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Title: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: |_ancer on November 14, 2009, 08:41:10 am
In Soldat 1.5.1, Enesce added a account based system for Soldat to play online which is the Soldat Portal. I myself don't really like this whole idea as it ruins Soldat's simplicity. Who needs to login to play a server. If Soldat Portal is down, then no one can play multiplayer Soldat.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: biohazard on November 14, 2009, 09:18:21 am
ppl covered the soldat's simplicity with lots of 3rd-party shits, like IRC and stuff... so i dont think that Soldat itself is simple, just the gameplay for sure.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: croat1gamer on November 14, 2009, 09:19:48 am
Registering is finally being useful.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: STM1993 on November 14, 2009, 09:59:02 am
I'm okay if it's only for registered players, but for those who don't register, I think it's a bad idea.

I see it this way: you register, you get an account, then you get all the benefits from that account + reg features if you login, but you can choose not to login and just play casually. If you don't register, then it's just as it was before.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: EnEsCe on November 14, 2009, 10:00:04 am
Regardless, the Portal is here to stay. All of Michal's games are going to be using an account system, Soldat included.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: MAD on November 14, 2009, 11:06:51 am
>8C forced to buy
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: EnEsCe on November 14, 2009, 11:16:14 am
You don't need to buy anything.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 14, 2009, 11:36:57 am
Regardless, the Portal is here to stay. All of Michal's games are going to be using an account system, Soldat included.

What was his reason for this? (MM's)
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Mittsu on November 14, 2009, 11:50:31 am
the question is tendencious, of course it isn't necessery, it doesn't mean some people wouldn't like it. I could live without it, but it's always cool to have ability to ban players by their account ID's, be able to send private messages on the soldat accounts and watch weapon statistics. The problem is i've heard there are some bugs on registering. So i like it if it doesn't add any issues.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 14, 2009, 11:54:32 am
the question is tendencious, of course it isn't necessery, it doesn't mean some people wouldn't like it. I could live without it, but it's always cool to have ability to ban players by their account ID's, be able to send private messages on the soldat accounts and watch weapon statistics. The problem is i've heard there are some bugs on registering.

Ban players by ID's... Fucking bastards, this is way ridiculous!
And once I thought that the barret and knife start up time was as bad as it could get.
I might be whining now, but this kind of nazi control is just pure bullcrap. Hope it gets removed.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Sauron on November 14, 2009, 12:01:15 pm
Maybe next step to grave for Soldat. For new players it will be only annoying to register. I don`t support it. If MM want some account system no problem but it`s useless for some small 2D game like Soldat.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: FliesLikeABrick on November 14, 2009, 12:02:20 pm
Regardless, the Portal is here to stay. All of Michal's games are going to be using an account system, Soldat included.

What was his reason for this? (MM's)

Among other things, it will allow fora lot of features in the future, though I don't think I'm supposed to start listing them right now.  As of right now it is in the beta for testing purposes, it *will* serve a number of purposes in the future
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 14, 2009, 12:50:02 pm
Regardless, the Portal is here to stay. All of Michal's games are going to be using an account system, Soldat included.

What was his reason for this? (MM's)

Among other things, it will allow fora lot of features in the future, though I don't think I'm supposed to start listing them right now.  As of right now it is in the beta for testing purposes, it *will* serve a number of purposes in the future

Could you atleast give a hint in what direction since this doesnt sound like its going to be of any use or will make things more complex than it is now. I just love to start soldat, pick a random server with low ping and right settings and fire away to kick some ass. Nothing more. Just plain action and no bullshit. Thats why I love soldat so much.

I personally play soldat only for the gameplay and mostly in pubs and dont use irc or other crap like that for chatting.
If I want to chat, I dont play soldat, I chat instead. And if I play soldat, I dont chat. Fucking multitasking monkeys.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Centurion on November 14, 2009, 04:06:22 pm
Sorry for offtopic but a quick question:

Why does my soldat show me that I am registered but doesn't let me change anything?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Veritas on November 14, 2009, 06:29:48 pm
If Soldat will go open-source soon, this is a wonderful idea to make registering matter and allowing Soldat to continue development with financial support for MM.

If Soldat stays closed source and continues the molasses paced development cycle, having this be required is not going to help the game.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: LtKillroy on November 14, 2009, 07:16:51 pm
I find it impossible to tell you in the language I also order pizza in how much I don't want this, so I'm not going to try.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: FliesLikeABrick on November 14, 2009, 07:33:28 pm
Sorry for offtopic but a quick question:

Why does my soldat show me that I am registered but doesn't let me change anything?

Please create a new thread for this problem, don't hijack other threads.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Mitak on November 14, 2009, 07:43:10 pm
It's useless vs hackers - you can always create another account.
And to those who find it too complex to click ONCE in their lifetime on "remember password" and "automatically log in"... Wow.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 14, 2009, 07:51:09 pm
The problem is i've heard there are some bugs on registering. So i like it if it doesn't add any issues.
Well, hey, it's a good thing we have a beta to solve all the problems! :D

Ban players by ID's... f**king b*****ds, this is way ridiculous!
And once I thought that the barret and knife start up time was as bad as it could get.
I might be whining now, but this kind of nazi control is just pure bullcrap. Hope it gets removed.
Um... I don't quite understand how you would find that "nazi control"... Server owners will be now able to ban by TagID as well as IP.

Maybe next step to grave for Soldat. For new players it will be only annoying to register. I don`t support it. If MM want some account system no problem but it`s useless for some small 2D game like Soldat.
Seeming that quite a few games these days have online account systems, I don't think the Portal is going to be a turn off. The registration process is done mostly within the game itself, with the only action required outside of it being accessing your e-mail, which is a simple enough thing to do, I'd say.

It's useless vs hackers - you can always create another account.
Yeah, if they really have no life... of course, then, you could always decide to ban them by IP instead. :P
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Cyrix on November 14, 2009, 08:00:43 pm
I am totally up in the air about this subject. I honestly see what is trying to be done with the Portal and respect that idea. However, Like many of you have said it would complicate things. Complicate to a fault? I doubt it. It will just put more incentive into registering the game. It would add a litle work but i think what it would do in the end if the Portal is that great would be a benefit for us all. Just think what our other favorite games would be like with more features and an added budget. Look at games for any console or system. The best ones are the ones that people want because they have the coolest features. Put two simmilar games side by side and you will take the one that offers you more. I dont know. I like the idea. Really. Just not sure if this is the way i would go about it.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 14, 2009, 08:23:31 pm
Only thing I dont like is the fact that you can't play online without an account.
You can no longer just download ang play the game - instead you'll have to go through all that registration and verification process. Also, if there are problems with Soldat Portal server - everyone will suffer. Are user IDs really worth it?

Soldat Portal is very promising, it gives possibilities for great new features. If only registration was optional - then I'm sure everyone would be happy.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Illuminatus on November 14, 2009, 09:52:02 pm
you'll have to go through all that registration and verification process.
How long did it take for you? 1 or 2 minutes?

Also, if there are problems with Soldat Portal server - everyone will suffer.
Almost the same with Soldat lobby.

Are user IDs really worth it?
Ya, I think so.

