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Title: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Leo on October 06, 2010, 09:53:17 am
Well, is it ? Because if current developer doesn't want or can not, for any reason, continue, he should make a public announcement and give development to someone that actually cares. I host Soldat servers since 2005 and I believe I have the right to know, together with the whole community, what the hell is going on. Thanks. 
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: n2j3 on October 06, 2010, 09:59:33 am
Well, is it ? Because if current developer doesn't want or can not, for any reason, continue, he should make a public announcement and give development to someone that actually cares. I host Soldat servers since 2005 and I believe I have the right to know, together with the whole community, what the hell is going on. Thanks. 

Werd.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Centurion on October 06, 2010, 10:48:57 am
Let's just downgrade to 1.3.1 when everything was much better.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Swompie on October 06, 2010, 10:57:24 am
I won't believe that would help Centurion.

Anyways I also would also like to know what's going on, no new version over one year already, when I'm correct..
If this continues soldat will be dead soon, the only thing which holds it alive are the few communities out there imo.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: 10th_account on October 06, 2010, 11:38:43 am
Let's just downgrade to 1.3.1 when everything was much better.

Are you retarded? 1.3.1 was the worst of them all.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Blue-ninja on October 06, 2010, 04:57:26 pm
Let's just downgrade to 1.3.1 when everything was much better.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Amida on October 06, 2010, 10:26:23 pm
I won't believe that would help Centurion.

Anyways I also would also like to know what's going on, no new version over one year already, when I'm correct..
If this continues soldat will be dead soon, the only thing which holds it alive are the few communities out there imo.

This ^

we should have shoozza as a dev imo.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 07, 2010, 06:25:22 am
" Soldat 1.5.1 Release Candidate version will be out any moment now. Because of this I would like to introduce a kind of promotion." http://soldat.pl written on 07.05.10 Which is excactly 5!!! month ago..

it will not be out the next 2-3 month because of sctfl.
so "out any moment" turns to more than 7-8 month.

Soldat Beta was released on 14.11.2009 which is 11 month ago.

something is really goin wrong here..
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Dusty on October 07, 2010, 08:53:23 am
it will not be out the next 2-3 month because of sctfl.

SCTFL has nothing to do with the actual game.

Anyway, this topic has been discussed numerous of times in the past, yet it seems that neither MM nor EnEsCe has realized that they are making things worse and worse pretty much with everything they do. Soldat has (read: had) much potential but honestly speaking MM had no clue of how to make it really succesful - the last bits of it disappeared when he abandoned Soldat and gave the code to EnEsCe. Soldat was wasted.

For years already - in my opinion - the only thing that has kept Soldat alive is the competitive scene/community. Many people have already quit after the loss of BattlEye. There has been lots of talk about magical anti-cheat features in the upcoming version, but when it's eventually released, it will not hold the cheaters back for long. Not if MM & EnEsCe care for Soldat as little as they do now.

It's been sad to watch how MM has failed time after time with Soldat. The problems have been so obvious for so long time, but did he care? NO!!! CUZ WE NED TEH PORTALZ AND LINK DEID WIL BE TEH MOST AWESOMEST GAME EVA LOLOl. One of the downsides in LD is that MM has to find completely new players; I'd say the people who really like Soldat will not become interested in LD because the games are so different.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 07, 2010, 10:06:57 am
it will not be out the next 2-3 month because of sctfl.

SCTFL has nothing to do with the actual game.


Actually it has , cause if soldats new version would come out right now they would play with an outdated version and stuff. and i guess many people in here will at least try out Link Dead and are interested in it, like i am.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Dusty on October 07, 2010, 12:01:57 pm
Actually it has , cause if soldats new version would come out right now they would play with an outdated version and stuff.

The version (and servers) used would be updated as soon as possible. Why would the SCTFL staff delay something that's obviously good for the league itself? Not to forget that MM and EnEsCe has no actual connections to the people running the league; one could say they don't even know it exists.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: p0ppin on October 07, 2010, 01:58:02 pm
Please don't let this topic sway into a SCTFL side-debate.

I'd at least like to hear from Enesce concerning the developement  :-\
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Blacksheepboy on October 07, 2010, 03:20:25 pm
Yes, I'd agree to this as well. Enesce, pweeez?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Biscuiteer on October 08, 2010, 12:18:09 am
We haven't had any update on this for quite some time by now. It almost feels like we're being baited sometimes (Oh its almost here.... Release Candidate!).

Surely some kind of update every now and then - atleast once a month - would be reasonable?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: vehicledestroyer on October 08, 2010, 01:28:22 am
You guys are right, development for Soldat is on a huge decline. Perhaps it's time for the code to be past on to a new developer, or get more people involved and work with Enesce. Hopefully this thread will do some good and will get Enesce to turn around and say " Oh yes, my Soldat child, I've forgotten to feed you... here you go...."
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 08, 2010, 03:38:40 am
Actually it has , cause if soldats new version would come out right now they would play with an outdated version and stuff.

The version (and servers) used would be updated as soon as possible. Why would the SCTFL staff delay something that's obviously good for the league itself? Not to forget that MM and EnEsCe has no actual connections to the people running the league; one could say they don't even know it exists.

Just for your information, I checked this from an SCTFL admin. You should too, before claiming something that you have no real knowledge on.
haha the current sctfl is played with the current wm, if new soldat v. would be released right now sctfl would have been played with 2 wm´s. I dont doubt it, but this would have been the funniest thing i have ever seen i guess.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Dusty on October 08, 2010, 06:13:50 am
haha the current sctfl is played with the current wm, if new soldat v. would be released right now sctfl would have been played with 2 wm´s.

And you think this alone will postpone the release of the new version? If 1.5.1 is finished before the end of SCTFL, it will replace the older version.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Rotem on October 08, 2010, 07:32:46 am
enesce doenst read anything here so i allow my slef to say to him: fuck your self
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Centurion on October 08, 2010, 07:59:36 am
He actually does read it but he doesn't reply. All he does is cry and ask himself. "WUT HAEV I DONED, TEH WHOUL SALDAT CUMUNITEE HATES MEH??!!" *sadface*
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Swompie on October 08, 2010, 04:09:21 pm
He actually does read it but he doesn't reply. All he does is cry and ask himself. "WUT HAEV I DONED, TEH WHOUL SALDAT CUMUNITEE HATES MEH??!!" *sadface*
Yea, that's a point what many people find annoying, that he reads it but never gives a statement to it..
And like Biscuiteer already said, atleast a update once a month, even when it was just one bugfix, would show us that he is actually working on it.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Silnikos on October 08, 2010, 04:21:54 pm
NSC should face the fact that he's not able to keep the project development running and pass the code to someone who actually could do it.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 08, 2010, 04:25:29 pm
Calm down a bit. Imagine being NSC and read the same crying and the same insults everywhere. I wouldn't reply if I was him. He's doing the right thing. Don't feed the trolls.

On the other hand, you guys have a point. The progress EnEsCe makes is very slow. However, I can imagine Soldat's code to be very bad and changing things can cause other parts not to work correctly, so this could be the main reason why the development of Soldat is so slow. And don't forget he's developing Soldat all alone.. sure, he didn't accept Shoozza's help just because he doesn't trust him - what really pissed k off - so that, in order to improve Soldat, Shoozza needed to HACK..

 
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Centurion on October 08, 2010, 06:11:26 pm
The progress EnEsCe makes is very slow negative.

I bet you meant something like this.
He has f**ked the game up, it's f**king s**t. Even s**ttier than Soldat 0.94c. We need no f**king portal and other s**t that people wouldn't use.


Shoozza did the right thing. He tried to help NSC to develop Soldat but NSC said no. Why bother your ass if no one needs your programming skills? I would've done the very same thing if I was Shoozza.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 08, 2010, 07:24:23 pm
Be at least honest. Soldat was crap in 0.94c and you know it. As unnecessary as the portal is, I find it better than having a crappier WM, crappier bugs, crappier graphics and less gamemodes. I know you are only exaggerating, but it's the bloody truth.

I bet there is progress. Most of it will not be really visable for us, but it's there. Better structured code will make the game faster without you noticing that it runs better, or the communication between server and client gets faster. There are a lot of things that we - the public - can only barely notice.

Additionaly, it's always easy to make one guilty for everything bad. However, if I was in EnEsCe's position I'd have the same problems starting with simple things like understanding the code, and there is a lot of code that needs to be fixed. The really guilty person is MM and noone else.

 
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: n00bface on October 08, 2010, 09:01:43 pm
And don't forget he's developing Soldat all alone.. sure, he didn't accept Shoozza's help just because he doesn't trust him - what really pissed k off - so that, in order to improve Soldat, Shoozza needed to HACK..

 

LOL, EnEsCe was the biggest hacker in all of Soldat a couple of years before he began to develop Soldat.  The forum moderators back then had to convene to decide whether or not to unban him just from the IRC channel.  I can't imagine a world where that's the reason Shoozza isn't being let in on the development.  Everyone should prolly quit talking on other peoples' behalf.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scarface09 on October 08, 2010, 10:00:33 pm
Enesce is reported dead. He was found lying in a garbage dumpster. This was reported on the 9th of October, 2010 on the Soldat Development Website. However, this does not exist so Enesce can suck a fucking dick the dumbcunt who cant even develop 2D game. Give it to someone else if you can't handle it...he doesn't have the balls to code. I bet some new lame "Lobby Lag" or some shit will be introduced nxt year and it will fuck up the whole game completely. I'm just waiting for it to come out to see how fucked up hes made this shit game to be (even more than it already is).

To sum this up...Enesce is probably dead...or is a useless prick.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Biscuiteer on October 08, 2010, 10:55:50 pm
Hold on guys, raging about it won't solve a thing. What needs to be done is for as many as us as possible to calmly state our opinion and ask for some sort of update - or other reasonable request - about the next soldat version.

I bet there is progress. Most of it will not be really visable for us, but it's there. Better structured code will make the game faster without you noticing that it runs better, or the communication between server and client gets faster. There are a lot of things that we - the public - can only barely notice.

Additionaly, it's always easy to make one guilty for everything bad. However, if I was in EnEsCe's position I'd have the same problems starting with simple things like understanding the code, and there is a lot of code that needs to be fixed. The really guilty person is MM and noone else.

I partly agree with you. Yes, understanding and reorganizing old, buggy code can be very time consuming and tedious before any real progress can be made. What the issue is that NSC has already taken LOADS of time, and yet there seems to be hardly anything being done. There have been quite some updates to the beta initially, but they have tapered off long ago. Preparations for the final versions were supposedly under way months ago, but now things have stagnated.

