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Title: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 11, 2009, 12:20:40 am
How about team ESPs for registered users?? They have the radar, why not an ESP that shows the names, health, and ammo of your teammates? Would be an awesome new feature for registered users.

Yes or no?
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Furai on July 11, 2009, 10:23:36 am
No, it will give us only more rubbish on hud.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: -Major- on July 11, 2009, 10:29:58 am
would give an unfair advantage for registrated users, so it isn't a possible feature.

unless you could turn it off and on, but that would just be useless....
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 11, 2009, 11:12:39 am
how is that having an unfair advantage? you can only see ESP for your team only. and you should be able to turn it off and on. found this picture which is exactly what im talking about:
(http://i27.tinypic.com/34spegx.png)
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: STM1993 on July 11, 2009, 11:17:28 am
If it is ever implemented, make it optional please, I don't want to see my screen clogged up with these extra stats.

I'm saying F11. It's useless.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Shard on July 11, 2009, 01:36:34 pm
That is a hack. It comes with some hacks. That picture is of someone hacking. So, if it is made into a feature, that means a hack has become part of soldat. And as for team mates only? If it works I would use it
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: homerofgods on July 11, 2009, 03:17:31 pm
That is a hack. It comes with some hacks. That picture is of someone hacking. So, if it is made into a feature, that means a hack has become part of soldat. And as for team mates only? If it works I would use it
how do you know so much about hacking? :p
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: -Major- on July 11, 2009, 06:49:51 pm
That is a hack. It comes with some hacks. That picture is of someone hacking. So, if it is made into a feature, that means a hack has become part of soldat. And as for team mates only? If it works I would use it
how do you know so much about hacking? :p
just check ghostdogs match reports.

how is that having an unfair advantage? you can only see ESP for your team only.
those without registration won't have that "ESP" and thus cannot be used in leagues, therefor, unfair advantage over normal users.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 11, 2009, 08:32:26 pm
That is a hack. It comes with some hacks. That picture is of someone hacking. So, if it is made into a feature, that means a hack has become part of soldat. And as for team mates only? If it works I would use it
how do you know so much about hacking? :p
just check ghostdogs match reports.

how is that having an unfair advantage? you can only see ESP for your team only.
those without registration won't have that "ESP" and thus cannot be used in leagues, therefor, unfair advantage over normal users.

but its not an unfair advantage because it doesn't give you anything to help you win a game... it's just like the radar function for registered users.

That is a hack. It comes with some hacks. That picture is of someone hacking. So, if it is made into a feature, that means a hack has become part of soldat. And as for team mates only? If it works I would use it

Radar is a hack. It comes with some hacks. So, that means a hack is already part of soldat.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: amb2010 on July 11, 2009, 09:07:00 pm
I don't see any harm in adding this, think it would be a very cool feature. Whether or not the idea was based off a hack shouldn't have any impact in the decision of adding it, if its a good idea its a good idea no matter where it comes from. The whole thing about affecting leagues isn't a very good reason for not adding it. The minimap, it adds an unfair advantage to registered users, yet its not a problem because it has an off switch. By that logic registered interfaces shouldn't be allowed either because they too can allow an advantage (more screen space, not a big advantage though) All I see is a nice little feature that can give some helpful info about your teammates. Also it should be like the sniper-line, optional by both the server and player.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: SpiltCoffee on July 11, 2009, 10:30:20 pm
If, like the minimap, the feature can be turned off by the server, then I wouldn't mind it.

Technically, it is sorta already implemented - you just have to put your cursor over your teammate to see how much health they have.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Map Artist on July 11, 2009, 11:27:27 pm
I don't support this, it's kind of pointless.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 12, 2009, 09:48:49 am
I don't support this, it's kind of pointless.

1 big advantage is the names over the players. Haven't you ever wondered which player is who?

Truf: map artist can suck my barret

You wanna know which soldat player Truf is, so you can TK him. :P

Ammo and Health:

You can kinda already see your teammates health by their blood, but not their ammo.

If you see your teammate is low on health on on his last clip, then you can go over there and help him.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: excruciator on July 12, 2009, 12:05:06 pm
You know you could add "health bars" on top of character sprites to show health condition, for those who just can't see blood.

But certainly a full ESP is much more useful.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Dusty on July 12, 2009, 01:08:51 pm
You know you could add "health bars" on top of character sprites to show health condition, for those who just can't see blood.

