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Misc => The Lounge => Topic started by: -Major- on October 27, 2009, 11:38:34 am
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so, what are them transsexuals (discussing born male ones). are they girl or guy? does that sex change surgery really make them a girl?
This morning talk show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDJXR1wXofA
pic: http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00844/kim-580_844661a.jpg
so ya, this person Kim petras... I saw this vid on youtube from "this morning" where this guy/girl started taking hormones at 12 and then had sex change at 16. looks says girl but.... ya, is it bangable or dateable? vote~ (no voting for transsexuals or any psyciatrists working on this subject)
also :3, post your thoughts~
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Not the worst sex change outcome I've seen. Probably fooled a few guys.
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To me, someone who's has a sex change is still deep down the original sex they were. Of course, socially I wouldn't treat them with any contempt if they had a sex change, I'd treat them as what they wanted to be.
It's just the same as a 60 year old having plastic surgery to look 30, it doesn't change their age, it just changes the age they look.
For me, there's nothing wrong with it so long as they're honest about it. If they're going into a relationship with someone they have to tell that person the truth otherwise it becomes quite sinister...
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It's just a guy with a hacked up penis and hormone pills.
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"neither".
As with the latin-era Romans, they considered a "neuter" gender for castrated males, which is essentially what the m2f operations do. (with the addition of plastic, fake hormones, and surgical reshaping)
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Plain and simple- I am willing to accept Kim as a girl. Simply because what matters to me most is their personality and nothing else. If she acts and has a overall feeling of a girl, then she is one.
But the main question here to me is that, how would kim go about if she wanted to love someone?
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IMO, it's impossible to completely change your gender. At least not with current technologies. Physically transsexuals will still be the same gender as they were born.
Mentally though, they're not limited at all. They can feel and act exactly like a person of opposite gender.
I think it depends which way you look at it. Body or mind. So, "dateable" and "bangable" are a matter of taste.
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Whenever there is the word "transexual", I will always stay out of it. I do not want any corrupting relationship.
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This thread is suspicious. You posted a picture that most people would think is a girl. BUT since you asked which sex "it" is... Then I voted for a guy.
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This thread is suspicious. You posted a picture that most people would think is a girl. BUT since you asked which sex "it" is... Then I voted for a guy.
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Or what was teh question. lol.
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Or what was teh question. lol.
"is this person from link girl or guy now?"
The person on the pic is Kim Petras (a guy who had a sex change). Question is - do you think he's still a guy or no.
At least that's how I understood that.
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i would fuck that dude
he could put it in my ass and we could have serious hanky panky
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I have never had hormone therapy or a sex change so I cannot say for sure whether it's a guy or a girl. Does it matter?
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The original sex. No matter how s/he changes physiologically, genetically s/he is still what s/he was born as.
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Sex changes are for people who can't see past social constructs. In the video it's obvious, the kid has no idea what biological gender is and what social gender is. Anyone with a black and white view (and that goes for all of you as well) of such a complicated question is obviously not seeing the whole picture... And now he's gone and cut his nuts off. At least it keeps these morons from breeding.
In short... That man is a dude!
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boy hips are boy hips
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Anyone who can shave their legs that good is labeled girl in my book.
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Sex changes are for people who can't see past social constructs. In the video it's obvious, the kid has no idea what biological gender is and what social gender is. Anyone with a black and white view (and that goes for all of you as well) of such a complicated question is obviously not seeing the whole picture... And now he's gone and cut his nuts off. At least it keeps these morons from breeding.
In short... That man is a dude!
GSx, you just made my day. I've you had a sex changed, I'd have sex with you.
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S/hes got man legs. Ughh. I wouldn't do her, but I wouldn't be offended by the fact s/he got a sex change.
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"it"
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Who gives a crap? I could call the person Thraghaforiunoputon and it wouldn't make a difference what said person is.
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Somewhere along the way society stopped caring about it's own evolution.
Happy birthday.
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That's the creepiest looking imitation girl I've seen. "She" still totally has man-legs
and an Adam's apple. The person just... doesn't look right, and needs more bodily substance because she looks kinda starved (to give a more feminine impression...?)