If only registration was optional
This would ruin the whole concept...
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 14, 2009, 10:11:48 pm
Also, if there are problems with Soldat Portal server - everyone will suffer.
Almost the same with Soldat lobby.
Damn, that's a nice point right there, although I think it only affects public servers. Currently, if you've favourited them or are joining them directly via a link, you can still join without the lobby. The same will not be true with the Portal, although I'm sure EnEsCe has taken a few steps to make sure that if the server does go down, interruption is at a minimum.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 14, 2009, 10:19:51 pm
you'll have to go through all that registration and verification process.
How long did it take for you? 1 or 2 minutes?
About 10 because the activation email wouldn't arrive.
I know it doesnt seem like that big of a deal to you, but trust me, sometimes simple thing like registration requires more effort than it seems. Maybe you just haven't experienced that.

Almost the same with Soldat lobby.
But at least in case of soldat lobby you can still use your favorite servers list, manually enter the IP, or use a browser-based lobby. Even if lobby is down you can still play online.

This would ruin the whole concept...
How would it ruin it? And what exactly is that concept?
The only thing that would be ruined is the ID-based ban system, because cheaters will not use online accounts and therefore won't have IDs. However BattlEye is doing a good enough job, there's not that much need for even more measures against cheaters.

Friends list, stats, nick protection, user info - all that would still work for those who choose to create an account. Those who don't want to bother with account system for whatever reasons (maybe they just want to try out the game quickly, or they feel it overcomplicates Soldat, or just dont need those features, or have technical problems with that) - they could still use simple Soldat profiles.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Veritas on November 14, 2009, 10:22:38 pm
ID-based bans will be easy to get around anyway. It's trivial to make a new account.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 14, 2009, 10:24:24 pm
ID-based bans will be easy to get around anyway. It's trivial to make a new account.
Well, you can only register one account per e-mail. So you'd not only have to create a new account, but a new email too, which isn't a fun process.
So I'd say it IS an effective measure, it's just Soldat's doing good enough without it.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Veritas on November 14, 2009, 10:26:43 pm
ID-based bans will be easy to get around anyway. It's trivial to make a new account.
Well, you can only register one account per e-mail. So you'd not only have to create a new account, but a new email too, which isn't a fun process.
So I'd say it IS an effective measure, it's just Soldat's doing good enough without it.
...it's also trivial to make a new e-mail account.

PS: I'm agreeing with you, so  :|
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 14, 2009, 10:33:32 pm
ID-based bans will be easy to get around anyway. It's trivial to make a new account.
Well, you can only register one account per e-mail. So you'd not only have to create a new account, but a new email too, which isn't a fun process.
So I'd say it IS an effective measure, it's just Soldat's doing good enough without it.
...it's also trivial to make a new e-mail account.

PS: I'm agreeing with you, so  :|
On the second thought, creating an email account doesn't require any activations, so yeah.. It won't stop ID-banned users from rejoining.
Worse - admins might stop using IP-bans and use ID-bans instead, which will reduce ban effectiveness in general since ID bans are easier and faster to go around.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: chutem on November 14, 2009, 10:39:25 pm
I would say admins would ban IP and ID.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Illuminatus on November 14, 2009, 10:48:01 pm
ID bans are easier and faster to go around.
I don't know where you live but I can change my IP in ~7 seconds. If I ever get banned I just went [ALT]+[TAB] (playing in fullscreen), changing IP, back to Soldat and -woops- I'm again in that server...I don't think I'm gonna create a new account just to rejoin that server again...

Banning in Soldat never was effective, until now. That's what MM called "professional" I think - a great benefit for clanwars, leagues and gather.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Boots on November 14, 2009, 11:04:02 pm
it's stupid and not needed for a game like soldat.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Veritas on November 14, 2009, 11:17:01 pm
ID bans are easier and faster to go around.
I don't know where you live but I can change my IP in ~7 seconds. If I ever get banned I just went [ALT]+[TAB] (playing in fullscreen), changing IP, back to Soldat and -woops- I'm again in that server...I don't think I'm gonna create a new account just to rejoin that server again...

Banning in Soldat never was effective, until now. That's what MM called "professional" I think - a great benefit for clanwars, leagues and gather.
If you had to pay to get an ID, then yes, the ban would be effective.

As is, you now have to spend 5 minutes instead of 7 seconds - hardly an effective deterrent.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Illuminatus on November 14, 2009, 11:38:46 pm
there never were many haxors...this will bring them to a minimum everybody can live with...
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Mitak on November 15, 2009, 12:21:16 am
With modernization comes fast death. Keep it simple.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: GreenMachine on November 15, 2009, 12:27:48 am
why screw around with something that was perfect from day 1 ?

It just seems like the powers that be are just complicating the game for the sake of complicating.

Money is a good motivator in some things, but not everything.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: RafiPZ on November 15, 2009, 01:01:42 am
I don't see what the problem is. I don't know about you guys, but when I first played the game I didn't just immediately jump onto online play. I actually played offline for a while and found that I really liked it. If I had to register back then, I most certainly would have because the game is so much fun. To answer the question though, no, I don't think it's absolutely NECESSARY but I can see a bunch of cool things popping up from this.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Cyrix on November 15, 2009, 01:21:38 am
I think as long as you DONT HAVE TO register everything will be fine. Just give a great deal of incentive so that people will. But like many people have said, its inportant in gaining new players, and i know there are a lot of players who end up registering because they were able to try the game in its entirety (gosh i dont know how to spell that word) before they decided to register or not.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 15, 2009, 01:33:37 am
I think, as long as the process for creating a new account is clear and concise, then there really isn't a problem with discouraging new players.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Mitak on November 15, 2009, 01:40:48 am
When those with the power say YES and those without the power say NO, it's never for good and too late to go back ;)
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 15, 2009, 03:58:28 am
I think I seem to understand whats the point of portal; hackers. However, as many already said, creating a new account would be a piece of cake and continue playing within seconds and the fact that it also cancels the REGISTRATION KEY THAT YOU PAYED FOR is just ridiculous.

Not to mention this kind of a system can be easily abused by admins to make someone's soldat life a hell because they might hate them personally or simply are just bored. (get the hint?).

I dont know if it was MM that ordered this or NSC's idea, but ultimately its no good. Hackers will always persist and this portal wont stop them.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: W0MB13 on November 15, 2009, 06:15:15 am
I personally think the portal is a good idea. The fact that the name registration lock is built into the account is a major plus for me. I also like the implementation of the friends list. Hopefully the portal will help encourage more people to pay for registration, the game is certainly worthy of that small cost.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: zakath on November 15, 2009, 06:16:48 am
I think I seem to understand whats the point of portal; hackers. However, as many already said, creating a new account would be a piece of cake and continue playing within seconds and the fact that it also cancels the REGISTRATION KEY THAT YOU PAYED FOR is just ridiculous.

Not to mention this kind of a system can be easily abused by admins to make someone's soldat life a hell because they might hate them personally or simply are just bored. (get the hint?).

I dont know if it was MM that ordered this or NSC's idea, but ultimately its no good. Hackers will always persist and this portal wont stop them.
when you pay for that registration key you sign an binding agreement which among other things doesn't allow you to hack the game so I think its more then fair that hackers forfeit their registration key.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 15, 2009, 06:27:18 am
I think I seem to understand whats the point of portal; hackers. However, as many already said, creating a new account would be a piece of cake and continue playing within seconds and the fact that it also cancels the REGISTRATION KEY THAT YOU PAYED FOR is just ridiculous.

I dont know if it was MM that ordered this or NSC's idea, but ultimately its no good. Hackers will always persist and this portal wont stop them.
I'd say you've misunderstood, then. This won't stop hackers, and I doubt EnEsCe designed the Portal to stop them in the first place. No, EnEsCe has designed it because of the extra features he can then bring to Soldat through it. It was probably EnEsCe's idea, but either way, MM still seems pleased about the Portal.