= Insta ban.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 12, 2009, 04:01:06 pm
You know you could add "health bars" on top of character sprites to show health condition, for those who just can't see blood.

But certainly a full ESP is much more useful.

how?
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: ~Niko~ on July 12, 2009, 05:11:06 pm
I don't care about my teammates, the only thing that matters is just me.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Leo on July 12, 2009, 05:16:20 pm
I don't care about my teammates, the only thing that matters is just me.
I like your honesty  ;D
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: ~Niko~ on July 12, 2009, 06:42:52 pm
I don't care about my teammates, the only thing that matters is just me.
I like your honesty  ;D
Isn't that true? Who gives a damn to your teammates? I use them to stop enemy's fire. I always wait for one teammate to go in front of me so they can take all the enemy fire while I take down the enemies. Nice trick, isn't it?
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 12, 2009, 10:27:43 pm
I don't care about my teammates, the only thing that matters is just me.
I like your honesty  ;D
Isn't that true? Who gives a damn to your teammates? I use them to stop enemy's fire. I always wait for one teammate to go in front of me so they can take all the enemy fire while I take down the enemies. Nice trick, isn't it?

If everyone did that, the other team would come and take your flag and score...

Who cares about teammates?
Ammo and Health:

You can kinda already see your teammates health by their blood, but not their ammo.

If you see your teammate is low on health on on his last clip, then you can go over there and help him.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: SpiltCoffee on July 13, 2009, 01:16:43 am
Well, some people are stupid enough to be cannon fodder, miketh2005...
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: excruciator on July 13, 2009, 07:35:04 am
You know you could add "health bars" on top of character sprites to show health condition, for those who just can't see blood.

= Insta ban.

In SCTFL maybe.

You know you could add "health bars" on top of character sprites to show health condition, for those who just can't see blood.

But certainly a full ESP is much more useful.

how?

I have not done it, but I know it can be done, and it has been done in some mods.

How is it against the forum rules? It's not a hack per se.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Dusty on July 13, 2009, 08:01:13 am
It's the same as telling people how to remove your scenery to spot campers. Unfair advantage.

= Insta ban.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Shard on July 13, 2009, 09:06:30 am
That is a hack. It comes with some hacks. That picture is of someone hacking. So, if it is made into a feature, that means a hack has become part of soldat. And as for team mates only? If it works I would use it
how do you know so much about hacking? :p
ANYONE who was part of a clan in 1.3 will know about most hacks. This is because people spread ALOT of rumors about my clan because we were the best. So after a while everyone knew about most hacks, they were told of them so they could spot them, another reason for this is because ther was no BattleEye in 1.3

Dusty:
By saying that about scenery shouldn't you be banned? You have jsut given everyone the idea of trying to do it....

OT:I think it should be put in, but optional like sniper line
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: STM1993 on July 13, 2009, 09:54:38 am
It's the same as telling people how to remove your scenery to spot campers. Unfair advantage.

= Insta ban.
The suggestion makes it such that it only works for teammates, so it isn't really much of an unfair advantage, just checking the status of your friends in a more convenient/advanced way than looking at the presence of blood on their bodies and pointing your cursor directly at them. If you can see campers, you're seeing your own teammates camping, that's it. Removing scenery is a different story, which is genuinely unfair.

Still, I really think it is useless, but if ever implemented, should be 100% optional, because I do not want to see extra bars clogging up my view. Good communication (with mics) as seen in gathers/clanwars is better or good enough.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on July 13, 2009, 04:26:36 pm
It's the same as telling people how to remove your scenery to spot campers. Unfair advantage.

= Insta ban.
The suggestion makes it such that it only works for teammates, so it isn't really much of an unfair advantage, just checking the status of your friends in a more convenient/advanced way than looking at the presence of blood on their bodies and pointing your cursor directly at them. If you can see campers, you're seeing your own teammates camping, that's it. Removing scenery is a different story, which is genuinely unfair.

Still, I really think it is useless, but if ever implemented, should be 100% optional, because I do not want to see extra bars clogging up my view. Good communication (with mics) as seen in gathers/clanwars is better or good enough.

Of course, but not all people just play gathers, like you :P
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: -Major- on July 13, 2009, 05:55:59 pm
It's the same as telling people how to remove your scenery to spot campers. Unfair advantage.