You are right that we can't blame him solely for this mess, but i feel he does deserve much credit for soldat's dwindling production pace. If he really had the drive and motivation soldat probably would be by 1.6.0 by now, who knows. Instead, we are stuck with EnEsCe, thanks to MM. Yet I don't fully blame MM for choosing poorly in this scenario. Back then it wasn't as clear that NSC was the bad man for the job. He had quite the sever renting operation going, and while his distant background as a hacker muddled his reputation, it did demonstrate his ability to code. MM's choice in having EnEsCe be the developer of Soldat is not what bothers me. What bothers me is that, with all of the lack of progress in Soldat along with the whole false lag fiasco is that he chooses to keep him in his current position. I remember one of his points was that 'no matter what, he is still developing Soldat'. To this day it still doesn't make any sense to me. The right man for the job not only should be talented in coding but dedicated to his job as well. Yes, he is still developing Soldat (we hope), but at this pace? Surely MM sees by now that EnEsCe is not developing Soldat quickly enough so as to keep the game afloat? If MM really cares about Soldat, he should consider replacing EnEsCe with someone else.

If all else fails, I wonder if a community-driven topic designed to calmly request some sort of update from the higher ups would be possible?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 08, 2010, 11:16:51 pm
@n00b: I just tried pointing out that there is no apparent reason why Shoozza shouldn't develop Soldat other than some random bullshit (I think I may call it like that) like "I don't want him to develop Soldat". The big why between everything is.. why? Why can't we have someone who's capable? Why can't we have someone who really enjoys his work and who is encouraged enough to work hard?

@Bisquiteer: I assume it's some kind of nepotism. Or MM just doesn't care enough about Soldat. Lack of time is no excuse. A potential developer (k) is there.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: ds dude on October 08, 2010, 11:32:55 pm
You guys need to let this game go and find some other game to play.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 08, 2010, 11:33:58 pm
Common sense disagrees.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Swompie on October 09, 2010, 03:37:28 am
You guys need to let this game go and find some other game to play.
Soldat is a unique game, find something similar which is as funny and special like it.
Besides that you don't even have to pay for it. (Which also holds Soldat alive at some point imo)
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Wes on October 09, 2010, 11:58:08 am
This game has too much potential for us to just forget about it. There is nothing like it.

I just want depth and balance in soldat.

I wish the developer would simply do what it takes to make the game deep and balanced. If the damn chainsaw is not viable, FIX IT, and no don't just mess with the INI file, that is hopeless.

The game is too good for me to stop playing regardless of the small community.

<-----DustyDisk
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Furai on October 09, 2010, 01:59:12 pm
Btw, I haven't seen EnEsCe in soldat.devs for almost two weeks, MM is there quite often, though. Also he posted some news on his facebook wall (something about link dead). Maybe I'll stick there this topic?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Swompie on October 09, 2010, 02:39:01 pm
I'd say do it, would be really nice to hear what he's going to say about this.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 09, 2010, 05:39:41 pm
Btw, I haven't seen EnEsCe in soldat.devs for almost two weeks, MM is there quite often, though. Also he posted some news on his facebook wall (something about link dead). Maybe I'll stick there this topic?

he doesnt really reply much about soldat currently but about link dead. so just ask like that "what would you do if you would have given link dead´s dev to a random guy who is slowing hardly"  [pigtail] joking..
maybe some guys who have contact to them (MM,NSC) could ask them for just some piece of text with some information.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: MetalBrewer on October 10, 2010, 02:12:10 am
Enesce is reported dead. He was found lying in a garbage dumpster. This was reported on the 9th of October, 2010 on the Soldat Development Website.
[...]
To sum this up...Enesce is probably dead...or is a useless prick.
Useless prick.
Compare his activity on http://forums.soldat.pl (http://forums.soldat.pl) and http://talkprizes.com/ (http://talkprizes.com/), you'll know he's not dead at all.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: InoX on October 10, 2010, 04:42:29 am
i didnt read the whole thing but, why everyone think the old versions are better?
I play since 1.2 on irc community, and i think the actual one is the best ever made.
I mean comon, this is nostalgia, 1.2 was crap ( 100% barrets in pubs, 100%spray in cws ), 1.3.1 was the s**ttiest version ever made
1.4.2 was great and if we had a good antihack 1.5 would be perfect ( maybe with slight weapons balance changes -- > 1.5.1 ).
The only thing i dislike is the weapons mods and scripts. Its hard to find a good pub nowadays
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 10, 2010, 01:55:24 pm
http://talkprizes.com/ (http://talkprizes.com/)
So eC is spending time participating in scams rather than developing Soldat ahahahaha holy lol
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Mittsu on October 10, 2010, 02:04:08 pm
http://talkprizes.com/ (http://talkprizes.com/)
So eC is spending time participating in scams rather than developing Soldat ahahahaha holy lol

same thing lmao
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Bonecrusher on October 10, 2010, 02:49:51 pm
Imo we all should mail Michal to let him know what's going on with soldat development right now as he has no idea(doesnt want to know?) whats going on! He should come back and choose a real dev team.

Also agreed with posts saying that enesce should do some good coding work withing new few days and release new soldat or just abandon it as it is.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: duz on October 10, 2010, 02:55:17 pm
You guys need to let this game go and find some other game to play.
Agreed!
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Eagles_Arrows on October 10, 2010, 11:16:20 pm
Who here remembers openSoldat?  Has development for that stopped as well?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: VirtualTT on October 11, 2010, 01:49:39 am
Unfortunately it's more like development of openSoldat didn't even begin properly.
However i don't think that such an awesome gameplay slice can be kept forgotten for a long time. Especially considering recent lack of new ideas in gaming industry...
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 11, 2010, 02:41:47 am
Considering that the last time EnEsCe logged in was 3 days ago I leave all my hopes on a sudden support of helpful elves.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Swompie on October 13, 2010, 02:41:11 pm
Seems like this topic is dying (like similar others)
Well.. anything new about MM or NSC, or do we still have the same problem?
NSC not responding in any way and MM not knowing whats going on..? :/
I hoped this topic would help, but it seems like Soldat is really going to die in near future, because nothing is done.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: kunderez on October 13, 2010, 02:56:10 pm
If the developers are too tired of trying to enhance/fix Soldat, I volunteer as a programmer.

FYI:
- I'm not a newbie programmer
- I don't seek financial benefits
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 13, 2010, 03:15:44 pm
Sorry to disappoint you, kunderez, but there is only little hope for you. EnEsCe doesn't know you (I believe) and someone else's dream of becoming Soldat's developer have been shot down already.. (Shoozza).
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: vehicledestroyer on October 14, 2010, 01:24:04 am
Especially considering recent lack of new ideas in gaming industry...

I wouldn't say that. Besides WE don't need new ideas in the gaming industry. WE don't need new ideas for Soldat (I, for one liked aim lag but no one else did) at least that's not what the community or this thread is asking for. Not one bug fix in 11 months. Not one. Not a word from EnEsCe. Not one. Not a word from MM (about Soldat) Not one! This is what we ask for. A reasonable amount of progress. "If" MM is done fine we've got EnEsCe. "If" EnEsCe is done, I'd like to know! He shouldn't drag this out. The fan app I'm working on is useless if there's no "FANS" to use it. I understand it could be hard (IMPOSSIBLE!!) to trust someone with the source to Soldat but there are tons of people who want to code/program just for the hell of it, just for the learning experience. And if you combine that with someones dedication/love (for many Soldat players YEARS of dedication) to Soldat there's GOT to be one person that has the dedication and heart, skill and support, to make Soldat the best Soldat it can be.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Leo on October 14, 2010, 02:56:54 am
I started this thread with the hope of an answer from enesce or MM. Seems this is not gonna happen. I must assume the game has been abandon by the developers. It's a pity.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: n2j3 on October 14, 2010, 04:49:11 am
So, Enesce, apart from being inactive in this forum, is tweeting his favourite yt videos (http://twitter.com/enesce) and developing  hacks(redemption checkers etc) for lockerz (http://talkprizes.com/lockerz_tools/33840-live_redemption_checker_0_1_sec_autofiller_prize_selector_all_one_free.html) like there's no tomorrow. He started as a hacker, and still, to this day enjoys making silly bypasses. It's his calling. No shame in that. He's probably good at it.

MM on the other hand is preoccupied with Linkdead development, claims to have given up on his past vices yet at the same time reaping the rewards of being 'soldat developer' e.g. this  recent interview (http://www.omgn.com/feature/2010/09/04/soldat-interview-with-michal-marcinkowski). He mostly references/talks about soldat as an excuse to promote LinkDead.

IT'S TIME TO PASS THE TORCH TO SOMEONE ELSE!

[edit] fixed links
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Dusty on October 14, 2010, 05:08:59 am
Posts Per Day: 8.30 (http://talkprizes.com/members/enesce.html)

yeah

if the community is not licking his ass he quits

oh and this is classic:
Quote
Rushed work will just end up messy and full of more bugs than ever. And yes, 1.5.1 was meant to be bug fixes only, originally I fully intended it to be that way, but when the Soldat Forums decided to be dickfaces towards me for many weeks (and probably still going on), things changed. Could you sit for 5+ hours every day, only fixing bugs, knowing that the people you do it all for are just bitching about you behind your back? No, you’d go and do something fun, explore ideas and possibilities to create new features. That’s how 1.5.1 became what it is now. Bugs are being fixed now though (Most recent one being access violations in demos, which is now fixed in 1.5.0 live too. Old demos still wont work though)

(about 13 months ago)
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 14, 2010, 05:28:48 am
MM is being informed and said he gonna reply soon.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: EnEsCe on October 14, 2010, 06:31:02 am
The comments in this thread are a prime example of why development on this FREE, time consuming spaghetti-code game has progressively gotten worse.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: mar77a on October 14, 2010, 06:55:48 am
You mean the things said here are right? About both being busy with other stuff? Or just you needing to get some ass-licking to get down to coding? Anyways it's not a matter of getting agressive here but if you have no interest in developing and MM agrees im sure someone else is willing to carry on COUGH Shoozza COUGH
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: n2j3 on October 14, 2010, 07:08:23 am
The comments in this thread are a prime example of why development on this FREE, time consuming spaghetti-code game has progressively gotten worse.
A prime example why this should be handed over to somebody else. Somebody that doesn't get phased by the facts. Someone that doesn't have exclamation mark-laden adverts of his own servers (only €0.70/$1 per player!) in his signature and isn't in it for a quick buck (ref. lockerz live redemption checker)
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Quantifier on October 14, 2010, 07:13:52 am
The comments in this thread are a prime example of why development on this FREE, time consuming spaghetti-code game has progressively gotten worse.
Then you admit, community is right and you're not able to cope with development.
Soldat needs an active coder. Whining self-proclaimed martyrs are useless.
You ought to get back to work, or quit your position and let others do it.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scarface09 on October 14, 2010, 07:47:37 am
How about you give it over to Shoozza or that other guy who wants to develop it and let them work on it. You can go post 8-10 times or watever the fuck it is on ur other lame forum and give the game to someone else to work on. If it is such a "spaghetti like code" you have claimed it be why dont u start fucking fixing it then. If you cant be fucked doing it, im sure theres others out there who can. And I'm very sure they will be doing it for FREE too as you also claimed. Now quit ur whining and give us some feedback on what the fuck you have done.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: TmTgr on October 14, 2010, 07:53:45 am
I can't believe I'm going to say this but...

