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Official Content => News => Topic started by: Michal Marcinkowski on April 18, 2010, 02:38:52 pm
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The time has come when I have to announce it. You might remember Sable talking about getting payed for BattlEye like a year ago. Back then his idea was to charge server owners. After some discussions and discussions in private we came to a secret agreement. For half a year I was paying for Soldat's anti-cheat solution for the benefit of all. Sable is doing business with BattlEye and as everyone wants to get payed for his work. This month the price has been raised and I can no longer afford to pay it from my own pocket. The fact is Soldat is a free game and I had to pay for it from the money registered players gave me. So big thanks to them for helping Soldat! Unfortunately the sales are not increasing and the costs are rising. I am also paying for the Soldat sites and lobby server hosting and I need to survive somehow, cause making games is the only thing I do currently.
The point is BattlEye from the next month will be shutdown... unless you the Soldat Community find a solution. Right now it will be 200€/month that is needed for maintaining BE.
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well that sucks innit
Edit: if nsc shows up and doesnt ragequit because of this, i guess i could pay 10e a month for this. Just need 19 more people who can sacrifice a subway meal for this game, and we're cool.
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I feel bad for you, son.
The alternative post would have been:
you should demand the motherfucker who made BE to send you all of that money you paid back RIGHT NOW!
but that would have been silly, wouldn't it?
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Unfortunately, this is how life is sometimes. By the way, good luck on business for LD once you get to that point.
An idea for a possible solution:
Soldat Server hosters pay something around 2€/mo (or services paying something like 20€/mo for any number of servers or something) to allow BE, or live with BE being disabled on their servers. The client's BE will be on/off depending on if the server has BE enabled or disabled. Just a rough quick idea, and is up for discussion.
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Delete BattlEye from Soldat.
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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA <3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 [pigtail] [pigtail] [pigtail] [pigtail] :'( :'( :-\ :-X ??? >:( :) ::)
-- edit: warned up the ass -jrgp
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make a donate page, where there's a monthly limit to be reached, if you go above the needed donations limit you just simply save it for next month if you can't get enough donations etc etc.
if this doesn't work out, then I guess it's bai bai to BE :/
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What the heck ? BE can't be removed, it will destroy the game with all these hacks around. This MUST be solved through donations.
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well that sucks innit
Edit: if nsc shows up and doesnt ragequit because of this, i guess i could pay 10e a month for this. Just need 19 more people who can sacrifice a subway meal for this game, and we're cool.
I wouldn't mind to chip in, but I guess the problem is that how do you get all these guys to donate the sum every month without a fail.
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well that sucks innit
Edit: if nsc shows up and doesnt ragequit because of this, i guess i could pay 10e a month for this. Just need 19 more people who can sacrifice a subway meal for this game, and we're cool.
I wouldn't mind to chip in, but I guess the problem is that how do you get all these guys to donate the sum every month without a fail.
which is why you have a donation open for everyone.
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200€/month. o.O
Seems like BattlEye was effective while blocking hundreds of hacks, still not 100%.
By removing BattlEye it would be disaster.
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Hahahahaha! I knew it. I SO FREAKING KNEW IT!!!
:D
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Hahahahaha! I knew it. I SO FREAKING KNEW IT!!!
:D
Your comment isn't a solution.
douchebag.
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I cou
well that sucks innit
Edit: if nsc shows up and doesnt ragequit because of this, i guess i could pay 10e a month for this. Just need 19 more people who can sacrifice a subway meal for this game, and we're cool.
So could I, I still remember soldat 1.2.1 with that awesome amount of cheaters (I tried them too =( )
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BE is a great tool that's slowed a slew of hackers over the past few years, but I'd chill out with the disaster talk. Soldat has always had hackers, and we survived just fine before BE ever entered the picture. It'll require a little more diligence on the part of server and league admins, but I think that we'll pull through without triggering Armageddon. Who knows, maybe EnEsCe will turn his attention to anti-cheat with this news and we'll get something more reliable than BE out of the whole thing.
Regardless, thanks, Sable, for all of the time and work that you put into BE while it lasted, and thanks for all of the personal help that you've given to me and the other SCTFL admins over the years. It's been much appreciated.
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sad history ;/
But, if one guy can make an another anti-cheat, this is eC... btw i think many ppl knows who even started with soldat cheats.
Please, i cant stop playing Soldat after all.
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Yeah, only guy who can make decent anticheat is hacker itself.
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Yeah, only guy who can make decent anticheat is hacker itself.
If anything that means he has an advantage, considering he knows the methods they use. :P
@topic: It'd be nice if the community all pitched in. 200 euros isn't very much considering we've got thousands of members. I think we could get it paid monthly.
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man man man :/ yeehaaa just for sctfl great news! Maybe donations should be opened to keep BE going for the time being and a team put together to create a group to produce some alternative anti-cheat program? I'm sure we can find soldat lovers who are capable of such feats...
Btw for the time being is BE completely offline?? Or just no more updates?
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Btw for the time being is BE completely offline?? Or just no more updates?
The point is BattlEye from the next month will be shutdown... unless you the Soldat Community find a solution. Right now it will be 200€/month that is needed for maintaining BE.
The ^article^ says it's gone next month.
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Soldat has always had hackers, and we survived just fine before BE ever entered the picture.
I wouldn't say so. I remember very well when even on good popular servers with decent admins I saw at least 1 hacker almost every day. I'm afraid to imagine how many there were while I wasn't playing. After BattlEye was integrated - there were times when I haven't seen a single hacker in months.
Too bad about BattlEye. It's scary to think that Soldat will go back to that hax chaos that was back then. As for donations - I doubt they'll work. They almost never do, not for long at least. And in case of Soldat - there's a very little flow of new players, so even if we manage to get enough people to donate enough money - eventually people will start to lose interest and stop donating, and after a short time we'll face this exact problem again.
Pubbers are who really need anti-cheats since they can't always rely on admins or votekicks to do the job. But you can't expect random pubbers to donate. Those who truly support Soldat are mostly competitive players who play in gathers and leagues. However they already have something better than anti-cheat - they have admins who take their job very seriously, demos are often recorded, so if someone was suspected in cheating - it won't be hard to find out the truth. I doubt they'll miss BattlEye much.
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How's THIS (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=37839.0) for a solution?
As well as expanding the dev team to more than one person. There never was a good enough reason to have only one person working on the game, and there still isn't, especially now.
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For me soldat with battle eye has came to a stage where people no longer want to cheat in soldat. They preffer counting on lags and luck. Sure hacking is possible but nobody hacks today. Removing battle eye will unleash the great noob cheating machine. Removing BE will cause servers to have more sub admins.
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BE is a great tool that's slowed a slew of hackers over the past few years, but I'd chill out with the disaster talk. Soldat has always had hackers, and we survived just fine before BE ever entered the picture. It'll require a little more diligence on the part of server and league admins, but I think that we'll pull through without triggering Armageddon.
i dont want to spend my whole day catching hackers on my servers you know. And sometimes the only way to get rid of a hacker with a dynamic IP is to rangeban, which would result in banning a lot of innocent people <.< So can't see "having admins" as a good enough excuse for not having BE
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2 possible solutions:
1. We go back to the original proposal by $able, and server owners pay a fee for BattlEye to be put onto their servers.
2. MM seems to be only announcing this because the fees have gone up. He might be able to still pay for part of it, so maybe he could try asking for donations for half of the total fee?
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More than 60% of dedicated servers are not gonna pay fee.
Soldat would just die too quickly and will get unpopular.
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I'd be ok with paying a fee to use BattlEye. The servers down in Australia are dirt cheap at the moment, so it wouldn't be too bad, actually (for us, at least).
I think the only people who wouldn't wanna pay a fee would be people running a server on their home computer (quite obviously, they don't wanna pay for hosting in the first place, so oh well).
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Yeah. It would become more cheaper to rent host than to run dedicated server from home.
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I see 3 solutions right now if we want to keep BE:
1. Make Soldat pay-for-play
2. Make a wikipedia style donation with a gauge and limit for 200€. If the limit is reached we get a month of BE, if not we wait until it is reached
3. Get a sponsor
4. Server owners pay fee.
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Definitely not 1. It'd kill Soldat. Soldat is played by a lot of young people who couldn't necessarily pay to play, even if they wanted to.
Donation is a good idea, as already obvious from this topic there definitely are people willing to sacrifice that one beer or subway meal to keep BE alive.
Getting a sponsor would be the best I think, but I guess the issue is where to get one, and what would the sponsor get in return (ads in site/forums/game?)
I wouldn't mind paying a fee for having BE enabled on my own servers, as long as it's per-IP, and not per-soldatserver, because at least I host servers for free and I don't really want to pay for every server I host when I don't make any profit from them.
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(http://666kb.com/i/bihpcia77rxskgi9n.jpg)
Sponsor !
<3 google images. paypal could have been a bit more skewed but I'm a photoshop noob :S
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tried with 200 euro note but a) it's not as easily recognisable as the 20 euro note and b) it's yellow i.e. harder to make out the 200 in that size.
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I am with ramirez on this one, I also host a lot of servers and dont make anything at all from it. however what I would want too see is a sliding scale of the fee and with a sliding scale of protection like from say 50-200 euro with 50 euro giving generic anticheat and 200 giving full protection. And I think even sable will think that makeing some money out of it is better then nothing at all.
Or haveing a batteye premium program so that hosts who pay a fee gets the full protection but that you always get a basic protection with say generic anti cheat.
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Soldat is dying already and making it p2p, well you know better what will happen.
Donatations can work out but not for a long time.
But still we can try it.
Sponsor. Yeah, good idea but who is gonna to be it.
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Valve?
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Lets wait for jesus to donate us 2400 euros for a year of BE
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2, 3 and 4 are possible solutions.
most preferable getting a sponsor, but that can be hard to find a sponsor (could probably try some gaming equipment company), however, the cost is very small, so the price wouldn't be a problem for any sponsor.
setting a fee per ip might not work out too well, since we got huge huge server providers like selfkill (having to pay like 1euro a month for hosting 1000 servers isn't very fair), and we got people like zakath and ramirez, who make next to nothing from their servers. surely if he cost was as low as 1 euro a month it would be possible for non profitable server hosters but the amount of money wouldn't be reached.
unless you make some kind of package based priceing, like 0-10 servers = 1 euro, 10-20 = 2 euro and so forth.
To take donations is "risky", since you might not reach the monthly fee every month, and since BE is not something like electricity deliverers, one missed month might screw it up for the next month (since BE needs on-going updates).
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2, 3 and 4 are possible solutions.
most preferable getting a sponsor, but that can be hard to find a sponsor (could probably try some gaming equipment company), however, the cost is very small, so the price wouldn't be a problem for any sponsor.
setting a fee per ip might not work out too well, since we got huge huge server providers like selfkill (having to pay like 1euro a month for hosting 1000 servers isn't very fair), and we got people like zakath and ramirez, who make next to nothing from their servers. surely if he cost was as low as 1 euro a month it would be possible for non profitable server hosters but the amount of money wouldn't be reached.
unless you make some kind of package based priceing, like 0-10 servers = 1 euro, 10-20 = 2 euro and so forth.
To take donations is "risky", since you might not reach the monthly fee every month, and since BE is not something like electricity deliverers, one missed month might screw it up for the next month (since BE needs on-going updates).
I would rather have something like Major is saying that you say have a registry file or something with guid or such identifying a account for the server instead of haveing it per ip.
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Either way, if nothing else works, I'd much rather turn BE into an optional component that can be paid for per-server. That way we can at least still support BE on leagues such as SCTFL (we'd just have a requirement that a server must have BE installed for it to be used in league matches).
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Well I'd cough up a few bucks even if donations only are a temporary solution. The $12 I've paid for thousands of hours of fun always felt a bit underpriced to me anyway.
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Server owners that want BE pay fee, others don't. Easiest and most fair way as I see it. I would definitely pay a fee to have BE protect my servers.
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The truth is that Soldat really dying is (I'm sure I don't need to explain you why). I'm afraid what's worse, if eats/lags OR getting haxz0rd.
In case of solutions:
People who will donate to Soldat cause of BattlEye will get bored and they will quit it.
Sponsor would be fine, even I'm sure that it's hard to find some.
Best solution probably would be some donations from server hosters - who want's it -> he should pay for it.
Anyway, now it's hard to detect some "higher dmg" hacks (or these kinds) since Soldat eats/lags seriously a lot. And since harder detectable hacks are those, who affect only binks/aiming/and so, I'm sure that eatings/lags/warpings always win in this case. Normal person can see usage of someone's aimbot, since aimbot ain't that perfect and aim's only in front of character, where he is probably going, very often badly. As ages of hacking have past, I think that people will not hack that much, so anticheat would be only good in some serious matches or leagues.
P.S.: Soldat is dying -> People rather play newer games like sh*tty Crysis, or they ragequit cause of eats/lags, which come eventually with newer and newer versions of Soldat. Golden 1.3.1.
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Seriously now. The only viable solutions that would not force people to quit or pay for something they shouldn't have to worry about would be:
a) Sponsorship. With a few K player userbase, finding a sponsor shouldn't be that hard. Has MM or anybody else looked into that yet? 200 euros is a joke of an amount for _any_ spyware/adware you might like to add
b) Open soldat's code to the public: An opensource version of BE might emerge or something that would make it safer (i'm no programmer, just talking out of my ass on this one)
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I see 3 solutions right now if we want to keep BE:
1. Make Soldat pay-for-play
2. Make a wikipedia style donation with a gauge and limit for 200€. If the limit is reached we get a month of BE, if not we wait until it is reached
3. Get a sponsor
4. Server owners pay fee.
5. Account system + decent server admins = no cheaters
6. Switch to another protection system ((maybe cheaper?)something along the lines of hackshield/gameguard suitable for Soldat - before someone says "theres bypasses for those" let me just admit that there is no 100% safe anti-cheat for multiplayer games)
7. Do something to prevent other apps accessing Soldat memory (Soldat autoquits when this occurs - possible, but lots and lots and lots of work to prevent such memory changes (hell, BE did this "sometimes"))
Open-Source - by looking on the players, there would be more exploits than actual fixes
fix me if I'm wrong please
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Hacking has been fought for years and if hackers are few among thousands players is because BE, not because hacking desire has vanished...
