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Misc => The Lounge => Topic started by: -Major- on August 28, 2010, 02:21:36 pm
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so about them... why don't people believe in such things?
Why are people skeptical even tho unexplainable things happen?
even tho I'm not sure if it's just denial of the ghost part, however, ghost could just be seen as supernatrual... which makes it more of a question why people refuse to accept super natural things even tho the happenings are unexplainable by simple human (non supernatrual) logic.
soooo... Do you believe in ghosts/supernatrual things or not? if you don't... why don't you? if you do, then you can just share your opinion ^^
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I believe in them. Death is only the beginning < Whether this is cheesy or from some movie I dunno, but I believe it.
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I'm not sure if I belive in ghosts or just some 4th dimension creature.. or some invisible creatures (like IR light etc stuff) that are quite intelligent.
Altho, since "experts" says it's ghosts... I lean more towards calling it ghosts than some creature.
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Death is only the beginning < Whether this is cheesy or from some movie I dunno, but I believe it.
You just quoted The Mummy. ಠ_ಠ
Ghosts are as unbelievable to me as fairies, trolls, and gods. If you don't have reliable physical proof of something, it's just hearsay.
That being said, those things could exist, but if you're going to accept one supernatural creature based on blind faith, you might as well accept them all. And that's a long list of things to accept.
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ussualy toilet papers doesn't roll out themselves, nor does the stairs run themselves. those things are quite ussual, so is door knocking.
Obviously people could be lying, but I don't see why people would.
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Death is only the beginning < Whether this is cheesy or from some movie I dunno, but I believe it.
You just quoted The Mummy. ಠ_ಠ
Ghosts are as unbelievable to me as fairies, trolls, and gods. If you don't have reliable physical proof of something, it's just hearsay.
That being said, those things could exist, but if you're going to accept one supernatural creature based on blind faith, you might as well accept them all. And that's a long list of things to accept.
Bolloxs. I saw that on holiday, but I believed it before I saw it. Oh well, common ideology. I have my own views on what death brings.
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Explaining away an anomaly with superstitions like ghosts is a defining characteristic of ignorance. I try really hard to be tolerant of people's beliefs, but when I hear someone talk about ghosts I immediately consider him/her an idiot.
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Explaining away an anomaly with superstitions like ghosts is a defining characteristic of ignorance. I try really hard to be tolerant of people's beliefs, but when I hear someone talk about ghosts I immediately consider him/her an idiot.
So your saying these anomalies couldn't be influenced by the consciousness of the recently deceased? Which would be a round-about definition of 'ghost'.
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Explaining away an anomaly with superstitions like ghosts is a defining characteristic of ignorance. I try really hard to be tolerant of people's beliefs, but when I hear someone talk about ghosts I immediately consider him/her an idiot.
So your saying these anomalies couldn't be influenced by the consciousness of the recently deceased? Which would be a round-about definition of 'ghost'.
Right because consciousness is a product of the brain
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Explaining away an anomaly with superstitions like ghosts is a defining characteristic of ignorance. I try really hard to be tolerant of people's beliefs, but when I hear someone talk about ghosts I immediately consider him/her an idiot.
So your saying these anomalies couldn't be influenced by the consciousness of the recently deceased? Which would be a round-about definition of 'ghost'.
Right because consciousness is a product of the brain
it is, read dan brown's the lost symbol.
god such ignorants.
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I don't believe in ghosts, but I do believe in demons. Everything people think of a ghosts is just demons having their fun.
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Explaining away an anomaly with superstitions like ghosts is a defining characteristic of ignorance. I try really hard to be tolerant of people's beliefs, but when I hear someone talk about ghosts I immediately consider him/her an idiot.
So your saying these anomalies couldn't be influenced by the consciousness of the recently deceased? Which would be a round-about definition of 'ghost'.
Right because consciousness is a product of the brain
it is, read dan brown's the lost symbol.
god such ignorants.
what
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Explaining away an anomaly with superstitions like ghosts is a defining characteristic of ignorance. I try really hard to be tolerant of people's beliefs, but when I hear someone talk about ghosts I immediately consider him/her an idiot.
well, ghost is just an easy word for it. super natrual things are ussualy considered as ghosts.
however, unless you have a better idea what's going on you shouldn't really judge others. mostlikely you're running around calling people of higher intelligence than you idiots... which will pretty much only make you look stupid in the end.
I don't believe in ghosts, but I do believe in demons. Everything people think of a ghosts is just demons having their fun.
hmm well.... wouldn't a ghost be pretty much a demon? or do you suggest demon as a creature?
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What makes them "of higher intelligence", the fact that they invented something without hard proof to explain the unexplainable?
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What makes them "of higher intelligence", the fact that they invented something without hard proof to explain the unexplainable?
that is a better than ignoring it, and say it never happened.
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ussualy toilet papers doesn't roll out themselves, nor does the stairs run themselves. those things are quite ussual, so is door knocking.
Obviously people could be lying, but I don't see why people would.
Do you also believe in fairies that exchange teeth for money? And a man who comes to your house to give you presents if you've been good all year but coal if you've been bad?
There are plenty of reasons for people to lie about things like this. Attention-seeking, for example, or getting your kids to behave, or for the fun of telling a good story, or because it's a silly tradition. Some people may see or hear things based on natural phenomena: paranoia and other hallucinations, the natural movements of houses as the temperature changes, there is even some evidence that a certain bass frequency can induce feelings of dread and discomfort in subjects.
Again, if there is no reliable evidence for these things, you might as well believe in all supernatural phenomena. So the greater question then becomes "Why don't you believe in fairies, the chupacabra, will-o'-the-wisps, Santa Claus, the Loch Ness monster, Men in Black, Bigfoot, the yeti, gnomes, demons, sprites, etc.?"
Or if you do believe in all of those things, what don't you believe in? Where do you draw the line between evidence and fantasy?
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ussualy toilet papers doesn't roll out themselves, nor does the stairs run themselves. those things are quite ussual, so is door knocking.
Obviously people could be lying, but I don't see why people would.
Do you also believe in fairies that exchange teeth for money? And a man who comes to your house to give you presents if you've been good all year but coal if you've been bad?
There are plenty of reasons for people to lie about things like this. Attention-seeking, for example, or getting your kids to behave, or for the fun of telling a good story, or because it's a silly tradition. Some people may see or hear things based on natural phenomena: paranoia and other hallucinations, the natural movements of houses as the temperature changes, there is even some evidence that a certain bass frequency can induce feelings of dread and discomfort in subjects.
Again, if there is no reliable evidence for these things, you might as well believe in all supernatural phenomena. So the greater question then becomes "Why don't you believe in fairies, the chupacabra, will-o'-the-wisps, Santa Claus, the Loch Ness monster, Men in Black, Bigfoot, the yeti, gnomes, demons, sprites, etc.?"
Or if you do believe in all of those things, what don't you believe in? Where do you draw the line between evidence and fantasy?
eh... this was just too stupid to even answer on.
you're basically asking something like this "how do you know that cancer is a real sickness?" it could just be something the doctors make up to receive. donations.
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That's because cancer actually exists and manifests themselves in forms of benign and malignant tumors, both big and small. One tumor got weighed in as 140 pounds. That's pretty solid evidence there.
