MattH on October 16, 2009, 12:44:14 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Popularity of Soldat has been going downhill. Besides, you've been here for some 18 months, while some of us have been here for more than 6 years. I can tell you, Soldat was MUCH, MUCH different back then. Obviously Soldat was more FUN back then. Applies to community and to the game itself.
Correction I've been on the soldat forums for about 18 months but I've played soldat for like 4 years now.

And in those four years you've only been in the community for the latter 18 months. That doesn't really tell you very much.
I understood how things where going in the online community and I did visit the forums as a guest (just never felt the need to become a member).

Well, regardless: you can't learn much about a forum and the personalities of the people in it without joining in and having them reply to your posts.
I thought this thread was for reviving soldat not the soldat forums, anyhow I think 18 months of being a member and reading other peoples post is enough time to understand what most of the active people are like.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on October 16, 2009, 12:45:27 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Popularity of Soldat has been going downhill. Besides, you've been here for some 18 months, while some of us have been here for more than 6 years. I can tell you, Soldat was MUCH, MUCH different back then. Obviously Soldat was more FUN back then. Applies to community and to the game itself.
Correction I've been on the soldat forums for about 18 months but I've played soldat for like 4 years now.

And in those four years you've only been in the community for the latter 18 months. That doesn't really tell you very much.
I understood how things where going in the online community and I did visit the forums as a guest (just never felt the need to become a member).

Well, regardless: you can't learn much about a forum and the personalities of the people in it without joining in and having them reply to your posts.
I thought this thread was for reviving soldat not the soldat forums, anyhow I think 18 months of being a member and reading other peoples post is enough time to understand what most of the active people are like.

Our point is that you don't know what most of the active people of 5 years ago were like.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: MattH on October 16, 2009, 12:46:58 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Popularity of Soldat has been going downhill. Besides, you've been here for some 18 months, while some of us have been here for more than 6 years. I can tell you, Soldat was MUCH, MUCH different back then. Obviously Soldat was more FUN back then. Applies to community and to the game itself.
Correction I've been on the soldat forums for about 18 months but I've played soldat for like 4 years now.

And in those four years you've only been in the community for the latter 18 months. That doesn't really tell you very much.
I understood how things where going in the online community and I did visit the forums as a guest (just never felt the need to become a member).

Well, regardless: you can't learn much about a forum and the personalities of the people in it without joining in and having them reply to your posts.
I thought this thread was for reviving soldat not the soldat forums, anyhow I think 18 months of being a member and reading other peoples post is enough time to understand what most of the active people are like.

Our point is that you don't know what most of the active people of 5 years ago were like.
Soz?  ::) I know what the active people of 4 years ago where like  ::)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on October 16, 2009, 12:56:39 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Popularity of Soldat has been going downhill. Besides, you've been here for some 18 months, while some of us have been here for more than 6 years. I can tell you, Soldat was MUCH, MUCH different back then. Obviously Soldat was more FUN back then. Applies to community and to the game itself.
Correction I've been on the soldat forums for about 18 months but I've played soldat for like 4 years now.

And in those four years you've only been in the community for the latter 18 months. That doesn't really tell you very much.
I understood how things where going in the online community and I did visit the forums as a guest (just never felt the need to become a member).

Well, regardless: you can't learn much about a forum and the personalities of the people in it without joining in and having them reply to your posts.
I thought this thread was for reviving soldat not the soldat forums, anyhow I think 18 months of being a member and reading other peoples post is enough time to understand what most of the active people are like.

Our point is that you don't know what most of the active people of 5 years ago were like.
Soz?  ::) I know what the active people of 4 years ago where like  ::)

If that was true you'd know and accept Soldat was/is dying.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Clawbug on October 16, 2009, 01:21:42 pm
Heh, jrgp is doing the discussion for me. :P

These days it is hard to find proper NORMAL CTF server with players. Same with DM(due to the bug, I try to believe). Nowadays people consider the "classic" Soldat somewhat boring, so they prefer the scripted servers with different gimmicks which would have never become implemented by MM "back in the day".

The game evolves, possibly to the wrong direction. Other games are more appealing etc. I fail to see a real solution to this though.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: MattH on October 16, 2009, 01:23:32 pm
Heh, jrgp is doing the discussion for me. :P

These days it is hard to find proper NORMAL CTF server with players. Same with DM(due to the bug, I try to believe). Nowadays people consider the "classic" Soldat somewhat boring, so they prefer the scripted servers with different gimmicks which would have never become implemented by MM "back in the day".