BattleEye has to be paid even if I'd like to remove it at all from Soldat in exchange of a new anticheat system (developed by Enesce? not probable and I think it's a way better having enesce improving soldat network core, adding new features and correct bugs).
The solution imho is a combinations of all:
1) Search for 1+ Sponsor(s)
2) http://www.text-link-ads.com -> they pay 20 euro/month for each link on someone site (the pretty hard thing is reaching a visit amount and ranking status to get links, but shouldn't be a problem for soldat.pl site)
3) Google AdSense or Yahoo Publisher? They're both compatible with TLA.com
4) Donations:
a) Credits Cards and Paypal etc
b) http://www.onebip.com -> donations through cell phone. many solday players are under <totyearoldtogetacreditcard> but have cell phone.
Each month surplus money are left for other months.
If a combination of this will not work out let's remove BE and let's play on gather/tournaments servers only.
$able does only want 200$ a month per developer? What about other payment combinations such as: 0.1$ per slot, 2$ per soldatserver, 50$ per hoster, etc ?
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i might got a simple solution to get sctfl hack free and decrease hackers by -40% easy
if MM makes a account system maybe set up 1. a clan data base witch you can join/leave clans and you can see your clan name behind your name ingame or smth , 2 acc ranks .. if you play you gain ranks and a K/D ratio counter , (people will hack less if they got higher rank cause they will be scared to loos the account) you can see easly if a noob clan joins sctfl with all low ranks and like 7 K/D from pubs , then you know it clearly also if you got a account system with ranks soldat will be more actractive i think personal
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The "Nude Calendar for Soldat's BE" Campaign starts Friday 23rd of April at Syntagma Square, Athens, Greece.First come, first served basis. There will be refreshments but don't expect to get paid. All proceeds will go to Sable for his continued Soldat support.
Tel/Fax: 0030 210 1520
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I see 3 solutions right now if we want to keep BE:
1. Make Soldat pay-for-play
2. Make a wikipedia style donation with a gauge and limit for 200€. If the limit is reached we get a month of BE, if not we wait until it is reached
3. Get a sponsor
4. Server owners pay fee.
or a combination ^^
regards to #1, too many people play for free, will be a lot of lost customers
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I think we should just release soldat 1.5 (account system+global banning system=no need for BE) faster and extend soldat developers staff (EnEsCe + OpenSoldat developers).
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Yeah, only guy who can make decent anticheat is hacker itself.
If anything that means he has an advantage, considering he knows the methods they use. :P
Snowwy?
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You have to admit Soldat is slowly going down a spiral. With diminishing numbers of players old and new, why should we let it be a financial burden for MM or any of the hosts to pay for these extra costs? We have to thank MM for how he has supported it thus far, but who else will seriously pay for it? Donations sounds like the more fair option, but as a long-term situation, it is not realistic and will not sustain. We should just play BE-free, just like the old days, wait for MM to release the open-source, and appreciate how the game lasted as long as it has, because soon enough...well, you know.
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Adverts on this site/soldat.pl will do the job and collect atleast 200€ per month.
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Adverts on this site/soldat.pl will do the job and collect atleast 200€ per month.
Dunno how accurate these are but
http://www.cubestat.com/www.soldat.pl
http://www.cubestat.com/forums.soldat.pl
~25 $ / day so that would actually cover it.
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Can't sable give a lil bit of discount since it's a free game.
There havent been any updates either lately, so paying for something that hasn't been updated so long is that even worth it?
ps: just copy the BE files now and have your own anti cheat while it still works :PPPPP (I doubt that will work anyway since it's controlled probably)
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Whats the point of paying for something what isnt effective :Q
And yeah soldat is dying. Lets make more useless s**ts like account system or animated sceneries, who cares about hits and hackers.
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Game hosting companies would pay a lot of money for such an ad. I'd suggest one ad for one country.
BTW, Paint is the power.
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I wouldn't mind to chip in, but I guess the problem is that how do you get all these guys to donate the sum every month without a fail.
that's the point, many people can declare themselves to pay regularly for it, but sometimes you just can't do it because of 7324 reasons, imo dedicated server owners should pay some amount of money every month, let's say these 10€
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I have some suggestions.
First, there are many old timers and people that play soldat alot that probably won't mind donating $10 a month or something symbolic, 2nd, raise the soldat registration fee, i would still pay if it was 17.99 for example.
2nd, from looking at soldat.pl's web ranking, it has at least 40,000 unique visitors a month, and probably hundrets of thousands of page view.
That is a phenomenal resource for ad clicks, maybe add something to the game that every 3rd time a player opens soldat.exe he will be directed to a page with ads.
also add some java popups with ads to the forums, it might annoy some people, but it will keep the game running hack-free. or at least for the most of it.
Make a contributers page for those who donates, give them some forum titles and such, or lets say top 5 contributers will get some sord of recognition.
expand soldat.pl a little more, maybe for some gaming conding blog thing, or something to outsource it and get more traffic and more ad clicks.
from the current traffic there is now soldat.pl can make 10-20USD a day just from google adsense.
for sure.
dont kill the game, i will make a commitment, 20$ a a month.
From: April 19, 2010, 11:37:51 am
in points.
~ charge more for soldat registration
~ more ads on the forums and website
~ accept donations and recognize donators
~ outsource website for gaming related traffic
~ mass email all the registered users and remind them to donate twice a month
~ remove enesce from game development team
~ set me as the funds manager of Soldat (one of my skills is management)
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Yeah, only guy who can make decent anticheat is hacker itself.
If anything that means he has an advantage, considering he knows the methods they use. :P
Snowwy?
Snowy for example
Made a great premium hack what can easily bypass BE.
Also made script "Anti Speed/Teleport Hack". You can find it here
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=24104.0
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Game hosting companies would pay a lot of money for such an ad. I'd suggest one ad for one country.
BTW, Paint is the power.
i had a similar idea, you could make that pop up window before soldat opens for everyone (registered players too) and put advertisements there. Players would see ad's every time they start soldat, im sure it'd make a lot of money.
donations sound like a pretty bad idea, tournaments need to be protected always, not when 'people finally donate to the 200E limit'
we're talking about buying BE for chosen servers, but it depends on how much would it cost, can we get some info from Sable about what would be the payments like?
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rising reg key for soldat is gonna work in here, way more than a half of people is using cracked reg or whatever because it's already at the high price for some people, as I said, some ads and some small money donation from server owners should do the thing
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I think we should do nothing to pay $able for his work. Let him get out of here with his BE. It's no matter to me cause I wasn't cheating and I'm not going to.
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I think we should do nothing to pay $able for his work. Let him get out of here with his BE. It's no matter to me cause I wasn't cheating and I'm not going to.
... I don't think you understand the point of an anti-cheat. :)
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I understand it's point but as long as I don't cheat it doesn't bother me. Especially that cheaters are easy to kill (most of them can't even aim). :)
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I understand it's point but as long as I don't cheat it doesn't bother me.
It still doesn't make much sense... anti-cheats are made to prevent others from cheating, so that YOU can enjoy the game.
What you're saying is "as long as I'm not cheating - I'm enjoying the game", which has nothing to do with anti-cheat itself.
Especially that cheaters are easy to kill (most of them can't even aim). :)
Not always. Not when someone's using a dodge/aim bot with infinite knives, or something like that. That's what I've seen a few times, and those hackers were trouble. They'd kill you before you even see it coming. I'm an experienced player, but I still had a lot of trouble dealing with them.
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Wow...Does $able even lose any money making BE? Or what ever he does with it....Seems kinda like a grab at money really...Im sure it doesnt cost 200 euro a month to uphold....Plus if we get eC to do it we will get low ping on all BE servers seems like a good deal to me!
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Considering that soldat is still somewhat active only due to veteran players who know each other and are playing mostly among them selfs, removing BE won't be that destructive... Actually i think it's natural for such an old project as Soldat to start being officially dropped... :'(
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Considering that soldat is still somewhat active only due to veteran players who know each other and are playing mostly among them selfs, removing BE won't be that destructive... Actually i think it's natural for such an old project as Soldat to start being officially dropped... :'(
I can't speak for everyone, but BE has made our lives as SCTFL and Gather admins that much easier. I don't even want to think about the days when the only way to catch hackers was to watch tons of demos, and still often there were inconclusive cases. It was a ton of tedious work, and that was when the league wasn't as big as it is today. With BE we have somewhat a reliable way to catch hackers that use detected hacks. And even though leagues like SCTFL or community projects like Soldat Gathers have a lot of veterans playing them, they're open to everyone, and we have to deal with hackers every single week.
I am not going to say that it's going to be a disaster without BE, but it's in the very least it's going to be a huge setback for Soldat. That's why I think we should do everything in our power to keep BE. There has been many good ideas on how to keep it alive, if we implement more than one of them, I'm sure than raising 200 a month will not be a problem. Here's the ideas that would be very easy and simple to setup:
1. Setup ads on soldat.pl and forums.soldat.pl (and possibly other related sites).
2. Setup a donation service. Would also be neat if there was a way for a person to subscribe to monthly payments (I'd gladly donate monthly, and if it's automated I don't even have to think about it or remember it). PayPal has a way to do both easily.
3. Try to find a sponsor or two.
4. Since I'm under the assumption that people still do buy the game, increase the game's registration fee a bit.
I'm sure that all of these 4 combined will give MM more than 200 dollars a month.
And if everything else fails, imho it's still better to do the original suggestion and make BE optional, but let server owners to decide whether to buy it or not. Even if majority of people (like people who host their own dedicated server on their own PC) would not pay for it, it'd at least give the opportunity for competitive clans to enable BE on their servers, and let leagues and gathers run more hacker-free. The pricing just has to be reasonable, so people who don't make any profit from their servers can still run them without having to pay large fees (in matter of fact, I think that having a reasonable price for BE will end up in better sales for $able, than having a bigger price and nobody paying for it).
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ramirez is speaking my mind here, BE needs to stay for the tournaments, all the bans for hacks in my tournament were based on BE gamehack messeges and shitload of hackers were caught that way (big thanks to xurich for helping me with it)
BE needs to stay one way or another, if ad's/sponsoring won't work, we need to be able to buy BE on our own to our tournament/gather servers
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I totally agree with ramirez and Mittsu, maybe some server owners don't give a shit about people hacking in their servers but I do. I need BE, even if I have to pay a fee for it.
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Soldat is far from being dead. Developers' community is active, soldat is being actively developed, things are getting always better. Imho what everyone should do more is: advertising (I never did it in over 3 years of my own community, and don't see much advertising from others too). Without it it's difficult to find new players. New players are something what excluded from big competitions and gathers. Those are quite separate worlds. Let's promote soldat.gather et similia. Let's put advertisements on this and other sites and with earned money BE will be affordable.
BE is necessary but I think server owners should have more knowledge about the seriousness of each BE ban, an error number is not enough.
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Snowy for example
Made a great premium hack what can easily bypass BE.
Oh please, it works for 2 minutes. Thats not a bypass.
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I said premium hack not free one
Snowy for example
Made a great premium hack what can easily bypass BE.
Oh please, it works for 2 minutes. Thats not a bypass.
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I said premium hack not free one
Snowy for example
Made a great premium hack what can easily bypass BE.
Oh please, it works for 2 minutes. Thats not a bypass.
That made me laugh, hard.
Hmm, if snowy can come up with a script like that. Why not just make more of the same kind of stuff, put them into soldats source code, and then we dont need BE? Am I wrong?
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still prefere this solutioin:
1. Make Soldat pay-for-play
wheres the problem with it?
i mean there can be different kinds how to get this working.
1. soldat is no more free (which i dont prefer) (maybe 2 weeks trial version) (maybe set down the price)
2. When the 1.5 v is released and we got accounts people who play very much like 2 hours per day have to register (ofc. accounts solve the cheater problem a bit too)
3. ...?
still the solutiion with google ads is great too!
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but well
ther are less players than some years ago. so MM maybe send soldat 1.51 to some GameMagazins, Forums, whatever to make it more popular!
i remeber soldat 1.21 was on GameStar which is one of the biggest gaming magazins .. it was on the DVD, so maybe you can resend it dunno
OMG FUCK YOU WITH YOUR OPINION no one is gonna PAY , we just have to get advertisement
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I said premium hack not free one
Snowy for example
Made a great premium hack what can easily bypass BE.
Oh please, it works for 2 minutes. Thats not a bypass.
That made me laugh, hard.
Hmm, if snowy can come up with a script like that. Why not just make more of the same kind of stuff, put them into soldats source code, and then we dont need BE? Am I wrong?
yes, how can you talk about stuff you have no idea about? This whole snowy thing is a complete nonsense to begin with, he can't code for shit >.> You're just flooding the thread
Gotta agree with ramirez so far
Making soldat a pay2play game would ruin things completely, not an option imo. Ads sound bearable, but not aggressive popups all over the place, that's just nasty
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Soldat is far from being dead. Developers' community is active, soldat is being actively developed, things are getting always better.
You are way too optimistic... Where the hell do you see any development here? Minor update every 2 years? (btw 1.5.1 beta fails)
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You are way too optimistic... Where the hell do you see any development here? Minor update every 2 years? (btw 1.5.1 beta fails)
Just follow enesce blog and mantis tracker. Things can't get any faster if only one is involved in client/server development. Is he paid? Don't think so. Has he a real life? Probably yes. To get process run faster soldat needs more developers. I'm not in a hurry and the last decision is of MM. Soldat is enough good to create communities, advertise the game and increase overall activity. We must stay IT with the topic.