As for the registration key thing, that's probably a bug, so you should report it instead of thinking it's intentionally designed that way. Unless you're using an illegal key, of course... (I'm assuming here that your registration key isn't working or something?)
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: pavliko on November 15, 2009, 06:51:48 am
I don't understand why there are people that againts soldat portal. Don't you people understand that this will only improve soldat? Sure a lot of us use irc and other software but this makes soldat to step forward to a new level of soldat gaming. And stuff like 'play 14 hours to unlock the minimi' ain't gonna happen. Just thinking of what soldat can become because of 'SP' , just makes me proud of being a soldatter. I wont talk about how i didn't even get to login with my acc because of some bug but still, be happy and say thanks to the developers of SP for this awesome idea! >__< even MM is happy about this idea after he didn't even care about soldat. Anyway i'm happy with this :D
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 15, 2009, 12:17:06 pm
I think I seem to understand whats the point of portal; hackers. However, as many already said, creating a new account would be a piece of cake and continue playing within seconds and the fact that it also cancels the REGISTRATION KEY THAT YOU PAYED FOR is just ridiculous.

Not to mention this kind of a system can be easily abused by admins to make someone's soldat life a hell because they might hate them personally or simply are just bored. (get the hint?).

I dont know if it was MM that ordered this or NSC's idea, but ultimately its no good. Hackers will always persist and this portal wont stop them.
when you pay for that registration key you sign an binding agreement which among other things doesn't allow you to hack the game so I think its more then fair that hackers forfeit their registration key.

They can use another account to do hack play while play normal with their regs and besides that its rare that a hacker has registered his soldat in the first place. That would be pretty dumb unless he used some shady crack to do.


Then I dont quite get what kind of "features" you guys are talking about for the portal. Something like that useless irc or other chat related thing or maybe even a statistics page to look at your e-penor and flail it around screaming "OI! OI GUYS, I GOT A >9000/1 K:D RATIO. SUCK THAT NOOBS"

What features could they possibly be? Please dont tell me its any of the above. You could add something more important and useful gameplay wise like an ingame taunt editor somewhere in the menu or a tutorial for new players to show how to move around and shoot guns (so no-one will ever ask about their miniguns not firing) not to mention an ingame mod changer would be nice instead of using akward 3rd party crap.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: HEX on November 17, 2009, 01:54:53 pm
Since it's hosted on EnEsCe's datacenter and on-line Soldat depends on your login/password, what will happen with Soldat if he just give up maintaining his datacenter and the login system? Will we still be able to play online?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: pavliko on November 17, 2009, 02:26:39 pm
Since it's hosted on EnEsCe's datacenter and on-line Soldat depends on your login/password, what will happen with Soldat if he just give up maintaining his datacenter and the login system? Will we still be able to play online?
I don't think that it will happen but if it will i guess enesce will pass the data center to someone else.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: JFK on November 17, 2009, 02:57:34 pm
I can see a lot of possibilities for the community when using a register system (how about global stats :p). But I am worried about using the ID's to ban players:

Worse - admins might stop using IP-bans and use ID-bans instead, which will reduce ban effectiveness in general since ID bans are easier and faster to go around.
If I read the changelog well then using an ID tag is going to be the 'default' way of banning in the new soldat (haven't tested anything though), unless you'll be scripting something.
If that is so, then I see a problem. There are many ppl that have dynamic IP such as illuminatus, but those can be banned by using ip-range bans. It might take a while to figure out what range(s) someone is using, but at least I'm sure that over time I can find it out and I can be pretty certain that this person won't use an IP outside that range.
However I CAN NOT be sure how many or which ID-tags a person might be using. For all I know there can be some dude who found a nice way to create 30 tyotally different ID-tags in one afternoon (disposable email addresses and dynamic IP or even proxies will most certainly do the trick). For me there's no way to see this is the same person, except for analyzing the IP-addresses that have been used in the game. So then why bother with banning an ID-tag in the first place?
Or is the account system going to analyze the used IP's and identify cheaters' accounts automatically? That would save me a lot of work :D
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: jrgp on November 17, 2009, 04:25:13 pm
Since it's hosted on EnEsCe's datacenter and on-line Soldat depends on your login/password, what will happen with Soldat if he just give up maintaining his datacenter and the login system? Will we still be able to play online?

That won't happen. For one thing, several people have full access to Soldat's source code, so if (god forbid) this did happen, other people would be able to revert the dependency and release that version. And another thing, it isn't dependent on his servers' datacenter. There are several it can connect to if a single one fails.

And as for eC "giving up" on maintaining his stuff.... that won't happen. It's just not like his character.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 17, 2009, 07:01:41 pm
disposable email addresses
Apparently EnEsCe has taken care of that problem.

I think you can still ban by IP, but, by default, it'll ban by TagID. You'll have to ask EnEsCe about it.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: -Major- on November 18, 2009, 07:36:42 am
Leagues could requier an reg activated account to join their leagues, if you're caught hacking, your ID will be banned, and to banvade you'd have to pay for an another registration, which I guess few are interested in.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Veritas on November 18, 2009, 07:17:23 pm
disposable email addresses
Apparently EnEsCe has taken care of that problem.
How so?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: demoniac93 on November 20, 2009, 05:45:34 am
You people do realize that hackers nowadays are so ingenious that they WILL break even the registry system even with this being part of it, right?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Toumaz on November 20, 2009, 12:35:42 pm
You people do realize that hackers nowadays are so ingenious that they WILL break even the registry system even with this being part of it, right?
do you realize you have no idea what you're talking about?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 20, 2009, 06:57:51 pm
disposable email addresses
Apparently EnEsCe has taken care of that problem.
How so?
Blacklist. :D
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 20, 2009, 09:07:46 pm
disposable email addresses
Apparently EnEsCe has taken care of that problem.
How so?
Blacklist. :D
Ehh.. I cant see how this takes care of the problem.
So if email gets blacklisted - it's no different from blocking an ID. Hackers will just make a new email account.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: EnEsCe on November 20, 2009, 11:03:22 pm
disposable email addresses
Apparently EnEsCe has taken care of that problem.
How so?
Blacklist. :D
Ehh.. I cant see how this takes care of the problem.
So if email gets blacklisted - it's no different from blocking an ID. Hackers will just make a new email account.
Insert facepalm image here. @domain.tld is blacklisted, not individual addresses.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: de_Naturat on November 21, 2009, 03:37:31 am
disposable email addresses
Apparently EnEsCe has taken care of that problem.
How so?
Blacklist. :D
Ehh.. I cant see how this takes care of the problem.
So if email gets blacklisted - it's no different from blocking an ID. Hackers will just make a new email account.
Insert facepalm image here. @domain.tld is blacklisted, not individual addresses.

plz ban smth like @gmail.com
haha! it's not the fight against hackers - it's agony!
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Mittsu on November 21, 2009, 05:59:35 am
i don't get how blacklisting certain domains is going to solve the problem in any way, i could easily create 10 email acounts just from the most popular domains that you couldn't blacklist.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: EnEsCe on November 21, 2009, 06:39:39 am
You guys seem to be under the impression that the Portal was added specifically to stop hackers. You are sadly mistaken.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Shard on November 21, 2009, 07:29:52 am
I think it was added because you wanted to bring soldat into the next gen style of games such as BF2 and the like. I think it was a mistake to add this. Your taking soldat and making the whole thing overly complicated. We will see when this has been used for a few months, just how many people actually want to keep it. Also if you think that just because you have the source code(alongside others), and your one of the main devs(how many?), so it doesn't matter if people start to hate it, your very wrong. I know you want to do whats best for soldat right? If this is hated, will it be removed?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: EnEsCe on November 21, 2009, 07:58:51 am
It was a joint decision between multiple people and was planned for many months. As I already stated; the Portal is here to stay regardless. All of Michal's games, present(Soldat) and future(Link-dead etc), will be using a joint Account system, Soldat is just the first to have it implemented. It harms nobody, it is not complicated at all (Ticking automatic login is hard hurr durp durp).
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: de_Naturat on November 21, 2009, 08:38:04 am
It was a joint decision between multiple people and was planned for many months. As I already stated; the Portal is here to stay regardless. All of Michal's games, present(Soldat) and future(Link-dead etc), will be using a joint Account system, Soldat is just the first to have it implemented. It harms nobody, it is not complicated at all (Ticking automatic login is hard hurr durp durp).