The game evolves, possibly to the wrong direction. Other games are more appealing etc. I fail to see a real solution to this though.
so from that I take it that you think soldat is doomed? anyhow people like scripted servers because of the change in gameplay there is nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Clawbug on October 16, 2009, 01:30:18 pm
Heh, jrgp is doing the discussion for me. :P

These days it is hard to find proper NORMAL CTF server with players. Same with DM(due to the bug, I try to believe). Nowadays people consider the "classic" Soldat somewhat boring, so they prefer the scripted servers with different gimmicks which would have never become implemented by MM "back in the day".

The game evolves, possibly to the wrong direction. Other games are more appealing etc. I fail to see a real solution to this though.
so from that I take it that you think soldat is doomed? anyhow people like scripted servers because of the change in gameplay there is nothing wrong with that.
If you ask me, yes. Soldat is doomed.

Scripted servers and all the modifications etc. in my opinion have actually made things worse. There is no "standard" "Soldat" among the players. For some Soldat is realistic survival, for some Soldat is TW/TTW, for some Soldat is Hexer/MMod, for some Soldat is climbing, and for some Soldat is knife only etc. When the small amount of players distribute to all these "mods", every mod has a small share of the players and after a while no one cares to continue playing -> people quit.

(This is why I oppose giving too much of a freedom of modification/scripting to the community in small games.)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Espadon on October 16, 2009, 01:38:08 pm
There isn't anything new being developed either, a lot of scripts and mods are from when Soldat was much more popular.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: homerofgods on October 16, 2009, 02:47:34 pm
Will you all stop saying soldat is dying, I'm disappointed by the admins who say that. Soldat is a classic game, so people will allways come if you just fix the bugs.
What is happening is that noone has the patience to wait for the next version, and I can understand that you whine a bit about the bugs, but all you really can do is to wait.
You have forgot about the soldat spirit, well I will never loose it, so you can all just take your whining to some other place while I wait for the coolest version ever! [fist]
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Dusty on October 16, 2009, 03:17:57 pm
blah blah

... you're so naive.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on October 16, 2009, 03:26:37 pm
blah blah

... you're so naive.
and you are  soooo hot.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Espadon on October 16, 2009, 04:26:15 pm
wait for the next version

the coolest version ever! [fist]

You know that's what they said for the last version.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Madow on October 16, 2009, 05:08:47 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Popularity of Soldat has been going downhill. Besides, you've been here for some 18 months, while some of us have been here for more than 6 years. I can tell you, Soldat was MUCH, MUCH different back then. Obviously Soldat was more FUN back then. Applies to community and to the game itself.
Correction I've been on the soldat forums for about 18 months but I've played soldat for like 4 years now.

And in those four years you've only been in the community for the latter 18 months. That doesn't really tell you very much.

Wow, this coming from an Administrator really isn't good for the forum.

I guess the Soldat forums is the only way to get into the community. :|
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Clawbug on October 16, 2009, 05:15:55 pm
As far as I can see right now soldat has one of the best online community for a freeware game I've ever seen. So saying that it needs to be revived is rather lame IMO.
Popularity of Soldat has been going downhill. Besides, you've been here for some 18 months, while some of us have been here for more than 6 years. I can tell you, Soldat was MUCH, MUCH different back then. Obviously Soldat was more FUN back then. Applies to community and to the game itself.
Correction I've been on the soldat forums for about 18 months but I've played soldat for like 4 years now.

And in those four years you've only been in the community for the latter 18 months. That doesn't really tell you very much.