Edit:
It's still weird, but after watching half the video, I'm somewhat more convinced of.. whatever there is to be convinced of. As said before, it's still rather odd... oh damn, I'm drifting into a British accent again...
Edit2:
Ehhh, seeing the end of the video when they talk about her being some internet star, it gave me the bad heebee-geebees
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Why is anyone referring to him as "her"?
Oh - Where's the uterus? Yes, that's awfully straightforward. But someone had to do it.
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That's the creepiest looking imitation girl I've seen. "She" still totally has man-legs and an Adam's apple. The person just... doesn't look right, and needs more bodily substance because she looks kinda starved (to give a more feminine impression...?)
I couldn't find a better looking example :D....
anyway, nah, the starving doesn't mean it's trying to look more femenine, annorexia can be found with both males and females you know~.
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after crossing a very noticable fine line, I wouldn't give a fuck.
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If I didn't know about the sex change, and there weren't any obvious indicators (like a weird voice, etc.), I'd probably hang out with her. However, once I found out, there would be that involuntary shudder every time I thought about it. It has the inherent creepiness of "this person, while still human, has corrupted what they once were." It's like seeing a dead person, or a robot with human skin. I'd say the uncanny valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley) is in full effect here.
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Wow, I'm shocked..
Her feet are kinda revealing, since they're so big.
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You guys are fucking racist.
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GSx, you just made my day. I've you had a sex changed, I'd have sex with you.
While being offered sex is always pleasant, I'll have to say thanks but I'm quite happy with my penis and do not wish to part with it.
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You guys are f**king racist.
Oh no, not the Nixon tactic...
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Why is anyone referring to him as "her"?
Maybe out of consideration for his feelings? If he wants to be a woman, it would probably hurt his feelings if someone referred to him as to a guy.
on the second thought.. I doubt people here are that considerate. <_<
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Protip: If you change your sex, dont make it public.
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"I was asked if I feel like a woman now - but the truth is I have always felt like a woman - I just ended up in the wrong body."
Let your narrow minds swallow that.
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Protip: If you change your sex, dont make it public.
+1
...but in her case, she really had no choice being an "internet star" n' all.
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"I was asked if I feel like a woman now - but the truth is I have always felt like a woman - I just ended up in the wrong body."
Let your narrow minds swallow that.
I'm sure he, enjoys swallowing things also :P.
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More like he is desperate to find someone without any internet connection.
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Guys. This is a thing of heart. If he/she feels like he or she wants to be guy or girl and reaches a level of sexchange that it´s not obvious you can´t talk like that. Saying it´s disgusting that she had this sexchange just makes it worse for YOU. It is not pervert. It is not pathetic. She found the thing in her life that she wants to be. A girl. Many guys out there die with this thoughts but never change their sex.
Maybe out of consideration for his feelings? If he wants to be a woman, it would probably hurt his feelings if someone referred to him as to a guy.
on the second thought.. I doubt people here are that considerate. <_<
That´s just right. This may be because most people around are just dumb and I say this with no arrogance.
To be all honest it´s you guys being disgusting. Don´t judge a person because of a penis/a vagina.
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Maybe out of consideration for his feelings? If he wants to be a woman, it would probably hurt his feelings if someone referred to him as to a guy.
on the second thought.. I doubt people here are that considerate. <_<
That´s just right. This may be because most people around are just dumb and I say this with no arrogance.
This is the internet.
Actually, i dont think of them as weird (more-less) just, if it comes somehow that i sleep with them, i just dont want to hear it then.
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Guys. This is a thing of heart. If he/she feels like he or she wants to be guy or girl and reaches a level of sexchange that it´s not obvious you can´t talk like that. Saying it´s disgusting that she had this sexchange just makes it worse for YOU. It is not pervert. It is not pathetic. She found the thing in her life that she wants to be. A girl. Many guys out there die with this thoughts but never change their sex.
Maybe out of consideration for his feelings? If he wants to be a woman, it would probably hurt his feelings if someone referred to him as to a guy.
on the second thought.. I doubt people here are that considerate. <_<
That´s just right. This may be because most people around are just dumb and I say this with no arrogance.