OK. Does you tell to us the main idea?
Does Michael wants to control everyone who play Soldat? because most players dont need portal.
 :-X attention! they needs all your money! :-X  :o
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 21, 2009, 09:15:50 am
It allows for many features to be incorporated into Soldat. As a scripter and admin of #aus.gather, I can already think of a few ways I can use the Soldat Portal to make playing gathers easier (especially since I have implemented a stats system - I can use the Portal to authenticate users instead of going by their ingame name or their IP address).

Portal may seem a little bare at the moment, but give it time, it'll grow.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: mar77a on November 21, 2009, 10:07:32 am
You could just make an account system on the gather servers if you want to keep track of stats that way.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: CrayAB on November 21, 2009, 12:29:56 pm
Only thing I dont like is the fact that you can't play online without an account.
You can no longer just download ang play the game - instead you'll have to go through all that registration and verification process. Also, if there are problems with Soldat Portal server - everyone will suffer. Are user IDs really worth it?

Soldat Portal is very promising, it gives possibilities for great new features. If only registration was optional - then I'm sure everyone would be happy.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: de_Naturat on November 21, 2009, 03:00:45 pm
Why stop at the registration by mail?
You can scan fingerprint or iris  ;D

seriously: optional registration solves the problems
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Meteorisch on November 21, 2009, 03:01:32 pm
Lolol. Let's all stfu and let the programmers do their work, who cares about a login system, every LIKE EVERY fucking game has it, even website games, so don't cry right now. Don't ask stupid questions neither. Accept it as it is!

@tip of the day
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 21, 2009, 07:39:03 pm
You could just make an account system on the gather servers if you want to keep track of stats that way.
Yes, but it relies on people keeping their ingame name or IP up-to-date, which becomes quite a hassle. Plus, it's easy to impersonate someone with my current methods, which I dislike.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: spag002 on November 23, 2009, 10:19:27 am
Lolol. Let's all stfu and let the programmers do their work ...

Watta you talking about? programmers?
I dont see them here. I see only stupid and greedy people.

Players are asked to fix the netcode some years. Result? We have f*cking portal!
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Shard on November 23, 2009, 04:02:45 pm
Lolol. Let's all stfu and let the programmers do their work ...

Watta you talking about? programmers?
I dont see them here. I see only stupid and greedy people.

Players are asked to fix the netcode some years. Result? We have f*cking portal!
Agreed. Why was this put in before the net code was fixed? TBH I cannot see why this happened. While I accept it is here to stay, I wonder, why was it made before Soldat got the overhaul it needs? Can you explain that?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 23, 2009, 04:38:58 pm
Agreed. Why was this put in before the net code was fixed? TBH I cannot see why this happened. While I accept it is here to stay, I wonder, why was it made before Soldat got the overhaul it needs? Can you explain that?

Because of how Soldat was originally made it's very hard to improve network code without rewriting the rest of the code. At least that's what I heard.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: jrgp on November 23, 2009, 04:55:30 pm
What do you mean "fix the netcode"? I don't see how it is broken. We can play online, right? And besides, there's only so much lag you can prevent with 200+ ping. And you people should really stop ragging on eC to fix bugs since he fixed a shitload with the beta. Go read the changelog.

Watta you talking about? programmers?
I dont see them here. I see only stupid and greedy people.
Players are asked to fix the netcode some years. Result? We have f*cking portal!
How are they greedy? EnEsCe doesn't get paid for his work and the portal doesn't encourage people to register. And I don't see how people working on actual games without using some premade engine can be "stupid." And I'm sure they qualify as programmers too.

:P
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 23, 2009, 06:20:34 pm
What do you mean "fix the netcode"? I don't see how it is broken. We can play online, right? And besides, there's only so much lag you can prevent with 200+ ping. And you people should really stop ragging on eC to fix bugs since he fixed a s**tload with the beta. Go read the changelog.
I think you're forgetting eats, warps and other annoyances which happen quite often even at 100-150 ping.
Though I aggree, even with current netcode Soldat is more than playable.
As for general bugs - there are still a number of minor annoyances like when you try to shoot over a collider and you shoot bursts instead.  Access violations for some people. Sniper line is still effed up on large resolutions. *cough* polybugs *cough*
There's still a number of things to improve - server filters, vote selection, the fugly main menu which is always fixed at 640x480.

But still, I have to aggree that NSC did a good job. He might not have fixed all of the issues we'd hoped, but he still improved Soldat in many other ways. Maybe the problems I mentioned will also be fixed in one of the future versions.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: biohazard on November 23, 2009, 07:05:24 pm
Ima quite sure that neither MM(ofc) or the EnEsCe have not played soldat in their whole lifetime, else they would already be completely tired of "eats" "nade/knife invis" "warps" and several other bugs and would have fixed the netcode to make Soldat a decent game to play online. Lag > skills in 50% of engages, EVEN MORE WITH DEAGLES x.x

Just what i think about.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 23, 2009, 07:25:15 pm
Because of how Soldat was originally made it's very hard to improve network code without rewriting the rest of the code. At least that's what I heard.
Indeed. If EnEsCe was to fix the network issues regarding "eating", he would probably have to write the entire game from scratch, which would take a few years, and may end up with the same or similar kind of network issues we have now (of course, that's less likely if you can identify the problems with the current code, which is probably the result of many things in the code working against each other, and can't be fixed by changing a couple of lines).

Anyway, EnEsCe has done a few things this version that improve bullet registration and server performance, so there should be less "eating" next version.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: spag002 on November 24, 2009, 03:16:04 am
... it's very hard to improve network code without rewriting the rest of the code. ...
oh ... Wait ... I know why people are engaged in nuclear research and launch satellites - it is easier!

and not only the network code. how about polybugs?
But of course there are things more important than.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: echo_trail on November 24, 2009, 04:46:14 am
Seems unfair to expect the level of commitment to soldat to match that of nuclear research, you fucking brat. Now shut up!
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 24, 2009, 05:39:29 am
Especially when those who are working on the research are getting PAID for it.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: STM1993 on November 24, 2009, 05:58:29 am
I'd like to ask NSC:

In the unlikely event that the server that holds our accounts fail, we would not be able to play Soldat online. Will there be a backup or something? What measure are you taking in order to prevent this event from happening?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: EnEsCe on November 24, 2009, 07:42:34 am
In the unlikely event that the server that holds our accounts fail, we would not be able to play Soldat online. Will there be a backup or something? What measure are you taking in order to prevent this event from happening?
Yes, I do plan on having a backup server in a completely different country and completely different datacenter. Currently the Portal database is hosted in Germany on my most reliable machine/network. If the network/hardware does somehow fail, I can redirect everyone to my USA server via DNS. The client/server do not use hard-coded IPs.