Wow, this coming from an Administrator really isn't good for the forum.
Isn't it delighting indeed? I mean, for once people in charge tell the truth. :P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: ghengis_kahn on October 17, 2009, 12:30:49 am
listen all it takes is word of mouth to make this game popular.  in finland 1meg internet has just become a right! that means you are going to have tons of people in finland that never had internet before are going to get computers, crappy computers! they wont be able to play modernspecialblackopsforces 12 or whatever but they will be able to play soldat. because honestly as much as I love linux most computers run windows and most of the crappy computers those people will buy or borrow or are given by better off relatives will 98% chance run windows. so we should flyer the poorest areas of Finland with soldat posters. have a poster design contest, but bear in mind it has to be translated to Finnish. don't worry I know a fluent Finnish speaker/writer.  is there a localization of soldat for Finnish yet? if not I will see about getting that done. but we need an admin to get the poster contest started.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Clawbug on October 17, 2009, 07:40:36 am
Yeah, right. Stop trolling or die trying. :P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: homerofgods on October 17, 2009, 03:13:53 pm
LOL! I can almost see myself go around setting up huge posters of a 2d game around the city.
No seriously, even sending messages to your msn contact list is better.

A official soldat trailer wouldn't hurt
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on October 17, 2009, 09:45:43 pm
Advertise Soldat everywhere you can, I will try making some posters and signs etc. Also advertise www.soldat.pl and SoldatForums wherever you can to get the game much more popular. It's the only way you can get the word around and get more people to play. More players means the game will get known more and more. I'm going to start advertising these forums and the game whenever I can and wherever I go.

OFFTOPIC: 1000 POSTS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: MattH on October 17, 2009, 10:00:04 pm
I think that this thread is more destructive then constructive to the forums, with all the flaming and trolling. As I shall now demonstrate  ;D

Advertise Soldat everywhere you can, I will try making some posters and signs etc. Also advertise www.soldat.pl and SoldatForums wherever you can to get the game much more popular. It's the only way you can get the word around and get more people to play. More players means the game will get known more and more. I'm going to start advertising these forums and the game whenever I can and wherever I go.

OFFTOPIC: 1000 POSTS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 

you couldn't wait to find topics that you really where interested in?
(http://i35.tinypic.com/262r6lv.png)
 :P

but anyhow congrats  ;)

LOL! I can almost see myself go around setting up huge posters of a 2d game around the city.
No seriously, even sending messages to your msn contact list is better.

A official soldat trailer wouldn't hurt
A trailer would be good if implemented right I suppose....
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: L[0ne]R on October 17, 2009, 11:12:22 pm
I really wish the trailer contest would finally come to a proper end. Only a few trailers were posted on youtube, the rest are still awaiting the end of the contest which will never come. :/
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: homerofgods on October 18, 2009, 03:05:58 am
I really wish the trailer contest would finally come to a proper end. Only a few trailers were posted on youtube, the rest are still awaiting the end of the contest which will never come. :/
but we can't end it without a killer video. Imagine being the one who has their video as an official trailer :D that should be motivation enough.
btw, I agree that the best way to show soldat is to get them play it themself, the trailers job is to lure people to try it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: scarface09 on October 18, 2009, 04:03:13 am
Matt H, haha so true!!


Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on October 18, 2009, 08:23:41 am
Ehhh, right, looks like in 3 days a lot has happened in here, as to which idea I support, it's the trailer\advertising, how hard would it be to make a topic or fan page on some site saying: This cool 2D game you probably don't know. (Or something like that)
It wouldn't hurt to even try and tell your mates about it, be it IRL or just MSN or YM or whatever.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: homerofgods on October 18, 2009, 09:53:13 am
Ehhh, right, looks like in 3 days a lot has happened in here, as to which idea I support, it's the trailer\advertising, how hard would it be to make a topic or fan page on some site saying: This cool 2D game you probably don't know. (Or something like that)
It wouldn't hurt to even try and tell your mates about it, be it IRL or just MSN or YM or whatever.
But non of that is gonna make any difference compared to a stabil good version of soldat.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: -Major- on October 18, 2009, 01:45:17 pm
well, what made me start playing normal mode was R7s video that created interessted and then the sctfl 11 demos that made me decide.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: homerofgods on October 22, 2009, 05:37:47 pm
I don't remember how I started, but I remember that it was addicting :P I searched for some soldat movies after I started playing it. There wasn't many movies back then.  I tink the coolest thing was that it was so easy to join a game, and it felt like more of a game then other free online games.
Btw, new vote: http://enesce.com/  (Which of these two do you anticipate the most?...)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: pahSibla on October 23, 2009, 02:15:46 pm
I'm creating a third r/s community to add to Soldat abroad.  This post covers a plan I'm going ahead with to create a new community for Soldat.  Before you decide to diminish my hope and expectations, I will give you all just a look at what I've planned to push forward.  (HINT-Captains Matching+Anarchy)

#Rsd        the mirc channel
Game-Mode                  : REALISTIC : SURVIVOR : DEATHMATCH::

Introducing  a new and complex game mode.  R/S D
This game-mode rests upon skill, not of your teammates or your clan.  It’s up to you.  Play as you see fit and survive if you’re the fittest.  You have but one life and to win you must make the most die.  Tactics will play a huge role here in that you must pick your moments and judge your opposition.   