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How about in-game advertisements for those who aren't registered?
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5655/soldatadvertising.png)
Just throwing ideas around...
too much R6V2
You are way too optimistic... Where the hell do you see any development here? Minor update every 2 years? (btw 1.5.1 beta fails)
Just follow enesce blog and mantis tracker. Things can't get any faster if only one is involved in client/server development. Is he paid? Don't think so. Has he a real life? Probably yes. To get process run faster soldat needs more developers. I'm not in a hurry and the last decision is of MM. Soldat is enough good to create communities, advertise the game and increase overall activity. We must stay IT with the topic.
So then maybe MM should turn to possibly making Soldat open source (which it seems he is thinking about actually doing).
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Hello, sori for me englsz in front off al!
But seriously im playing Soldat for 5 years now and what i think is that admins can catch Hacker's more easily with BE. right we havent 200€ every month without any dumb donation by everyone.
i would like to tell you how many hackers were caught since BE was there (maybe before there was caught some hackers too)
SCTFL 16 yet: http://www.sctfl.net/forums/index.php?topic=21645.0
SCTFL 15: http://www.sctfl.net/forums/index.php?topic=15185.0
there are some more lists aviable but im to lazy to post it at all.
My solution idea is based on some system like that "wiki account" with a donate hotmail, every player is paying some money into it till any leauge like sctfl/sctfc/WC will start, then we could use the saved money and use BE for those 1 or 2 months.
Im not that posting ppl but i still have fun in playing that game and want to save it in the future..
In best regards Dimmea
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leagues are fine without BE, the real problem is the public servers/gathers.
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MM, release soldats code so we can have a real dev'ing team...and we wouldnt be dependent on BE (if that team worked on an efficient antihack system) + we wouldn't have NSC coding it...I can't see any counter argument to this especially since as you say you don't really get much money off soldat so releasing the code wouldn't hurt you too much while it'd definitely please us all
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More developers but closed source imho. People MM can really trust on. But this is not the problem. The problem is how to afford BE, and enough solutions have been provided: Ads on sites + registrations + donations will do the job. Those who don't want to pay can still support Soldat by being active on sites
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Just follow enesce blog and mantis tracker.
Not much happening there.
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leagues are fine without BE, the real problem is the public servers/gathers.
Who the fuck cares about Public? in every Game there are much Hackers on public, well your Gather point is right.
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leagues are fine without BE, the real problem is the public servers/gathers.
Who the f**k cares about Public? in every Game there are much Hackers on public, well your Gather point is right.
Not caring about public is quite short sighted as thats where new players come from.
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leagues are fine without BE, the real problem is the public servers/gathers.
Who the f**k cares about Public? in every Game there are much Hackers on public, well your Gather point is right.
Not caring about public is quite short sighted as thats where new players come from.
thats the point.
if there were no public servers you wouldnt take here atm Dimmean :l .. they are most important for new players.
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Does the scene need new players???????????? omg
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it really does, if we want to keep soldat alive, old players are living - new players are joining. so there will be always some people playing Soldat
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Does the scene need new players???????????? omg
LOL .. omg dude ..
of corse .. else no one would play soldat the result would be that soldat community dies
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More developers but closed source imho. People MM can really trust on. But this is not the problem. The problem is how to afford BE, and enough solutions have been provided: Ads on sites + registrations + donations will do the job. Those who don't want to pay can still support Soldat by being active on sites
You are way too optimistic... Where the hell do you see any development here? Minor update every 2 years? (btw 1.5.1 beta fails)
Just follow enesce blog and mantis tracker. Things can't get any faster if only one is involved in client/server development. Is he paid? Don't think so. Has he a real life? Probably yes. To get process run faster soldat needs more developers. I'm not in a hurry and the last decision is of MM. Soldat is enough good to create communities, advertise the game and increase overall activity. We must stay IT with the topic.
That's the thing. EnEsCe won't let anyone else work with him. To him, Soldat is essentially *his* project and MM lacks motivation to convince him otherwise.
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Does the scene need new players???????????? omg
LOL .. omg dude ..
of corse .. else no one would play soldat the result would be that soldat community dies
We have our community already. I've played with the same guys for the last three years.
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NASRAT!
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We have our community already. I've played with the same guys for the last three years.
You don't seem to get the point...
Even the "community" and "the same guys" will eventually decrease in numbers because even most addicted Soldat players quit eventually. If there are no new players joining the community - Soldat will die.
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We have our community already. I've played with the same guys for the last three years.
You don't seem to get the point...
Even the "community" and "the same guys" will eventually decrease in numbers because even most addicted Soldat players quit eventually. If there are no new players joining the community - Soldat will die.
Oh I do get the point, very well actually. It's just my opinion and I'd say I'm full of the crap that keeps flowing from the publics to the private servers.
Eventually I'll be gone among "the same guys" aswell.
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Michal could eventually poke EnEsCe.
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Does the scene need new players???????????? omg
LOL .. omg dude ..
of corse .. else no one would play soldat the result would be that soldat community dies
We have our community already. I've played with the same guys for the last three years.
probably because you don't play with the new players... (new to the league/irc and gather scene)
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Bad news, man.
Is there another solution?
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Hate to say it but MM you have been wasting your money. All that money for a anti-cheat that probably worked half the time and also having periods of no updates and hacks out everywhere. Screw donating to keep battle eye running, we need to donate to MM for all that (wasted) money he spent on us.
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Hate to say it but MM you have been wasting your money. All that money for a anti-cheat that probably worked half the time and also having periods of no updates and hacks out everywhere. Screw donating to keep battle eye running, we need to donate to MM for all that (wasted) money he spent on us.
well play soldat on a public server without BE and please tell me again that this was waste of money. well the amoumt of coins is really high with 200 per month now , but its definately not wasted.
by the way..
arent there any other anti cheatin tools arround which are for free or much cheaper?
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MM, I hope you're reading every reply of this thread (cept dustys cuz I really wonder the hell hes up to) but as you can see 100% of the community wants you to either release the code to the public...OR allow a REAL team consisting in people who are not NSC basically to dev the game.
This would benefit you and us, cuz that team would make the game better, with quicker updates etc which means fun for us and money for you.
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1. Setup ads on soldat.pl and forums.soldat.pl (and possibly other related sites).
2. Setup a donation service. Would also be neat if there was a way for a person to subscribe to monthly payments (I'd gladly donate monthly, and if it's automated I don't even have to think about it or remember it). PayPal has a way to do both easily.
3. Try to find a sponsor or two.
4. Since I'm under the assumption that people still do buy the game, increase the game's registration fee a bit.
To that list I would add some "SHARE WITH FACEBOOK/MYSPACE/WHATEVER" buttons somewhere visible. That can help advertising the game a little, which would hopefully increase the traffic and give more income from ads.
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unregistered boys get a box on startup, which has an ad on it (usually it leads either to sf or enesce's lair). You could xpand the box a bit and fit all sorts us useless shit (referring to advertisements) there and once you click [ok], the pesky fucks are out of your way until you finish/restart the game (or register).
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MM, I hope you're reading every reply of this thread (cept dustys cuz I really wonder the hell hes up to) but as you can see 100% of the community wants you to either release the code to the public...OR allow a REAL team consisting in people who are not NSC basically to dev the game.
This would benefit you and us, cuz that team would make the game better, with quicker updates etc which means fun for us and money for you.
f12! asap
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Or just put a DrawText like at each 5 min in game like :
Register soldat now for only 5$
And we should find more benefit for register ppl !
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ye delete BE haha Marcin przestań. so now players will be use hack. this is bad move rly
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I'd like to further support open sourcing Soldat. For those that may have concerns with that, I encourage you to read this thread (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=37839.0).
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I don't support opensourcing Soldat.
Unlike many ppl think making something open source doesn't necessary lead to quality rising. Even though many ppl are interested in it's development few will actually do something. And even if they try to it won't be an easy task since Soldat's source probably is a total mess (just look at the mapmaker source code) and i'm not even speaking about it's volume...
So it will probably end up being taken by some other commercial project...
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I don't support opensourcing Soldat.
Unlike many ppl think making something open source doesn't necessary lead to quality rising. Even though many ppl are interested in it's development few will actually do something. And even if they try to it won't be an easy task since Soldat's source probably is a total mess (just look at the mapmaker source code) and i'm not even speaking about it's volume...
So it will probably end up being taken by some other commercial project...
very much true just have a look at opensoldat not much happening there.
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It can't be 'taken up by some commercial project' unless you dont license it and release it into the public domain, which'd let commercial whoevers do whatever with it.
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It can't be 'taken up by some commercial project' unless you dont license it and release it into the public domain, which'd let commercial whoevers do whatever with it.
The BSD/MIT licenses would allow this, but I'd assume Soldat would use the GPL.
very much true just have a look at opensoldat not much happening there.
oS has zero momentum. There's no developer pushing out a lot of code, no real codebase to speak of, etc. Soldat has a large playerbase and is a working game.
Even though many ppl are interested in it's development few will actually do something.
That's more than we have currently!
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Even though many ppl are interested in it's development few will actually do something.
That's more than we have currently!
lol... good point.
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Take off battleye. Who cares if hackers run around. At least you won't get stressed out over paying monthly.
MM you need to save money. This economy is terrible and I hate to see you have to pay 200 euros a month just because people on the internet tell you.
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Open sourcing isn't good idea imho. I'll say it one more time - best solution will be to expand current developing staff.
EDIT: And now great idea struck me! Make MM main developer of soldat again! Noone knows code of soldat better than creator of it. :)
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Only thing i can think of would be to convince VALVe to let your game run on Steam and use VAC (VALVe Anti Cheat)
I don't see why you don't want people to pay for your game. Those who truly love soldat will be willing to pay for such as i. All the hackers and griefers won't spend there money on it. Thus soldat will be better.
OR, MM could completely recreate Soldat using source engine and release it as a mod.
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I read all your replies.
I'm currently biased towards switching off BE for like a month to see what happens and at the same time put up a donation button.
Google ads isn't a money maker but I might try. I have a deal for in-game advertising but it needs the new version to be released for it to work. EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.
I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.
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I read all your replies.
I'm currently biased towards switching off BE for like a month to see what happens and at the same time put up a donation button.
Google ads isn't a money maker but I might try. I have a deal for in-game advertising but it needs the new version to be released for it to work. EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.
I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.
we cant help him out in testing because we all got 0 fps and until he has fixed that bug soldat 1.5.1 is unplayable.
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I read all your replies.
I'm currently biased towards switching off BE for like a month to see what happens and at the same time put up a donation button.
Google ads isn't a money maker but I might try. I have a deal for in-game advertising but it needs the new version to be released for it to work. EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.
I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.
Don't switch it off man, we can't go back. We need to go forward...
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i won't even dare to run a tournament without any hack protection
and what's there to test in 1.5.1 beta? i'd gladly help
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I have a deal for in-game advertising but it needs the new version to be released for it to work. EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.
LOL, how can we test anything since the game freeze when holding any key? i report bugs and have to wait 2 months for fixing 'em and after that i see one more bug making game unplayable. It's beta with houndreds of new bugs and a few good fixes.
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I read all your replies.
I'm currently biased towards switching off BE for like a month to see what happens and at the same time put up a donation button.
Google ads isn't a money maker but I might try. I have a deal for in-game advertising but it needs the new version to be released for it to work. EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.
I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.
The fps bugs currently in 1.5.1 are ridiculous... maybe NSC does need some help to complete this version, there must be some people who could atleast help him out... And if this in-game advertisement deal is going to make enough money to pay for BE; then I think everyone is going to suggest focusing on getting a stable version of 1.5.1 out pronto. I shudder to think if we return to the dark days of players flying around like superman on public and unknown players with 100% aim in sctfl. openSourcing soldat seems a great leap, but just expanding the developping team a bit seems to me like the next step. I know there is more than just NSC who can code in this forum, maybe like you say they cannot "push large amounts" but surely they can help.
In result to testing soldat i posted this fps hold button bug and it still is there every update. We cannot possibly be expected to help test soldat when we are getting below 15 fps most of the time. I remeber when the beta came out, everyone was giving it a go on #soldat.mapping gathers; quickly nobody tried as this fps bugged killed any possible testing.
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EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.
EnEsCe is awful at interaction with the community. When someone posted the patch notes for 1.5.1, he had the topic deleted so that his blog would get more traffic.
In order to garner interest in the beta, a community needs a strong leader to show them where the project is at, where it's going, and what needs to be done. You can't not actually lead and then whine about how nobody is helping you.
I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.
You don't need people producing a lot of code because Soldat is a mature game and has more of an issue with bugs than new features - which isn't at all the case with openSoldat. Fixing bugs takes a lot of time, but generally not a huge amount of code.
Additionally, Shoozza is a good coder, and has expressed an interest in helping develop Soldat. I'm sure there are other good programmers elsewhere in the Soldat community, and there certainly are in the open source community.
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Guys quit complaining. The game will be fixed in the next 20 years. If it isn't Enesce is either dead or had the shit kicked through him.
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Well thatll be fun!!! :) wonder if snowy still hacks soldat!!! if thers no more be soldat will becone stick arena!!! lots of hackers!!! :o
From: April 22, 2010, 03:44:56 pm
EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.
EnEsCe is awful at interaction with the community. When someone posted the patch notes for 1.5.1, he had the topic deleted so that his blog would get more traffic.
In order to garner interest in the beta, a community needs a strong leader to show them where the project is at, where it's going, and what needs to be done. You can't not actually lead and then whine about how nobody is helping you.
I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.
You don't need people producing a lot of code because Soldat is a mature game and has more of an issue with bugs than new features - which isn't at all the case with openSoldat. Fixing bugs takes a lot of time, but generally not a huge amount of code.
Additionally, Shoozza is a good coder, and has expressed an interest in helping develop Soldat. I'm sure there are other good programmers elsewhere in the Soldat community, and there certainly are in the open source community.
what youre saying is "Make me your leader!!!"