As for backups of the actual database; daily, weekly, and monthly snapshots are stored in 3 locations. Locally on the RAID HDDs, a remote dedicated backup server, and directly to the NAS File Server sitting right next to me in this room.

Thanks for asking, hehe.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: spag002 on November 24, 2009, 10:17:26 am
... you f**king brat. Now shut up!
Hey f*ggot! Did i abuse you?

... getting PAID for it.
Tell me: If NSC is so poor, who pays the rent of his countless account/data/(to insert)... servers? God, Satan, someone else?

if he does it ONLY for money - must go to hell! His sponsor is waiting for him  ;D
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: -Major- on November 24, 2009, 10:44:21 am
... you f**king brat. Now shut up!
Hey f*ggot! Did i abuse you?

... getting PAID for it.
Tell me: If NSC is so poor, who pays the rent of his countless account/data/(to insert)... servers? God, Satan, someone else?

if he does it ONLY for money - must go to hell! His sponsor is waiting for him  ;D
I'm sure he doesn't own this enesce host, I totally wonder where he got all these servers from!
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: EnEsCe on November 24, 2009, 10:45:26 am
Tell me: If NSC is so poor, who pays the rent of his countless account/data/(to insert)... servers? God, Satan, someone else?
Erm, they are paid for by the community (http://rent.enesce.com) via rentals.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: spag002 on November 24, 2009, 11:52:48 am
Erm, they are paid for by the community (http://rent.enesce.com) via rentals.
Russia's government also does not steal money...

// omfg he s idiot
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: -Major- on November 24, 2009, 12:32:22 pm
Erm, they are paid for by the community (http://rent.enesce.com) via rentals.
Russia's government also does not steal money...

// omfg he s idiot
LOL, are you retarded? how on earth would enesce steal money from MM, government is quite a bit higher than a small games developer...
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Mittsu on November 24, 2009, 03:27:44 pm
wow spag you're retarded
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: jrgp on November 24, 2009, 03:40:31 pm
spag banned for being a member who posted hacks a few days ago and evaded his ban with more accounts and proxies.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: spag003 on November 25, 2009, 08:54:27 am
LOL, are you retarded? how on earth would enesce steal money from MM, government is quite a bit higher than a small games developer...
Did you hear about metaphor/hyperbola/(other literary techniques)? oligophrenic.

spag banned for being a member who posted hacks a few days ago and evaded his ban with more accounts and proxies.
i'm not upset. (no hacks, only screenshots and links  :P )

2All: yep. Im /b/tarded.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: jrgp on November 25, 2009, 10:25:05 am
LOL, are you retarded? how on earth would enesce steal money from MM, government is quite a bit higher than a small games developer...
Did you hear about metaphor/hyperbola/(other literary techniques)? oligophrenic.

spag banned for being a member who posted hacks a few days ago and evaded his ban with more accounts and proxies.
i'm not upset. (no hacks, only screenshots and links  :P )

2All: yep. Im /b/tarded.

Yeah, I figured you were into 4chan. Let me rephrase my post to use language you might better understand.

The rules explicitily say not to reference hacks. They also say you can't create moar accounts to evade your bans. And posting teaser hacking screenshots is more than enough to permanently ban you forever.

Run along and f**k off now. /b&
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 25, 2009, 03:27:08 pm
disposable email addresses
Apparently EnEsCe has taken care of that problem.
How so?
Blacklist. :D
Ehh.. I cant see how this takes care of the problem.
So if email gets blacklisted - it's no different from blocking an ID. Hackers will just make a new email account.
Insert facepalm image here. @domain.tld is blacklisted, not individual addresses.

Uh, can someone clarify this? Does this mean if some hacker was using a gmail account, the whole @gmail.com would be banned? I'm not so good with this internet knowledge, so some explaining to the more simple people would be great.


You guys seem to be under the impression that the Portal was added specifically to stop hackers. You are sadly mistaken.

Then what exactly does it do? I'm beginning to be more ok with the portal since all the delay was concentrated at the first start of soldat after installing and it runs all smooth after that just like before, but the uses of the portal are a bit confusing and ambiguous me here...

Just dont tell me its some global stats e-penor bullshit. <.<
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: jrgp on November 25, 2009, 03:31:50 pm
numgun, if a hacker was using a specific email service, it'd be manually banned by enesce after review to ensure it isn't something extremely popular like yahoo/gmail/hotmail/etc. But if it's something shady and weird, then he'd probably ban it.

The portal was added mostly by request of MM, since all of his future games will have one just like it.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: -Major- on November 25, 2009, 03:55:34 pm
numgun, if a hacker was using a specific email service, it'd be manually banned by enesce after review to ensure it isn't something extremely popular like yahoo/gmail/hotmail/etc. But if it's something shady and weird, then he'd probably ban it.

The portal was added mostly by request of MM, since all of his future games will have one just like it.
what's the point in banning an email address when you can just use hotmail or gmail instead, don't make me laugh...
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: jrgp on November 25, 2009, 04:15:14 pm
numgun, if a hacker was using a specific email service, it'd be manually banned by enesce after review to ensure it isn't something extremely popular like yahoo/gmail/hotmail/etc. But if it's something shady and weird, then he'd probably ban it.

The portal was added mostly by request of MM, since all of his future games will have one just like it.
what's the point in banning an email address when you can just use hotmail or gmail instead, don't make me laugh...

It weens out the thick hackers who are too dumb to use them, or are banned on them and don't feel like or aren't knowledgeable enough to use proxies.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 25, 2009, 05:09:07 pm
The portal was added mostly by request of MM, since all of his future games will have one just like it.

The question still remains unanswered is what function is the portal supposed to provide? The purpose, what is it?

Surely you dont just put an account system for lulz.
What I see with it is extra control over players within soldat, e-penor top soldat player stats, chatting/detecting friends online in soldat...

...heck, thats all I can think of right now and all of those sound horribly useless or dumb. I'm aware that soldat's source code must be pretty wacky to work with, but could it be considered to fix the everlasting bugs that appear ingame for many versions and years, not to mention trying to optimize the game and trying to make it more stable?

I just hate the fact that I need to tweak atleast 10 minutes with the soldat config and some .ini files just to make it run after each installation because if I dont, soldat will be unplayable thanks to those Access Violation errors that keep getting spammed endlessly, ruining the whole thing until I manage to fix them somehow.

Does anyone else in here have the need to fix things after a clean install before playing soldat is even possible for you? Atleast I do and it sucks.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 25, 2009, 06:22:46 pm
Nope, Soldat works fine for me and always did. I aggree that essential bugfixing and optimisation is more important than new features, but I still think portal is a nice addition.
I find private messaging useful because it is an easy way to contact any player in Soldat. Friends system is also made quite well. Also.. nickname protection? So Portal is in no way dumb or useless.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Splinter-Snake on November 25, 2009, 08:33:19 pm
Lol another big thing added to help hide the bugs. I see where this is going.