So please give the game mode a try.  The maps are relatively new, dynamic, and picturesque.   

An extra incentive has been added for players committed to rank up with stats.  The top 25 will be able to play for just my 20 bucks.  At the beginning of a new month, last month’s stats will be wiped clean but before they are, we post the results.   Then we reach out through the forums among the top 25 to pick the best time for a special gather so most of us get a chance to win my money.

Server Title:
OLYMPIC  STAY

Features:
-A gather bot from mirc with ability to convert game modes from rsd to rs.  The converter would juggle the two game modes back and forth.  For instance, "realistic survivor" a team based game alternates with "realistic survivor death-match without teams.
-Zitro stats, php, ect, new maps of caliber to usher in a new age.
Goal:MY exact wish is to take the top 2 ranked players after a round of death-match and turn them into captain's.

Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 28, 2010, 02:50:42 pm
Here I am 1 year later and Soldat has even less players than before, just as I predicted. Nothing seems to be working :/
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Centurion on September 28, 2010, 04:59:22 pm
omg this guy posted link for a hack. dled it rite away lol


/ban
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Veritas on September 28, 2010, 06:22:45 pm
Here I am 1 year later and Soldat has even less players than before, just as I predicted. Nothing seems to be working :/
Past me has identified the problem with stunning clarity

the current developer is a friggen idiot.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Snow on September 29, 2010, 12:30:14 pm
1. There's too many damn games to play these days, lol. With Halo Reach out and a lot of other fun titles, not a bad thing on one hand, but does keep server count low.
2. Soldat DOES need to go back to being simple to pick up and play. No portal, no waiting to be able to play. None of that fancy-schmancy stuff. The new poly types can stay though. I've been experimenting with a few maps. Might be able to make a fun stealth game mode... so long as people want to play.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, and you know it.
Post by: alanmoore on September 30, 2010, 02:18:17 am
I have good news: Link-Dead.

that's a really good news.  ;D
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 30, 2010, 09:56:08 am
Soldat DOES need to go back to being simple to pick up and play... Might be able to make a fun stealth game mode... so long as people want to play.

ROFL. On one hand you said it needs to be simple, then on the other hand you said you were going to make a stealth game mode.

Face it, it's not the main game that keeps us interested in this game, or really most ANY game with scripting for that matter. It's the variety of the servers. That's one of the reasons I left, there weren't any servers that I was that intrested in anymore. Hexer was fun for awhile, but no server will keep you coming back for years. EVERYDAY I mean. I only play Gathers now because that's what gives me the most fun, it's heart pumping and exhilarating. If another fun server came along and it had players I would play in a heartbeat, but sadly there aren't that much scripters scripting new game modes left.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Mastadi on September 30, 2010, 12:05:46 pm
Release Soldat on the Xbox Live Arcade/PSN/WiiWare, make it a console hit, and make all the old players claim how good the original PC version is. Make them swarm to these forums after seeing the blinding flash of glory that PC Soldat will cause.

Now you've made shitloads of money and made the game popular once again! :O
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on September 30, 2010, 12:43:59 pm
Release Soldat on the Xbox Live Arcade/PSN/WiiWare, make it a console hit, and make all the old players claim how good the original PC version is. Make them swarm to these forums after seeing the blinding flash of glory that PC Soldat will cause.

Now you've made s**tloads of money and made the game popular once again! :O

Your momma dropped you on the head or something?
Soldat just CAN'T work on the Xbox or any other console the way it does on PC.
Instead of trying to make it a console game, start hatching ideas to improve it within the limitations of a PC.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: DarkCrusade on September 30, 2010, 01:48:49 pm
Soldat can't be ported to any gaming platform, because the language it is written in is not compatible with those platforms.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on September 30, 2010, 02:01:16 pm
Soldat can't be ported to any gaming platform, because the language it is written in is not compatible with those platforms.