From: April 22, 2010, 03:46:16 pm
I read all your replies.
I'm currently biased towards switching off BE for like a month to see what happens and at the same time put up a donation button.
Google ads isn't a money maker but I might try. I have a deal for in-game advertising but it needs the new version to be released for it to work. EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.
I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.
i could beta test for him ive been playing soldat for about 3.5 years!
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Don't switch it off man, we can't go back. We need to go forward...
I wouldn't call relying on a 3rd-party anti-cheat as "going forward". It's more like "taking a break and letting someone else carry you until they're tired".
By going forward I would imagine improving Soldat's own anti-cheat.
i could beta test for him ive been playing soldat for about 3.5 years!
This is your chance to become a hero. Go test it. ;/
Soldat 1.5.1 beta: http://enesce.com/?dl_id=10
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I read all your replies.
I'm currently biased towards switching off BE for like a month to see what happens and at the same time put up a donation button.
Google ads isn't a money maker but I might try. I have a deal for in-game advertising but it needs the new version to be released for it to work. EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.
I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.
The fps bugs currently in 1.5.1 are ridiculous... maybe NSC does need some help to complete this version, there must be some people who could atleast help him out... And if this in-game advertisement deal is going to make enough money to pay for BE; then I think everyone is going to suggest focusing on getting a stable version of 1.5.1 out pronto. I shudder to think if we return to the dark days of players flying around like superman on public and unknown players with 100% aim in sctfl. openSourcing soldat seems a great leap, but just expanding the developping team a bit seems to me like the next step. I know there is more than just NSC who can code in this forum, maybe like you say they cannot "push large amounts" but surely they can help.
In result to testing soldat i posted this fps hold button bug and it still is there every update. We cannot possibly be expected to help test soldat when we are getting below 15 fps most of the time. I remeber when the beta came out, everyone was giving it a go on #soldat.mapping gathers; quickly nobody tried as this fps bugged killed any possible testing.
ye, I played 1.5.1 a lot when it was released and tried to get it more played, but since I had 10-0.1 fps (sometimes 20, but ussualy beteween 10-4), it became unplayable.
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You can start trying to make soldat a more know game around gamer circles around the world with a marketing campaign, this way you'll get more ppl to like, try, play, and pay for the game in the mean time you or other ppl work on a solution for the Be problem.
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If advertisement is what ya'll want then you don't need MM to do it for ya. I'm pretty sure most of ya'll play other games and are members of other forums. One way to put soldat out there is to advertise it in your signature. Make a soldat banner with whatever you want on it and put insert it as your signature on the other forum, or maybe someone can make a universal signature so people can just copy and paste. You can also make it to were if someone clicks on it and will take them to this forum.
Now I know on some forums advertisement isn't allowed so I wouldn't do it if thats the case, but honestly, what gamer wouldn't try a 13 MB, free downloadable, fast pace, multi player game?
I'm pretty sure no one really wants to see soldat go, so we are gonna have to do something so it won't. Since we can't do much, like help out with 1.5.1, we gotta do the little stuff and an example is the signature thing.
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advertising a broken game won't work... even people new to the game finds out how horrible the netcode is.
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In my opinion the only way to maintain BE protection is by servers admins. They have to pay fee to have their server protected by battleye.
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In my opinion, being without BE won't be as big a blow to Soldat as some may believe. We'll manage.
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In my opinion, being without BE won't be as big a blow to Soldat as some may believe. We'll manage.
Don't you remember how many hacks there were for 1.3.X. With BE enabled they were reduced a lot and free BattlEye bypasser was/is not working.
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Don't you remember how many hacks there were for 1.3.X. With BE enabled they were reduced a lot and free BattlEye bypasser was/is not working.
And don't you remember around that time was also the pinnacle of our players. Soon afterwards, players slowly decreased. Am I blaming BE for that? No. But even with BE, our players are still dropping because it is an old game now. Shinobars is right, with or without BE won't really make a difference in terms of popularity of this game. Admins just have to step up.
Keep this in mind. Soldat started May 9, 2002. Battle-eye came out v1.4.0 on April 29, 2007. Almost 5 years stable without BE.
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For hackers it will be great but for the worst fair game!
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Also seeing as the vast majority of Soldat's activity can be accredited to the gather scene, hackers shouldn't be too much of an issue. They might kill off public servers, but it's not like there are many good ones out there at the moment. All I see is climbing, dodgeball, racing, fuck-your-mum-ing, etc. It's moronic.
I miss the old, simple, popular Soldat that didn't have all these extraneous, bug-causing features. Because at least then it was fun to play.
I don't mean to shit on anyone's parade. Soldat is an amazing game and I've always praised MM for what he has accomplished with it, but it simply strayed down the wrong path. I doubt that it can be revived short of a complete reboot.
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Also seeing as the vast majority of Soldat's activity can be accredited to the gather scene, hackers shouldn't be too much of an issue.
I was going to make a topic about this, but I am totally against gathers. It is not BE killing the game. It's these stupid gathers that ruined the public and competitive community at the same time. Gathers are truly the downfall of soldat as much as all these people keep on praising it.
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I agree with you, actually. I never liked gathers much because they were somewhat of a middle ground between strict, competitive play and fun, public play. The combination just didn't work for me. It was too serious to be fun, and it was elitist enough to drag players away from public servers, which was where I lurked most of the time.
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I agree with you, actually. I never liked gathers much because they were somewhat of a middle ground between strict, competitive play and fun, public play. The combination just didn't work for me. It was too serious to be fun, and it was elitist enough to drag players away from public servers, which was where I lurked most of the time.
I agree with this.
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Also seeing as the vast majority of Soldat's activity can be accredited to the gather scene, hackers shouldn't be too much of an issue. They might kill off public servers, but it's not like there are many good ones out there at the moment. All I see is climbing, dodgeball, racing, f**k-your-mum-ing, etc. It's moronic.
I miss the old, simple, popular Soldat that didn't have all these extraneous, bug-causing features. Because at least then it was fun to play.
I don't mean to s**t on anyone's parade. Soldat is an amazing game and I've always praised MM for what he has accomplished with it, but it simply strayed down the wrong path. I doubt that it can be revived short of a complete reboot.
Simply, if only new WM will be put on let's say 1.2 or 1.3.0/1 version, game would be awesome. With new version worse netcode is (probably, i mean more eats surely).
EDIT: ofc, less eats means more fun for any gamer.
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I read all your replies.
I'm currently biased towards switching off BE for like a month to see what happens and at the same time put up a donation button.
Google ads isn't a money maker but I might try. I have a deal for in-game advertising but it needs the new version to be released for it to work. EnEsCe says nobody is helping him out in testing currently.
I'm skeptical about expanding the dev team or opensourcing. Exactly because of nothing happening with openSoldat. I don't know anyone that can push a lot of code (except me and NSC) so I don't see a good perspective here.
Don't switch it off man, we can't go back. We need to go forward...
We're not going to go "forward" if he keeps having to scrape up 200 euros just to pay for BE every month.
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Gathers are truly the downfall of soldat as much as all these people keep on praising it.
Funny, gathers are the only reason I still play Soldat. You don't have to be in a clan and find a cw to play a match that's more interesting than your average pub.
It's cool that you, Kazuki, et. al. don't like gathers, but calling it the downfall of Soldat is a bit hyperbolic.
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Gathers are truly the downfall of soldat as much as all these people keep on praising it.
Funny, gathers are the only reason I still play Soldat. You don't have to be in a clan and find a cw to play a match that's more interesting than your average pub.
It's cool that you, Kazuki, et. al. don't like gathers, but calling it the downfall of Soldat is a bit hyperbolic.
I made a new topic so we don't go off-topic about donations/help for battle-eye
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=38035.new#new
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Well, lets collect and add the ideas before maybe. Someone should open up a post for that...
Anyway, the SGAS project maybe will safe our asses:
If BE would get removed, servers will lose protection. The new account system in 1.5.1 (portal) fixes every player, so if he gets banned once, he's pretty much forever. BUT: only on one server, and that sucks. SGAS would allow sharing the bans list as 'Global', so each server may make profits of it, having the banned TagIDs. (One server detects cheat: adds to global bans list: all other servers have him banned also). A problem of this globalization: When a server maker doesnt like one guy and bans him (he didn't do anything bad!), he will be banned everywhere... We should make some kinda 'trusted bans sources'. Only trusted servers would be able to globaly ban some TagID. Other non-trusted yet may request that trust mode also. Cool, or not ?
(After I may finish up my zombie script, I will try to do that as a script)
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Well, lets collect and add the ideas before maybe. Someone should open up a post for that...
Anyway, the SGAS project maybe will safe our asses:
If BE would get removed, servers will lose protection. The new account system in 1.5.1 (portal) fixes every player, so if he gets banned once, he's pretty much forever. BUT: only on one server, and that sucks. SGAS would allow sharing the bans list as 'Global', so each server may make profits of it, having the banned TagIDs. (One server detects cheat: adds to global bans list: all other servers have him banned also). A problem of this globalization: When a server maker doesnt like one guy and bans him (he didn't do anything bad!), he will be banned everywhere... We should make some kinda 'trusted bans sources'. Only trusted servers would be able to globaly ban some TagID. Other non-trusted yet may request that trust mode also. Cool, or not ?
(After I may finish up my zombie script, I will try to do that as a script)
this already exists, though only for the competive scene. but me and ramirez has been discussing and if BE gets removed it will be quite likely extended to cover public servers as well.
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can't the banned person just make a new account? :p
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can't the banned person just make a new account? :p
Indeed he can, since soldat is a free game this doesn't work really. Works for Steam where you have to pay to get a new ID.
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Soldat need gathers, tournaments and public servers, in the same amount. Most of all it needs advertisement, not only to mantain BE, but most of all to get new players.
EDIT: Of course BE must be paid by MM himself through ads on soldat.pl sites and donations. It's so far the most practicable road to get soldat almost hacker-free. Increase dev team size would be just fine but imho is so important as long as Enesce will not solve 0fps bug in short period.
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I wouldn't be surprised if soldat is completely dead withing 2-3 years (or maybe less).
so thinking about opensourcing it now might be a good idea, opensourcing it when the game has started to die out will probably not give it new life, but just fadeaway (cuz the old players have no interest in it (it's these people who would code it)).
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by ensece.com
btw: The beta end is getting closer and closer every day, it is vital that all critcal bugs get fixed before release[...]so it is pretty important that you let me know if you have any bugs occur with the update.
seems that main work is done. gogo, cause account system is that what can replace be
Notice that that quote is from February 8th.
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I am thinking of donating 50 bucks :|
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I wouldn't be surprised if soldat is completely dead withing 2-3 years (or maybe less).
so thinking about opensourcing it now might be a good idea, opensourcing it when the game has started to die out will probably not give it new life, but just fadeaway (cuz the old players have no interest in it (it's these people who would code it)).
Soldat is already dead we all are justing kicking this dead body...
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What the heck ? BE can't be removed, it will destroy the game with all these hacks around. This MUST be solved through donations.
What are you talking about? There are still hacks around, Battle-Eye stops nothing!
Save your cash MM, spend it on something worthwhile (and something that WORKS).
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What the heck ? BE can't be removed, it will destroy the game with all these hacks around. This MUST be solved through donations.
What are you talking about? There are still hacks around, Battle-Eye stops nothing!
Save your cash MM, spend it on something worthwhile (and something that WORKS).
Yes it stops. I rarely see hackers on public even if I do then 1 time a month.
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MM, you're shooting yourself in the foot. Put the burden on the server owners. They have incentive to pay. In fact, many server owners have already stated they're happy to pay. It's the only sustainable route, and the one that makes the most sense.
Website ads will just spell the end of Soldat. You will just lose your indie developer coolness, and then your source of revenue (new players.)
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A few euros per month per server (not per IP). However I will only continue support if there are a lot of requests, otherwise it's just not worth it.
So if you are interested, please let me know here.
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A few euros per month per server (not per IP). However I will only continue support if there are a lot of requests, otherwise it's just not worth it.
So if you are interested, please let me know here.
Are there any chance to negotiate some kind of "wholesale" price for example I have 16 servers that ppl borrow for playing clanwars what kind of fees would be involved in getting them covered. is there any chance to have a basic and a premium protection? for example on generic/heuristic protection in the basic one and include gamehacks and such in the premium one?
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Are there any chance to negotiate some kind of "wholesale" price for example I have 16 servers that ppl borrow for playing clanwars what kind of fees would be involved in getting them covered. is there any chance to have a basic and a premium protection? for example on generic/heuristic protection in the basic one and include gamehacks and such in the premium one?
kinda good idea, but the servers would have to pay a monthly price, and that will also incrase the monthly pirces for the guys who rent the server -> Less servers. Also players would only join the 'premium' servers, and then less new servers and less new good mod ideas would come new -> Less popular soldat...
Quick sugesiton only...
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Are there any chance to negotiate some kind of "wholesale" price for example I have 16 servers that ppl borrow for playing clanwars what kind of fees would be involved in getting them covered. is there any chance to have a basic and a premium protection? for example on generic/heuristic protection in the basic one and include gamehacks and such in the premium one?
kinda good idea, but the servers would have to pay a monthly price, and that will also incrase the monthly pirces for the guys who rent the server -> Less servers. Also players would only join the 'premium' servers, and then less new servers and less new good mod ideas would come new -> Less popular soldat...
Quick sugesiton only...
Well I host 50+ servers having them all covered by BE would be quite steep.
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well, i host for free 20+ servers, so its kinda bullshit if i need to play after i'm giving a free service for the community.
i think the main error here was:
- Free game cant have payed services. its just NOT possible to survive on it (200 euros / month LOL)
- Maybe if soldat was not sticked to 1/2 coders this never happened.
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What about to release source code of Soldat 1.3.1 or some older one. It can be good oppurtunity for random programmers around the community to see how the game what they play for so long time works. And yes, Soldat 1.5.1 release day was postponed to 21 of July 2013. Stay tuned!