Go ahead and delete this post because I'm simply speaking the truth. Disregard it as "trolling" or what not if you want. It won't change the truth.  [pigtail]
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 25, 2009, 09:15:08 pm
If you want bugfixes, report the bugs! Bloody hell...
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 26, 2009, 02:22:12 am
Nope, Soldat works fine for me and always did. I aggree that essential bugfixing and optimisation is more important than new features, but I still think portal is a nice addition.
I find private messaging useful because it is an easy way to contact any player in Soldat. Friends system is also made quite well. Also.. nickname protection? So Portal is in no way dumb or useless.

If I want to PM with soldat friends I do it with a chat program and there are over 9000 of those out there. IRC, MSN, Yahoo, Forums and thats only the start.
Soldat is a game afaik, not a chat client.

And I have absolutely NEVER EVER seen anyone require to protect their nick name.
Heck, I have NOT ever had to protect MY own nick name. Have YOU ever needed to protect your nickname in a fast paced online shooter where all matter that you or your team wins? I highly doubt it. If some asshole was trolling you once by stealing your ingame nick name, then kick his ass, mute him or join another server.
Assholes will always exist to ruin your party, and they will always find a way to troll you anyway.

@SpiltCoffee: They have been pointed out a million times and everyone is aware of them and they are commonly present ingame constantly. Its just a matter having the balls to do some serious work in fixing the game instead of dicking around with new almost useless features.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 26, 2009, 07:31:46 am
They have been pointed out a million times and everyone is aware of them and they are commonly present ingame constantly.
If that's the case, then they should be on the bug tracker. It's too hard to track the bugs and fix them, otherwise.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: biohazard on November 26, 2009, 07:41:15 am
They have been pointed out a million times and everyone is aware of them and they are commonly present ingame constantly.
If that's the case, then they should be on the bug tracker. It's too hard to track the bugs and fix them, otherwise.

our little white-guy deleted all old reports on mantis...
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 26, 2009, 09:29:58 am
No he didn't. You just have the Soldat 1.5.1 Beta project selected. Change it to All Projects to see the older bug reports.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: biohazard on November 26, 2009, 09:55:50 am
Dunno if this happen only with me, but i cant find anything older than the issue 188, ak: crouchbug and stuff...
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: spag001 on November 26, 2009, 11:50:56 am
hehe... im not alone  :D

Spam. Warn.
 
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 26, 2009, 12:57:53 pm
If I want to PM with soldat friends I do it with a chat program and there are over 9000 of those out there. IRC, MSN, Yahoo, Forums and thats only the start.
Soldat is a game afaik, not a chat client.

Like I've said somewhere before (multiple times) - not everyone uses the same client. I don't want to have MSN, IRC, XFire and a crapload of other clients installed just because one or two of my friends are using them.
With Portal if you and your friends have Soldat - you all already have a way of contacting each other without any additional apps.

And I have absolutely NEVER EVER seen anyone require to protect their nick name.
Heck, I have NOT ever had to protect MY own nick name. Have YOU ever needed to protect your nickname in a fast paced online shooter where all matter that you or your team wins? I highly doubt it. If some asshole was trolling you once by stealing your ingame nick name, then kick his ass, mute him or join another server.
Assholes will always exist to ruin your party, and they will always find a way to troll you anyway.
True, I never really had to protect my nickname. On the other hand - it is possible that some random noob would find out the name of your clan leader, sign in with exact same name and do.. nasty stuff. Better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: biohazard on November 26, 2009, 04:23:58 pm
my auth on quakenet.org is BIOHAZARD too, always i want to use this exact nick, i hate to ask some1 to lemme to use that. Actually nowdays, a guy is using a BNC with that... anyway he dont understand that i own the auth... so... yeh... i like the nick protection.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Dusty on November 26, 2009, 05:36:04 pm
You think you own the nick because you have the auth? You ask the person having the nick to give it "back"?

lulz maybe you should -- uh, nevermind.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: biohazard on November 26, 2009, 05:40:21 pm
that is my nick, but i cannot say "i am biohazard, fear me" as do in real life when i try to kiss a girl, cuz the quakenet just dont protect the nick. Anyway, i got that auth for half a decade there. So yes, i think i would own the nick.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Dusty on November 26, 2009, 05:47:06 pm
That's just hilarious oh my oh.

Not. Protecting "your" nick is as useless as protecting a seat in a public bus. If your mates can't notice the differences between you and ze other guy you probably should find a tad more intelligent company...
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: jrgp on November 26, 2009, 06:30:49 pm
Change your nick to something unique. Not that big of a deal.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: The Geologist on November 26, 2009, 10:28:21 pm
but i cannot say "i am biohazard, fear me" as do in real life when i try to kiss a girl

 ???

Alright..at first I hated the portal.  But I'm getting used to it.  Not saying I like it, but I have yet to experience any problems.  In my limited trial.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: jrgp on November 26, 2009, 11:27:13 pm
that is my nick, but i cannot say "i am biohazard, fear me" as do in real life when i try to kiss a girl
Unless she was ignorant and thought chemistry was cool,..wouldn't that scare her off?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 27, 2009, 03:50:22 am
If I want to PM with soldat friends I do it with a chat program and there are over 9000 of those out there. IRC, MSN, Yahoo, Forums and thats only the start.
Soldat is a game afaik, not a chat client.

Like I've said somewhere before (multiple times) - not everyone uses the same client. I don't want to have MSN, IRC, XFire and a crapload of other clients installed just because one or two of my friends are using them.
With Portal if you and your friends have Soldat - you all already have a way of contacting each other without any additional apps.

Soldat just happens to become that additional app. And I doubt all your friends play soldat anyways so you are bound to install as many messengers or visit as many forums as necesary to chat with them when needed. And agreeing or forcing anyone to use just one client will NOT work since everyone has their own network of friends and I am SURE that most of them dont even play soldat to begin with and prefer to use certain chat programs instead of ones you might like.


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And I have absolutely NEVER EVER seen anyone require to protect their nick name.
Heck, I have NOT ever had to protect MY own nick name. Have YOU ever needed to protect your nickname in a fast paced online shooter where all matter that you or your team wins? I highly doubt it. If some asshole was trolling you once by stealing your ingame nick name, then kick his ass, mute him or join another server.
Assholes will always exist to ruin your party, and they will always find a way to troll you anyway.
True, I never really had to protect my nickname. On the other hand - it is possible that some random noob would find out the name of your clan leader, sign in with exact same name and do.. nasty stuff. Better safe than sorry.

There are a thousand and one methods of trolling even if the nick protection would be present. Trolls live to troll the shit out of you and you cant help it in anyway.
If a man is angry and wants to achieve something, he will do anything no matter what obstacles are in the way. Simply put: Where theres a trolls will, theres a trolls way. You can never prevent this crap that others do, the most you can do is not be an asshole yourself and encourage others to be more respecting towards each other while doing what you want, but now I'm going a bit offtopic here.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Shard on November 27, 2009, 10:05:27 am
Ok, so basically, people want to find each other in soldat, and portal helps do that? I don't see why its necessary when people could just use the chat system that was in 1.5. Sure, no one used it, but hey, thats what it was for right? I also agree, why the hell would you want to chat with soldat?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: biohazard on November 27, 2009, 10:37:21 am
What i would like is a gather system on soldat interface...
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Illuminatus on November 27, 2009, 02:22:12 pm
one question to all you haters: in which way does soldat portal bother you if you don't use it and play soldat as always?