The fact is that phenomenas such as ghosts only manifest themselves when you believe in them, in Vijcht's words, as hallucinations and paranoia.
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Ones I feared only dead..
But something happened, something with enough proof of ghost existence.
So now I only fear ghosts...
Besides, it's enough to know just a few people which experienced something with ghosts in their live to start believing in them...
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As much as I really do hate to disagree with you VijchtiDoodah, I don't believe that if people believe in ghosts they also by default believe in gnomes/santa/fairies/etc.
Personally, I do (to an extent) believe in ghosts, as in they're spirits of afterlife stuck temporarily on earth until they have the motivation or potential to f**k off. People in certain parts of my family have a history of seeing them. (myself included)
I don't believe in ghosts in the voodoo sense, am well convinced that 99% of seers are fake bulls**tters, and know that faries/gnomes/etc are totally fake. (although I really wish gnomes were real; that'd be badass as fuck)
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I do believe!
Watch that movie: Paranormal Activity
It's freaking awesome!
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That's because cancer actually exists and manifests themselves in forms of benign and malignant tumors, both big and small. One tumor got weighed in as 140 pounds. That's pretty solid evidence there.
The fact is that phenomenas such as ghosts only manifest themselves when you believe in them, in Vijcht's words, as hallucinations and paranoia.
have you seen the tumor being taken out with your own eyes? otherwise that's not solid proof. even if you had, I haven't seen it with my own eyes, so you could just be lying.
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This is equally as retarded as religion - Nay, more so. People of faith are at least in most cases indoctrinated from an early age. -Major- and jrgp chose to believe in spirits.
So why do you believe in spirits, jrgp? What convinced you? Did you and your family actually see one clearly as he was juggling around the furniture, or did you just assume it was a spirit because something innocent occurred like a pen dropping from a table or a sock disappeared in the washing machine? In that case it's more likely that the Dutch are behind it as Dutch people are at least well-documented despite only being around for a few centuries. There's millions of paintings, photos and videos of dutch people. You can have conversations with them, you can touch them and they can even touch you back. But there's never been any decent evidence of spirits existing in the millions of... Hmm... Speaking of which - For how long has humans had souls to be turned into spirits? Since the Homo Sapiens branch? Since we were damn dirty apes? Reptiles? Fish? Sea sponges?
-Major-: youtube for "tumor." Now wiki it. Do you really think every Doctor, medical researcher and medical journal in the world is out to get you? Are you really that sold for conspiracy theories?
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-Major-: youtube for "tumor." Now wiki it. Do you really think every Doctor, medical researcher and medical journal in the world is out to get you? Are you really that sold for conspiracy theories?
He's just doing the usual "how do we know that ANYTHIGN is real??" defense of indefensible theories. It's useless to argue against because every response is "but how do you KNOW that." You could go down the path of explaining the ideas of Hume, Popper, et. al. and how humans and scientists reason towards as objective of an understanding of reality as possible, but at the end of it he'd still repeat the same line.
I don't mind people believing in things like ghosts or spirits, but holy f**k is it annoying when they try and rationalize it within the context of physics or philosophy.
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I don't believe in ghosts, but I do believe in demons. Everything people think of a ghosts is just demons having their fun.
hmm well.... wouldn't a ghost be pretty much a demon? or do you suggest demon as a creature?
Ghost implies a restless human spirit or soul. Demon is part of the 3rd banished from heaven.
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lol... so the toilet paper spinning out fast, and continuing even after being stopped, even ripping having the paper deattach from the roll thingy (they are slightly glued together)?
and no, the tumor example was that everyone could lie.. so practically everything could be a set up. there are tons of people reporting super natural things occurring. and he believe EVERYONE of them are lying.
-Major-: youtube for "tumor." Now wiki it. Do you really think every Doctor, medical researcher and medical journal in the world is out to get you? Are you really that sold for conspiracy theories?
I don't mind people believing in things like ghosts or spirits, but holy f**k is it annoying when they try and rationalize it within the context of physics or philosophy.
well... it's a way to prove it... if they can affect physical things then obviously there's something physical about it.
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soooo... Do you believe in ghosts/supernatrual things or not? if you don't... why don't you?
I do not because there is no solid evidence of it. Why believe in things without empirical proof?
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and no, the tumor example was that everyone could lie.. so practically everything could be a set up. there are tons of people reporting super natural things occurring. and he believe EVERYONE of them are lying.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
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I don't doubt the possibilities because there is no valid explanation, but I can't be bothered to give a damn about something if it doesn't affect me in my daily life.
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Watch that movie: Paranormal Activity
I tried to watch it with some friends, but they kicked me out of the room for laughing all the time these stupid things happened. Never seen such a ridiculous movie before ;D
I share 4yo's opinion as well, and jrgp must be smoking the stuff BoneCrusher posted pictures of ;)
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I do believe!
Watch that movie: Paranormal Activity
It's freaking awesome!
No, no reason to believe in ghosts because of that movie, they say its real but its not, i looked up the official website for that movie, not ONE part of that video is true, its based off of "events" that happened to the producer and he decided to throw them all together in a movie.
Off topic: They're making a new Paranormal 2.
On the other hand, i believe in ghosts to a certain extent.
They're entertaining, makes chills run up your spine, and they're creepy.
To me, a ghost is just energy left over from someone.
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Watch that movie: Paranormal Activity
I tried to watch it with some friends, but they kicked me out of the room for laughing all the time these stupid things happened. Never seen such a ridiculous movie before ;D
I share 4yo's opinion as well, and jrgp must be smoking the stuff BoneCrusher posted pictures of ;)
Next time don't be such a dick or you won't have friends to watch a movie with.
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So why do you believe in spirits, jrgp? What convinced you? Did you and your family actually see one clearly as he was juggling around the furniture, or did you just assume it was a spirit because something innocent occurred like a pen dropping from a table or a sock disappeared in the washing machine?
We've seen fady iterations of people who used to be alive. And not with the help of the bad shit BoneWhoever posted.
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Next time pull up your cellphone and take a picture. You'll be famous if you can capture an actual ghost on camera.
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Next time pull up your cellphone and take a picture. You'll be famous if you can capture an actual ghost on camera.
They're not around long enough for that to work. And the people who do/can see ghosts are nonchalant about it and don't care about fame.
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And the people who do/can see ghosts are nonchalant about it and don't care about fame.
You mean those people who used to wear shirts with long sleeves and babble stupid things?
Those are not trustwhorthy.
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And the people who do/can see ghosts are nonchalant about it and don't care about fame.
You mean those people who used to wear shirts with long sleeves and babble stupid things?
Those are not trustwhorthy.
No... I don't.
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It's hard to discuss about something that's like ethics, no? :|
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Next time pull up your cellphone and take a picture. You'll be famous if you can capture an actual ghost on camera.
I had one once ^^. that my cousins girl friend took and just sent to my cousin.
for some reason some blur face 8ish year old boy in swim pants stood behind her (in her room)... sadly this was something like 6 years ago, so I don't have the pic left anymore.
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(although I really wish gnomes were real; that'd be badass as f**k)
I could really use some shoe gnomes... :)
you're basically asking something like this "how do you know that cancer is a real sickness?" it could just be something the doctors make up to receive. donations.