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Are there any chance to negotiate some kind of "wholesale" price for example I have 16 servers that ppl borrow for playing clanwars what kind of fees would be involved in getting them covered. is there any chance to have a basic and a premium protection? for example on generic/heuristic protection in the basic one and include gamehacks and such in the premium one?
Not planned. You should pass on fees to those that rent the server from you.
From: April 27, 2010, 12:19:05 pm
kinda good idea, but the servers would have to pay a monthly price, and that will also incrase the monthly pirces for the guys who rent the server -> Less servers. Also players would only join the 'premium' servers, and then less new servers and less new good mod ideas would come new -> Less popular soldat...
Quick sugesiton only...
Life is hard sometimes, isn't it? Sorry, but if you want something, you have to pay for it. I guess you aren't or won't be working for free either, just out of good will? I am not trying to be mean or anything, but that's just the plain truth.
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The server/player ratio is excessively high at the moment. Many of those servers remain empty for the majority of the day. While I'm sure 10-25% of servers are quite popular, cutting down on the unused portion should easily pay for the BE service.
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well, i host for free 20+ servers, so its kinda bulls**t if i need to play after i'm giving a free service for the community.
i think the main error here was:
- Free game cant have payed services. its just NOT possible to survive on it (200 euros / month LOL)
- Maybe if soldat was not sticked to 1/2 coders this never happened.
That's why I openly announced 1.5 years ago that I am doing business with BE now and I either have to leave Soldat or get paid for it. And by the way, after I negotiated with MM, I didn't ask for payment for one more year - he only paid for half a year now. And yes, he could afford it, as he made quite some revenue from Soldat regs in the past. Just recently things changed because, as he told me, sales dropped greatly.
It's NOT unfair. It's quite funny that a great part of the community seems to think that they have a natural right to BE and that I am just greedy. The fact is, you don't. Yea, hate me for it and cry, but that's just how it is.
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After many years of developing he deserves some money from his work and ofc he has made good job with adding BE into Soldat for free for one or two years. If there gonna be some kind of ingame advertising first of all fix bugs to avoid status for soldat as "Buggy game with *** adversts" However adverts will only annoy newcomers as well.
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well, in past we had MM AntiHack protections and cheaters, atm we have BE and cheaters. Difference is: he must to pay MORE to have less cheaters on it.
I wont keep my servers if we need to pay you, sable, soz. not even i pay that much for my WHOLE network, not even HALF of it. lol.
IF enesce and MM want, i bet there is a couple of a good coders that could help in the addiction of a good ANTIHACK for soldat, without paying this huge ammount of money.
Other thing i cant understand is why he need to pay monthly to have a lobby server. Maybe he could explain it.
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*sigh*
Obviously you won't have to pay the entire 200 euros every month alone. It would be divided between all Soldat server owners, probably as a monthly service.
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i know, but im giving free services for the community. whats the point of paying for having my own server and then, paying for the free service that im giving?
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i know, but im giving free services for the community. whats the point of paying for having my own server and then, paying for the free service that im giving?
So why do you even pay for the server hosting service then? You sound like you will be forced to use and pay for BE.
From: April 27, 2010, 01:24:32 pm
Other thing i cant understand is why he need to pay monthly to have a lobby server. Maybe he could explain it.
He rents a dedicated server from FLAB that he's using for all of his stuff.
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lol? i said i have a NETWORK, i never said i have the server because soldat.
i run several servers and other soldat services (some being coded) for free. Whats the point of making me pay for a service that i give for free? :)
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as far as I'm concerned, someone has already mentioned about monthy payments from server owners, 'bigger things' like soldatserver selfkill ec nasoldat and such probably would handle it and they would pay regularly, but how about other who have their own VPS/dedicated server or such, imo there would be a situation where those guys would say 'I don't have any money now can i pay tomorrow or in 2 days..' or they just wouldn't pay at all. What I'm trying to say is, what will happend if we (those 4 organizations) won't reach that amount of money? cuz someone who has declared himself to pay, just stopped paying.
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as far as I'm concerned, someone has already mentioned about monthy payments from server owners, 'bigger things' like soldatserver selfkill ec nasoldat and such probably would handle it and they would pay regularly, but how about other who have their own VPS/dedicated server or such, imo there would be a situation where those guys would say 'I don't have any money now can i pay tomorrow or in 2 days..' or they just wouldn't pay at all. What I'm trying to say is, what will happend if we (those 4 organizations) won't reach that amount of money? cuz someone who has declared himself to pay, just stopped paying.
For the server owner payment model, everyone would pay the same fixed amount. The 200 euros from MM alone has nothing to do with this.
From: April 27, 2010, 01:41:36 pm
lol? i said i have a NETWORK, i never said i have the server because soldat.
i run several servers and other soldat services (some being coded) for free. Whats the point of making me pay for a service that i give for free? :)
You don't or is that network free of charge?
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soldat should give a chance for devcommunity. they should say if they are able to create it or not. as far i know, opensoldat will probably have own anti-hack. why dont ENESCE and MM talk with some of the devteam to see if that is possible for soldat? or something that will work for both (probably wont fix).
i just dont think BE should be payed for a free game, since BE isnt reaching 100% (or even close) the goal.
Why dont you change the REGISTED SOLDAT parameters? making less options for NON-REGISTED and some extra cool and nice things for REGISTED SOLDAT? atm regtype is useless. 1 reg can be shared and everyone could use all features for free.
Another thing you should think is: Why openSoldat project was made? Soldat future is not only about BE.
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Whats the point of making me pay for a service that i give for free? :)
Then don't pay for it.
Gee, that was difficult.
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yes, the network have bills to pay but.. we have several servers, we have our kind of organization, and im using part of the resources to give some help @ the community.
From: April 27, 2010, 01:48:30 pm
Whats the point of making me pay for a service that i give for free? :)
Then don't pay for it.
Gee, that was difficult.
duh, if i offer the service and i need to pay to have servers online, ofc i will close them all.
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duh, if i offer the service and i need to pay to have servers online, ofc i will close them all.
Where has anyone said it would be required?
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duh, if i offer the service and i need to pay to have servers online, ofc i will close them all.
Where has anyone said it would be required?
i think the thing is: if you dont like my free services, dont use it. others like it.
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duh, if i offer the service and i need to pay to have servers online, ofc i will close them all.
Where has anyone said it would be required?
i think the thing is: if you dont like my free services, dont use it. others like it.
I don't think you understand: no one has said paying for BE is required, so I don't understand why you "need" to pay to have servers online.
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i just dont think BE should be payed for a free game, since BE isnt reaching 100% (or even close) the goal.
Thats a great idea, but if you are programming something for couple of years you want to get something back to you especially money.Soldat is free but BE isn`t. About openSoldat, I think that this project has it`s status atm "Maybe one day we are going to roll again"
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i think BE is not the only way we have to solve this. im not saying SABLE effort is useless, ofc not.
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soldat should give a chance for devcommunity. they should say if they are able to create it or not. as far i know, opensoldat will probably have own anti-hack. why dont ENESCE and MM talk with some of the devteam to see if that is possible for soldat? or something that will work for both (probably wont fix).
i just dont think BE should be payed for a free game, since BE isnt reaching 100% (or even close) the goal.
Why dont you change the REGISTED SOLDAT parameters? making less options for NON-REGISTED and some extra cool and nice things for REGISTED SOLDAT? atm regtype is useless. 1 reg can be shared and everyone could use all features for free.
Another thing you should think is: Why openSoldat project was made? Soldat future is not only about BE.
With all respect, but creating a whole new (and great!) game is not something you do easily. It's hard work, ask MM. He's continuously working on LD for years now and still has a "long" road to go. Personally I think we will never see openSoldat being released. Just look at its current activity. It's like so many of these projects that are so very ambitious in the beginning - only wishful thinking and talking, but the result: nothing. This is not meant to offend those behind openSoldat, but that's just how I see it.
And no, Soldat is not a free game, otherwise MM couldn't live from it, could he? It's called shareware.
Besides, you are right, BE isn't reaching 100%, because it's simply not possible. If you think it sucks, then why do you feel so forced to use and pay for it?
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Besides, you are right, BE isn't reaching 100%, because it's simply not possible. If you think it sucks, then why do you feel so forced to use and pay for it?
like i said, i though ALL SERVERS needed to PAY to have BE active running.
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like i said, i though ALL SERVERS needed to PAY to have BE active running.
No, you only get it if you pay for it. I said I won't continue support at all if there are too few requests.
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i think BE is not the only way we have to solve this. im not saying SABLE effort is useless, ofc not.
It is like "BE or nothing" these days, eC is working on 1.5.1 for so long time and chance to have own anti-cheat for Soldat is about 1%. More important thing is that eC is and I am sure he will work on Soldat only himself without other guys. With this progress we are going to wait months for release.
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With all respect, but creating a whole new (and great!) game is not something you do easily. It's hard work, ask MM. He's continuously working on LD for years now and still has a "long" road to go. Personally I think we will never see openSoldat being released. Just look at its current activity. It's like so many of these projects that are so very ambitious in the beginning - only wishful thinking and talking, but the result: nothing. This is not meant to offend those behind openSoldat, but that's just how I see it.
Well, the difference is that the game has already been created (it's called Soldat, perhaps you've heard of it). openSoldat is planned to be the same game, just coded differently.
The thing about LD taking so long is because it's entirely new - from gameplay concept to how the maps are made and rendered. Soldat, AFAIK, was just a school project MM did long ago. I think we have some talanted people on the team who can do more than just a school-level project.
Also, there is some progress (even though it's rather slow right now), but saying that this project is completely hopeless is rather skeptical. It's not going downhill just yet, so there's still something to hope for.
i think BE is not the only way we have to solve this. im not saying SABLE effort is useless, ofc not.
It is like "BE or nothing" these days, eC is working on 1.5.1 for so long time and chance to have own anti-cheat for Soldat is about 1%. More important thing is that eC is and I am sure he will work on Soldat only himself without other guys. With this progress we are going to wait months for release.
That doesn't mean that picking on $able is the only solution. He has the right to get paid for his work because in my opinion he's achieved good results with BEye. Like I said, another solution would be improving Soldat's own anti-cheat. For that you'd need to pick on MM and NSC, because like it's been said by many - having one person working on the game that is in such a bad state is unreasonable.
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Well, the difference is that the game has already been created (it's called Soldat, perhaps you've heard of it). openSoldat is planned to be the same game, just coded differently.
True, but that doesn't make it any easier to actually create (code). It's still a completely new game.
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It's not going downhill just yet --
It's not going downhill, it's going nowhere.
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sable so what you are saying is that we both have to donate to the 200 euro to mm and also pay a monthly fee / server?
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No, he doesn't want to get fixed amount of money. 200 euros is kinda small comparing to all money he can get paying for every server individually (look at lobby - there are over 200 servers...and who's not greedy now? ;) )
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also what would be considered a large enough number of servers for you too continue?
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... im imagining Snowy. Omg
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No, he doesn't want to get fixed amount of money. 200 euros is kinda small comparing to all money he can get paying for every server individually (look at lobby - there are over 200 servers...and who's not greedy now? ;) )
Most will simply ignore it, therefore I don't expect to come even close to 200 that way.
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I know. Was just trolling a lil' bit. :) I really appreciate all the work and time you put into developing BE.
And seriously - most of the people will just simply turn off BE protection in their servers. Only big hosting companies will be able to afford it.
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And seriously - most of the people will just simply turn off BE protection in their servers. Only big hosting companies will be able to afford it.
Or they could do the smarter thing and (for the free server people) only host a couple of servers rather than a bunch that are used off and on. At the moment there are 498 servers in the lobby and 377 are unused.
For the paid servers, just pass that cost onto the client if he wants protection.
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useless having public, gather and clan servers without BE running.
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useless having public, gather and clan servers without BE running.
True.
Cheaters are everywhere, and they always mess up all servers :(
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Soo.... What are we going to do about it ?
Will we have to pay a tax to continue with BattleEye, or what ?
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useless having public, gather and clan servers without BE running.
Then consolidate your servers and get your users to pay or donate the princely sum of 2 Euros a month.
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why consolidate something thats is giving for free to the community ? i never wanted to earn money from soldat and i will never ask for it when im the 1st one telling that free games shouldn't be payed. 1 thing is VIP regist features, thats ok, another thing is a free service for the community being payed by myself. For that, i stop offering my german, netherlands, france and american servers.
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get ads to pay for BE or screw it...
open source if it ads can't pay the bill.
I personally would never pay 200 euro a month for something like BE (f**king up demos for like half a year, making people have horrible fps drops for 1-2 months). ofc it's obvious Sable wants money for his work, like everyone else would... nobody wastes time during a long period of time without any benefites.
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Well said chap
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why consolidate something thats is giving for free to the community ?
Are you honestly this thick?
1. You want to have BE on your servers.
2. You have 20 servers that aren't being used 90-100% of the time (and probably not even 20%)
3. You don't want to pay for BE on all of those servers.
4. You consolidate those servers down to a number where you can afford BE out of pocket/from donations.
i never wanted to earn money from soldat
Do you understand that if you ask your players to donate/charge 2 Euros a month for BE you yourself are not actually making money because really I'm not sure of anything at this point.
free games shouldn't be payed.
That's nice, but Soldat is shareware. You have to pay money to get access to features.
free service for the community being payed by myself.
If you don't want to take donations or charge, then just don't pay for BE it is literally that simple. You're not getting BE for free, so stop acting like you're entitled to it.
From: April 28, 2010, 12:11:25 pm
what rOx is trying to say that those of us that dont spend money on buying a server from a rental but instead get our own dedicated servers which are way cheaper then renting 20+ servers from say selfkill the cost increases quite much.
for example I pay 25 euro / month for a dedicated server and if I had to pay BE for every single on those soldatservers I host the bill would add up to(if we assume 2 euro / server) somewhere along the line of 125 euro where BE is providing 100(50 soldatservers) euro of that. simply put my bill would increases x 5. And suddenly its not as interesting to provide servers for free to ppl if I have to spend 125 euro / month.