All you idiots should shut up unless you actually know what it's like to work a large badly coded project.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 14, 2010, 07:59:45 am
I can't believe I'm going to say this but...

All you idiots should shut up unless you actually know what it's like to work a large badly coded project.

you have no clue about what we are talking right ? we are not talking about the goddamn code we just want some FREQUENTLY updates / posts about the current status, about what is going on.

by the war, this war wont lead anywhere ..
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: kunderez on October 14, 2010, 09:32:00 am
btw, I have lots of experience in refactoring spaghetti-coded projects and I'm not the one who is going to be scared about it... It is just what I do for living... every single day.

I assure you that I have the skills to improve/fix Soldat. If you don't believe me, it's ok, because I undestand that I am a nobody in this forum and thus hard to believe/trust...
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: p0ppin on October 14, 2010, 09:49:15 am
This is what a development blog should look like.

http://notch.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Hellboy on October 14, 2010, 09:53:05 am
"I’m gonna announce something shortly about Soldat, please give me a bit of time." MM.

http://mm.soldat.pl/development-log/new-private-alpha#comments
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 14, 2010, 10:01:01 am
EnEsCe, you should feel bad posting like this. You didn't visit the forum for days and not, because someone died or illness. You didn't work on Soldat enough and all we get from you are excuses and some random bullshit like "the code sucks". WE KNOW. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of combat and let someone else do it. I bet Shoozza would still like to develop Soldat. There could even be a team of developers to make the progress even faster (-> kunderez). Just DO something and DO IT NOW.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Eagles_Arrows on October 14, 2010, 10:53:11 am
Quote from: EnEsCe
herpderp i am a lazy ass developer who feeds off of flattery in order to work on a game towards which i have absolutely no enthusiasm
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 14, 2010, 11:35:21 am
He challenges the community and the community gives him what he deserves. Doing nothing without an official statement is just unfair.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 14, 2010, 11:35:32 am
Careful guys

<EnEsCe> you challenge me I will make your Soldat life a living hell.
what ?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scout on October 14, 2010, 11:35:40 am
Gotta love how history comes back and gives you a nice kick in the nuts, eh nsc?

Our updates and 'patches' are way overdue, we whine and beg for them, you never delivered. And this could have all been avoided if there was an ACTUAL development TEAM working on soldat.

Fix it already, before you throw soldat into the grave.


Lets all prepare a 21 gun salute while we're at it yeah?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Mittsu on October 14, 2010, 11:43:01 am
its really annoying to see a game with potential (still!) get wasted because the developer acting like a stubborn kid ("i wont make the game because the community doesnt like me, and i wont pass it to anyone else just to f**k with them")

i also have a feeling that it's hard to change the developer because of the fear from what enesce could pull off with soldat after getting him resigned
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scout on October 14, 2010, 11:53:43 am
Come to think of it, nsc does'nt even care! He's just another money-head looking to get that quick buck, screwing people over just for himself.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: KYnetiK on October 14, 2010, 12:09:46 pm
The only thing that is clear here is the overwhelming passion people have for Soldat. However, I think its rather unwise to let this passion get the best of us.

Considering we dont actually KNOW what this coming announcement will be, I would rather bite my tongue and have some manners then risk looking like a total smeghead after the fact. The least we can do is respectfully give MM the time he has asked of us to do his thing. Whilst I do agree with a lot of the points in this thread [from both sides], I hardly think letting our mouths run away from us is going to help anything at all.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: TheOne on October 14, 2010, 12:14:21 pm
What I'm reading here, shocks me.
How can you expect someone to do any work, which requires a lot of heart blood, with that attitude? And giving the script to someone else isn't as easy as you may think.
It was alright to ask about the current status, but these last posts are breaking any reasonable limit. This should not be connected to emotions and not at all to insulting each other..
In my opinion soldat would / will die, if both sides go on like this.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: KYnetiK on October 14, 2010, 12:18:24 pm
Quote
What I'm reading here, shocks me.
How can you expect someone to do any work, which requires a lot of heart blood, with that attitude? And giving the script to someone else isn't as easy as you may think.
It was alright to ask about the current status, but these last posts are breaking any reasonable limit. This should not be connected to emotions and not at all to insulting each other..
In my opinion soldat would / will die, if both sides go on like this.


So true it hurts ^^
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scout on October 14, 2010, 01:08:19 pm
In my honest opinion,

 The developer (mind you i am NOT refering MM), knowing full well whats at stake and the outrage of the community, needs to produce results, else well ... this happens. The community asks, the developer does'nt deliver, and thus begins the flame war. Its like governing a country - govern well, everyone's happy, no hassles.
 
You can't blame the community for their attitude against the developer since he took on the task ALONE knowing the consequences.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 14, 2010, 03:25:44 pm
The comments in this thread are a prime example of why development on this FREE, time consuming spaghetti-code game has progressively gotten worse.
Oh my god please go into the business world with this attitude

What could possibly go wrong with the concept of screwing over your customers because they have the audacity to expect things delivered on time
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: duz on October 14, 2010, 03:36:30 pm
This is what happen when you put a cheater in front of your game development.
No more to say. I'm playing this game since 2002 and now I feel so disapointed.

Next time don't create expectatives, please.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: nEttsE on October 14, 2010, 03:43:39 pm
Can't say much to this.

One day I saw this game, one day I downloaded this game, one day I started to play the game. I started to love it and time by the time I also earned the "rage" and also removed it by the time as I got older and older. Since 1.4.1, for me it was like a "hope" of something better, I mean more clear playing, or stuff. None of my hopes I could see. It was only getting worse and worse.

I met couples of guys, who were fine, and also dumbs who are just a dumbs still.

More and more players I've been suspecting hacking or complaining about some sh*ts.

I started to play Soldat around February of year 2006 (ver. 1.3.1), and now it's year 2010. Year, when I even don't want to start Soldat, since even the right teams are unable win the leagues they were supposed to win. Lag matters, eats matters, hacks matters. Only just few clicks, and you can hack. How simple.

That's my Soldat story, how it was, and how these good days will never come back.

In my honest opinion, Soldat is dead. I'm just sad about it, how a game like this can reach the top that nicely, and fall that badly.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 14, 2010, 03:45:28 pm
Oh my god please go into the business world with this attitude

Soldat is business already. He gets money, no?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 14, 2010, 03:48:10 pm
Oh my god please go into the business world with this attitude

Soldat is business already. He gets money, no?
Corporate world then :I
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scout on October 14, 2010, 04:21:37 pm
Can't say much to this.

One day I saw this game, one day I downloaded this game, one day I started to play the game. I started to love it and time by the time I also earned the "rage" and also removed it by the time as I got older and older. Since 1.4.1, for me it was like a "hope" of something better, I mean more clear playing, or stuff. None of my hopes I could see. It was only getting worse and worse.

I met couples of guys, who were fine, and also dumbs who are just a dumbs still.

More and more players I've been suspecting hacking or complaining about some sh*ts.

I started to play Soldat around February of year 2006 (ver. 1.3.1), and now it's year 2010. Year, when I even don't want to start Soldat, since even the right teams are unable win the leagues they were supposed to win. Lag matters, eats matters, hacks matters. Only just few clicks, and you can hack. How simple.

That's my Soldat story, how it was, and how these good days will never come back.

In my honest opinion, Soldat is dead. I'm just sad about it, how a game like this can reach the top that nicely, and fall that badly.

You're not alone friend. I too have lost my dedication to soldat. But it does'nt mean i will stop hoping something good will still come out of it.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: L[0ne]R on October 14, 2010, 04:29:06 pm
This thread is not much different from similar threads from before. Same issues are mentioned, same solutions are suggested and same lame excuses are provided.

The comments in this thread are a prime example of why development on this FREE, time consuming spaghetti-code game has progressively gotten worse.
If you can't handle the responsibility you were given - give it so someone who can handle it. It's simple as that.

If you just allow someone else to work on soldat - you can completely and entirely forget about all soldat-related problems, and no longer be bothered by our "whining". Isn't that great?

Oh my god please go into the business world with this attitude
Soldat is business already. He gets money, no?
Abandoning a great concept and gameplay and leaving it to rot? That isn't exactly a good way to make money. MM should be well aware of that as well.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Illuminatus on October 14, 2010, 05:08:23 pm
http://enesce.com/lockerz/lrc/

really?! this is what enesce has been working on for the last months?? some crazy lockerz hack s**t? (I admit I don't really know what it does since I only know about lockerz from wikipedia and some blogs.)
according to this thread (http://talkprizes.com/lockerz_tools/33840-live_redemption_checker_0_1_sec_autofiller_prize_selector_all_one_free.html) development of this tool/service started on march 2010. last soldat beta build was release on may 2010 (http://enesce.com/476/soldat/soldat-beta-1-5-1-13/). then he disappeared from soldatforums and mantis. would be interesting if MM already knew that.