To be all honest it´s you guys being disgusting. Don´t judge a person because of a penis/a vagina.
Yea, that's the way all things of the heart happen. Broadcast on television and streamed across the web.
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Guys. This is a thing of heart. If he/she feels like he or she wants to be guy or girl and reaches a level of sexchange that it´s not obvious you can´t talk like that. Saying it´s disgusting that she had this sexchange just makes it worse for YOU. It is not pervert. It is not pathetic. She found the thing in her life that she wants to be. A girl. Many guys out there die with this thoughts but never change their sex.
Maybe out of consideration for his feelings? If he wants to be a woman, it would probably hurt his feelings if someone referred to him as to a guy.
on the second thought.. I doubt people here are that considerate. <_<
That´s just right. This may be because most people around are just dumb and I say this with no arrogance.
To be all honest it´s you guys being disgusting. Don´t judge a person because of a penis/a vagina.
Yea, that's the way all things of the heart happen. Broadcast on television and streamed across the web.
I think she was more interessted talking about her music than her past, however, I also think she wants to justify being transsexual.
in anyway, I'm quite unsure of if it's a mental illness or a physical illness.
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this is now known as 'the gaga experience'
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To be all honest it´s you guys being disgusting. Don´t judge a person because of a penis/a vagina.
People will stop judging them once they can stop judging themselves about their own sexual genitalia.
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To be all honest it´s you guys being disgusting. Don´t judge a person because of a penis/a vagina.
People will stop judging them once they can stop judging themselves about their own sexual genitalia.
as far as I know transsexual people are very strong ones, that is the ones who survives. they don't really judge their own sexual genitalia. as that interveiw said, they find themself being born in the wrong body at birth and therefore also suffering with body dysmorphia.
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To be all honest it´s you guys being disgusting. Don´t judge a person because of a penis/a vagina.
People will stop judging them once they can stop judging themselves about their own sexual genitalia.
as far as I know transsexual people are very strong ones, that is the ones who survives. they don't really judge their own sexual genitalia. as that interveiw said, they find themself being born in the wrong body at birth and therefore also suffering with body dysmorphia.
It seems to me if you have body dysmorphia then you must be judging your body and therefore your genitalia.
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To be all honest it´s you guys being disgusting. Don´t judge a person because of a penis/a vagina.
People will stop judging them once they can stop judging themselves about their own sexual genitalia.
as far as I know transsexual people are very strong ones, that is the ones who survives. they don't really judge their own sexual genitalia. as that interveiw said, they find themself being born in the wrong body at birth and therefore also suffering with body dysmorphia.
It seems to me if you have body dysmorphia then you must be judging your body and therefore your genitalia.
it is more of, not having the right thing. some people even go trough amputations due to body dysmorphia (those people who "feel" some body parts are not theirs). it's not judging your genitalia. lets say your hand was retarded, surgery could fix it, but then you'd just be a lame ass that judge your body, so nobody will accept you for it.
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(those people who "feel" some body parts are not theirs).
And others "feel" that sex changes don't really change anything.
If you don't like having a penis then this requires a judgment on your genitalia. Just like when if you don't think transgenders are truly the opposite sex.
lets say your hand was retarded, surgery could fix it, but then you'd just be a lame ass that judge your body, so nobody will accept you for it.
What do you mean my hand would be retarded? Are you just saying that I am able to judge my hand but not genitalia?
The f**k is going on here?
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Smegma, lets say:
You think your penis is too small and you want a bigger one. Isn´t that a clear judgement? I guess you are wrong. The fuck is going here!
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a retarded hand would be a hand that doesn't look like a hand.
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a retarded hand would be a hand that doesn't look like a hand.
Yes but in order to come upon the decision of changing your hand or your genitalia, you must make a judgment.
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smegma i am going to look at your post. then i am going to recollect my previous argument and apply it to what you have just said regardless of how your argument might effect mine
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a retarded hand would be a hand that doesn't look like a hand.
Yes but in order to come upon the decision of changing your hand or your genitalia, you must make a judgment.
so... you don't think anyone should have the right to correct the hands retardation if it can be corrected...?