And do you really need 50 servers? I severely doubt it. As I've been saying, consolidate your servers. Put up a rental system similar to SCTFLs for clans, cut down the number of extraneous servers that are rarely used. If clans want a private server, charge them that 2 Euro per month because that is still a stupidly good deal for a server.
this change might mean you guys have to change!!! i know its scary but you can do it!
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some arguing and brainstorming which is good, but there is still no final decisions, and we are pretty much running out of time
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I thought that it is already decided...if you want to have BE secured server you will have to pay for it.
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is it a specific price per each server or per hosting company, any conditions and such?
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2 euros per server? $able correct me if I'm wrong. It would be best for the community if someone who has rights for it make some official news about BE and its future...(How much we have to pay for this service? Terms of paying. Eventually when the BE will be turned off? etc.)
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no mister, i wont pay for a free/shareware game. If you dont pay it, you can play online, you can do the same things you do paying it, so for its free. You have MORE FEATURES if you donate, but without paying we can play together, we can change several things, we can PLAY IT.
So, WHY DA HELL i need to PAY when im giving a free service for the community (I DONT CARE IF THE SERVER IS FREE 99,9999% of time), since the goal was giving more servers and different things for the community.
As i said, openSOLDAT devteam is something REAL, why cant you just ASK them, if they COULD make SOMETHING to SOLVE this? why da hell we are STICKED to BE? FREE = FREE.
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You don't have to pay to run a server. You only have to pay to have BE running on said server (so you don't have to pay if you don't want to).
Soldat is shareware. BE is not. $able is entitled to ask for money for it.
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geez I KNOW that i need to pay to have BE, but i wont pay cuz im serving the community FOR FREE and i wont change that. the thing is: BE is payed, MM knew it before, eC didnt make an effort to make something about it, and opensoldat ppl COULD HELP but no one asked them, im 100% sure. Stop saying "opensoldat isnt happen" cuz everyone wants soldat better, at least i want and i will support everything that grow or improve soldat.
i play soldat since the 1st version, so i know the road MM did, but i thing keeping this sticked to ONE MAN ONLY wont work, but whatever.
ofc its usess if i have my servers online without BE running, leagues wont accept NON-BE servers, gathers without BE are stupid, etc etc etc. for that, i will close them all.
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So do it. Soldat is close to extinction anyway. :)
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Ox*r0x, you're not entitled to free antihack measures, and shutting down your servers because you don't get it is incredibly, incredibly immature. I also doubt any of the powers that be really care if your servers stay up or not.
In short, stop being stupid.
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no, you are the stupid here since the only thing i said was that is USELESS having servers running WITHOUT BE. do i need to make a drawing?
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geez I KNOW that i need to pay to have BE, but i wont pay cuz im serving the community FOR FREE and i wont change that.
Then stop whining, because it's not helping.
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no, you are the stupid here
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since the only thing i said was that is USELESS having servers running WITHOUT BE. do i need to make a drawing?
And you've been given plenty of other viable options, but refuse to do anything other than give the ultimatum "I get BE for free or my servers go down." If you don't see what's immature about this, welp,
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And you've been given plenty of other viable options, but refuse to do anything other than give the ultimatum "I get BE for free or my servers go down." If you don't see what's immature about this, welp,
show me where i said "I get BE for free or my servers go down."
i said IF the only way to solve this is making server owners to pay for it, i will close my servers, since its useless having them without proper antihack. like i care if it will be BE or other OPENSOURCED thing, just dont say "ITS BE or nothing", like i saw some posts before.
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Sorry, should have said "I get antihack for free or my servers go down."
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ok, so keep saying this is the only way to keep this community together. good luck.
i will see what happen and do what i want. soldat grow without this kind of things, and i dont believe making a payed anti-hack thing will keep soldat alive. we will find out later :)
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Look, you pay for server hosts (That's if your servers aren't sponsored ones) anyways, so why not add 2 euros to the bill for BE?
Just don't whine about it, Mr."I'm doing something for the community".
The minute an extra buck gets thrown into your expenditures you decide to give up on serving the community you pretend to love so much?
Way to contradict yourself.
I say we just manage whatever servers are left with admins, either that, or we get a team together, or MM himself decides to turn his attention back at soldat for a minute, and create a new anti-hack engine.
AFAIK there's tons of computer wizz kids in here, might as well do something for the game they "love".
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like i said, i wont pay a cent for it. i expended lots of time coding and making things. MM and eC and sable and others solve it. this is a forum and i have liberty to express myself like i want.
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Look, you pay for server hosts (That's if your servers aren't sponsored ones) anyways, so why not add 2 euros to the bill for BE?
Just don't whine about it, Mr."I'm doing something for the community".
The minute an extra buck gets thrown into your expenditures you decide to give up on serving the community you pretend to love so much?
Way to contradict yourself.
I say we just manage whatever servers are left with admins, either that, or we get a team together, or MM himself decides to turn his attention back at soldat for a minute, and create a new anti-hack engine.
AFAIK there's tons of computer wizz kids in here, might as well do something for the game they "love".
what rOx is trying to say that those of us that dont spend money on buying a server from a rental but instead get our own dedicated servers which are way cheaper then renting 20+ servers from say selfkill the cost increases quite much.
for example I pay 25 euro / month for a dedicated server and if I had to pay BE for every single on those soldatservers I host the bill would add up to(if we assume 2 euro / server) somewhere along the line of 125 euro where BE is providing 100(50 soldatservers) euro of that. simply put my bill would increases x 5. And suddenly its not as interesting to provide servers for free to ppl if I have to spend 125 euro / month.
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I'll pay the fee but we don't know many things yet, like if it's gonna happen even and if it is how much it will cost. However, I am sorry to say, this can't be a permanent solution as the amount of servers that are gonna pay it's not fixed. What will happen if next month some owners don't pay ?
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considering it's going to be pretty expensive to buy BE for every single server, i think the best solution is to install some ads that will pay the 200E/month price at site, forums, pop-up soldat window while running it
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considering it's going to be pretty expensive to buy BE for every single server, i think the best solution is to install some ads that will pay the 200E/month price at site, forums, pop-up soldat window while running it
Next step to grave for Soldat.
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considering it's going to be pretty expensive to buy BE for every single server, i think the best solution is to install some ads that will pay the 200E/month price at site, forums, pop-up soldat window while running it
Next step to grave for Soldat.
so is not having BE or making server owners paying quite an amount for it, there will be some harm either way, we need to decide which way is less harmful than the other. I'd go for ads
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I'd go for more admins in servers. :)
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get ads to pay for BE or screw it...
open source if it ads can't pay the bill.
so is not having BE or making server owners paying quite an amount for it, there will be some harm either way, we need to decide which way is less harmful than the other. I'd go for ads
Soldat was born free to play and will die free to play. Ads are the only solution to: get BE paid and have people do not pay for the game and server owners do not pay more than they're already paying. Every suggested solution has its pros and cons, but even if ads are annoying, they're are the only free-approach to the problem and to prefer some other method is just ridiculous. I doubt BE fee will increase on an increasing number of players, but ads & donations income will. People will not be discouraged by ads here and there and saying: "I stop playing because of ads". That's ridiculous too. Those who like Soldat will continue playing as they did during these years and will be HAPPY to support the game by only surfing on Soldat sites and clicking here and there.
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Or: just drop BE and increase dev team. There are a lot of good coders in soldat scene. Let's build a new anticheat system. Well, that's pretty hard of course and we'll undergo in new obscure times where hackers will reign and those few players will just play on gather/tournaments servers.
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no one cares about ads on soldat.
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Can I assume that other anti cheat programs (Punkbuster, Gameguard) are more expensive/don't work as well?
Otherwise, why not look at these.
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Then what the hell do you want him to do.
The game is free, it will die eventually. Anything free will die out because the population of the game versus the cost outweighs itself.
When there's too many people who love the game but don't contribute then it outweighs how hard the developer has to work to maintain the game.
No money, no game. That's how business works.
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considering it's going to be pretty expensive to buy BE for every single server, i think the best solution is to install some ads that will pay the 200E/month price at site, forums, pop-up soldat window while running it
lmao, you're overreacting just a little bit on the advertisment part.
Ox*r0x, you're not entitled to free antihack measures, and shutting down your servers because you don't get it is incredibly, incredibly immature. I also doubt any of the powers that be really care if your servers stay up or not.
In short, stop being stupid.
it's not immature, he's hosting for free, so why would he pay to provide people with servers if he has to pay? NOBODY in the irc community will be playing on a server that doesn't have BE, so pretty much every free server provider will shutdown if they have to pay.
Can I assume that other anti cheat programs (Punkbuster, Gameguard) are more expensive/don't work as well?
Otherwise, why not look at these.
should be looked up.
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considering it's going to be pretty expensive to buy BE for every single server, i think the best solution is to install some ads that will pay the 200E/month price at site, forums, pop-up soldat window while running it
lmao, you're overreacting just a little bit on the advertisment part.
i mean the pop up window that appears before you start soldat when you're not registered, there were ads about soldat stuff anyway
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Can I assume that other anti cheat programs (Punkbuster, Gameguard) are more expensive/don't work as well?
Otherwise, why not look at these.
should be looked up.
Forget it. They are WAY more expensive. And also, BE obviously costs a lot more in real commercial games. 200 euros is not much at all, even though it's appropriate for Soldat of course.
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Can I assume that other anti cheat programs (Punkbuster, Gameguard) are more expensive/don't work as well?
Otherwise, why not look at these.
should be looked up.
Forget it. They are WAY more expensive. And also, BE obviously costs a lot more in real commercial games. 200 euros is not much at all, even though it's appropriate for Soldat of course.
altho, they wouldn't fuck up a game for 6-8 months ;o, I guess quality costs money. personally if I cared for a game I would almost rather have it dead than having a poor anti cheat coder that has already fucked up the game twice (Enesce having to take the shit for it (the demo bug))...
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Can I assume that other anti cheat programs (Punkbuster, Gameguard) are more expensive/don't work as well?
Otherwise, why not look at these.
should be looked up.
Forget it. They are WAY more expensive. And also, BE obviously costs a lot more in real commercial games. 200 euros is not much at all, even though it's appropriate for Soldat of course.
so if we come up with 200 euro / monthly we still get BE without / server cost or?
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We need an official statement from sable about when and if BE will stop working or what's going to happen finally.
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altho, they wouldn't f**k up a game for 6-8 months ;o, I guess quality costs money. personally if I cared for a game I would almost rather have it dead than having a poor anti cheat coder that has already f**ked up the game twice (Enesce having to take the s**t for it (the demo bug))...
Obviously you know nothing regarding this.
1.) I didn't know about the bug for a very long time, because no one ever reported it to me.
2.) That bug was actually not BE's fault. BE rather showed a bug in Soldat. And no, that's no stupid excuse. I worked around it by using a different method to achieve the same.
3.) Not that it matters at all, but when this bug existed and also when I didn't work on BE at all for some time (due to more important RL stuff), I wasn't paid for it.
From: April 29, 2010, 09:29:25 am
We need an official statement from sable about when and if BE will stop working or what's going to happen finally.
Read my first post in this thread, a few pages back. BE will be turned off in the next few days.
From: April 29, 2010, 09:31:46 am
so if we come up with 200 euro / monthly we still get BE without / server cost or?
That was always the idea.
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When there's too many people who love the game but don't contribute then it outweighs how hard the developer has to work to maintain the game.
eC actively maintains the position of single developer, even though there are peopling willing and have tried to contribute to the development of Soldat.
it's not immature, he's hosting for free, so why would he pay to provide people with servers if he has to pay?
What's immature is refusing to consider alternatives while demanding free antihacking or he shuts down his servers.
NOBODY in the irc community will be playing on a server that doesn't have BE
We have in the past, so
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Assuming that we'll move to a model where server owners have to pay, what sort of a price we'd be talking about? I wouldn't mind paying for BE on per-server basis, but I'd probably only provide BE for more important servers (gathers, SCTFL official servers, my own servers etc). For people I host for free, I'd provide BE for them if they cover the fees of BE themselves (the server itself could still be free). All the gather+sctfl+my own servers I'd probably have around ~15 servers that I'd need BE for. What sort of a price would be talking about for that many servers $able?
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He said 2 Euros per server per month, no bulk discounts.
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its different 200 euros / month for MM or 2 euros per server.
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I host 6 servers ( 5 for money and mine ), 2 euro per server is freaking much for me.
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I wouldn't hesitate to pay, if I would be sure that I can expect bigger improvement of that anti-cheat engine, since month there wasn't any update and there are only more cheaters, not saying update every week and 100% effectiveness cuz it's not really possible..
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I wouldn't hesitate to pay, if I would be sure that I can expect bigger improvement of that anti-cheat engine, since month there wasn't any update and there are only more cheaters, not saying update every week and 100% effectiveness cuz it's not really possible..
There haven't been any new cheats for months, so...?
Btw, I never said the price was going to be 2 euros. It's not final and I will decide if there are enough requests for BE (which I doubt).
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so you would need around 100 servers buying BE for 2E to cover your needs
that leaves the ads the only possibility in this situation
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I haven't played Soldat for a long time so I don't know if you get a lot of hackers in servers nowadays.
What I do know is that 90% of the old-school hackers that made BE necessary in the first place are no longer a problem. I haven't seen Coyote and Rev online at all for almost a year and most of the rest of us just moved on.
I'm sure you know what website I'm talking about and I can tell you that it's dead right now. The old hackers have left/grown up, no new people have come to take the mantle and us old geezers that still hang around talk about anything EXCEPT Soldat.
On one hand, you could stop using BE, save a ton of cash, and cross your fingers that the hackers are all gone.