= Insta ban.
The suggestion makes it such that it only works for teammates, so it isn't really much of an unfair advantage, just checking the status of your friends in a more convenient/advanced way than looking at the presence of blood on their bodies and pointing your cursor directly at them. If you can see campers, you're seeing your own teammates camping, that's it. Removing scenery is a different story, which is genuinely unfair.

Still, I really think it is useless, but if ever implemented, should be 100% optional, because I do not want to see extra bars clogging up my view. Good communication (with mics) as seen in gathers/clanwars is better or good enough.

Of course, but not all people just play gathers, like you :P
Dusty don't play at all :|
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Dusty on July 13, 2009, 06:15:52 pm
True dat mang, no play since summer of '69.

It's the same as telling people how to remove your scenery to spot campers. Unfair advantage.

= Insta ban.
The suggestion makes it such that it only works for teammates, so it isn't really much of an unfair advantage, just checking the status of your friends in a more convenient/advanced way than looking at the presence of blood on their bodies and pointing your cursor directly at them. If you can see campers, you're seeing your own teammates camping, that's it. Removing scenery is a different story, which is genuinely unfair.


I think I understood the suggestion wrong, since I was going about modding the files so that a health bar would appear on every player.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: L[0ne]R on September 04, 2009, 03:53:03 pm
*continued from this post: http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=7292.msg434473#msg434473*

So you can see every single teammate at the same time, WHILE accurately seeing what gun they have, remembering how much ammo that gun has AND how long they have been shooting? You must be God.
It seems I am.
I dont look at anything specific. I just pick out "small blue things" around the screen and assume they're teammates. If that "blue thing" has "small white thing" - it's teammate with DEs. If it's a "long grey thing" - it's a Barrett. If it's a "long grey thing" and teammate runs around a lot - it's a noob with Barrett.
And it's even easier to see when your teammate starts shooting. Theres no need to actually stare at every teammate and what he's holding.

And I dont count bullets my teammates shoot, but it's still obvious you can't fire Steyr for 5 seconds non-stop. I do remember approximately how long you can fire each gun and I doubt it'll be much of a problem for other players too.


Health bars:
If your teammate is bleeding - regardless of what gun he's using he still needs help. If he's not bleeding - you shouldn't bother yourself with his health. He still has enough time and HP, so it's his responsibility to go find a medkit or risk being attacked while only 50% alive. 
IMO that's all you need to know about your teammate's health.

My main concern is that health bars in an old-school shooter will hurt Soldat's visual style (it's a shooter, not an RTS..). Most shooters do just fine without ANY indication of players' health. It's already great that in Soldat injured players bleed.

Ammo bars:
Like I've said before, an average player should already know that you can't fire Steyr for 5 seconds straight, that AK and Minimi can fire for much longer, that Ruger only has 4 bullets, that Barrett, M79 and LAW are one-shots, etc.
Some guns fire/reload faster than others, which makes it even more confusing if your teammate really is low on ammo. 40% for Barrett is fine, while for steyr it's suicide. Steyr, however, reloads very fast. Worry about YOUR ammo, and let teammates worry about theirs.

Names:
Perhaps as a feature separate from ESP (mainly to easily see "whos that speedhacking noob with pink pants? I can't see his name - he moves too fast") it would be more useful. Otherwise it'll only trash the screen and distract while not being very useful.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on September 04, 2009, 05:21:36 pm
(http://i27.tinypic.com/34spegx.png)
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: croat1gamer on September 04, 2009, 05:23:54 pm
I think it was F11'd enough times.
But i am voting an ALT+F4 this time.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on September 04, 2009, 06:36:31 pm
What I don't understand is why are you F11ing when it would be optional and the server can turn it off if they wanted to?(automatically off when soldat is installed, has to be turned on) What's the difference between this and minimap? Minimap covers the screen even more than this would.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: STM1993 on September 04, 2009, 06:53:33 pm
Even if it is an option, it doesn't mean it will be used or be a useful feature. The conventional ones work well enough as L[one]r said.

Look at the lobby chat for instance. What's the point of adding tonnes of pointless features if they aren't going to be used anyway? Even if it is used, is it really that useful/important?
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Shard on September 07, 2009, 03:21:15 pm
Just an honest question about that photo. Either A that's you?, or B you found it on the web? Because there's no way of knowing if someone as esp...

F11. Makes game to easy. Yes I know I said I would use it but I just don't think its gonna be put in. You don't see it in other major shooters do you? Maybe an option to view teammate names without need to put your cursor over them
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on September 07, 2009, 04:21:41 pm
It was on a hacking forum to show off his ESP hack. Gave me an idea to make this topic.