I really don't understand why enesce didn't say anything according to the change in his development-focus. for example that he needs a break from developing "time consuming spaghetti-code game". but that he still cares so he asks other developer to continue the work. that would be the appropriate way you handle such a situation imo.
for me it looks like he really doesn't care anymore. but since he doesn't want to look stupid he just stopped the communication and hoped the community wouldn't care. I think one reason is also the decreasing income he had with the servers (at least I think so). so he searched a new way to earn money...

let's hope that MM finds some new developer(s) (someone pls contact shoozza) - making soldat opensource will be overkill imo.

edit: take this post (http://www.teeworlds.com/?page=news&id=6641) by the developers of teeworlds (a "similar" game) as an example how to do it the right way and handle such a situation where you have less and less time to focus on your game.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 14, 2010, 05:27:11 pm
wow 324 pages on that topic .. just read trough it and you wills see tons of guys who bought it. I guess it is something illegal here thats nothing honourable
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 14, 2010, 06:20:25 pm
I really don't understand why enesce didn't say anything according to the change in his development-focus.
The answer is simpler than you might think: he's just a bad developer. Enesce has zero communication or leadership skills, something that's integral to being a developer. If Soldat continues to be in his hands, it will continue to decline. The end.

making soldat opensource will be overkill imo
Not at all, but we've been over this topic before.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scout on October 14, 2010, 07:19:04 pm
Meh, he should just get himself a well paying job while hes at it, at least its much better than selling hacks online.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Michal Marcinkowski on October 14, 2010, 11:25:03 pm
Hey,
I haven't read the thread. Just wanted to say that we agreed with EnEsCe to release 1.5.1 as quickly as possible with disabled Portal functionality cause that isn't finished and was lagging the development significantly. As far as I know just the dedicated server needs to be compiled on linux. After 1.5.1 is out I will make further announcments for Soldat's future.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: filip2322 on October 14, 2010, 11:28:53 pm
Yeah ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Furai on October 15, 2010, 01:49:30 am
Please, read the whole thread...
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Spi.deY on October 15, 2010, 03:06:48 am
Hey,
I haven't read the thread. Just wanted to say that we agreed with EnEsCe to release 1.5.1 as quickly as possible with disabled Portal functionality cause that isn't finished and was lagging the development significantly. As far as I know just the dedicated server needs to be compiled on linux. After 1.5.1 is out I will make further announcments for Soldat's future.

Nice one ! But moreover :

Please, read the whole thread...

And look @Enesce's answers..
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: duz on October 15, 2010, 04:07:40 am
Remember that we need a Soldat without bugs (most important: "fps lock bug" ) and improvements on balance, graphics, netcode and the general code itself.
I think that you (Michal) can get some money with Soldat, not exactly with accounts payments (isn't the reg) and it could help you back to the development, maybe with a team (1- Shoozza is a good guy and he like the Soldat, 2- VirtualTT. I don't know why this dude isn't doing something in Soldat yet!) like the Urban Terror (http://www.urbanterror.info/docs/texts/111/) squad, they do a wonderfull job and you haven't things to lose trying. Better than see one of my favorite games dying.

This game continues very attractive for kids/new players. You're wasting that potential.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 15, 2010, 07:33:56 am
Hey,
I haven't read the thread. Just wanted to say that we agreed with EnEsCe to release 1.5.1 as quickly as possible with disabled Portal functionality cause that isn't finished and was lagging the development significantly. As far as I know just the dedicated server needs to be compiled on linux. After 1.5.1 is out I will make further announcments for Soldat's future.

worsest news i have ever heard.. i guess the portal was the thing which was most work but if this is not still finished after such a long time i got to ask myself what has taken that long. The new Soldat v. without Portal would be so gay..
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 15, 2010, 08:02:04 am
Portal is what we need the least.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: RafiPZ on October 15, 2010, 08:02:58 am
Hey,
I haven't read the thread. Just wanted to say that we agreed with EnEsCe to release 1.5.1 as quickly as possible with disabled Portal functionality cause that isn't finished and was lagging the development significantly. As far as I know just the dedicated server needs to be compiled on linux. After 1.5.1 is out I will make further announcments for Soldat's future.

So the portal will be completely out including player's tagid?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: jerich on October 15, 2010, 08:06:46 am
Step 1. Balance weapons, add new maps, fix minor bugs.
Step 2. ?
Step 3. Profit
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Clawbug on October 15, 2010, 08:28:23 am
Step 1. Balance weapons, add new maps, fix minor bugs.
Step 2. ?
Step 3. Profit

Bullshit.

Step 1: Fix known bugs, add features requested by the community and update WM.
Step 2: Release.
Step 3: Repeat quarterly, i.e. every 3 months, 4 times a year.

In case of broken versions, release a patch as quickly as possible. Develop in small increments. Release early, release often.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Illuminatus on October 15, 2010, 08:37:51 am
@MM: Pls take half an hour and read this whole thread.

The new Soldat v. without Portal would be so gay..

No, it wouldn't. At least we would have one polished v1.5.0. Don't forget that EnEsCe indeed did fix many bugs and made some changes aside from Portal.
I'm just mentioning the imo most important ones (from the complete changelog for v1.5.1.13 (http://enesce.com/476/soldat/soldat-beta-1-5-1-13/) plus the changes from build 14 and 15 (http://bugs.soldat.pl/changelog_page.php)):

Quote
Fixes:
- Fixed player names being invisible on F1 list [finally! so we don't need to use shoozza's chatmod hack]
- Fixed "Crouch Float" bug
- Fixed LAW and M79 exploding on yourself instantly after picking up while punching. [I've always hated this one]
- Fixed InterfaceText/Image custom resolution scaling
- Fixed custom maps not downloading Textures or Edges from server
- Fixed Jetpack sparks appearing in Realistic mode when the enemy player is not visible
- Fixed a bunch of corrupt network packets, resulting in them being dropped or
 doing funky things [zomg! netcode improvement?!]
- Fixed reg star appearing for bots and players who aren't actually registered
- Fixed Access Violations and Corrupt Data occuring when recording/playing demo's
 recorded with Soldat 1.5.0
- Fixed Players with Predator being visible to new players that join after
 they obtained the Bonus
- Fixed Registration Star on F1 menu not appearing while using default
 jet flame colour
- Fixed Soldat Installer will set correct file write permissions under
 Windows Vista / 7
- Fixed editing a maps background colours and not getting kicked
 for wrong map version.
- Fixed Spas12 reloading while firing no longer allows infinite shots
- Fixed online bots flying up into the air when spawning with a Parachute
- Fixed Spectators no longer have the "dead" player marker next to their name

Modifications
- Modified changing mouse sensitivy ingame now increases/decreases by 1% per
 button press rather than 5%
- Modified Dead/Spectator players in Realistic mode can not use freecam.
- Modified Dead players can not spectate other dead players in Realistic+Survival
- Modifier players can not see enemy team chat in Realistic mode if the enemy player is not visible
- Modified Team Bink is now reduced by 50% when Friendly Fire is disabled.
You will get no Team Bink at all if you are not moving
- Modified Score Board (F1) has been redesigned for team-based game modes
- Modified Score Board (F1) can now be scrolled up/down (only if required) by
using the Page Up/Down keys. An arrow will appear on the right-center side
 of the board if scrolling is available
- Modified Weapons Menu will now only display non-default values (on Mouse Over)
 if joining a Weapon Mod server
- Modified pressing escape while typing will now clear chat buffer

Additions:
- Added ability to paste IP:Port/Pass formatted strings into the IP field of the
 Join Game tab. soldat:// URL's are also supported
- Added 8 new Polygon types: Only (Team Colour) collide Polygons, and Only
 (Team Colour) + Enemy Team Bullets collide Polygons.
- Added Polygon type: Exploding Polygon.
- Added Polygon type: Hurt Flaggers.
- Added Polygon type: Only flaggers collide.
- Added ingame Weapon Statistics for Registered players
 (Press F2 while in the F1 menu)
- Added "Offline/LAN Mode" for playing Soldat multiplayer with no connection to the
 Internet.
- Added Score Board (F1) will now display the current Server Name at
 the top left corner
- Added Score Board (F1) will now display the "Server Info" message
 under the server name
- Added bots now have a unique icon appear in place of their ping in the scoreboard

And also the server-updates (2.7.0a -> 2.7.0b) (http://enesce.com/444/soldat/server-270b/) and (2.7.0b -> 2.7.0c) (http://enesce.com/458/soldat/beta-151c-270c/).
So, pls don't forget the time EnEsCe did develop quite heavy on this "spaghetti-code" and when we could communicate nicely on the bugtracker. Not that I'm defending his missing communication with the community but still we have to esteem his work.

I hope this release won't get rush to much - take one week to get everything together:
- the new maps
- the redesigned maps (which maybe replace some old ones)
- the old map fixes
- the new weapon config

Hm...but since we have the auto-updater these could of course also be added after the main-release.

Still I really hope for a new developer - either together with EnEsCe or instead of him who will use the updater frequently. It's there for a reason, use it!
Now let's all hope for better times and that we won't get disappointed again (according to the early release-date and the further development of this still f**king amazing game Soldat).
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: jerich on October 15, 2010, 09:08:37 am
Step 1. Balance weapons, add new maps, fix minor bugs.
Step 2. ?
Step 3. Profit

Bulls**t.

Step 1: Fix known bugs, add features requested by the community and update WM.
Step 2: Release.
Step 3: Repeat quarterly, i.e. every 3 months, 4 times a year.

In case of broken versions, release a patch as quickly as possible. Develop in small increments. Release early, release often.

I was using the underpants gnomes episode of South Park to make fun of this "dilemma."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-eak9Jz3_k
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: L[0ne]R on October 15, 2010, 09:59:19 am
Hey,
I haven't read the thread. Just wanted to say that we agreed with EnEsCe to release 1.5.1 as quickly as possible with disabled Portal functionality cause that isn't finished and was lagging the development significantly. As far as I know just the dedicated server needs to be compiled on linux. After 1.5.1 is out I will make further announcments for Soldat's future.
It's nice to finally hear some more-or-less "official" news about the game's status, but unless something changes in the way development goes - the release of new version won't do much. It's only a matter of time until it comes to this again.

But I'll just hope for the best...
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Shard on October 15, 2010, 12:51:30 pm
Hey,
I haven't read the thread. Just wanted to say that we agreed with EnEsCe to release 1.5.1 as quickly as possible with disabled Portal functionality cause that isn't finished and was lagging the development significantly. As far as I know just the dedicated server needs to be compiled on linux. After 1.5.1 is out I will make further announcments for Soldat's future.
It's nice to finally hear some more-or-less "official" news about the game's status, but unless something changes in the way development goes - the release of new version won't do much. It's only a matter of time until it comes to this again.