On the other hand, you might find that all the script kiddies of old may come back to plague Soldat as much as it was back in 1.3.1.
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There haven't been any new cheats for months, so...?
you are so wrong here
http://www.sctfl.net/forums/index.php?topic=21645.0
not sure about rest of the people, but from that list at first:
Ap0Calypse (hacking)
Vendetta (hacking)
and actually I was the one who has spotted as first on gather servers, where later rest of admins/people just confirm it, and as far as I remember one of them has confirmed that he was hacking.
or http://www.sctfl.net/forums/index.php?topic=19701.0
where thanks to xurichs idea with audacity program we can see here (http://imgur.com/gzdWx.png) faster brt reload
There were a few more situations like this, but I'm not going to post all that stuff in here cuz that's not the point, the point is that BE requires more updates, and that's where people get confused, when it comes to paying (for some it's a big amount of money) they expect good results.
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There were a few more situations like this, but I'm not going to post all that stuff in here cuz that's not the point, the point is that BE requires more updates, and that's where people get confused, when it comes to paying (for some it's a big amount of money) they expect good results.
I can only effectively counter things that I know about. Again, there were no new hacks released.
There is no such thing as 100% protection, if you expect that for something like 2 euros per month (or any other amount), you should better not rely on anyone, but instead do it yourself.
I am not going to praise BE, but I think it achieved good results most of the time, especially if you compare the situation to pre-BE times. It even contributed to a hacker community dying out (yes, it did, because this community always lived from Soldat hacks).
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that's what I said, there is nothing like 100% protection, and also we don't expect it, 2 euros indeed is a small ammount, in my situation and not only mine I have way more server to protect so overall I will pay lot more, besides it's not about 2 euro or 0,50 Euro, what is important, it's the overall amount that you will recive, no matter how many people will have to pay some amount.
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BE made a huge difference when it was introduced. It definitely did, no question about it.
The question is whether it would make much of a difference now if it stopped working. As $able said himself, the only major hack community has died. Without the hacking community, there is no need for a costly system to prevent hackers.
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Just a year ago, I my memory hasn't gone to shit, the inf I community saw a huge wave of hackers running around; hacks still do get leaked every now and then.
So it's either each server for itself, or the community does something about it.
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As $able said himself, the only major hack community has died. Without the hacking community, there is no need for a costly system to prevent hackers.
so what, we're going to enjoy soldat without hacks for 1-2 months until new hackers appear and then start worrying about it? Doesn't sound so good, and i'm sure soldat without protection will be tempting for some coders/losers to fuck with it
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BE made a huge difference when it was introduced. It definitely did, no question about it.
The question is whether it would make much of a difference now if it stopped working. As $able said himself, the only major hack community has died. Without the hacking community, there is no need for a costly system to prevent hackers.
The hacks are still out there, aren't they? The people using the hacks (cheaters) don't really care if there aren't so many active hackers anymore. Besides, people like Snowy are still updating their hacks.
The hackers (creators) and cheaters (users) will come back I'm sure, slowly but surely - the cheaters faster probably. That's just the logical consequence of things. New people will always come, especially if BE doesn't prevent them from doing their stuff anymore. The main reason the hacker community died is because there are no new public hacks anymore. And why is that? It's not just because the old people all moved on with their lives.
And btw, from internal data I know that they have never been gone at all. There are A LOT of people who constantly try to use their cheats on servers. And no, that's no propaganda, it's a fact.
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(http://coconutwireless.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/shut-down.jpg)
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the random BE crashes kicks for win7 would have to be fixed if we were paying per server.
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BE made a huge difference when it was introduced. It definitely did, no question about it.
The question is whether it would make much of a difference now if it stopped working. As $able said himself, the only major hack community has died. Without the hacking community, there is no need for a costly system to prevent hackers.
The hacks are still out there, aren't they? The people using the hacks (cheaters) don't really care if there aren't so many active hackers anymore. Besides, people like Snowy are still updating their hacks.
The hackers (creators) and cheaters (users) will come back I'm sure, slowly but surely - the cheaters faster probably. That's just the logical consequence of things. New people will always come, especially if BE doesn't prevent them from doing their stuff anymore. The main reason the hacker community died is because there are no new public hacks anymore. And why is that? It's not just because the old people all moved on with their lives.
And btw, from internal data I know that they have never been gone at all. There are A LOT of people who constantly try to use their cheats on servers. And no, that's no propaganda, it's a fact.
dont wanna loose your money, are you? :)
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BE made a huge difference when it was introduced. It definitely did, no question about it.
The question is whether it would make much of a difference now if it stopped working. As $able said himself, the only major hack community has died. Without the hacking community, there is no need for a costly system to prevent hackers.
The hacks are still out there, aren't they? The people using the hacks (cheaters) don't really care if there aren't so many active hackers anymore. Besides, people like Snowy are still updating their hacks.
The hackers (creators) and cheaters (users) will come back I'm sure, slowly but surely - the cheaters faster probably. That's just the logical consequence of things. New people will always come, especially if BE doesn't prevent them from doing their stuff anymore. The main reason the hacker community died is because there are no new public hacks anymore. And why is that? It's not just because the old people all moved on with their lives.
And btw, from internal data I know that they have never been gone at all. There are A LOT of people who constantly try to use their cheats on servers. And no, that's no propaganda, it's a fact.
dont wanna loose your money, are you? :)
your quite an troll, do you? :)
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dont wanna loose your money, are you? :)
And no, that's no propaganda, it's a fact.
It's my personal opinion. As well as that I am sure that only very few will be willing to pay. Besides, I don't think many care about what I'm writing here.
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when can we expect not working BE?
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Hey Sable,
i dont think its gona work out to just collect requests and than set a price. Too many ppl would request BE and than just change their minds when they see the price for real. We really need you to set a price first. For maybe a half year. Afterwards you can check if it worked out or need to be adjusted or dropped at all.
We could continue flooding this thread for weeks, but i dont think it would help. You need to make things tangible.
From the very beginning not all ppl who think about paying for BE will do it, because some will need to see how it develops. So there needs to be a kind of transition period, where you will keep up your work at it. I see great people in this community, i see no reason why it should be stabbed and injured badly. Give it a real chance to fight.
And i dont understand why u block the bulk model that hard. Of course there is more money to earn with every nose paying, but still a hosting company could get more people into the boat with other ways than just reselling for you.
Still thank you for all the work you already put in BE!
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Lets ignore that BE has been there for, uh, how long?
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Assuming that we'll move to a model where server owners have to pay, what sort of a price we'd be talking about? I wouldn't mind paying for BE on per-server basis, but I'd probably only provide BE for more important servers (gathers, SCTFL official servers, my own servers etc). For people I host for free, I'd provide BE for them if they cover the fees of BE themselves (the server itself could still be free). All the gather+sctfl+my own servers I'd probably have around ~15 servers that I'd need BE for. What sort of a price would be talking about for that many servers $able?
I think he said 2 euros per server or so :o.
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"Btw, I never said the price was going to be 2 euros. It's not final and I will decide if there are enough requests for BE (which I doubt). "
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I get this message today:
"(12:03:58) BattlEye Server: Could not connect to BE Master
(12:03:58) BattlEye Server: Update attempt failed"
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Leo, I think it's pretty much it.
Unless it has updated previous times successfully.
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Also I have no BE kicks at my CTF server since many hours which is actually not possible except if BE stopped working.
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May 1st, nobody paid. Bye bye BE
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i got yhis message
BattlEye Server: Failed to resolve BE Master 'soldat1.battleye.com'
BattlEye Server: Update attempt failed
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It's dead, no detections, no kicks.
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Mm whats the the BE icon still being next to server name then?
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BE servers are still running with soldatservers, they just can't connect to master server so they don't really work.
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so technically BE is gone even though the icon is there yes?
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Yeah, it doesn't work at all.
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I give soldat 4 months- No, make that 2 months- To go haywire.
Happy cheating, to all the losers...(Yes, cheating makes you a loser)
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It works but it will not get any further updates. Correct me if I am wrong.
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No, it doesn't work at all.
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R.I.P. BattleEye.
Good having you with us.
Michal, hope you find a good answer for our Non-Started-Yet-Hack-Problem.
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(http://saysomethingfunny.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/rest-in-peace.jpg)
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No, it doesn't work at all.
(http://www.upload.ee/image/550317/BE.png)
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No, it doesn't work at all.
(http://www.upload.ee/image/550317/BE.png)
Great, but there is problem that soldat server is unable to connect to the BE lobby server so protection doesn`t work.
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Just one question, if MM has been paying you to make this. Isn't all what you coded his? (since he kinda seems to be your boss)
It does work like that at my work.
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Just one question, if MM has been paying you to make this. Isn't all what you coded his? (since he kinda seems to be your boss)
It does work like that at my work.
He paid for the protection, not the code itself.
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On the bright side, I can play online on most servers from my mac with Crossover, though I'm still in favor of putting BE back in. I'd give money, but I can't right now.
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appears there are ads now.... so I guess we will have BE next month or so...
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All hope is not lost, Soldat 1.5.1 will have a vastly improved Anti-Cheat using modern routines and mutating code in common 'cheating' memory regions (Not activated in the beta), and with the inclusion of automating updating in both server/client; we will be able to roll out cheat fixes faster. Also the beta server for 1.5.1 has most devastating hacks completely obliterated. Like the damage multiplier crap.
As for BattlEye, we are still working on a solution.
I really want to get 1.5.1 out as soon as possible, but I still need help in testing ~ please update your betas to 1.5.1.12 and update any tickets in the bug tracker. Especially people that are getting < 60 FPS.
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(Not activated in the beta)
I can see the failure coming...
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(Not activated in the beta)
I can see the failure coming...
I won't be enabling it prior to a Release Candidate. Giving cheaters early access to it would be stupid. But I guess there is always someone who wants to turn positive news into negative, eh?
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Also the beta server for 1.5.1 has most devastating hacks completely obliterated. Like the damage multiplier crap.
What happens if the unreliable udp protocol clones a packet? I've actually seen this happen in online games while monitoring soldat's packets.
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Yeah I have updated my beta and fps looks good (over 100), but why I have two aim cursors? =p It`s like aim with red one to kill everything and don`t miss.
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It's like integrated aimbot or something.
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seems like 1.5.1 is going to be a good version :) anyways, as far as I remember, MM has stopped paying because the BE cost has raised, ok.
in case we wouldn't make the payment from adds or private paying wouldn't work somehow how about, ask MM to pay the amount he payed and we will just pay the difference, I'm pretty sure the ads would handle the difference cost, that's just an emergency idea
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Let's make decide to MM and Enesce if Soldat really need BE. If it doesn't, just give ads money to soldat developers.
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it does seem they have dropped the idea of keeping BE.
I do see MM has added ads, however, I do not know if it's out of greed or to try to pay BE off.
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it does seem they have dropped the idea of keeping BE.
I do see MM has added ads, however, I do not know if it's out of greed or to try to pay BE off.
The guy's giving you a free service on a 2D massively (I mean massively) multiplayer game, and in the process of creating another.
He needs funds.
On topic: How will the updates work, NSC?
Will they need to be installed outside of soldat with an updater, or just downloaded directly when registering to the lobby, or what?
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All hope is not lost, Soldat 1.5.1 will have a vastly improved Anti-Cheat using modern routines and mutating code in common 'cheating' memory regions (Not activated in the beta), and with the inclusion of automating updating in both server/client; we will be able to roll out cheat fixes faster. Also the beta server for 1.5.1 has most devastating hacks completely obliterated. Like the damage multiplier crap.
As for BattlEye, we are still working on a solution.
I really want to get 1.5.1 out as soon as possible, but I still need help in testing ~ please update your betas to 1.5.1.12 and update any tickets in the bug tracker. Especially people that are getting < 60 FPS.
Well lets hope this will be as good as it sounds :) I think the person was implying that there may be numerous bugs if you haven't released it in the betas :/ ?
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like i said, i dont believe BE was the ONLY AND FINAL solution for soldat.
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like i said, i dont believe BE was the ONLY AND FINAL solution for soldat.
No need to get EMOTIONAL over a 2D game' anti-cheating engine.
Question: NSC do you have an ETA for the release of 1.5.1? (Depending on current testing figures)
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Yeah I have updated my beta and fps looks good (over 100), but why I have two aim cursors? =p It`s like aim with red one to kill everything and don`t miss.
New feature, called: Aim-lag. See more info here. http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=38082.0
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this isn't really a bad thing tbh hackers where still there even with BE it was so easy to bypass it and now i don't have any ingame lag anymore weird isn't it. no more fake kicks, hoeray!
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this isn't really a bad thing tbh hackers where still there even with BE it was so easy to bypass it and now i don't have any ingame lag anymore weird isn't it. no more fake kicks, hoeray!
More cheaters*, hurray!
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this isn't really a bad thing tbh hackers where still there even with BE it was so easy to bypass it and now i don't have any ingame lag anymore weird isn't it. no more fake kicks, hoeray!
More cheaters*, hurray!
I've already seen a bunch.
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NO BE = XFIRE, FRAPS SHOOZZA CHAT MODE AND OTHER STUFF WORKS AGAIN! NO LAGS, NO FPS DROPS, NO MORE FAKE KICKS. :]
(http://www.elinfiernitoguitarshop.com/noticias_foto/2008696666hurra.jpg)
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NO BE = XFIRE, FRAPS SHOOZZA CHAT MODE AND OTHER STUFF WORKS AGAIN! NO LAGS, NO FPS DROPS, NO MORE FAKE KICKS. :]
(http://www.elinfiernitoguitarshop.com/noticias_foto/2008696666hurra.jpg)
I'd rather enjoy 5 minutes without hackers and be kicked for a knife bug than playing an entire day, trying to put up with someone's "Not hax, lagz".