Anything can be re-written, just that in this case, it would take ages.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 30, 2010, 04:14:14 pm
Release Soldat on the Xbox Live Arcade/PSN/WiiWare, make it a console hit, and make all the old players claim how good the original PC version is. Make them swarm to these forums after seeing the blinding flash of glory that PC Soldat will cause.

Now you've made s**tloads of money and made the game popular once again! :O

Already done. Crash Commando for PS3. Only difference is the developer :P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Mastadi on September 30, 2010, 04:43:26 pm
Release Soldat on the Xbox Live Arcade/PSN/WiiWare, make it a console hit, and make all the old players claim how good the original PC version is. Make them swarm to these forums after seeing the blinding flash of glory that PC Soldat will cause.

Now you've made s**tloads of money and made the game popular once again! :O

Your momma dropped you on the head or something?
Soldat just CAN'T work on the Xbox or any other console the way it does on PC.
Instead of trying to make it a console game, start hatching ideas to improve it within the limitations of a PC.

Looks like someone can't take a joke  ::)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on September 30, 2010, 04:52:13 pm
Release Soldat on the Xbox Live Arcade/PSN/WiiWare, make it a console hit, and make all the old players claim how good the original PC version is. Make them swarm to these forums after seeing the blinding flash of glory that PC Soldat will cause.

Now you've made s**tloads of money and made the game popular once again! :O

Your momma dropped you on the head or something?
Soldat just CAN'T work on the Xbox or any other console the way it does on PC.
Instead of trying to make it a console game, start hatching ideas to improve it within the limitations of a PC.

Looks like someone can't take a joke  ::)

Excusez moi?
I'm only saying your idea is shit.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: miketh2005 on September 30, 2010, 05:02:14 pm
Release Soldat on the Xbox Live Arcade/PSN/WiiWare, make it a console hit, and make all the old players claim how good the original PC version is. Make them swarm to these forums after seeing the blinding flash of glory that PC Soldat will cause.

Now you've made s**tloads of money and made the game popular once again! :O

Your momma dropped you on the head or something?
Soldat just CAN'T work on the Xbox or any other console the way it does on PC.
Instead of trying to make it a console game, start hatching ideas to improve it within the limitations of a PC.

Looks like someone can't take a joke  ::)

Excusez moi?
I'm only saying your idea is s**t.

He's saying he was just joking, but it could just be an excuse to get out of you raping him :P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on September 30, 2010, 05:51:16 pm
Release Soldat on the Xbox Live Arcade/PSN/WiiWare, make it a console hit, and make all the old players claim how good the original PC version is. Make them swarm to these forums after seeing the blinding flash of glory that PC Soldat will cause.

Now you've made s**tloads of money and made the game popular once again! :O

Your momma dropped you on the head or something?
Soldat just CAN'T work on the Xbox or any other console the way it does on PC.
Instead of trying to make it a console game, start hatching ideas to improve it within the limitations of a PC.

Looks like someone can't take a joke  ::)

Excusez moi?
I'm only saying your idea is s**t.

He's saying he was just joking, but it could just be an excuse to get out of you raping him :P

I don't rape people, I rape peoples' families, then burn their houses down, then show them how to sleep with the fish.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Mastadi on September 30, 2010, 05:58:29 pm
Release Soldat on the Xbox Live Arcade/PSN/WiiWare, make it a console hit, and make all the old players claim how good the original PC version is. Make them swarm to these forums after seeing the blinding flash of glory that PC Soldat will cause.

Now you've made s**tloads of money and made the game popular once again! :O

Your momma dropped you on the head or something?
Soldat just CAN'T work on the Xbox or any other console the way it does on PC.
Instead of trying to make it a console game, start hatching ideas to improve it within the limitations of a PC.

Looks like someone can't take a joke  ::)

Excusez moi?
I'm only saying your idea is s**t.

He's saying he was just joking, but it could just be an excuse to get out of you raping him :P

I don't rape people, I rape peoples' families, then their houses down, then show them how to sleep with the fish.

When me and my girlfriend broke up I was depressed, I couldn't do anything, I just sat there thinking that everything good in my life was over and it'd never come back. Then, a supposedly wise man came to me and said 'son, there are many fish in the sea'

how was I supposed to know he didn't mean it literally...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Furai on October 01, 2010, 10:04:20 am
Don't mock the dead.