There are LOADS of games that have ESP in it. You can say the same about minimap.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: CrayAB on September 07, 2009, 05:50:14 pm
No. Stupid idea. F11.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Furai on September 08, 2009, 12:43:13 am
Just loose thought: how about admin ESP?
Anyway I don't like the whole idea of hack getting implemented into my lovely soldat.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: CheeSeMan. on September 08, 2009, 01:18:38 pm
why dont we add in an aimbot while were at it... optional of course!
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on September 08, 2009, 01:22:57 pm
You guys are soooo ignorant. What, do you think minimap was enesce's or MM's idea? Noooo, it was ORIGINALLY a hack, called a radar.

Radar = You see all players and where they are including enemies.

Minimap = You only see your friendlies.

ESP Hack = You see all players and where they are including enemies.

ESP for registered users = You only see your friendlies.

Aimbot is giving 1 player an advantage over another. This isn't because you can only see your teammate's. Same as minimap.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Dusty on September 08, 2009, 01:34:06 pm
You're pretty much the only one who likes the idea. You don't really need to know how many bullets does your mate have, neither do you have to see his health-bar since you can already see if he's weak.

Get over it already.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on September 08, 2009, 03:34:42 pm
What about names?
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: Dusty on September 08, 2009, 03:38:23 pm
Why? You can see the names if you're fast enough.....
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: croat1gamer on September 08, 2009, 03:41:40 pm
And thank god that you dont see the hp in percentage of your allies if you put your cursor over them.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: The Geologist on September 08, 2009, 06:12:52 pm
You guys are soooo ignorant. What, do you think minimap was enesce's or MM's idea? Noooo, it was ORIGINALLY a hack, called a radar.

Radar = You see all players and where they are including enemies.

Minimap = You only see your friendlies.

ESP Hack = You see all players and where they are including enemies.

ESP for registered users = You only see your friendlies.

Aimbot is giving 1 player an advantage over another. This isn't because you can only see your teammate's. Same as minimap.

You're pretty much the only one who likes the idea. You don't really need to know how many bullets does your mate have, neither do you have to see his health-bar since you can already see if he's weak.

Get over it already.

Amen to that.

And please, knock it off with the hack talk.  Even if some free range was given about discussing hacks to promote good discussion, this is getting excessive and is hardly discussion.  How and why you know these things makes me suspicious, but I won't go into that.  Tone it down for now.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on September 08, 2009, 08:20:39 pm
How I know that there are radar hacks out there? Rofl? Are you serious?
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: The Geologist on September 08, 2009, 08:31:03 pm
Not quite my point, doesn't matter, knock it off. 

Thanks.

Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on September 08, 2009, 10:31:24 pm
Well, it matters to me because I don't want people thinking untrue things of me. People already think I hack because of the jrgp incident.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: L[0ne]R on September 08, 2009, 10:41:09 pm
I smell off-topic.
Or is it my cat's litter box?
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: jrgp on September 08, 2009, 10:48:19 pm
Well, it matters to me because I don't want people thinking untrue things of me. People already think I hack because of the jrgp incident.

"Incident?" If that situation had happened 2 years ago, the staff at the time would have sent you packing. Permanently.

Listen to what Geo says and lay off the...information spewage.

@topic: it was your decision to take your suggestion thread and turn it into a hacking discussion. Personally, I think the idea might be slightly interesting and useful, and at the rate eC's stuffing in new features might actually be implemented.
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: miketh2005 on September 09, 2009, 10:49:11 am
Well, it matters to me because I don't want people thinking untrue things of me. People already think I hack because of the jrgp incident.

"Incident?" If that situation had happened 2 years ago, the staff at the time would have sent you packing. Permanently.

Listen to what Geo says and lay off the...information spewage.

@topic: it was your decision to take your suggestion thread and turn it into a hacking discussion. Personally, I think the idea might be slightly interesting and useful, and at the rate eC's stuffing in new features might actually be implemented.

Well thanks, sorry for "making it into a hacking discussion", but it was the only was to defend my point about minimap vs. ESP.

P.S. I doubt I would be banned for doing nothing wrong, as it wasn't against the rules at the time.  :-*
Title: Re: Team ESP for registered users.
Post by: scarface09 on September 10, 2009, 06:40:49 am
F11, ruins the gameplay and just looks completely stupid. This will make even more people quit, who wants even more bars in the way of playing.