But I'll just hope for the best...
Yay portal is delayed, so I will be downloading the new version. Good to hear of some actual progress.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: jrgp on October 15, 2010, 02:31:11 pm
I suggest you just rip all the portal code out and fix the bugs before doing anything else.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scarface09 on October 16, 2010, 06:17:29 am
I suggest they better fix this game before the players fix him up.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Madow on October 16, 2010, 06:27:38 am
I suggest you just rip all the portal code out and fix the bugs before doing anything else.
Yeah, agreed. I suggest to not add anything new at all and just focus on fixing the bugs, one by one. The latest features in 1.5 are so useless.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 16, 2010, 06:40:54 am
Stupid trolling won't do the trick, scarface.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 16, 2010, 08:26:27 am
why you are all against the portal ?
its a good thing to avoid cheaters
it will help new players to stay with soldat, cause there is the opportunity to put manuals in it.
it makes game kinda more dynamic cause you can add friends - immidiatly join the servers they re currently playing on.

Announcements can be immidietly seen for every player on login so even guys who re not on soldat forums or on IRC knows whats going on.

Stats / Ranks are a reason to continue playing for new players.
There can be better stats about activity of soldat (how many registerd accounts, how many inactives, and so on)

It doesnt change anything of the gameplay and i would like to know why you all are just against something just because its new.
Of corse the Portal is not the primary thing which is important to work in new soldat version but still your opinion is confusing me.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: p0ppin on October 16, 2010, 12:18:18 pm
I'm not against portal, but I'm against the priority that it was given over the much-needed bugfixes.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Rai-Dei on October 16, 2010, 07:57:33 pm
The Dev's "grew out" of Soldat, but refuse to let it go. You have no logical reason to continue coding Soldat, you're tired, bored, and have different plans.  The only thing I see from holding you back are reputation and money, too much weight on that will leave you far too unsatisfied.

In the same way that MM outgrew Soldat and passed it to you Ec, why not do the same?  You do not want it anymore, all the players want is the passion.

Pretty frills and awkward features aside, just give us someone who wants to develop.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: jrgp on October 16, 2010, 08:18:38 pm
The Dev's "grew out" of Soldat, but refuse to let it go.

I don't think they're obligated to let it go. It's their product and they should be allowed to do whatever they want with it, even if it means ignoring useful suggestions.

It's kind of rude demanding they hand it over to other people though.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Rai-Dei on October 16, 2010, 08:31:41 pm
Suggestion != demand.

Merely the thoughts of a worn-out player, Soldat is tired.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 17, 2010, 12:23:41 am
The Dev's "grew out" of Soldat, but refuse to let it go.
I don't think they're obligated to let it go. It's their product and they should be allowed to do whatever they want with it, even if it means ignoring useful suggestions.
Any business can do this with a product. The reason they don't is because they like having the product make money

Fancy that

It's kind of rude demanding they hand it over to other people though.
When it's clear neither Enesce nor MM wants to develop Soldat (Enesce outright stated that in this thread), it's completely reasonable to do so
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scarface09 on October 17, 2010, 05:44:22 am
We should make a petition. Who wants Enesce off the job and should get someone useful (meaning someone not useless, for example Enesce) like Shoozza. Who's with me?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Bonecrusher on October 17, 2010, 07:38:05 am
We should make a petition. Who wants Enesce off the job and should get someone useful (meaning someone not useless, for example Enesce) like Shoozza. Who's with me?

F12
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Rotem on October 17, 2010, 08:15:18 am
i think we should wait with that petition untill the new patch is out.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 17, 2010, 08:40:51 am
i think we should wait for more replies of MM & EnEsCe.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Stuffy on October 17, 2010, 09:47:39 am
Well, the response of MM was crap in my eyes, he did not even read the topic.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: xurich on October 17, 2010, 10:38:57 am
Well, the response of MM was crap in my eyes, he did not even read the topic.

HE'S BUSY, MAN (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35119.msg421902#msg421902)

This is my favorite part, since it's so much more relevant today than it was a year ago:

For me EnEsCe failed in the public relations realm but I do not blame him for that because really I don't care. What matters is if he delivers a new Soldat version or not. The game is all that matters in the end and never forget about that.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Illuminatus on October 17, 2010, 11:13:57 am
wow...this was 15 months ago...time flies fast.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: xurich on October 17, 2010, 11:46:36 am
And we're still waiting for the same version that we were waiting for then!
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 17, 2010, 04:12:12 pm
We should make a petition. Who wants Enesce off the job and should get someone useful (meaning someone not useless, for example Enesce) like Shoozza. Who's with me?
Yes, but there's no reason to only have a single developer.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: L[0ne]R on October 17, 2010, 05:34:00 pm
Petitions are useless IMHO, and most of the time are not taken seriously no matter how many signatures they have. It is especially true in case of Soldat, whose developers keep ignoring the common sense.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scarface09 on October 17, 2010, 05:50:09 pm
It was worth a try...since no new version I have resorted to playing CSS so you have already lost one "used to be" active player.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 17, 2010, 06:08:08 pm
the current sctfl is the worst in soldat history obviously. 85% of the daily discussions are about hackers and stuff.
i dont get it why neither EnEsCe (who is responsible for the CURRENT status of soldat) nor MM ( who still got the power about it) cannot use 30 mins to read the whole thread, to think a while and find a solution by giving a more than 2 sentencese text.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: PQ on October 17, 2010, 07:19:06 pm
the current sctfl is the worst in soldat history obviously. 85% of the daily discussions are about hackers and stuff.
i dont get it why neither EnEsCe (who is responsible for the CURRENT status of soldat) nor MM ( who still got the power about it) cannot use 30 mins to read the whole thread, to think a while and find a solution by giving a more than 2 sentencese text.
Reading this topic won't get soldat 1.5.1 finished. + I can remember a whole lot of sctfl's where everything was about hacking as well. Just to let you know, 1.5.1 is not going to keep the hacks away.
It's just that MM was stupid enough to promise us a new version.

The new version won't change a thing, there are probably even more bugs than in the current one. At least, you will only notice new bugs and forget about the bugs you got used to. Remember the good old time? The time where you were used to all soldat bugs. (..)

Didn't we all have projects which we stopped cause we got bored?

The only thing they're doing wrong is telling us something is coming 'soon'. But anyone who didn't get used to that hasn't played soldat last 6 years. (6 versions in 6 years including 3 fixes in 4 months cause of some f**k-ups)
MM is usually revealing details about the new version 3 weeks after the release and then telling something to come soon 1 month later. The actual release is usually around 10-18 months later.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: X-Rayz on October 18, 2010, 06:31:41 pm
You know, I used to think that BattleEye didn't do anything, but man, I miss it. Hackers don't even care these days if there's well known, respected players in the server. They used to at least stay out of the main servers and stick to inf. I see like 5 hackers a day now.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Clawbug on October 19, 2010, 10:59:46 am
Hacks are easy to deal with, just release a new version and none of the hacks work. Every single time Soldat is compiled, the hacks stop working and require some work to get them working again. Every programmer knows this. You do not need any anti-cheat protection in a game if you have solid releases every few months. Anti-cheat stuff is useful only if the same release is supposed to be floating around for ages, like Soldat versions currently are.

It's just the irony of fate that it's EnEsCe who should learn some R-E-S-P-E-C-T.(As Myron puts it in Fallout 2. ;), I'm not sure if EnEsCe is influenced by Myron or the other way around...)

The sad thing is that Soldat will not evolve from here as long as EnEsCe is in charge. Everybody knows this, even MM and EnEsCe himself.

I've said this numerous times before: The only way to get Soldat's popularity to a rise is active development. Solid, stable releases and united community are the key to success. So why not? Why do the developers want to release huge monolithic releases with near-hundred items in changelog every few years, actively postponing bugfixes to even the most irritaring bugs which directly cripple gameplay (Maps in 1.4.2, Deathmatch bug in 1.5)?

In the end nothing is going to change. I said that over 3 years ago, and here we are, wrestling with the exact same problem. Soldat will be the same shit in 2013, unless people start to ACT!
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Leo on October 19, 2010, 11:15:12 am
Hacks are easy to deal with, just release a new version and none of the hacks work. Every single time Soldat is compiled, the hacks stop working and require some work to get them working again. Every programmer knows this. You do not need any anti-cheat protection in a game if you have solid releases every few months. Anti-cheat stuff is useful only if the same release is supposed to be floating around for ages, like Soldat versions currently are.

It's just the irony of fate that it's EnEsCe who should learn some R-E-S-P-E-C-T.(As Myron puts it in Fallout 2. ;), I'm not sure if EnEsCe is influenced by Myron or the other way around...)

The sad thing is that Soldat will not evolve from here as long as EnEsCe is in charge. Everybody knows this, even MM and EnEsCe himself.

I've said this numerous times before: The only way to get Soldat's popularity to a rise is active development. Solid, stable releases and united community are the key to success. So why not? Why do the developers want to release huge monolithic releases with near-hundred items in changelog every few years, actively postponing bugfixes to even the most irritaring bugs which directly cripple gameplay (Maps in 1.4.2, Deathmatch bug in 1.5)?

In the end nothing is going to change. I said that over 3 years ago, and here we are, wrestling with the exact same problem. Soldat will be the same s**t in 2013, unless people start to ACT!
Are you serious ? People that make hacks ARE fast. There can be a bypass 2 days after a release. And then what ? You wait months for a new release to fix the hack that already worked all this time ?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Illuminatus on October 19, 2010, 11:35:24 am
Hacks are easy to deal with, just release a new version and none of the hacks work. Every single time Soldat is compiled, the hacks stop working and require some work to get them working again. Every programmer knows this. You do not need any anti-cheat protection in a game if you have solid releases every few months. Anti-cheat stuff is useful only if the same release is supposed to be floating around for ages, like Soldat versions currently are.

I'm with you on all the other stuff you wrote but this is just totaly wrong. If you are actively developing and releasing versions of the game why shouldn't there be a developer who actively maintains his hax? And believe me, it's often like that. Especially for the paid hacks who deliver some sort of "warranty" if the hack doesn't work anymore. People are actually making money by this model.
So there definitely is a need for some anti-hack-solution. Not to cure the hax-problem, because no game is 100% hack-proof. But to make it harder for the hack-developers. Yes, it will become some cat-and-mouse-game and maybe the hacker will be encouraged to get his hax work again - but that's how it goes on in multiplayer-gaming nowadays. Using accounts to identify and bind the player to some specific copy of the game is another idea (like Steam does it or the Portal-idea, which I still advocate).
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 19, 2010, 11:47:06 am
I´m still waitig for some PROPER reply of EnEsCe and of MM.
Maybe they dont take this situation serious enough but they really should.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Stuffy on October 19, 2010, 12:12:51 pm
I´m still waitig for some PROPER reply of EnEsCe and of MM.
Maybe they dont take this situation serious enough but they really should.