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NO BE = XFIRE, FRAPS SHOOZZA CHAT MODE AND OTHER STUFF WORKS AGAIN! NO LAGS, NO FPS DROPS, NO MORE FAKE KICKS. :]
(http://www.elinfiernitoguitarshop.com/noticias_foto/2008696666hurra.jpg)
I'd rather enjoy 5 minutes without hackers and be kicked for a knife bug than playing an entire day, trying to put up with someone's "Not hax, lagz".
knife bug kick is server side, not trough BE.
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NO BE = XFIRE, FRAPS SHOOZZA CHAT MODE AND OTHER STUFF WORKS AGAIN! NO LAGS, NO FPS DROPS, NO MORE FAKE KICKS. :]
(http://www.elinfiernitoguitarshop.com/noticias_foto/2008696666hurra.jpg)
I'd rather enjoy 5 minutes without hackers and be kicked for a knife bug than playing an entire day, trying to put up with someone's "Not hax, lagz".
knife bug kick is server side, not trough BE.
Wait, what?
OK, then let's say I'd rather be kicked for AFK'ing.
Gotta learn more about BE ;/
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Please stop quoting pictures.
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Stupid kids, anyone ever told you about what "priorities" means ?
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Please stop quoting pictures.
there was no picture there when I quoted, retarded fuck.
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BE was inconvenient for non-hackers too, with the random kicks and 1-minute bans and regular game-disruptive uploads.
Priority # 1 - Don't fuck up the game for non-hackers, if you desire for them to continue playing the game
Good riddance
Better off just making specific servers for hackers, maybe they'll f**k off and stay there?
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Better off just making specific servers for hackers, maybe they'll f**k off and stay there?
I don't think so...
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Please stop quoting pictures.
there was no picture there when I quoted, retarded f**k.
oh wow
If you managed to quote the picture it was actually there.
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focus to the topic.
this is kind of topics that dont need retard pictures.
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Please stop quoting pictures.
there was no picture there when I quoted, retarded f**k.
oh wow
If you managed to quote the picture it was actually there.
my browser might have failed then. I always removes images from quotes.
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Your browser is not the one to blame
retard
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Your browser is not the one to blame
retard
you are the one to blame? kk, end of discussion.
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Your browser is not the one to blame
retard
you are the one to blame? kk, end of discussion.
Before calling someone "retarded f**k" be sure your statement is true
Douchebag.
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Can't even describe how your 'flame' is related to the thread
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focus to the topic.
this is kind of topics that dont need retard pictures.
Listen to this guy before I start warning you all.
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What about more ads @ gamestartup (for non-registered players) prehaps ads they have to click once before they can start the game?
I must say one thing though.. (I know this has been debated heavilly and such) Merging soldat with Steam would fix the cheating problem, as valve releases the VAC (Valve Anti Cheating) SDK to each and every partner they have. It will also put soldat under more attention (Bigger platform = More attention) EXPECIALLY as the "base" version will be free and the expanded version will be sold for 10+ bucks (I dont know the current price of soldat)
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What about more ads @ gamestartup (for non-registered players) prehaps ads they have to click once before they can start the game?
I must say one thing though.. (I know this has been debated heavilly and such) Merging soldat with Steam would fix the cheating problem, as valve releases the VAC (Valve Anti Cheating) SDK to each and every partner they have. It will also put soldat under more attention (Bigger platform = More attention) EXPECIALLY as the "base" version will be free and the expanded version will be sold for 10+ bucks (I dont know the current price of soldat)
true but i suppose its not easy to add SOLDAT to the steam game list.
theres no reason for steam to add tht games to their list, because they cannot profit of it.
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MM. Let's try to do it. Talk with valve. I bet they will merge your game with steam and add vac to it. You will win. Forever.
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No, Fox, just no.
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WHYYYYYYYY?!
/headdesk
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Because it's not worth it.
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MM. Let's try to do it. Talk with valve. I bet they will merge your game with steam and add vac to it.
WILL.
NOT.
HAPPEN.
Get over it.
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It'd involve MM paying Valve money he obviously doesn't have.
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Or we could all just use IRC, If only it was xFire compatible
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Apparently attempts have already been made to try and get Soldat on Steam, but Valve has rejected the game.
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Apparently attempts have already been made to try and get Soldat on Steam, but Valve has rejected the game.
It's like attempt to get Minesweeper with MP scores there...
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Steam sucks its the worst thing ever to happen to the gaming community
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Steam sucks its the worst thing ever to happen to the gaming community
Yeah you need to buy(WTF?!!?!!) steam games to play them, how sucky.
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Steam sucks its the worst thing ever to happen to the gaming community
Best joke 2010....
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Steam sucks its the worst thing ever to happen to the gaming community
Care to elaborate?
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okay so someone give an update of the current situation? hows the future looking like now?
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okay so someone give an update of the current situation? hows the future looking like now?
As far as I can tell, horrible.
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Yeah you need to buy(WTF?!!?!!) steam games to play them, how sucky.
I take it you don't have money... or if you do, you don't have a way to use it online.
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Main reason why soldat can't be added into a steam game list, is that soldat is crap game to play comparing to other steam games (thinking about the hits and basically net code that isn't written properly)
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haven't said a word about game play, read what's in the brackets
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Hi there
First of all, I'm not used to post in English so you will have to excuse my bad use of the language.
I have three ideas to solve this problem:
- Community Ads (for the same cause): This means that not only www.soldat.pl will have ads, but sctfl site, nasoldat site, soldat.com.ar, soldat.br and all sites who want's BE in their servers will. Understanding that this is a problem that affect us all
- IRC Ads: This point is a little bit tricky, because i don't know any script that send publicity to an IRC channel, but I'm thinking in a "reminder bot" on every Soldat channel with people in it =/, like #nasoldat, #sna.gather, #soldat.match, and all that stuff. Reminder notes like; "Have you clicked today, visit www.soldat.pl and help us" or "We don't need cheaters in our game, please click the ads on (insert soldat site here)"
- Loading Screen with Ads: A preview image or even a web-site, that shows notices of the community, understanding 'community' like all sites of Soldat who wants appear in front page, and some Ads, this would be a a way to reward that sites who help Soldat and a way to wining a little bit of money from the Ads. This could be an optional feature and configurable from Config.exe
Finally say that don't underestimate point 1, there's so much people that plays this game that doesn't even know the official forums. I have played since 2005 here in Chile and only in 2008 i meet the sctfl and the international leagues.
Bye.
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All of your ideas have already been mentioned here, multiple times as well, the problem is, the "soldat lovers" just don't love it enough to give a shit and do something about it :/
What we need right now, before ads, is some efing spirit in here.
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Can implenting the new anti-cheat programm like this (http://www.soldat-tr.com/dosyalar/dosya.php?id=56) temporary solve the roblem atl least for server owners?
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Current state is ridiculous. Any idiot can download a trainer and screw with people on any server. So, if you wanted to know if Soldat can run without any anticheat - no it can't.
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ye, I've got about 15 hackers every day on my server, because its so easy to hack now. Soldat really needs some anti-cheat thingy.
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For flag hacks you can just use a simple timer effect and then banhammor through script if he caps like in <5 seconds after respawn.
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For flag hacks you can just use a simple timer effect and then banhammor through script if he caps like in <5 seconds after respawn.
that isn't too smart...
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but a solution till we get some anti hack implementation
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not even close to a solution.
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not even close to a solution.
I have to agree, sadly.
We need something to cover all forms of hacks, not just tele's.
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I know and I agree that scripting will never completely help to hold the server clean from hackers - but especially in climbing server or other very small game modes, you can implement such little scripts which will do the job good imo.
But let's see what's coming in 151 since NSC said he has some anti-hack put into soldat.
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I know and I agree that scripting will never completely help to hold the server clean from hackers - but especially in climbing server or other very small game modes, you can implement such little scripts which will do the job good imo.
But let's see what's coming in 151 since NSC said he has some anti-hack put into soldat.
This is just going to make us wait for the release next months and the built-in security will get hacked in few weeks anyway.
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Hmmm, soldat beta is in RC stage.
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I know and I agree that scripting will never completely help to hold the server clean from hackers - but especially in climbing server or other very small game modes, you can implement such little scripts which will do the job good imo.
But let's see what's coming in 151 since NSC said he has some anti-hack put into soldat.
This is just going to make us wait for the release next months and the built-in security will get hacked in few weeks anyway.
You're right, didn't think about this.
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I know and I agree that scripting will never completely help to hold the server clean from hackers - but especially in climbing server or other very small game modes, you can implement such little scripts which will do the job good imo.
But let's see what's coming in 151 since NSC said he has some anti-hack put into soldat.
This is just going to make us wait for the release next months and the built-in security will get hacked in few weeks anyway.
Days if not weeks, maybe even hours if some people decide to stay up for a long time.
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We'll just have to see how it goes, it is nothing like what they have experience with. I haven't managed to break it myself yet, but I'm a bit rusty in that regard :P. Either way, it will be an improvement. I cbf checking my post history in this topic, but I think I already explained some of it.
The Soldat Portal account system will also help greatly.
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You're doing great EnEsCe. And I'm not just saying this because we have the same last name. Keep up the good work.
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You're doing great EnEsCe.
Ditto. I don't really need to say why.
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To take donations is "risky", since you might not reach the monthly fee every month, and since BE is not something like electricity deliverers, one missed month might screw it up for the next month (since BE needs on-going updates).
Hehe, but that's the good thing.
Haven't payed ? Play with hackers!
BE good or no BE for you ^_^
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The Soldat Portal account system will also help greatly.
Thats the key
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http://uac2.com ? UrbanTerror players uses it in Clanbase matches since few weeks.
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http://uac2.com ? UrbanTerror players uses it in Clanbase matches since few weeks.
I saw some SWAT 4 clans using it, apparently it's effective.
But when I was using it Soldat wasn't on their list of games.
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Hi there
First of all, I'm not used to post in English so you will have to excuse my bad use of the language.
I have three ideas to solve this problem:
- Community Ads (for the same cause): This means that not only www.soldat.pl will have ads, but sctfl site, nasoldat site, soldat.com.ar, soldat.br and all sites who want's BE in their servers will. Understanding that this is a problem that affect us all
- IRC Ads: This point is a little bit tricky, because i don't know any script that send publicity to an IRC channel, but I'm thinking in a "reminder bot" on every Soldat channel with people in it =/, like #nasoldat, #sna.gather, #soldat.match, and all that stuff. Reminder notes like; "Have you clicked today, visit www.soldat.pl and help us" or "We don't need cheaters in our game, please click the ads on (insert soldat site here)"
- Loading Screen with Ads: A preview image or even a web-site, that shows notices of the community, understanding 'community' like all sites of Soldat who wants appear in front page, and some Ads, this would be a a way to reward that sites who help Soldat and a way to wining a little bit of money from the Ads. This could be an optional feature and configurable from Config.exe
Finally say that don't underestimate point 1, there's so much people that plays this game that doesn't even know the official forums. I have played since 2005 here in Chile and only in 2008 i meet the sctfl and the international leagues.
Bye.
Hi, How is this topic?
I'm from argentinian community and this idea can work! especially the first point. I'm willing to colaborate by placing a banners on frontpage of soldat.com.ar
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BE is already ditched.
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lol like 90% of the players didnt even notice that its gone..
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lol like 90% of the players didnt even notice that its gone..
Oh they did. I see many cheaters. At least one a day.
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lol like 90% of the players didnt even notice that its gone..
Oh they did. I see many cheaters. At least one a day.
1 per day is less then 90% lol , + some guys who follow the forums..
even guys who re using irc asked me why their servers are showing up the "cannot connect to soldat.battleye.com" message.
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there has been a while now since some ads are on forums and soldat.pl and sup with that? would be great if you would keep the community in touch with all this stuff, imo they should have already earn quite good amount.
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there has been a while now since some ads are on forums and soldat.pl and sup with that? would be great if you would keep the community in touch with all this stuff, imo they should have already earn quite good amount.
Like 2 dollars and 76 cents.
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obviously not (http://www.cubestat.com/www.soldat.pl)
Website Worth: $9,020.61
Daily Pageviews: 4,119
Daily Ads Revenue: $12.36
prolly it's not $12.36 a day always but it should be around it.
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well, BE was just a joke and ruined soooo many demos.... and since MM has already payed be by himself for half a year, I don't see a reason to bitch about him taking some ads payment...
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obviously not (http://www.cubestat.com/www.soldat.pl)
Website Worth: $9,020.61
Daily Pageviews: 4,119
Daily Ads Revenue: $12.36
prolly it's not $12.36 a day always but it should be around it.
That website is complete bullshit btw
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That website is complete bulls**t btw
Dont think so.. Basicly the website is for new players and its kept simple.
There is a big download button + some screenshots, so its easy to know how to get the game
It supports several Languages (most game pages dont)
Everything else is included on that website as well.
Onliest thing missing in my opinion is a proper Game Trailer.
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I think that he was talking about cubestat page...
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I think that he was talking about cubestat page...
not really sctfl.net has ads and it pays for about half of the server cost. and it has much less traffic then soldat.pl or forums.soldat.pl
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I was talking about cubestats, which just takes your Alexa rating/Google PageRank/etc and then uses ~magic math~ to arrive at an ad revenue number
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This might be a little late but I'd be interested in seeing how many people would be willing to pay a monthly fee in order to keep BattleEye going. People are quitting left and right and it's hard to go into a public server nowadays without finding hackers.
Personally I'd be willing to donate $10/month.
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$10 a month for an anti-cheat-solution for a game which is nearly dead and not maintained any more?
Ehm...No. I would pay (even monthly) for the further development of Soldat which includes the anti-cheat measurements. And that would be less than $10. I can get full featured MMORPGs for almost this amount of money. And there I know that I will get new content regularly, bugfixes and mostly see a growing user-base.
Bring Soldat back to life and you can have my money. :-*
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Bring Soldat back to life and you can have my money. :-*
Mine too
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Personally I'd be willing to donate $10/month.
I'd do the same if needed.