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To be all honest it´s you guys being disgusting. Don´t judge a person because of a penis/a vagina.
People will stop judging them once they can stop judging themselves about their own sexual genitalia.
This is all I said.
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To be all honest it´s you guys being disgusting. Don´t judge a person because of a penis/a vagina.
People will stop judging them once they can stop judging themselves about their own sexual genitalia.
This is all I said.
which means, nothing that isn't normal and you judge it, it shall not be fixed. smart thinking.
why do people bother with medical care? who the hell cares about these rashes, it's just judging your own body.
retardation got it's limits smegma.
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which means, nothing that isn't normal and you judge it, it shall not be fixed. smart thinking.
why do people bother with medical care? who the hell cares about these rashes, it's just judging your own body.
retardation got it's limits smegma.
No, it just mean what I said. I never said anything about not getting sex changes.
Also, a healthy male/female body is different from a diseased sick one.
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transsexuals are the same as black people I guess. if the majority is looking down on you, you look down on yourself, simple psycology.
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that would probably fall more under sociology under Cooley's looking glass self theory.
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transsexuals are the same as black people I guess. if the majority is looking down on you, you look down on yourself, simple psycology.
Yea, they are. They are the same as white people too, just that they don't have their original genitalia is the only difference.
if the majority is looking down on you, you look down on yourself
Not necessarily. Plus we all have to make life decisions, you just have to weigh the pros and the cons of each one.
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transsexuals are the same as black people I guess. if the majority is looking down on you, you look down on yourself, simple psycology.
Yea, they are. They are the same as white people too, just that they don't have their original genitalia is the only difference.
stop trolling my topic T_T
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I am not trolling. Just because you do not agree and do not wish to debate any further doesn't qualify this as trolling.
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I am not trolling. Just because you do not agree and do not wish to debate any further doesn't qualify this as trolling.
you've changed your original statement like 3 times, that is called trolling. also trying to go around your own statement and talking nonsense.
transsexualism is a disorder, but cannot be cured mentally, therefor sex change is kicked in. they are how they are, it's the same with black people. atleast before they were minority and used by the white people, which puts them in disadvantage. and because of other people looking down and judging them, they judge themseves.
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you've changed your original statement like 3 times, that is called trolling. also trying to go around your own statement and talking nonsense.
I've never changed my statement, you just keep implying too much from it.
they are how they are, it's the same with black people. atleast before they were minority and used by the white people, which puts them in disadvantage. and because of other people looking down and judging them, they judge themseves.
You see, you sound like you are saying black people have a disorder, when they don't.
people looking down and judging them, they judge themseves.
This does not hold true for all people.
transsexualism is a disorder, but cannot be cured mentally,
Its quite odd, I'm sure transsexualism didn't arise with the advent of the ability for sex changes. THey lived back then with their original genitalia. I refer you to GSx:
Sex changes are for people who can't see past social constructs. In the video it's obvious, the kid has no idea what biological gender is and what social gender is. Anyone with a black and white view (and that goes for all of you as well) of such a complicated question is obviously not seeing the whole picture... And now he's gone and cut his nuts off. At least it keeps these morons from breeding.
In short... That man is a dude!
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Look at his kneecaps, look at his baldness... And the rough hands and feet full of veins.
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they are how they are, it's the same with black people. atleast before they were minority and used by the white people, which puts them in disadvantage. and because of other people looking down and judging them, they judge themseves.
You see, you sound like you are saying black people have a disorder, when they don't.
people looking down and judging them, they judge themseves.
This does not hold true for all people.
this is true for like 99% of the people, if it isn't, you're not mentally right.
transsexualism is a disorder, but cannot be cured mentally,
Its quite odd, I'm sure transsexualism didn't arise with the advent of the ability for sex changes. THey lived back then with their original genitalia. I refer you to GSx:
Sex changes are for people who can't see past social constructs. In the video it's obvious, the kid has no idea what biological gender is and what social gender is. Anyone with a black and white view (and that goes for all of you as well) of such a complicated question is obviously not seeing the whole picture... And now he's gone and cut his nuts off. At least it keeps these morons from breeding.