Why should they? Whats the worst thing we can do? Stop playing soldat? I guess only 50% of all the people in soldatforums still play soldat every day. And the most people are not even registered here. So we have to hope for their grace, which really pisses me off.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Clawbug on October 19, 2010, 01:19:47 pm
Hacks are easy to deal with, just release a new version and none of the hacks work. Every single time Soldat is compiled, the hacks stop working and require some work to get them working again. Every programmer knows this. You do not need any anti-cheat protection in a game if you have solid releases every few months. Anti-cheat stuff is useful only if the same release is supposed to be floating around for ages, like Soldat versions currently are.

It's just the irony of fate that it's EnEsCe who should learn some R-E-S-P-E-C-T.(As Myron puts it in Fallout 2. ;), I'm not sure if EnEsCe is influenced by Myron or the other way around...)

The sad thing is that Soldat will not evolve from here as long as EnEsCe is in charge. Everybody knows this, even MM and EnEsCe himself.

I've said this numerous times before: The only way to get Soldat's popularity to a rise is active development. Solid, stable releases and united community are the key to success. So why not? Why do the developers want to release huge monolithic releases with near-hundred items in changelog every few years, actively postponing bugfixes to even the most irritaring bugs which directly cripple gameplay (Maps in 1.4.2, Deathmatch bug in 1.5)?

In the end nothing is going to change. I said that over 3 years ago, and here we are, wrestling with the exact same problem. Soldat will be the same s**t in 2013, unless people start to ACT!
Are you serious ? People that make hacks ARE fast. There can be a bypass 2 days after a release. And then what ? You wait months for a new release to fix the hack that already worked all this time ?

Let them be. How is that a problem? Why wouldn't the Soldat's developer be faster? There are hacks, and there will always be hacks. I'd say that if it takes 2 days to get around a bypass, they're quite slow. :)

However, there is no reason to start hacking a game when you know your hack will become obsolete in matter of months, if not weeks. Then you need to do most of the work again. It's a completely different story to start scanning tens of addresses, than to take a new recipe out from the book and implement it. The way the hacks work and bypass the anti-cheat protection isn't anything new. Hackers just copy other hackers' ideas and implement them to their hacks and it works. Cool.

Right now, a hack which was working when 1.5 was released still works. And will work until 1.5.1 is released. Then you need to redo most of the work to get it working again.

Hacks are easy to deal with, just release a new version and none of the hacks work. Every single time Soldat is compiled, the hacks stop working and require some work to get them working again. Every programmer knows this. You do not need any anti-cheat protection in a game if you have solid releases every few months. Anti-cheat stuff is useful only if the same release is supposed to be floating around for ages, like Soldat versions currently are.

I'm with you on all the other stuff you wrote but this is just totaly wrong. If you are actively developing and releasing versions of the game why shouldn't there be a developer who actively maintains his hax? And believe me, it's often like that. Especially for the paid hacks who deliver some sort of "warranty" if the hack doesn't work anymore. People are actually making money by this model.
So there definitely is a need for some anti-hack-solution. Not to cure the hax-problem, because no game is 100% hack-proof. But to make it harder for the hack-developers. Yes, it will become some cat-and-mouse-game and maybe the hacker will be encouraged to get his hax work again - but that's how it goes on in multiplayer-gaming nowadays. Using accounts to identify and bind the player to some specific copy of the game is another idea (like Steam does it or the Portal-idea, which I still advocate).

Portal system doesn't change a thing in regards of hacking. Besides, the most frustrating thing about games is the need to create an account. I'd say it's a definite step backwards for Soldat.

Even if 1.5.1 had perfect weapon balance which everyone agreed upon, fixed every single bug, had perfectly balanced maps, it wouldn't turn Soldat's current nosedive to a rise. Far from it. No one bothers playing a game which isn't actively developed. People should just learn how to let go and let Soldat die, obviously the glory days are long gone now.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scout on October 19, 2010, 02:11:07 pm
There, he said all of it. Key words - There isn't going to be another Soldat version if the current developer isn't doing crap about it.

I rest my case, Soldat is dead in my eyes. I can hardly even touch a modding project nowadays. Why bother anyways?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: xmRipper on October 19, 2010, 02:12:44 pm
(...) After 1.5.1 is out I will make further announcments for Soldat's future.
Yeah it should be open source, there are lots of people that would do this development for FREE.

*cough*
The comments in this thread are a prime example of why development on this FREE, time consuming spaghetti-code game has progressively gotten worse.

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Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Rotem on October 19, 2010, 03:14:18 pm
why not using PB for soldat instead of BE?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Mittsu on October 19, 2010, 03:39:06 pm
you're gonna pay for it?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: xmRipper on October 19, 2010, 04:48:44 pm
why not using PB for soldat instead of BE?
How MM can pay PunkBuster while he can not even afford BattlEye.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Blacksheepboy on October 19, 2010, 06:10:50 pm
Quote from: EnEsCe
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=38999.0 There we go, please help em

I love how Enesce's stayed clear of this thread.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 19, 2010, 07:19:12 pm
Quote from: EnEsCe
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=38999.0 There we go, please help em

I love how Enesce's stayed clear of this thread.
there is no evidence that it was really him and i HOPE so but still this situation is so fucked.
EnEsCe is not even replying properly as a developer should do, and MM is not reading this Thread and does not act.
Instead of reading this thread  and find a solution he is philosophising about Windows and Linux ( http://mm.soldat.pl )
The only ones who keep that game running for a long time is the community.

i´d like to suggest to everyone here to just message both of them in every kind you can do as they will not do anything about it else.

Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: L[0ne]R on October 19, 2010, 11:17:46 pm
i´d like to suggest to everyone here to just message both of them in every kind you can do as they will not do anything about it else.
Yeah, I'm starting to think that mass community rage spam directly to NSC's and MM's email/twitter/blog/whatever is the only thing that might actually work.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 20, 2010, 12:44:11 am
Let them be. How is that a problem? Why wouldn't the Soldat's developer be faster? There are hacks, and there will always be hacks. I'd say that if it takes 2 days to get around a bypass, they're quite slow.

However, there is no reason to start hacking a game when you know your hack will become obsolete in matter of months, if not weeks. Then you need to do most of the work again. It's a completely different story to start scanning tens of addresses, than to take a new recipe out from the book and implement it. The way the hacks work and bypass the anti-cheat protection isn't anything new. Hackers just copy other hackers' ideas and implement them to their hacks and it works. Cool.

Right now, a hack which was working when 1.5 was released still works. And will work until 1.5.1 is released. Then you need to redo most of the work to get it working again.
I'm trying to figure out why you say first that 2 days is a long time to develop a hack and then that there's no reason to hack a game when it will become obsolete in a matter of months

I've programmed for hours to get something I use for 5 minutes, that's a damn good return on investment there

The idea that shuffling a binary around every couple weeks (forcing users and servers to patch as well) is sufficient for preventing hacking is really, really dumb
Understand that I don't think you're dumb Clawbug but that ``protection" is a joke
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: vehicledestroyer on October 20, 2010, 12:48:08 am
i´d like to suggest to everyone here to just message both of them in every kind you can do as they will not do anything about it else.

Yeah, I'm starting to think that mass community rage spam directly to NSC's and MM's email/twitter/blog/whatever is the only thing that might actually work.

I think the exact opposite. Though, desperate times do call for desperate measures. But now is not "desperate". It's defiantly critical times, but let's not go crazy. I say 'Shut The F*** Up' until 1.5.1 (or 1.6?) is out and MM has made his announcement "about the future of Soldat" -MM. Then we can have our inter-web riot, and you can BET I'll be there destroying cars!!
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Mittsu on October 20, 2010, 01:59:15 am
Let them be. How is that a problem? Why wouldn't the Soldat's developer be faster? There are hacks, and there will always be hacks. I'd say that if it takes 2 days to get around a bypass, they're quite slow.

However, there is no reason to start hacking a game when you know your hack will become obsolete in matter of months, if not weeks. Then you need to do most of the work again. It's a completely different story to start scanning tens of addresses, than to take a new recipe out from the book and implement it. The way the hacks work and bypass the anti-cheat protection isn't anything new. Hackers just copy other hackers' ideas and implement them to their hacks and it works. Cool.

Right now, a hack which was working when 1.5 was released still works. And will work until 1.5.1 is released. Then you need to redo most of the work to get it working again.
I'm trying to figure out why you say first that 2 days is a long time to develop a hack and then that there's no reason to hack a game when it will become obsolete in a matter of months

I've programmed for hours to get something I use for 5 minutes, that's a damn good return on investment there

The idea that shuffling a binary around every couple weeks (forcing users and servers to patch as well) is sufficient for preventing hacking is really, really dumb
Understand that I don't think you're dumb Clawbug but that ``protection" is a joke

i'm no programmer, but this sounds good to me

hypothetically, what if there was an automatic way to shuffle a little part of the code everyday just to make the hacks incompatible. The change would be so small that users would update (automatically) their client in seconds, for example while viewing lobby

Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scarface09 on October 20, 2010, 03:45:15 am
[quote author=Clawbug link=topic=38999.msg477998#msg477998 date=1287512387
hypothetically, what if there was an automatic way to shuffle a little part of the code everyday just to make the hacks incompatible. The change would be so small that users would update (automatically) their client in seconds, for example while viewing lobby

That would take years to do...if not never.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 20, 2010, 04:05:19 am
i'm no programmer, but this sounds good to me

hypothetically, what if there was an automatic way to shuffle a little part of the code everyday just to make the hacks incompatible. The change would be so small that users would update (automatically) their client in seconds, for example while viewing lobby
P sure it would not be difficult to automate the process of finding the correct address when all you're doing is shuffling offsets
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Clawbug on October 20, 2010, 06:17:56 am
Let them be. How is that a problem? Why wouldn't the Soldat's developer be faster? There are hacks, and there will always be hacks. I'd say that if it takes 2 days to get around a bypass, they're quite slow.

However, there is no reason to start hacking a game when you know your hack will become obsolete in matter of months, if not weeks. Then you need to do most of the work again. It's a completely different story to start scanning tens of addresses, than to take a new recipe out from the book and implement it. The way the hacks work and bypass the anti-cheat protection isn't anything new. Hackers just copy other hackers' ideas and implement them to their hacks and it works. Cool.