(not allowed:
- "focus on fixing bugs instead of adding new features"
- "increasing filesize of soldatinstaller"
- "useless"
- "I can chat with other tools"
- "there is battleye against hax, why need registration?"
- "who cares about nickname-protection?"
- "killing the retro-shit")
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 27, 2009, 03:12:59 pm
Soldat just happens to become that additional app. And I doubt all your friends play soldat anyways so you are bound to install as many messengers or visit as many forums as necesary to chat with them when needed. And agreeing or forcing anyone to use just one client will NOT work since everyone has their own network of friends and I am SURE that most of them dont even play soldat to begin with and prefer to use certain chat programs instead of ones you might like.
Just chatting and finding people to play Soldat with are different things. Again: if you have Soldat - you dont have to force anyone to use specific clients, because a lot can already be done through portal.

Personally, I barely even use MSN or ICQ. I'm only on there so that others could contact me if for some reason they need to, and I have absolutely no intention of installing more clients. Some people don't even use any clients at all, so there's no guarantee you can find someone you need even if you have 9000 other chatting apps installed.
Portal ensures that every Soldat player can contact each other. Other clients are just general chatting programs (except xfire, but there are reasons why some people don't like it either), they are not much different from each other and are not focused specifically on Soldat players' needs.


-----------
However I have to agree with your point about Nick Protection feature. :S
What about clan tag protection? How does that idea sound?


Illuminatus
Sounds like it should be made into a poll. Except "useless" isn't a good option. If someone wants to state their opinion - they should say something more than just "useless".
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 27, 2009, 05:29:31 pm
@: L[0ne]R

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finding people to play Soldat with

This idea is a good one, but its a 2-sided thing.
If the portal only allows to contact individual players, then this might only work for finding a 1 on 1 match, but that has its problems in finding an empty and quiet server since if either of the casual players will host it from their machine, it will lead to problems that the server may not be a stable one like those dedicated servers out there and the owner will have an advantage over the opponent due to lag and instability mostly.

However if the portal allows for a group chat like that irc thing in 1.5 where players can all gather in one place and then pick a partner(s) to play with then thats cool.

But do note that screwing around with finding people to play with on a chat area will be obsolete since its much easier to set the server search to find a server with the desired filters and you're already playing against human opponents on a dedicated server. No hassle and very fast and it delivers all it needs to.

It might also be the very reason why no one is using the irc chat in 1.5 which is pretty much what the "finding dudes to play with" deal is about. It actually already exists, but its redundant due to the fact its just easier to pick a random server with best values, put your brains on a shelf and go kick some ass.

As for anyone seeking for something more advanced, the gathers, competitions and leagues are there to supply that with their own systems.



@: Illuminatus

These:
- "focus on fixing bugs instead of adding new features"
- "useless"
- "I can chat with other tools"
- "there is battleye against hax, why need registration?"
- "who cares about nickname-protection?"

That file size thing has got to be joke heheh. : )
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 27, 2009, 06:44:22 pm
You haven't answered Illuminatus's question, numgun. He ruled out those reasons because they don't apply to his question.

I'd like to know what people would answer to your question, too, Illuminatus. I mean, we all know people are crying for bugfixes (although it still perplexes me why they aren't then playing the beta), but Soldat could do with a couple of new features, and Portal seems to deliver so far, especially because it can be built upon.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Furai on November 28, 2009, 03:40:00 am
I think that Soldat Portal is new big step in soldat gaming and I like it and give to it BIG F12. I was always up to some account system. (Sorry if this post stick out a little but I didn't feel like skimming through whole topic since I wasn't here for at least month.)
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Mercury92 on November 28, 2009, 06:03:37 am
Because Battleye is WEAK!
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Fubister on November 28, 2009, 06:08:27 am
I like this Portal thingy, you can always have a look on there to see any news that are going on related to soldat, instead of surfing threw soldat pages or so.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 28, 2009, 07:13:40 am
You haven't answered Illuminatus's question, numgun. He ruled out those reasons because they don't apply to his question.

Oh, whoops.

Besides all those reason mentioned above, a couple more things:
-Giving out personal information and your email address.
-Having to hassle with email activation after an installation.
-Not to mention if you're on a computer that you use with another person, you will also have to LOG IN everytime you want to play.
-It wont remove hacking nor trolling even its pretending to.
-Admins may abuse the banning powers
-And they can actually invalidate/ban the reg key you bought with your hard earned money. I know its written in the licence agreement, but banning a reg key? Fuck off.
Not to mention a troll can exploit this system and cause an admin to ban you when you even were not hacking.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: SpiltCoffee on November 28, 2009, 08:51:16 am
-It wont remove hacking nor trolling even its pretending to.
It's not pretending to. As EnEsCe said earlier, if you thought this was, in any way, an attempt to stop hackers, you are mistaken.

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-Admins may abuse the banning powers
Er... I don't see how the introduction of the Portal will make server admins start banning everyone because they looked at them funny...

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-And they can actually invalidate/ban the reg key you bought with your hard earned money. I know its written in the licence agreement, but banning a reg key? f**k off.
EnEsCe has been doing that for ages. He doesn't need the Portal to do that.

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-Not to mention a troll can exploit this system and cause an admin to ban you when you even were not hacking.
How? If the troll gets banned, you won't, because your TagID will be different.

The first two points, however, are valid, and it is a bit strange that you have to give your birthday and what gender you are... Any reasons, EnEsCe?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: -Major- on November 28, 2009, 08:52:21 am
this is just another thread people post in to post... lock? :D
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: EnEsCe on November 28, 2009, 09:42:15 am
The first two points, however, are valid, and it is a bit strange that you have to give your birthday and what gender you are... Any reasons, EnEsCe?
They are for Statistics, besides the fact that its general profile information you'd provide to any other registration form. The same reason every forum you register to asks for your Birthday and Gender. Be thankful it doesn't ask for your real name, address, time zone, annual income, hobbies, and your sisters phone number.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: NordOst on November 28, 2009, 12:11:12 pm
Way I see it, if you're not comfortable giving out your date of birth, don't do it. Enter a date that isn't when you were born. Problem solved.

I don't have strong feelings towards the portal one way or another. It takes an extra 1-2 minutes *once*, after that, it's back the the instant gratification we all know and love. If you can't spare 120 seconds of your life, you probably shouldn't be playing games, or you're honestly just lazy.
And if it's information you're worried about? you're paranoid. I think the main reason why people are against it, is because it's *different* from what they're used to, and people generally react poorly to a change in the status quo. It's new and scary! Once it's been in place for a little while people get used to it, all the needless posturing subsides and then it's back to questioning the sexual preferences of your opponents as usual.

Though, if there were some way to tie you portal account to your forum account, that would be pretty cool. Might encourage folks like me who aren't very clannish to participate in the community more actively. Hell, I've been playing on-and-off since 1.2, and I'm *just now* getting around to being social here. I guess I never really felt the need to since I'm a deathmatch junkie. [retard]

Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 28, 2009, 12:12:02 pm
Be thankful it doesn't ask for your real name, address, time zone, annual income, hobbies, and your sisters phone number.

This kind of talk makes me want to shove a large rusty iron rod deep up your ass after beating you up with it to death.
Followed by messy decapitation and burning.

Statistics or not, they cant be reliable in this case since the user may type anything he wants to and no one will be able to check in the end and its still redundant to collect this information anyways since soldat is just a freeware shooter that people love to play and not bother about anything else. Not to mention that once you have those statistics, they will either decorate your documents folders or you can put them up as public e-penor info to flash it around like a womens magazine serving absolutely no purpose what so ever.