That's an unfortunate example you chose: I experimented on cancer cells for two years, specifically the lung cancer line ChaGo K-1 (http://www.biocompare.com/ProductDetails/1838663/ChaGo-K-1.html). These were harvested from a 45 year old man by experienced surgeons (or morticians) using aseptic techniques, so there's a very low probability that it's anything other than cancer. And considering the tens of thousands of physical cancer specimens, in vitro and in vivo throughout the world and the mountains of scientific evidence for their existence (just ask FLAB) and the effectiveness of treatments based on cancer research, all using proper peer-reviewed scientific methods, you would have to concede that it's nearly impossible that cancer is some figment of our collective imaginations.
Compare that to ghosts in which not a single reliable sample has been collected, there's no reliable way to detect them or to force them to appear, the fact that most anecdotal stories, if we can depend upon witnesses to tell the truth, can be explained by non-supernatural phenomena, and for which there is no functional theory explaining their existence.
This exact criteria fits all manner of supernatural phenomena based on anecdotal evidence, so if you insist that it's reason that drives you to believe in ghosts rather than emotional feelings, for example, then you should also believe in all other similar supernatural creatures and more. If you don't believe in those other things, it only indicates that you believe in ghosts for personal reasons regardless of a powerful lack of evidence.
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I don't have evidence of faries do I? I personally don't care much about ghosts, I just find it funny how some people denies things so fanaticaly.
whenever something cannot be explained, it's either hassled away or the person must be lying.
also, I'd rather have the world end as you die than becoming some ghost. so me believing in ghosts goes against my "hopes".
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Explaining away an anomaly with superstitions like ghosts is a defining characteristic of ignorance. I try really hard to be tolerant of people's beliefs, but when I hear someone talk about ghosts I immediately consider him/her an idiot.
So your saying these anomalies couldn't be influenced by the consciousness of the recently deceased? Which would be a round-about definition of 'ghost'.
Right because consciousness is a product of the brain
it is, read dan brown's the lost symbol.
god such ignorants.
what
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i watch tv shows about this junk man
i know what i'm talkin' bout
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It's ridiculous that you create a topic for something that doesn't interest you much - at least you stated that you don't care.
I think everyone knew that you have no evidence of fairies before you explained that, but I thought this was about ghosts..
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It's ridiculous that you create a topic for something that doesn't interest you much - at least you stated that you don't care.
I think everyone knew that you have no evidence of fairies before you explained that, but I thought this was about ghosts..
I think I stated it in the first post. I am interested in peoples opinions, and no, I am not especially interested in ghosts and super natural things.
The fairies was to VijchtiDoodah that seem to have difficulties reading.
there are lots of evidence of ghosts, but pretty much none of fairies etc etc - probably because people just care less about them. DC you really should try to read a post before you start posting. the thread is only 3 pages long, it shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to read up.
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there are lots of evidence of ghosts
Maybe if you repeat this enough, it will eventually become true.
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there are lots of evidence of ghosts
can you point us to some of this evidence?
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To be really honest, I never cared if there is a ghost or not.
But I have this sense that there is SOME kind of wierd spirit (in this case: ghost), because my toy car's wheels are keep moving even it doesn't have batteries to be controlled. Even when I'm in the room with the toy car, it just moves by itself, giving me the "wtf? how?" thoughts.
Basically, it's either my eyes are not functioning, someone's fucking around with the toy, or there actually is some kind of thing (ghost) that's fucking around with me.
I'll be pissed if that's the reason why I sometimes couldn't find my homeworks because of ghosts.... riiiiiiiight
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I just find it funny how some people denies things so fanaticaly.
No, you don't. But for you it's easier to pretend like I'm a fanatic than to actually mount a logical rebuttal. Hence the following lines where you attempt to make yourself look like a victim in some sort of plot to censor your opinion about ghosts:
whenever something cannot be explained, it's either hassled away or the person must be lying.
When, in reality, I've simply pointed out that you have no evidence or, at best, a dearth of unreliable, unscientific evidence. If that's "hassling" someone, then you should see the cruelties applied to scientists trying to publish any peer-reviewed research. Those researchers all go through that particular gauntlet for their fields but, interestingly, it's too much to "hassle" ghost hunters for evidence.
That is an indefensible position.
Now stop shoveling the bulls**t. I don't enjoy having my time wasted.
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Now stop shoveling the bulls**t. I don't enjoy having my time wasted.
Feels like you just lowered yourself to Major level, Vij :|
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Now stop shoveling the bulls**t. I don't enjoy having my time wasted.
Feels like you just lowered yourself to Major level, Vij :|
To me it felt like he ascended to demigod level.
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I really wish I could believe in ghosts, 'cause it'd be nice to think I could keep in contact with the people I've lost, or even keep contact when I die myself. However, I just can't see any logics behind it in a natural sense.
Why would only humans have ghosts, since we're just animals with a higher intelligence quote?
Why would a ghost manifest itself in loud footsteps on the ceiling, or a tv turning on even if unplugged to get your attention, when it could just go "Hey man!"?
Why is it so impossible that once you die, you're dead, and that's it?
If a ghost is a loved one that has reason in this world yet, and so hasn't crossed to the other side(I believe that is the common belief, no?), why would said entity not choose a little more quality time since he/she was here? Grab a beer with your son, take your nephews to the playground.. It's not like you're crossing over anytime soon, right?
And also, I gotta say I completely agree with Vijcht on this.. if you believe in ghosts, you really might as well believe in anything supernatural. There's more proof to suggest the existence of ghosts than unicorns, you say? Well, not really. All the "experts" with their fancy methods that they credit as definite proof are, sorry to say, a bunch of fucking morons. What's the deal with waving two metal rods in the air, and claiming that ecto-plasm(or whatever it's called) makes it point in a direction relevant to the ghost? "See, they're moving all by themselfs! Good golly, if that isn't proof, I don't know what is!..". Suck on dicks, that is not science.
I think the main reason for my disbelief is this: No one has ever been proven right about their sightings, but a whole lot of people have been proven wrong. Now, I would love to be convinced of the existense of ghosts, but until someone has undeniable proof, it just isn't for me.
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you either believe in logic or ghosts, don't try to have a logical discussion with major since it's pretty obvious he doesn't follow it
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Now stop shoveling the bulls**t. I don't enjoy having my time wasted.
Feels like you just lowered yourself to Major level, Vij :|
To me it felt like he ascended to demigod level.
I second this.
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so VijchtiDoodah, how do you explain 2 meters of toilet paper was rolling out by itself, stopping it was easy, however, when the grip was removed it continued to roll out even detaching the paper from the roller.
are you gonna cry out "no proof!!"?
ghosts doesn't need scientific proof to be believes. if something happens and it cannot be explained by todays technology and logic, then there must be something that we don't know what it is. Ghosts is the most spoke of thing, even if it isn't exactly a ghost, but some spirit/demon or whatever. it's still a "ghost" (because it's the broadest genere, and most used).
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so VijchtiDoodah, how do you explain 2 meters of toilet paper was rolling out by itself, stopping it was easy, however, when the grip was removed it continued to roll out even detaching the paper from the roller.
are you gonna cry out "no proof!!"?