Right now, a hack which was working when 1.5 was released still works. And will work until 1.5.1 is released. Then you need to redo most of the work to get it working again.
I'm trying to figure out why you say first that 2 days is a long time to develop a hack and then that there's no reason to hack a game when it will become obsolete in a matter of months

I've programmed for hours to get something I use for 5 minutes, that's a damn good return on investment there

The idea that shuffling a binary around every couple weeks (forcing users and servers to patch as well) is sufficient for preventing hacking is really, really dumb
Understand that I don't think you're dumb Clawbug but that ``protection" is a joke
Same, but right now Soldat gives a great platform to experiment and learn how to hack, because the binary never changes, or changes once per every few years.

What else would you propose? BE isn't an option and built-in methods prevent nothing, just slow it down a bit for a while. BE is the only hope, and frankly I'd rather start writing hacks for myself than start paying for BE, just to fight for the cause.

I hope we both agree that the ultimate reason and benefit behind stable release cycle isn't hacks. Actually, why on earth do people care about hacks that much? It's not like they're the real problem with the game. Just create your own server and play with some friends, or join your friends on another server. Problem solved.

Edit: Holy crap, MM is viewing this thread! :O
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 20, 2010, 01:30:22 pm
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What else would you propose?
Heuristic and signature based detection, same as every other computer security measure

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BE is the only hope
I'll reiterate that I'd gladly work on anti-hack measures if the game is open-sourced or gets a decent sized dev team

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I hope we both agree that the ultimate reason and benefit behind stable release cycle isn't hacks.
Word

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Actually, why on earth do people care about hacks that much?
Because people play in and enjoy pubs, gathers, cws, leagues, etc

Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Clawbug on October 20, 2010, 03:27:48 pm
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What else would you propose?
Heuristic and signature based detection, same as every other computer security measure
Who would maintain the database? How would this be implemented in a way that there wouldn't be a bypass in 2 days after update? Obfuscating code, self-modifying code and polymorphism are the key to success against signature based detection methodology, and easy to implement depending on the language.
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BE is the only hope
I'll reiterate that I'd gladly work on anti-hack measures if the game is open-sourced or gets a decent sized dev team
Same, but that isn't going to happen I'm afraid.
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Actually, why on earth do people care about hacks that much?
Because people play in and enjoy pubs, gathers, cws, leagues, etc
During the past 4 or so days which I've spent on publics, I haven't seen a single obvious hacker. If I couldn't distinguish a good player from a definite hacker, I wouldn't have noticed the one certain aimbot I encountered. For me it seems that everyone is suspicious about everyone, for no real reason. But the most irritating thing is the vote-kick system when every good player gets kicked because of hacks.

Edit: Ha, it didn't take long. I just met someone very obvious player using malicious things for his own advantage. There's definitely a problem with it. :|

I don't know about the situation in gathers/leagues, as I haven't played any competitive games for over 15 months now, but what I can recall, there was some serious issues even back when I used to play actively "in the scene".

But I consider the amount of bugs, broken functionality in the game and weapon balance to be a bigger concern than hacks. A new release will get all of them fixed instantly. :)
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 20, 2010, 04:04:40 pm
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How would this be implemented in a way that there wouldn't be a bypass in 2 days after update? Obfuscating code, self-modifying code and polymorphism are the key to success against signature based detection methodology, and easy to implement depending on the language.
Hence heuristics. Also, that doesn't make signature detection not useful.




Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Illuminatus on October 20, 2010, 07:18:27 pm
Yeah, I'm starting to think that mass community rage spam directly to NSC's and MM's email/twitter/blog/whatever is the only thing that might actually work.

I'm beginning to think the same. But not yet. I'm giving him (MM) 3 weeks from now on. I want at least a clear message that he read the thread, understood our issues, (hopefully also worries about the situation) and tells us what finally will happen to Soldat. I gave up the hope that we will see the new v1.5.1 within this timeframe.
Maybe me get kicked of Link-Dead alphatesting for the following spamming but I don't care. I don't want to help testing a game if the developer behaves this way (stop communicating with his old community which made him big).
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: CheeSeMan. on October 21, 2010, 04:31:22 am
Actually it has , cause if soldats new version would come out right now they would play with an outdated version and stuff.

The version (and servers) used would be updated as soon as possible. Why would the SCTFL staff delay something that's obviously good for the league itself? Not to forget that MM and EnEsCe has no actual connections to the people running the league; one could say they don't even know it exists.

new soldat versions have came out numerous times during past SCTFL seasons and sctfl upgrades to the new version immediately...  i've given up hope of anything tbh^^ no updates at all not even a little message and BE getting removed has sent this game directly down the drain.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: kunderez on October 22, 2010, 10:17:58 am
I think you can prevent few hacks from the server side quite easily.
You just need to keep track of player's actions... for example:
- Teleporting: track player's movement when he is alive, if position changes too much, warning should be raised

- Faster reloading: when player start to reload his weapon server should save the timestamp and after reloading check if the time difference was appropriate, if it wasn't then raise warning.

- Multiple bullets / faster firing: When player shoots a bullet, disable firing until he actually can fire the next round... in other words... just simply ignore network packets saying "fire bullet x" until weapon is ready to fire


Edit: And for the smartasses... of course latency should be taken into account as well as environmental effects ( explosives/bullets pushing effect )

From: October 22, 2010, 01:58:50 pm
Give me the source code and two months and you'll get completely refactored multi-platform soldat with OpenGL rendering, OpenAL sounds, lower system requirements and better netcode. I cant promise new features with that schedule.
Why two months... well, it takes one week to fully inspect the whole system architechture at the same time doing some minor optimizations and refactorings( optimizing the performance of frequently used functions, re-structuring similar functionalities into functions/classes, limiting variable scope to reduce errors caused by using dangerous globals, securing the code for errors ). The following four weeks would be major refactorings and optimizations( converting ancient routines to newer, spaghetti code / spiderweb to properly isolated logical blocks aka classes and interfaces - using common design patterns ). Then there will be three weeks for proper testing, fixing and tuning.
Am I going for this alone? Nope, I am willing to delegate tasks for other programmers who have the skills and interest for this.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 22, 2010, 03:29:42 pm
I can sell you a bridge in a day
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Clawbug on October 22, 2010, 03:41:18 pm
Kunderez, just make your own client. :) Reverse engineering the protocol shouldn't be much of a job, if you could do all that refactoring and testing in two months.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 22, 2010, 03:57:04 pm
@kunderez trusting strangers on the web is kinda difficult without any background information about
- person
- former projects
- and stuff like that...

by the way its not sure whats gonna happen to soldat and its future.
its a bit too early to apply for that job but still i´m appreciating that.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: kunderez on October 22, 2010, 04:27:12 pm
I know it's hard to trust a stranger.. as I stated few ten posts before in this same thread... and I cant blame you, internet is anonymous place.

I have mailed MM and I told him the same story, he havent responded yet...
I just thought I could use my profession to save my favourite game. I didnt expect anything.... well, to be honest I expected some trolling, and thats what I got( ty veritas & clawbug )... but I was happy to see dardar's positive reply.

well then, lets think this around... If I was a scam-artist, why would I bother doing this? Could I benefit somehow? There are tons of open-source game engines( irrlicht, ID tech-engines, unreal tournament engines ), full games etc... why would I ever want to steal Soldat's spaghetti-sourcecodes?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Clawbug on October 22, 2010, 05:33:31 pm
Trolling? I genuinely believe that reverse engineering the protocol and writing your own client would be easier task than getting hold of the source and refactoring the almost 10-year old Delphi code to get things rolling again. Even if you'd get the source, it would still be wiser to do most of the work from scratch. Have you taken a look at openSoldat?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: kunderez on October 23, 2010, 03:39:53 am
Yep, I looked at openSoldat... but I didnt consider that as an option.

If I had to write soldat client from scratch I would use java... I know you guys just got scared because most of the people hate java... and hate usually bubbles from poor knowledge of java's possibilities.
Just to proof that java is a serious option I will shortly list the good and the bad points...

Pros:
+ multiplatform by default ( windows, mac, linux, mobile devices, you can even embed the game into webpage => more players )
+ clear looks ( visually looks like other common OO languages, => easy to understand and develop.. of course you can f*ck it up by poor design but that's not the case here )
+ super-easy scripting support with javascript ( I know you guys got scared of javascript too :D but trust me, it will rock, at least it kicks lua's ass 100x and JS is a rising star in the industry... and for a reason. Imagine that you can write your own GUI-drawing code, command aliases and snippets... and you are not limited to using clumsy interface-editors or few limited console commands that cant be chained or parameterized... )
+ easy to create modular structured programs ( you can easily split the program to several subsystems that can be replaced, for example input-module, gfx-module, sfx-module, networking module.... and those can be developed separately by other developers => faster bugfixes and new features )
+ memory manipulation will crash the virtualmachine ( in other words: cheating will get a lot harder )

Cons:
- performance ( I know you smartasses were waiting for this, but I have studied this more than the most of you guys and this will not be anywhere near a problem if things are done correctly. The reason why I listed this here is that runtime compiled languages will allways be slightly slower because of their nature )

If I had to write soldat server from scratch I would use nodejs.. If you are a developer and you dont know what nodejs is then quickly google it! It is a event based scriptable network server built on top of the google's super fast v8 engine. There just simply is no reason why nodejs shouldnt be used.

Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 23, 2010, 04:56:23 am
This entire discussion is futile as long as MM or EnEsCe don't reply.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 23, 2010, 05:23:31 am
its my birthday wheres my goddamn present  :'(
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Clawbug on October 23, 2010, 07:10:47 am
Yep, I looked at openSoldat... but I didnt consider that as an option.
Why not?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: kunderez on October 23, 2010, 08:39:03 am
Yep, I looked at openSoldat... but I didnt consider that as an option.
Why not?

It seems like a doomed project... Quotes below are copied from oS forum...

Quote
So, is this thing even alive?
is there any progress, and is anyone caring about this?
Quote
I was wondering myself. Everything just kinda.. died.

OpenSoldat may be well structured project but it is not soldat, because it is an partial approximation of soldat's "business logic". Soldat however, despite that it may be poorly structured, already has all features ppl want.. all it needs is restoration.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Clawbug on October 23, 2010, 09:01:19 am
...

Source code is there in easily hackable form, just fetch it and start working. Right now it must be the path of least resistance if you want to contribute somehow.