Edit: Thanks Mittsu for pointing that out. :)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: pengggg! on January 02, 2011, 07:54:27 pm
soldat is a game SO FUCKING AWSOME i love it! damn! there must be some way out of that depression!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: furisha on January 03, 2011, 07:56:37 am
In some interview MM said that he might bother writing Soldat 2 after Link-Dead.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: DarkCrusade on January 03, 2011, 08:13:30 am
You guys can help by making maps/mods and whatever keeps people on playing.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: jrgp on January 03, 2011, 09:02:51 am
In some interview MM said that he might bother writing Soldat 2 after Link-Dead.

Link or it didn't happen. :P
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on January 03, 2011, 09:47:33 am
In some interview MM said that he might bother writing Soldat 2 after Link-Dead.

Link or it didn't happen. :P

Link won't do it for me, I want a signed intent...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: vehicledestroyer on January 03, 2011, 04:35:25 pm
I believe it. It sounds unreasonable that Soldat is still one of MM 's main "source of income" and he does not want to develop it anymore. He's just focusing on his new source of income, then he can do some maintenance on his other assets...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Illuminatus on January 03, 2011, 08:49:12 pm
Lol, if this is true we could have Soldat 2 v1.0 in about 8-9 years! How cool is that?!?! [retard]
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on January 04, 2011, 08:36:48 am
Lol, if this is true we could have Soldat 2 v1.0 in about 8-9 years! How cool is that?!?! [retard]

Yeah, I'll have something to do at my company desk!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Foxconn on January 04, 2011, 08:55:48 am
Lol, if this is true we could have Soldat 2 v1.0 in about 8-9 years! How cool is that?!?! [retard]

No, Soldat 2 v1.0 will come when Gaben releases Episode 3 ;D
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: zwangmedico on January 17, 2011, 06:57:15 am
Soldat is much successful and strong than Link-Dead.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Monsteri on January 17, 2011, 08:27:36 am
Link-deads only problem is yet, that it's a bit too slow.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: SoldatFire on February 14, 2011, 11:11:27 am
Link-Dead is in my opinion C**P! its a game like:
soldat but you cant fly....
it got 10x better graphic then soldat it will lag on the pc of some people ( include my :( )
and it is slow? you move like in soldat when ducked...
i think MM should focus back on soldat and make some big changes AND THATS NOT!!! +1dmg and -1acc !!!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: DarkCrusade on February 14, 2011, 11:21:17 am
I hate people talking out of their asses.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Mittsu on February 14, 2011, 12:38:01 pm
I hate people talking out of their asses.

oh the irony
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: darDar on February 14, 2011, 01:28:47 pm
how can you judge about LD if you obviously don´t have any clue of it ?
You say its crap cause you are angry that MM is currently focusing on IT and not on SOLDAT. thats all.

Have a closer look on the things and stop posting nonsense.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: SoldatFire on February 14, 2011, 05:16:04 pm
how can you judge about LD if you obviously don´t have any clue of it ?
You say its crap cause you are angry that MM is currently focusing on IT and not on SOLDAT. thats all.

Have a closer look on the things and stop posting nonsense.

read it again i said "in my opinion" so stfu
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: darDar on February 14, 2011, 05:24:35 pm
how can you judge about LD if you obviously don´t have any clue of it ?
You say its crap cause you are angry that MM is currently focusing on IT and not on SOLDAT. thats all.

Have a closer look on the things and stop posting nonsense.

read it again i said "in my opinion" so stfu

who gave you the permission to build an opinion ? it´s not an excuse to say that it´s YOUR opinion.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: SoldatFire on February 14, 2011, 05:28:19 pm
how can you judge about LD if you obviously don´t have any clue of it ?
You say its crap cause you are angry that MM is currently focusing on IT and not on SOLDAT. thats all.

Have a closer look on the things and stop posting nonsense.

read it again i said "in my opinion" so stfu

who gave you the permission to build an opinion ? it´s not an excuse to say that it´s YOUR opinion.

Yes it is. and don't behave like a moderator if they think its not good they will delete my post or do what they want so don't spam and lame anymore
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: DarkCrusade on February 14, 2011, 05:30:53 pm
An opinion should be based on experience, and not on assumptions. You lack experience.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: SoldatFire on February 14, 2011, 05:33:06 pm
wow you now that  ;D  haha..
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: thegrandmaster on February 15, 2011, 02:58:05 am
This is the Soldat Talk forum. So shaddup.