Really because a unicorn knocked on my door last night and told me that there are no such thing as ghosts. I recorded the conversation, but its audio only so you can't tell its a unicorn, it just sounds like I'm talking to Vijch over the phone.
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We can clearly see that you can only repeat the same bulls**t over and over again. Drop it.. stop wasting everyone's time..
@Below: Pure ignorance.
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you're doing exactly what I said you would do. probably VijchtiDoodah got an intelligence level above an elementary schooler.
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Now stop shoveling the bulls**t. I don't enjoy having my time wasted.
Feels like you just lowered yourself to Major level, Vij :|
To me it felt like he ascended to demigod level.
Only if he had locked down the thread. It's otherwise just an empty bark. If you want to slam the lid, slam it all the way.
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so VijchtiDoodah, how do you explain 2 meters of toilet paper was rolling out by itself, stopping it was easy, however, when the grip was removed it continued to roll out even detaching the paper from the roller.
are you gonna cry out "no proof!!"?
ghosts doesn't need scientific proof to be believes. if something happens and it cannot be explained by todays technology and logic, then there must be something that we don't know what it is. Ghosts is the most spoke of thing, even if it isn't exactly a ghost, but some spirit/demon or whatever. it's still a "ghost" (because it's the broadest genere, and most used).
lol at everything about this post
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so VijchtiDoodah, how do you explain 2 meters of toilet paper was rolling out by itself, stopping it was easy, however, when the grip was removed it continued to roll out even detaching the paper from the roller.
are you gonna cry out "no proof!!"?
ghosts doesn't need scientific proof to be believes. if something happens and it cannot be explained by todays technology and logic, then there must be something that we don't know what it is. Ghosts is the most spoke of thing, even if it isn't exactly a ghost, but some spirit/demon or whatever. it's still a "ghost" (because it's the broadest genere, and most used).
You know, just because there are certain things science cannot explain [yet] doesn't mean it's a ghost thing either. That is really the problem with your 'belief', or rather the problem with the people who cling to it.. it seems they're so convinced about it that they credit anything that seems out of the ordinary to something supernatural. I'm not saying there isn't more to the world that meets the eye, in fact I like to think there is, but one should be careful about demanding an explanation so bad, that you jump to early conclusions.
I'm not saying ghosts don't exist.. for all I know, they do. But I have yet to be convinced, and in terms of science, I like the conventional approach rather than the paranormal one, simply because the latter take unproven theories for hard facts. Doing that is the number one do-not in the rulebook of science.
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so VijchtiDoodah, how do you explain 2 meters of toilet paper was rolling out by itself, stopping it was easy, however, when the grip was removed it continued to roll out even detaching the paper from the roller.
are you gonna cry out "no proof!!"?
That's the kind of s**t occurrence that I don't believe in. Your toilet paper roll is probably right in the path of an air vent or something. I don't believe ghosts can touch or interact with anything physical; they're just transparent images with thoughtful faces you'll occasionally see. All that stuff about "things go bump in the night" are bullshit cliches.
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so VijchtiDoodah, how do you explain 2 meters of toilet paper was rolling out by itself, stopping it was easy, however, when the grip was removed it continued to roll out even detaching the paper from the roller.
are you gonna cry out "no proof!!"?
That's the kind of s**t occurrence that I don't believe in. Your toilet paper roll is probably right in the path of an air vent or something. I don't believe ghosts can touch or interact with anything physical; they're just transparent images with thoughtful faces you'll occasionally see. All that stuff about "things go bump in the night" are bulls**t cliches.
well, the stairs ran (really loud) up and down 3-4 times and then the door knocked. but that's not as good evidence, because theoretically there could be somebody running the stairs very very loudly in a house next to this. the door could actually have been some pranker.
however, the toilet paper is hard evidence.
a vent couldn't make it roll either... unless it's VERY strong air so that the scale type friction would be so large that the top would spin away (meaning, the friction on both the upper side and lower side of the paper got the same friction. however, if you use a angular thingy (place a ball under a stick, then you can get more power depending on how long each side is) then the friction could get higher on the upper side... but for 1mm to count you'd need some extreme wind power....).
obviously those things are hard to believe, even tho many report similar incidents (even some that are very much more physical). it's just denial and/or incomprehensible, which makes you not believe in it (calling stuff fake etc, even tho some I guess is fake or a missunderstanding).
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well, the stairs ran (really loud) up and down 3-4 times and then the door knocked. but that's not as good evidence, because theoretically there could be somebody running the stairs very very loudly in a house next to this. the door could actually have been some pranker.
Checked your stuff already?
however, the toilet paper is hard evidence.
a vent couldn't make it roll either... unless it's VERY strong air so that the scale type friction would be so large that the top would spin away (meaning, the friction on both the upper side and lower side of the paper got the same friction. however, if you use a angular thingy (place a ball under a stick, then you can get more power depending on how long each side is) then the friction could get higher on the upper side... but for 1mm to count you'd need some extreme wind power....).
The ghost obviously tried telling you to refrain from using your fingers to wipe your arse. Or it's something usual like jrgp explained.. it's as easy as that.
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however, the toilet paper is hard evidence.
a vent couldn't make it roll either... unless it's VERY strong air so that the scale type friction would be so large that the top would spin away (meaning, the friction on both the upper side and lower side of the paper got the same friction. however, if you use a angular thingy (place a ball under a stick, then you can get more power depending on how long each side is) then the friction could get higher on the upper side... but for 1mm to count you'd need some extreme wind power....).
The ghost obviously tried telling you to refrain from using your fingers to wipe your arse. Or it's something usual like jrgp explained.. it's as easy as that.
there is no vent close to it, also, I don't have a jet engine as a vent.
I really do hope you're no older than 13.
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a vent couldn't make it roll either... unless it's VERY strong air so that the scale type friction would be so large that the top would spin away (meaning, the friction on both the upper side and lower side of the paper got the same friction. however, if you use a angular thingy (place a ball under a stick, then you can get more power depending on how long each side is) then the friction could get higher on the upper side... but for 1mm to count you'd need some extreme wind power....).
What is "strong air" ?
What is "scale type friction" ?
What do you mean by "friction A and friction B have the same friction" ?
You lost me even more completely by the "angular thingy" talk.
When the roll of paper has been used once (meaning the start of the paper is no longer glued to the roll) the paper will hang down from the roll, and when you give it a little pull and let go, the whole roll will "magically" un-roll itself, because the hanging (falling in fact) paper's small weight is enough to keep the momentum going. Really you should try that. Now it's only a matter of "what gave the initial pull ? " ..
ghosts?
You could have bumped it very slightly when turning around. Actually pretty much anything can make the roll roll. It is very unstable.. and this has actually happened to me several times, the whole roll rolling to the floor FAST. Rolling it back is a pain in the ass (pun intented) as it goes back on all crooked.
But hey, why believe in gravity (just a theory) when there's cooler stuff to believe in like ghost etc.