In short... That man is a dude!
well, before they ended up killing themselves (which still obvoiusly happens) or living with their original genitalia, so this part is complicated. however, as far as I know it was attempted to treat with psycology, but it resulted in heavier confisuins and mental instability.
for them being not able to see past social constructs may be true. my moral still tells me to see them as women.
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this is true for like 99% of the people, if it isn't, you're not mentally right.
Last time I checked, depending on others approval was a symptom of personality disorders and not healthy.
well, before they ended up killing themselves
All of them?
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this is true for like 99% of the people, if it isn't, you're not mentally right.
Last time I checked, depending on others approval was a symptom of personality disorders and not healthy.
if you absolutly does not care about what others think, in for example bullieing, you're one hell of a strange person.
well, before they ended up killing themselves
All of them?
I guess most of them, the current suicide rate is about 30% before age 20 I think.
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for them being not able to see past social constructs may be true. my moral still tells me to see them as women.
Thank you for proving my point...
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I guess most of them, the current suicide rate is about 30% before age 20 I think.
You have a weird definition of "most of them".
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if you absolutly does not care about what others think, in for example bullieing, you're one hell of a strange person.
That may be, but I don't have to worry about it.
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I guess most of them, the current suicide rate is about 30% before age 20 I think.
You have a weird definition of "most of them".
that is a current one, I guess 50 years ago that number was above 50%, which makes most of them quite true.
if you absolutly does not care about what others think, in for example bullieing, you're one hell of a strange person.
That may be, but I don't have to worry about it.
what? no? well...? what the hell? you just... ????
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that is a current one, I guess 50 years ago that number was above 50%, which makes most of them quite true.
I guess fifty years ago, it was lower than 50%
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that is a current one, I guess 50 years ago that number was above 50%, which makes most of them quite true.
I guess fifty years ago, it was lower than 50%
why would you assume that?
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that is a current one, I guess 50 years ago that number was above 50%, which makes most of them quite true.
I guess fifty years ago, it was lower than 50%
why would you assume that?
The same reason why you chose above 50%
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that is a current one, I guess 50 years ago that number was above 50%, which makes most of them quite true.
I guess fifty years ago, it was lower than 50%
why would you assume that?
The same reason why you chose above 50%
more treatment should lower the suicide rate.
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more treatment should lower the suicide rate.
That is not the only factor at play here. Unless you show me studies my guess is as good as yours.
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What's with the quote abuse, especially when you're the only 2 massively posting lately.
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so, what about XY-girls? they are geneticaly men but are born with female genitalia, and may have disfunctional parts from either gender? :o
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so, what about XY-girls? they are geneticaly men but are born with female genitalia, and may have disfunctional parts from either gender? :o
Wrong. Hermaphrodites usually have either 2 x's or 2 y's. (in addition to 1 of the other) I can't be f**ked to look it up, so go wiki it.
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so, what about XY-girls? they are geneticaly men but are born with female genitalia, and may have disfunctional parts from either gender? :o
Wrong. Hermaphrodites usually have either 2 x's or 2 y's. (in addition to 1 of the other) I can't be f**ked to look it up, so go wiki it.
... there are XY girls, there are also XXY girls, XY girls are a diffrent story, they are treated as girls and are medicated to gain female shapes. they are also registrated as a girl, but the fetus is still male to begin with but then started to develop into female instead.
so is that a girl or a boy?
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so, what about XY-girls? they are geneticaly men but are born with female genitalia, and may have disfunctional parts from either gender? :o
Wrong. Hermaphrodites usually have either 2 x's or 2 y's. (in addition to 1 of the other) I can't be f**ked to look it up, so go wiki it.
... there are XY girls, there are also XXY girls, XY girls are a diffrent story, they are treated as girls and are medicated to gain female shapes. they are also registrated as a girl, but the fetus is still male to begin with but then started to develop into female instead.
so is that a girl or a boy?
"neither".
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(http://norunnyeggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/its-a-trap.jpg)
Guys... guess wat
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She's pretty! Definitely a girl!