In my view, Soldat is not dying (atm). Sure, it's not as big as it used to be, but we have a dev team that is working on it all.
I agree that the game has many flaws from the years of changing and adding things, but it's to be expected (I also agree that making a cloned re-write might be the best option).

Soldat needs a new GUI in my opinion, because some who download it get confused by the system (which, lets face it, is from aagges ago) and so don't play again. The thing also needs some decent advertising - get it into shops? (bundled with mods, mapmaker tools, registered)... etc.

I don't like seeing people going uuuh soldat is dying, when neither them, or really anyone else is doing anything about it.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: SoldatFire on March 02, 2011, 03:17:34 pm
This is the Soldat Talk forum. So shaddup.

In my view, Soldat is not dying (atm). Sure, it's not as big as it used to be, but we have a dev team that is working on it all.
I agree that the game has many flaws from the years of changing and adding things, but it's to be expected (I also agree that making a cloned re-write might be the best option).

Soldat needs a new GUI in my opinion, because some who download it get confused by the system (which, lets face it, is from aagges ago) and so don't play again. The thing also needs some decent advertising - get it into shops? (bundled with mods, mapmaker tools, registered)... etc.

I don't like seeing people going uuuh soldat is dying, when neither them, or really anyone else is doing anything about it.

Not dying!!! ok then im simply blind or totaly stupid to see that every day there are less and less players online the servers closes and the player goes to other and new games!
Cause it is at 90% the same game like before 5 years...

And the GUI should stay 4ever soo!!! if someone downloads a game he isn't going to let it fall in 10 seconds cause of the GUI
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Snow on March 03, 2011, 12:31:40 pm
Why is this thread still relevant? Lock please.

Soldat isn't dying. Things simply changed. When the game started out, it could run smooth on the average pc of the day and from 2002 to 2005 not many had all powerful gaming rigs to handle the lastest games. Plus that time was a transition stage - most didn't need a new computer yet. Even an old pos running windows 98 could still be used. Since then, some left to move onto other games or they just grew out of Soldat and development was passed on to Enesce.

But, you have to remember, that most who play or have played Soldat are/were a pretty dedicated group. The game is still being played almost 9 years later. 9 years!!!

Now we have a dedicated team bringing Soldat back to the way it used to be and dedicated to killing bugs. I like most, am waiting for a stable renewed Soldat. I still enjoy the game currently and always will, but like many Soldateers, I'm also an adult and busy, so at the moment, I'm barely online. And speaking of adults.. many who were teens and playing Soldat in its heyday are now also adults and also busy with school, relationships and work.

So lock this or let this bloody thread die, relax, hit the servers, play a round.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Foxconn on March 03, 2011, 12:38:02 pm
Cause it is at 90% the same game like before 5 years...

We still need those 10%.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: mtk on March 03, 2011, 04:43:12 pm
soldat is dying
(http://www.google.com/trends/viz?q=%22soldat%22&geo=pol&graph=weekly_img&sa=N)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Meteorisch on March 03, 2011, 05:01:09 pm
Related to the topic name:

Slam on your face with a hammer and ask yourself how old this game is, and that many games don't even reach this age rofl.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: demoniac93 on March 03, 2011, 05:23:29 pm
Well, it may not be dying, but it sure as hell is going into hibernation...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: sneakers8b on January 10, 2017, 08:43:09 am

Actually there was a Soldat clone, but I forgot the name. It must have faded out.
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Yeah it was called Crash Commando for the PS3
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: ex0ne on February 05, 2017, 02:13:40 pm
I just found my way back to this lovely game. I was a regular player back in 1.0.5 (OMG :O ) and played a little into 1.1.5.
It's so sad that this game is dying, it's such a great game with good gameplay.
I'm gonna advertise this game and try to get some more players, however I can!
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: firildak on February 18, 2017, 03:42:36 pm
Because the population is now thin, there are no local communities like there were before (like in TR).

I could advise creating a new gather channel where unskilled players do not get cussed and mocked all the time, and advertising it from the main webpage and the game's opening screen. It would be a plus, if there was a direct browser page where people could join gathers and idle.



Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: machina on February 20, 2017, 05:24:11 pm
I could advise creating a new gather channel where unskilled players do not get cussed and mocked all the time, and advertising it from the main webpage and the game's opening screen. It would be a plus, if there was a direct browser page where people could join gathers and idle.
Unfortunately, I hardly see that work. There's no way to ensure that the skill of players joining these gathers is the somewhat the same. Yea, there's a great difference between publics and gather but new gather channel won't lower this difference.

The best solution would be to have a matchmaking like it is done in the most multiplayer games. Unfortunately, we need many more players in order to have it work correctly.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: whitdemon on February 22, 2017, 07:59:03 am
easy fix, release on steam
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Body on February 22, 2017, 08:53:27 am
Hello all!
I just downloaded Soldat, and registered on this forum. Just to say, that i want this game to be as popular as it was back then in 2006-9.
I could say, that im a Soldat veteran, played it like 8 years ago, and i just want to go back to it sometimes, throw some knives, shot some rockets. But, what the hell ? It's like 20 people on all servers. That's of course very sad.

Hope the game will get some attention back soon. The crazy steam idea, is actually not so bad. A classic shooter, for free, awakening some old memories. Make some premium content, for some cash, make profit and dev it more.

That all is in your hands, i just want to say, that i would love to spend some $ (either via some donates, or via steam) to provide support.

Sorry, for all my typing mistakes.
Greetings to all devs out there, and all member of the community !

Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: machina on February 22, 2017, 09:30:30 am
Hi,

what the hell ? It's like 20 people on all servers. That's of course very sad.
Tell your pals to play with ya.

i would love to spend some $ (either via some donates, or via steam) to provide support.
You may always register (if you didn't do that yet). I don't know yet how much of this money goes to the actual devs instead of MM/TH...
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: helloer on February 22, 2017, 09:50:13 am
You may always register (if you didn't do that yet). I don't know yet how much of this money goes to the actual devs instead of MM/TH...

0. Instead of buying that bullshit regkey go spread the word about our beloved game  8)
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: P on March 17, 2017, 10:58:11 am
lack of advertisement

also anyone who accidentally downloads soldat is greeted by a small, toxic community, instantly getting killed in his base right before getting votekicked for being useless
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: paintZoom on March 20, 2017, 07:51:48 pm
lack of advertisement

also anyone who accidentally downloads soldat is greeted by a small, toxic community, instantly getting killed in his base right before getting votekicked for being useless
this happens on most games xD (ive been there)
besides when you start playing a new game you are gonna suck always so deal with it .. the fact that u cant hit a thing and your usefulness are unimportant to have fun .. i mean u can be a madpsychoninjaskillZ and still be dead bored killing everyone.. so try having fun with the votekicks argue if u can xD so u dont get kicked or toy with the fat pr0 playerz if u cant kill them .game is to have fun time not to rage at (unless u like that..  [pigtail])
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: machina on March 22, 2017, 06:01:46 pm
lack of advertisement
Well, there's no money for that. You may always bully your friends to play Soldat though.

also anyone who accidentally downloads soldat is greeted by a small, toxic community, instantly getting killed in his base right before getting votekicked for being useless
Toxic players in games isn't really a thing you can fix. Also, servers in Soldat are ran privately. There are no official publics where you could possibly expect "nice people" only because "the bad guys" are banned.

Yet, it would be nice to have some day a matchmaking that would group together newfags so they're all useless together. That would be helpful for this issue.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: NiCeShOoT|GuY on June 22, 2017, 02:49:23 am
1.
Putting this game on steam is a really good idea,
pls figure a way to fund the publication.
Money matters a lot ;D ;D $$$$$$$$$$$

2.
Make use of YouTube.
a.make a clip about the most popular one shot server
b.recreate player tutorial in the form of video
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: qqqqqqq on June 22, 2017, 05:46:05 pm
both zabijaka and austral ctf servers have a ridiculous ~1 second respawn time and cycle tiny maps. because nothing else tends to be active I play there sometimes but they really don't have functional settings for playing objective oriented soldat. I don't know if the issue is better servers not existing or people not joining those but it really needs to be addressed.
Title: Re: Soldat is dying, how to revive it?
Post by: Slasher on June 24, 2017, 06:43:10 pm
Free soldat on Steam is a good idea