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(http://www.human-academy.com/images/naturvetenskap/havstang.gif)
however... the little pin the roll is on does not have the same diameter, roughly 2/3 of the rolls diameter. so for a wind to make it roll, you'd need the friction to be able to lift something like 50 grams.
there is no logical explanation for it, thus it's a super natural phenomena, which is heavily referred to as ghost.
there is no possibility to be "wind", and even if there was a possebility, there's no source for the wind. making it roll by physical contact is also impossible, mainly because it wasn't touched prior the rolling (no, I don't suffer from CIP or any similar disorders).
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umm.. no offence but it seems to me your reasoning is very shallow and you outright dismiss some aspects of this physical problem.
however... the little pin the roll is on does not have the same diameter, roughly 2/3 of the rolls diameter. so for a wind to make it roll, you'd need the friction to be able to lift something like 50 grams.
If the pin had the same diameter, it would actually be much harder to make the TP roll to the floor, because 1) much more contact therefore much more friction and 2) the roll would be much more stable on the pin. Why 50 grams, and why should it be LIFTED? Shifting to one side (yes, then it will begin to lift as well, but that seems more like a side-effect) would do the trick, as this gives the TP roll potential energy, and when letting go this energy wants to return the TP to its balance position - and VOILA...
there is no logical explanation for it, thus it's a super natural phenomena, which is heavily referred to as ghost.
So you are saying that naturality as such is defined by and limited to your ability of logical reasoning? Like.. if I wear a red shirt and you can't explain logically why I wear it (and not a green one) then me wearing a red shirt is a supernatural phenomenon?
there is no possibility to be "wind", and even if there was a possebility, there's no source for the wind.
Isn't that kind of a ... tautology? Anyway this sentence is not making sense.
making it roll by physical contact is also impossible, mainly because it wasn't touched prior the rolling (no, I don't suffer from CIP or any similar disorders).
BTW, wind also counts as physical contact, and wind is generated when you move around, especially in a small room such as a WC.
I really suggest you read over your post before you click "post".
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do you have any idea what you are talking about?
first off, if the diameter of the roll and the pin got the same, then there's obviously gonna be a wheel inside (so it would spin as easily as a cycle wheel). 2nd, there is NO WAY a vent or wind caused by a persons movement to make toilet paper roll. why don't you go and test on your own?
To make it roll, you'd need to life the bottom, to the flip to roll, because it won't glide (unless you have extreme wind power).
There is no possibility that a wind made the toilet paper to roll out, and 2ndly, there is no vent or any other thing that could cause a substantial amount of wind power.
physical contact in this context means a human would make it roll. an object wouldn't interact with the toilet paper without a person making the object interact with the toilet paper.
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...because everyone knows that people are the sole source of any kind of interaction
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Who would have expected anything else from -Major- than "do you have any idea what you are talking about?".. I have seen toilet paper doing that before, because of the opened bathroom window and the door to the balcony in my room.
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DC you should probably get permanently banned, your trolling isn't very successful.
There is no vent, the bathroom is in the cellar, so there are no windows.
There are no other things that would interact with the toilet paper (such as a vacuum cleaner being turned on).
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There is no vent, the bathroom is in the cellar, so there are no windows.
There are no other things that would interact with the toilet paper (such as a vacuum cleaner being turned on).
Must I believe in ghosts now? You have no video and not even a picture, how is this a proof?
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no, but you could act in a manner that isn't "*closing eyes and holds for my ears screaming bullshit*".
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It's like religion, you either believe in one or you don't. You can't beat people to believe in what you believe in (so you are actually on one level with all these stupid people from the middleage).
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oh wow
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dark crusade watching you debate is like reading every pompous 12 year old internet debater opinion come together at once
everyone has heard it before and you just keep saying the same thing over and over
SCIENCE SCIENCE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING SCIENCE SCIENCE RELIGION
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Clearly, a ghost dog needs to take a dump, so it came into your bathroom and grabbed your attention, ran to the bottom of the stairs, saw you weren't following, ran back up to get you, ran back down and tapped on the door to ask to be let out. My dog would do that.
So things are moving in your house for no apparent reason. You assume that it's supernatural, then that it's sentient, then that it's a dead thing, then that it's specifically a ghost as defined by ancient superstition and modern s**tty television. Why? Why can't it be a bunch of unconnected and totally random events?
Not anything against you. I don't know if there are ghosts and I don't give a s**t, though I do doubt their existence. But people whose 'open-mindedness' allows them to ignore real science tend to all just flow into the same very specific pseudoscience. Ask anyone what they'd do if they were a ghost, I don't think anyone will answer 'go to stranger's houses and play with toilet paper'. If there are invisible things, even invisible intelligences, and this can somehow be proven, there's no reason to assume it's life beyond the grave.
Just for the record, I believe that animals have strong senses of intuition (trends of runaway pets in weeks preceding earthquakes, for example), and in some cryptids. I also believe that Ghostbusters is the best theme song ever written.
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first off, if the diameter of the roll and the pin got the same, then there's obviously gonna be a wheel inside (so it would spin as easily as a cycle wheel)
Yes I know what i am talking about, but i'm afraid You do not.
First off, if you want to be technical in terms, then if the diameter of the roll would be the same as the pin, the roll would not fit on the pin, so the pin's diameter HAS to be smaller. When they fit like a glove, there is MAXIMUM FRICTION, therefore MINIMUM MOVEMENT! Are you saying the laws of physics have changed overnight and nobody remembered to tell me?
Second, had you ever opened a bicycle wheel (or ANY wheel actually, besides ancient ones) or ever opened a physics book, you would know that the thing that makes a bicycle wheel spin so smooth is LUBRICATED BALL BEARINGS.. not simply a pin in a hole that fits like a glove, so your analogy was way off i'm afraid. You can test these principles very easily using random household objects for example. I strongly urge you to do so if you intend to reply to me again.
To make it roll, you'd need to life the bottom, to the flip to roll, because it won't glide (unless you have extreme wind power).
This just didn't make any sense at all, so it's hard to argue this... (which does not mean you are right)
physical contact in this context means a human would make it roll. an object wouldn't interact with the toilet paper without a person making the object interact with the toilet paper.
Replace "object" with "wind", and you are actually agreeing with what I said (in your own special way though), that you make wind, and that wind moves the paper.
But the important part is to understand that the wind your movements generate, doesn't have to move the roll itself, it only has to move the loose end that is hanging down (and this does not require extreme wind power), which in turn MAY make the whole roll starting to roll, and from that point it will rather (than slow or stop) gather momentum since the hanging paper can only get heavier (in the sense that there is more and more of it) and the roll itself gets only lighter, as more and more paper rolls off it. Its really BASIC principles IMHO.
Have you ever heard of chaos theory? You know, the stuff about SMALL changes in conditions amounting to something much bigger over time (in this case)
I don't want to be cocky or sh-t, but i DO enjoy a debate.. as long as it stays interesting. And please notice I have not said anything about ghosts not existing or existing, I just think the rolling toilet paper is not an argument in favor of them existing. As I said also, I have had this happen to me several times, its annoying as hell, but it never occurred to me to blame it on ghosts.
And think about a person seeing magnetism for the first time, crazy witchcraft... but actually just physics.
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lol... why would I explain to you how a wheel works? obviously I expect people to know how the mechanics work.