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-Not to mention a troll can exploit this system and cause an admin to ban you when you even were not hacking.
How? If the troll gets banned, you won't, because your TagID will be different.

As an example, imagine this:
During a game someone gets pissed of at someone else and he has an admins respect or they just know each other by whatever means or hell, the hater doesn't even need to be related with the admin, but if he does he has a better chance at pulling it off. Anyways.

The hater gets pissed off and wants his opponent fucked so he whines to the admin how much he sucks and needs to get banned and he can claim a couple of reason he can come up with even if they down apply to the opponent. If the hater knows the admin a bit more closer than his opponent, he can use that by using his "buddy talk" or wily charms to make the admin do the dirty work. If the hater succeeds and the opponent fails to defend himself, HE GETS BANNED FOR NOTHING.

And afterwards trying to convince that he was innocent can prove difficult.
Similar situations have happened to me and this is no joke.
If the troll is smart enough, he can fuck you up really good by using this exploit or anything that resembles this.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: NordOst on November 28, 2009, 12:16:18 pm
Be thankful it doesn't ask for your real name, address, time zone, annual income, hobbies, and your sisters phone number.

This kind of talk makes me want to shove a large rusty iron rod deep up your ass after beating you up with it to death.
Followed by messy decapitation and burning.

Statistics or not, they cant be reliable in this case since the user may type anything he wants to and no one will be able to check in the end and its still redundant to collect this information anyways since soldat is just a freeware shooter that people love to play and not bother about anything else. Not to mention that once you have those statistics, they will either decorate your documents folders or you can put them up as public e-penor info to flash it around like a womens magazine serving absolutely no purpose what so ever.

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-Not to mention a troll can exploit this system and cause an admin to ban you when you even were not hacking.
How? If the troll gets banned, you won't, because your TagID will be different.

As an example, imagine this:
During a game someone gets pissed of at someone else and he has an admins respect or they just know each other by whatever means or hell, the hater doesn't even need to be related with the admin, but if he does he has a better chance at pulling it off. Anyways.

The hater gets pissed off and wants his opponent f**ked so he whines to the admin how much he sucks and needs to get banned and he can claim a couple of reason he can come up with even if they down apply to the opponent. If the hater knows the admin a bit more closer than his opponent, he can use that by using his "buddy talk" or wily charms to make the admin do the dirty work. If the hater succeeds and the opponent fails to defend himself, HE GETS BANNED FOR NOTHING.

And afterwards trying to convince that he was innocent can prove difficult.
Similar situations have happened to me and this is no joke.
If the troll is smart enough, he can f**k you up really good by using this exploit or anything that resembles this.

Does that happen on the forums here? I dunno. I've never seen that sort of thing happen in any other game, or at the very least I'm not a loud and surly enough figure to even be noticed for this to happen to me.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 28, 2009, 03:17:59 pm
The hater gets pissed off and wants his opponent f**ked so he whines to the admin how much he sucks and needs to get banned and he can claim a couple of reason he can come up with even if they down apply to the opponent. If the hater knows the admin a bit more closer than his opponent, he can use that by using his "buddy talk" or wily charms to make the admin do the dirty work. If the hater succeeds and the opponent fails to defend himself, HE GETS BANNED FOR NOTHING.

And afterwards trying to convince that he was innocent can prove difficult.
Similar situations have happened to me and this is no joke.
If the troll is smart enough, he can f**k you up really good by using this exploit or anything that resembles this.
If not TagID - that "hater" could ask admin to ban your nickname and IP. So TagID or not - doesn't make much of a difference. Like you said yourself - Assholes will always exist to ruin your party, and they will always find a way to troll you anyway.

Statistics or not, they cant be reliable in this case since the user may type anything he wants to and no one will be able to check in the end and its still redundant to collect this information anyways since soldat is just a freeware shooter that people love to play and not bother about anything else. Not to mention that once you have those statistics, they will either decorate your documents folders or you can put them up as public e-penor info to flash it around like a womens magazine serving absolutely no purpose what so ever.
Good point.
However.. I know how to put them to use. How about having some kind of birthday bonuses, like rainbow jets or a birthday hat? ;D
Though I'm probably the only one who fails at life so much as to celebrate b-day by playing Soldat.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: numgun on November 28, 2009, 04:02:48 pm
Though I'm probably the only one who fails at life so much as to celebrate b-day by playing Soldat.

Oh cmon, that is not failing in life at all. Instead you're doing it right. Enjoying yourself.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Illuminatus on November 28, 2009, 04:40:34 pm
They are for Statistics

if you're not comfortable giving out your date of birth, don't do it. Enter a date that isn't when you were born. Problem solved.

That's what happens if you force people to give information they don't want to publish. You will falsify the statistics. (I faked my birthday in Soldat too.)
By making it optional:
- players who wants to provide their personal infos will fill in valid data
- the others leave it out
--> you'll get valid statistics.

And btw: You don't need to fill in your birthday and gender on public forums/boards.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: L[0ne]R on November 28, 2009, 05:08:34 pm
And btw: You don't need to fill in your birthday and gender on public forums/boards.
Actually, you do on some forums. Sometimes it's optional, sometimes not. But I agree that in Soldat's case it should be optional.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: PopeJohnPaul_II on December 01, 2009, 01:22:54 am
I'd rather take a more philosophical view on the importance, severity, and consequences of said Soldat Portal.

On the pros:
 - It might give players means to interact in ways never before experienced, except, perhaps, in the notty dreams of real life Soldaten!
 - It glorifies EnEsCe to some, after all, he is our savior!

As for the inevitable cons:
 - It hoards the cries of the noobs all into one "channel" if you will. These cries are directed at enensce, and in term, but to a much lesser extent, to the big man himself, MM, who of course does not deserve any of it, since he has created such an awesome, jaw-raising, game as this, but I digress ---
 - If all of eC's magical redundant servers go down (god can be one ugly mother fucker at times, he's always YELLING at me), ALL of Soldat's online play will be left in utter darkness.  :'(
 - It, as had been said, does not control hackers.

I believe, that removing SoldatPortal now would be a waste of EnEsCe's time put towards developing it, but from a practicality standpoint, it should, never, ever have been created, as that just puts more shame on enesce's image, which is already bad enough due to his ex-hax days (which I shouldn't mention, but I digress)

10/10/+9

Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Furai on December 01, 2009, 04:19:49 am
Yesterday, I was testing 1.5.1 and I found it quite annoying that you can only PM you friends via portal. So soldat chat is dead once and for all?
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: JayX4 on December 01, 2009, 06:29:25 am
I think it's a great adaption to an already great game :). Now if the 1.5.1a Servers were a mere more populated.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Ouchek on December 01, 2009, 08:01:25 am
So...this basically means you have control over people playing, you can decide whether they can play or not.
This is the worst change in the history, I mean if at least the community trusted you, but we all know that if you go emo you'll start banning people for no reason like you DID a couple of monthes ago or so...
As a part of the active gaming community I really do hope people will boycott that crap and get back to the good versions made by mm.
Title: Re: Is Soldat Portal Necessary?
Post by: Furai on December 04, 2009, 09:34:46 am
[BOYCOTT]
So...this basically means you have control over people playing, you can decide whether they can play or not.
This is the worst change in the history, I mean if at least the community trusted you, but we all know that if you go emo you'll start banning people for no reason like you DID a couple of monthes ago or so...
As a part of the active gaming community I really do hope people will boycott that crap and get back to the good versions made by mm.
[/BOYCOTT]
Everything which needed boycotting is now boycotted.