I count the rolls diameter as the inside (not the roll itself), if you had above a normal persons intelligence you would understand that. - I do not want to spend some extra 4-5 sentences to explain how I would measure the diameter.
a theory is a theory because it isn't proving, using a theory to rule out my theory is down right retarded.
you seem to have very little knowledge in physics, a normally intelligent person would understand that a wind still room cannot produce enough wind power to roll a toilet paper roll. The paper itself weight so little that it cannot keep forcing a speed, and will lose it's speed very quickly as the factor that started the roll disappears.
you can test this by going to your bathroom and take a toilet paper roll and pull downwards width quite some force. the roll will stop spinning after some 10-20 cm of paper has rolled out (after you have let go).
I do like debates as long as it keeps me interested. I do not enjoy debating with people like you or DC.
The ghost itself musn't be a ghost. some philosophies/theories suggest there being unlimited amount of worlds existing in the same world (every possibility), now if these other worlds could interact with the world I feel consciousness in. then the interaction or the thing/person that interact with my world would be called a ghost. probably because ghost has been used for those things for so long, that it would unofficially or officially still be called a ghost. - now, this was just an example how the word itself has very little meaning. however, your low intelligence would probably translate it as that I suggest there being unlimited of proxy worlds.
The magnetism is a semi good example, it is very fascinating but I wouldn't call it the same. because you can reproduce magnetism whenever you want, even at the time when it was unknown how it worked (by repeating the same pattern of actions that were done the first time around).
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lol... why would I explain to you how a wheel works? obviously I expect people to know how the mechanics work.
obviously you can´t explain how a (modern) wheel works, if you yourself don't know, which you already proved with your analogy.
I count the rolls diameter as the inside (not the roll itself), if you had above a normal persons intelligence you would understand that.
This is called a henchmen argument, and makes you look stupid. If the roll's hole's diameter is the same as the pin's diameter, then the roll would sit very tightly on the pin and would spin poorly or only by applying force to the roll itself, since pulling the paper would make the paper tear off before making the roll spin. That was all I said.
a theory is a theory because it isn't proving, using a theory to rule out my theory is down right retarded.
You mean chaos theory?
I think you downright IGNORING an existing and PROVED theory, is a bit more retarded than me using a proved and working theory to rule out your arbitrary and UNPROVED theory. Don't you?
you seem to have very little knowledge in physics, a normally intelligent person would understand...
Now you are just insulting out of the blue. F U, i was polite to you, and this is the answer, seriously F U.
The paper itself ...
Actually there are MANY different brands of TP in the world, they differ in weight, smoothness (friction!) , how loosely they are wrapped, and also the material of the pin is an issue, if it is wood or metal, or plastic - again friction comes to play. You would have to THOROUGHLY test this situation considering ALL these variables, before you can say "There is NO WAY this can happen" like you do. Just because you can't understand something does not mean it does not exist.
I do like debates as long as it keeps me interested. I do not enjoy debating with people like you or DC.
People like WHAT?
You are the one who keeps insulting people, and does not even respect them enough to write text that is coherent and/or understandable. Seriously some of your sentences just don't make any sense..
some philosophies/theories suggest there being unlimited amount of worlds existing in the same world (every possibility), now if these other worlds could interact with the world I feel consciousness in. then the interaction or the thing/person that interact with my world would be called a ghost. probably because ghost has been used for those things for so long, that it would unofficially or officially still be called a ghost. - now, this was just an example how the word itself has very little meaning. however, your low intelligence would probably translate it as that I suggest there being unlimited of proxy worlds.
You are resorting to semantics now.. sad really. I don't care about the definition of ghost, since it means something mystical anyway. I know about the theorys of multiverses etc, its ok when scientists propose them in order to try to explain our reality, but using them for your little TP incident is just outright LAME.
Why do you prefer wild untested mystical theorys to ones that actually have proof and are ALREADY universally accepted ?
The magnetism is a semi good example, it is very fascinating but I wouldn't call it the same. because you can reproduce magnetism whenever you want, even at the time when it was unknown how it worked (by repeating the same pattern of actions that were done the first time around).
That is not really saying something, because you could also reproduce the TP unrolling, if only you knew what caused it. I would think many medieval people would be scared of magnetism and would not try to reproduce it, they would call it witchcraft, exactly the same you are doing now.
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a theory can't be fully proved.
the tp roll cannot have been rolled by wind power, which is what I'm saying, try rolling it yourself, it WON'T roll itself out. no matter what brand you're using.
Some are afraid of witchcraft and ghosts, some aren't. it would just require somebody that is not scared of such things to try it.
you keep arguing about something that is completely irrelevant, which makes you the same as DC.
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a theory can't be fully proved.
You are an idiot to say things like that, and I don't feel like wasting time explaining this to you, maybe you should explain once to me why this should be like that?
the tp roll cannot have been rolled by wind power, which is what I'm saying, try rolling it yourself, it WON'T roll itself out. no matter what brand you're using.
Totally wrong, and unless you bought TP of every brand you are not in position to say something so stupid.
Some are afraid of witchcraft and ghosts, some aren't. it would just require somebody that is not scared of such things to try it.
Ridiculous.
you keep arguing about something that is completely irrelevant, which makes you the same as DC.
Right, we are arguing about something completly irrelevant. Ghosts and toilet paper.
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the tp roll cannot have been rolled by wind power, which is what I'm saying, try rolling it yourself, it WON'T roll itself out. no matter what brand you're using.
Totally wrong, and unless you bought TP of every brand you are not in position to say something so stupid.
I do not, some things never exceed a specific value, and some things just cannot happen.
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a theory can't be fully proved.
That depends on the standards of proof.
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a theory can't be fully proved.
That depends on the standards of proof.
Wasn't gravity a theory before it was proved?
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I like how this same debate happens every someone uses the word theory
A theory is the accepted explanation for a phenomenon as its predictions correspond to observable reality and are repeatable. We call theories proven because of this, despite the fact that a theory cannot be proved in the sense of a mathematical equation. Theories do not evolve into laws.
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Accepted explanation? There are houndreds of thousands of theorys that are not.
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yes, which is why you wouldn't use a theory to out rule another theory, you would use something that is scientifically proven.
once it's scientifically proved it's not really a theory anymore, either the definition of theory is not important in this subject.
This thread has gone way out of hand because some kids can't stick to the subject, but instead starts whining about lack of explanation in reasoning, even tho such a thing isn't needed (it's so obvious it needs no explanation).
a theory can't be fully proved.
That depends on the standards of proof.
Wasn't gravity a theory before it was proved?
I'm not sure who you are referring to, but gravity was a theory before it was fully proved. now it's not a theory anymore, but rather a rule/law.
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Accepted explanation? There are houndreds of thousands of theorys that are not.
Then that's not a theory. Maybe a hypothesis.
yes, which is why you wouldn't use a theory to out rule another theory, you would use something that is scientifically proven.
once it's scientifically proved it's not really a theory anymore, either the definition of theory is not important in this subject.
A theory is something that has been scientifically proven, catch up here now
The scientific definition of a theory is not the same as the popular definition. If you're going to talk about science, use the scientific definition.
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oh well, it's just words, since it's offtipic, it's not important (if it was I would've looked it up at the first encounter).
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there are lots of evidence of ghosts
Extrordinary claims require extroardinary evidence. Where is the extroardinary evidence Major? Why are you going on about toilet paper rolling? What the fuck are you talking about?
once it's scientifically proved it's not really a theory anymore
DC you should probably get permanently banned, your trolling isn't very successful. (Doesn't understand what trolling is, thinks if someone is disagreeing with him it's trolling)
have you seen the tumor being taken out with your own eyes? otherwise that's not solid proof. even if you had, I haven't seen it with my own eyes, so you could just be lying. (IS this guy serious?)
I'm not sure if I belive in ghosts or just some 4th dimension creature.. or some invisible creatures (like IR light etc stuff)
Oh that's right you're clearly fucking retarded.
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All signs point to major being a troll, he should be banned.
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Major I believe you! I saw my toilet paper running down the stairs once, it was scary :D :o ???
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Well...yeah. This forum has gone so far down the drain that talking about a roll of toilet paper actually picks it back up again?
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Its funny how Major says that using a scientific theory against his hypothesys (ghost are a hypothesys rather than a theory) is retarded..
But he himself is practically "proving" his own "theory" by saying that other theorys dont explain it, therefore his theory is more likely true... now its that is not retarded I dont know what is.
This reminds the classic statements that
"if science cant explain it, it must be god"
and another classic
"evolution is just a theory"
relativity is still called a theory, even though it has been confirmed over and over again during the last hundred years.
Major, are you saying that if a theory is finally "fully proved" it can be put to rest and no further development of the theory is necessary?
Do you also think that for example the pythagoras theorem is "just a theorem" because maybe somewhere in some deep jungle there is a triangle that defies it?
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what your retarded brain can't get is that I'm not saying that it's a descended human that is causing this. I am saying something that cannot be explained with todays science did it. so be it an invisible animal or another dimension, heck even some proxy world interacting with my world.
Do you call it "the gravity theory"? or do you call it "the law of gravity"?
Evolution IS a theory? or do you have solid proof that it isn't? even though we probably agree with the same theories of how animals etc developed. The evolution theory includes big bang (I think atleast, I've not really put much mind towards this), which is rather hard to get hard proof of. especially now when some other theory of the world going under and starting up again continually
@Dascoo, I know very well what trolling is, even tho I pretty much stopped trolling myself, I was more active a year ago or so.
I do hope you're younger than 9, it's at about that age you should be able to understand what I'm doing. - other useful intellectual features are also featured at that age, such as sarcasm.
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what your retarded brain can't get is that I'm not saying that it's a descended human that is causing this. I am saying something that cannot be explained with todays science did it. so be it an invisible animal or another dimension, heck even some proxy world interacting with my world.
Just because an occurence may be unexplanable by the current understanding of science, it doesn't mean it can never be explained. Sure, it could be an invisible animal or something in another 'dimension', but it doesn't make much sense unless you justify those hypotheses. It's not very useful to posit an explanation without some sort of justification, as it explains fuck all as it has no basis.
Do you call it "the gravity theory"? or do you call it "the law of gravity"?
Evolution IS a theory? or do you have solid proof that it isn't? even though we probably agree with the same theories of how animals etc developed. The evolution theory includes big bang (I think atleast, I've not really put much mind towards this), which is rather hard to get hard proof of. especially now when some other theory of the world going under and starting up again continually
I call it 'gravitational theory'. It wouldn't make sense to call it the 'law of gravity' as scientific laws are merely mathematical/functional statements which explain fundamental principles of science, and always hold under stated conditions. Like for example, the Second Law of Thermodynamics always holds within a closed system(we're talking macroscopically here). A theory never becomes a law, as they're two completely different concepts.
Evolution is a fact. We observe evolution and there are thousands of examples of observed speciation and transitional fossils to back that up. However, the explanation of this observed fact is theory, namely the Theory of Evolution By Natural Selection. This has nothing to do with the Big Bang model of a caused, tensed universe as Evolution explains the diversity of life, not the origin of the universe. Also, there is evidence of the Big Bang model, such as the cosmic microwave background and to an extent, the universe's expansion(which is also evidence by the CMB).
@Dascoo, I know very well what trolling is, even tho I pretty much stopped trolling myself, I was more active a year ago or so.
I do hope you're younger than 9, it's at about that age you should be able to understand what I'm doing. - other useful intellectual features are also featured at that age, such as sarcasm.
I hope you are trolling now, because if you aren't then you have no understanding of science and the scientific method, nor do you understand what the difference between Evolution, Abiogenesis and the Big Bang Theory.
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All signs point to major being a troll, he should be banned.
What are you integrating remnants with respect to?
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So you say what cannot be explained today never happened? way to be ignorat... and yet again... you fail to see what this argue is all about, like most other people, you slide off the subject and the first posts.
I said it's an unnatural behavior from the toilet paper roll, which the only explanation.
Farah, another uneducated post from you, and yes, YOU call it "gravitational theory".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_law_of_universal_gravitation
I probably have about the same clue as you have about the evolution theory. since you were wrong just before, it means you can certainly be wrong again, same goes for me.
This was pretty much about how people deny things that have happened, or trying to explain it with unreal things (which is even harder to believe than ghosts).
either way, everyone is gonna stick to their thought, so this discussion is useless.
(and yes, I know you're gonna say "so one person must change their mind for it to be a discussion of value?" and the answer is... the answer is already in the statement, if you're gonna stick to your thought no matter what comes forth in the discussion, it's like talking to a wall - which is pointless.)
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I call it 'gravitational theory'. It wouldn't make sense to call it the 'law of gravity' as scientific laws are merely mathematical/functional statements which explain fundamental principles of science, and always hold under stated conditions. Like for example, the Second Law of Thermodynamics always holds within a closed system(we're talking macroscopically here). A theory never becomes a law, as they're two completely different concepts.
The Law of Gravity is just an application of the inverse square law, hence why it's a law. A gravitational theory would be something that attempts to explain the why of gravity. Additionally the Second Law still holds in microscopic conditions, as it's a probabilistic law.
Can we just stop replying to -Major- aka Banana-san because it should be pretty clear he's a moron at this point
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I call it 'gravitational theory'. It wouldn't make sense to call it the 'law of gravity' as scientific laws are merely mathematical/functional statements which explain fundamental principles of science, and always hold under stated conditions. Like for example, the Second Law of Thermodynamics always holds within a closed system(we're talking macroscopically here). A theory never becomes a law, as they're two completely different concepts.
The Law of Gravity is just an application of the inverse square law, hence why it's a law. A gravitational theory would be something that attempts to explain the why of gravity. Additionally the Second Law still holds in microscopic conditions, as it's a probabilistic law.
Can we just stop replying to -Major- aka Banana-san because it should be pretty clear he's a moron at this point
so it's being a moron to not ignore events? I don't enforce you to believe it, but atleast don't ignore it. if you don't care about it at all, you shouldn't even be replying. (and no, I'm not very interested in ghosts, but rather why people deny it so much, these kind of things do happen to people quite often).
Then the gravitational theory isn't proven. the relativity theory should be called relativity principal if it was fully proven. well, I'm quite horrible at my home language, yet even more so in english. (so trying to have a grammar/spelling battle to prove your point is just pointless, I'm not gonna defend it)
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It's already painful enough to read your posts, -Major-, and not (only) because of your really bad understanding of English grammar and orthography. The irony is, that everything you say about other people (stupid/trolling/"speaking against a wall"/ignoring/ignorance) is totally fitting yourself. Unfortunatly, trying to explain this to you is futile as you will only deny your immature behaviour.
You yourself are sliding off the discussion, and everyone else is, because it's pointless to discuss someone with the understanding of a 3 year old boy who has just stopped pooping into his trousers.
Now, lets get back to the subject of this topic..
Claiming everything that today's science cannot explain is supernatural is as ridiculous - in your words retarded - as saying people in Africa die because of any cause but not AIDS.
I bet if someone dropped the word "dark matter" that would be your proof of ghosts and all the shit you relate to them.
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you saw a toilet paper roll, you don't know what caused it. It may have been a mouse, wind, your ass turning or a ghost hungry for TP. The difference between the first 3 and the 4th is that mouse has been proven to exist, wind has been proven to exist and your ass has been proven to exist, while ghost hasn't been proven to exist. Choosing a ghost from so many hypothesis, as to what caused the paper roll, is retarded.
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Dark matter is quite far away from ghosts (because if it meets with it's double it would cease to exist or whatever).
The language part you just wrote because I confessed to have rather poor english, your english really isn't better.
besides, I'm quite a bit above average IQ (which doesn't say much, because it only works as a base, and intelligence is something else), but my understanding of things is quite far above a 3 year old.
I do even understand things I do not understand (like doing mathematics without knowing what I'm doing(it's obvious for me, but I don't have a thought process)).
And no, I'm willing to accept any other good theory of why this would happen. this doesn't mean a retard can claim that the wind in a wind still room made it happen.
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you saw a toilet paper roll, you don't know what caused it. It may have been a mouse, wind, your ass turning or a ghost hungry for TP. The difference between the first 3 and the 4th is that mouse has been proven to exist, wind has been proven to exist and your ass has been proven to exist, while ghost hasn't been proven to exist. Choosing a ghost from so many hypothesis, as to what caused the paper roll, is retarded.
the 3 first ones are ruled out due to circumstances, which would leave you without any explanation. either you have some theory that can support the happenings, or you believe there's something that isn't known that caused it.
however, ignoring the fact that it did happen, which many do, is quite ignorant. - if you don't take interest (which is a valid reason to ignore it), don't join it.
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And no, I'm willing to accept any other good theory of why this would happen. this doesn't mean a retard can claim that the wind in a wind still room made it happen.
if you read valis' posts carefully you would understand that you yourself can generate air movement, for example by turning around quickly
I do even understand things I do not understand (like doing mathematics without knowing what I'm doing(it's obvious for me, but I don't have a thought process)).
this would explain why you're saying things while not even knowing what you're saying
the 3 first ones are ruled out due to circumstances, which would leave you without any explanation. either you have some theory that can support the happenings, or you believe there's something that isn't known that caused it.
however, ignoring the fact that it did happen, which many do, is quite ignorant. - if you don't take interest (which is a valid reason to ignore it), don't join it.
i could make up 100 more hypothesis, some would be more likely to happen some less, but as long as you don't remember some certain fact that would solve the mystery, you will not know what caused the toilet paper to roll. You won't always know everything, making up ghosts just because you don't have the answer is also retarded.
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Yes, because I was the person that originally thought of the idea of ghosts.
And no, I'm willing to accept any other good theory of why this would happen. this doesn't mean a retard can claim that the wind in a wind still room made it happen.
if you read valis' posts carefully you would understand that you yourself can generate air movement, for example by turning around quickly
You got to be kidding me, if you read my post carefully it'll be explained how it cannot be. I've even tried with brute force to make it roll far (by gripping it, and give it a lot of roll power, it does not roll out 2 meters of paper).
Can you now let go off your retarded attempts to come up with a solution?
If something happens, there need to be a cause. Unless you can provide a better theory, ghost or similar is the strongest theory.
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the hypothesis of you being retarded and talking out of your ass is way more likely than the existance of ghosts, it can also be proven with loads of material you have provided since few years
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the hypothesis of you being retarded and talking out of your ass is way more likely than the existance of ghosts, it can also be proven with loads of material you have provided since few years
well, my psycologist and tests proves otherwise, so that is ruled out. anything else you want to add, or are you only going to spam more?
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What do you exactly mean with "psycologist"
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the hypothesis of you being retarded and talking out of your ass is way more likely than the existance of ghosts, it can also be proven with loads of material you have provided since few years
well, my psycologist and tests proves otherwise, so that is ruled out. anything else you want to add, or are you only going to spam more?
i wasn't even being serious, but i think i need to reconsider
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majorrrrrrrrrr why are you ignoring me :[
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majorrrrrrrrrr why are you ignoring me :[
didn't really get it D:, and my interest is in hearing some explanation to what they believe, since they obviously care about it.
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>Dark matter is quite far away from ghosts (because if it meets with it's double it would cease to exist or whatever).
>besides, I'm quite a bit above average IQ, but my understanding of things is quite far above a 3 year old.
>I do even understand things I do not understand (like doing mathematics without knowing what I'm doing(it's obvious for me, but I don't have a thought process)).
#1: What you said about Dark Matter is completely f**king retarded.
#2: You are a pretentious ***got and I think everyone agrees with me on this.
#3: "I do even understand things I do not understand" wat wat
Also this one get's me still.
I'm not sure if I belive in ghosts or just some 4th dimension creature.. or some invisible creatures (like IR light etc stuff) that are quite intelligent.
How can you say something so absolutely stupid and then go on and say you're smarter than the average prole.
Also I see this happening with a few pages because I'm motherf**king psychic.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/28i6ru0.png)
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Feels like the good old times. Now we just need panzer and chakra and a dash of captain ben or flamingogogo
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dark matter as in quantum physics.
that picture is completely irrelevant to what you want to say.
obviously since nobody can provide a better theory, the only smart option would be to go for something super natural or something completely undiscovered.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p-ZhDMmYjxw/TCfCjGVjsPI/AAAAAAAAAeg/emVEGHyIsvQ/s1600/my_hair_is_a_bird.jpg)
I guess I win this argument.
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I'm so close to loosing all my patience.
You were told to be wrong with dark matter so you should've looked it up somewhere (even if you did at wikipedia). The thing you were talking about is called anti matter and is something completly different, but someone with your understanding of science would not understand this at all.
Talking about pictures that are in the wrong place: Compared to Dascoo's choice yours is a joke, it's a shame that you are too ignorant to notice this.
Never seen such an inane discussion in years..
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Flaming, childish argument, 4chan image macros, and DarkCrusade is losing his patience. I've always wondered what it would be like to lock a thread before I even have breakfast, and now I know.
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You people should be permabanned and burned at the stake (similarly extreme punishments, I know) for tempting me to open this thread and therefore lowering my IQ.
Vijcht, I love you. I would propose, but my girlfriend would castrate me, and no one wants that. You fought valiantly, but no amount of reason will change the views of anyone with horrible grammar.