It's easy to talk big, plan and make sure everything should be ready for development.. However, actually getting things done is completely another story, as oS shows. It is far more important to get things done, than to plan them beforehand.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: CheeSeMan. on October 23, 2010, 01:44:20 pm
kunderez make yourself less of a stranger and code us an anti-cheat for sctfl! :))))

I really don't understand how/why MM has let it come to this point... any rage @ soldat topic posted here or in sctfl forums causes pretty much immediately a 10+ page thread which surely must mean something about the general feel atm ...........
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scarface09 on October 24, 2010, 05:20:20 am
why should he care...hes used this to get himself famous and now he will reep the rewards from his new shitty game link-gay.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Clawbug on October 24, 2010, 05:49:06 am
I'd say that if from the two, Soldat is the shitty one, partly thanks to the development pace. :)
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scarface09 on October 24, 2010, 05:54:06 am
the development is and always will be a conspiracy mate.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 26, 2010, 02:11:57 pm
If you really want to talk about conspiracies.. link (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35174.0)
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 26, 2010, 07:26:36 pm
If you really want to talk about conspiracies.. link (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35174.0)
Huh.

Well then, time to write an e-mail to the Free Software Foundation.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: demoniac93 on October 27, 2010, 06:52:21 am
Let's stick to facts: Soldat is dead, we all hate to admit it, but it is.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 27, 2010, 07:16:22 am
push
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: CurryWurst on October 27, 2010, 07:24:01 am
Look at the front page (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=39118.msg478498#new) to face the truth. EnEsCe has resigned...

[size=8]It's time for a change![/size]
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 27, 2010, 07:33:21 am
"Hey guys,
Just a quick post to let you all know that I am resigning as main Soldat developer due to a lack of time and interest in Soldat.

MM will post further information when he is ready

Thanks and good luck!"

SIMPLY UNBELIEVABLE to point that out in 2 sentences.
so what now...?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: dnmr on October 27, 2010, 07:43:13 am
Good news, everyone!

/me gets the popcorn
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Stuffy on October 27, 2010, 07:46:48 am
yeah, things getting funny now.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 27, 2010, 07:49:41 am
Finally. Finally there is hope.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: xmRipper on October 27, 2010, 08:22:13 am
It's the time for open-source Soldat.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Rotem on October 27, 2010, 08:23:43 am
so who is the new DEV now and where do u guys take the info from?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 27, 2010, 08:24:05 am
It's the time for open-source Soldat.
+ dev. team

From: October 27, 2010, 08:24:47 am
so who is the new DEV now and where do u guys take the info from?

no one is the dev. now the info is from " forums.soldat.pl "  see on News:
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 27, 2010, 08:25:31 am
@Rotem: I think MM will go more into detail as soon as he feels like. I already noticed he was online today, but he didn't reply yet.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Leo on October 27, 2010, 09:46:39 am
At least something WILL happen finally.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: demoniac93 on October 27, 2010, 09:58:52 am
At least something WILL happen finally.

Yeah, the emotionally disturbed kid took the pussy's way out and now the position is free.
Please God, help our Soldat!
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Suowarrior on October 27, 2010, 10:04:04 am
Finally. Finally there is hope.
I'm more scared that the last piece of hope is gone now :(.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Atticus on October 27, 2010, 10:30:13 am
If it bleeds, we can kill it!
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Monsteri on October 27, 2010, 11:08:03 am
Hard text here.. But whatabout if MM is just shutting it all down??  :o  But don't be so nasty to EnEsCe. He's gone, don't mock those who are gone.. :)
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Mittsu on October 27, 2010, 11:38:50 am
this is a good news for me, there are so many competent people who are willing to help, and the doors are open now

but i hope this won't delay the release of 1.5.1 even more
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Furai on October 27, 2010, 12:07:13 pm
I know that I'll be lynched for it but whatever... I would like to thank EnEsCe for all his effort that he put into developing soldat here in this topic since the other one is locked. Good job. :)
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Farah on October 27, 2010, 12:09:34 pm
Aww, I can't 'defame' him anymore :(
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Monsteri on October 27, 2010, 12:13:06 pm
I know that I'll be lynched for it but whatever... I would like to thank EnEsCe for all his effort that he put into developing soldat here in this topic since the other one is locked. Good job. :)
Nah, at least I'm not lynching you, thats right.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Illuminatus on October 27, 2010, 12:14:05 pm
Remember, remember, the twenty-seventh of octember! Another turning point in Soldat development history.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Squakingcow on October 27, 2010, 12:35:07 pm
bwahahhahahaha bwahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha ah.

'bout fucking time.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Biscuiteer on October 27, 2010, 12:59:54 pm
Look at the front page (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=39118.msg478498#new) to face the truth. EnEsCe has resigned...

[size=8]It's time for a change![/size]

Mind Asploded!

This caught me off guard... but finally we may rejoice! I sincerely hope MM one-ups this news flash with even better news. Shoozza as main developer, anyone?

However, one thing did catch my eye. Notice in EnEsCe's post he says he has resigned as main developer. So he might still be around to finish up Portal or something... however it probably won't be much of an issue for us any longer.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: JFK on October 27, 2010, 01:06:16 pm
I would like to thank EnEsCe for all his effort that he put into developing soldat here in this topic since the other one is locked. Good job. :)

Me too. It might not have been what we all expected, but still thanks for the effort!

Also I'm not that certain that he left. As Biscuiteer says the topic states 'main developer' and the italic main could mean he'd still be involved. That wouldn't be such a bad idea, since he's probably the one that knows most about Soldat's source.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: PQ on October 27, 2010, 01:26:38 pm
Thanks to EnEsCe for the development of the almost finished soldat 1.5.1 (+thanks to the development of 1.5.0 ofcourse) and doing the least appreciated job at soldat. Let's hope he will continue the development of soldat as a secondary developer.

Let's see if things are going to change now. We really have to change the development of soldat if we want to keep it alive.
Too bad I can't code myself, and I haven't been real active at contributing to soldat last years but I promise I am going to make a some promo vid if soldat is going open source/on real development.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Mittsu on October 27, 2010, 01:30:09 pm
Shoozza as main developer, anyone?

im not convinced about Shoozzaa, he seems freakin weird to me, but maybe im wrong
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Beowulf Agate on October 27, 2010, 01:34:04 pm
Shoozza as main developer, anyone?

im not convinced about Shoozzaa, he seems freakin weird to me, but maybe im wrong

Its "Shoozza"  :-\
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: vehicledestroyer on October 27, 2010, 01:45:36 pm
Its "Shoozza"  :-\

Shoozza as main developer, anyone?

im not convinced about Shoozzaa, he seems freakin weird to me, but maybe im wrong

I too know little about Shoozzaa and why everyone want's him to dev. Soldat; I'm sure with good reason... Like anything new to Soldat, it needs 85% community support. and I'd like to  know why I should support Shoozzaa. FYI, "Hes r only hope!!" is not an argument.

Too bad I can't code myself, and I haven't been real active at contributing to soldat last years but I promise I am going to make a some promo vid if soldat is going open source/on real development.

I was thinking the same thing. There are many of people who would love to help develop. Soldat. But there are other people with other skill sets important to game development. From people that are good at management (if Soldat is to have a 'Team' of developers. they need to be managed.) To someone in charge with 'Public affairs'!! MM said it him self. EnEsCe wasn't good at communicating with the community. And we know how that ended; 11 months  of no progress and not one word.

My point is, yes we need a full group, team, crew, what ever; developing Soldat. But now the question is how do we (the community) find a trust someone? The same goes for MM (and EnEsCe I guess), they didn't trust Shoozza before, will he now, or trust anyone else for that matter. I swear! We're going to get some random guy from MM's transhuman development.

I'm making a new thread about this!

-Vehicle Destroyer-

Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Mittsu on October 27, 2010, 01:50:33 pm
Shoozza as main developer, anyone?

im not convinced about Shoozzaa, he seems freakin weird to me, but maybe im wrong

Its "Shoozza"  :-\

i know, mistyped

and people seem to choose shoozza because he's good at coding, but i think that personality is important as well (see: enesce)
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Blacksheepboy on October 27, 2010, 01:54:43 pm
Who the hell is Shoozza...?

And this is pretty interesting news. The community sure got the boiler hot.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: PQ on October 27, 2010, 01:57:12 pm
I was thinking the same thing. There are many of people who would love to help develop. Soldat. But there are other people with other skill sets important to game development. From people that are good at management (if Soldat is to have a 'Team' of developers. they need to be managed.) To someone in charge with 'Public affairs'!! MM said it him self. EnEsCe wasn't good at communicating with the community. And we know how that ended; 11 months  of no progress and not one word.
lol, I wanna be soldat's PR agent! I will get us on Groupon! (my work)
hahhahaha

ps. quite funny you spell Shoozza wrong again.
pps. Shoozza is another ex-hacker. He's currently developing arsse and some (legal) chatscript-hack.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Mittsu on October 27, 2010, 01:57:27 pm
by the way, i secretely wish Toumaz'd get on the team because he certainly knows how to handle shit
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 27, 2010, 01:59:27 pm
Shoozza is a trustable ex-hacker. I like talking to him and another plus is that he can speak German as well.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 27, 2010, 02:16:17 pm
Shoozza is a trustful person who can communicate and i think thats one of the most important things for an indie game. that the Developer is a PART of the community and that neither the dev. nor the community stands alone.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Clawbug on October 27, 2010, 02:27:46 pm

...snip...

-Vehicle Destroyer-

You haven't been on these forums long enough to even know about the real issues with EnEsCe(did you know that he intentionally rented servers which artificially showed lower pings than what the ping actually was?), nor how Shoozza has contributed to Soldat. In short: EnEsCe sucks(Isn't trustworthy, as seen multiple times before. Is bitch to the community. Can't deliver, as seen with 1.4.3, 1.5.1 etc) and Shoozza ROCKS(Apart from the fact that he can't deliver openSoldat).
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: demoniac93 on October 27, 2010, 02:32:23 pm
Well, Shoozza does seem to have his mindset fixed at the proper angle, but he doesn't seem to be able to show any results.
I too support his becoming the main dev, but promises alone won't do, this game needs some a (=) at the end of it's equation, and no-one's been able to show it so far.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: xmRipper on October 27, 2010, 02:39:44 pm
Well, Shoozza does seem to have his mindset fixed at the proper angle, but he doesn't seem to be able to show any results.
I too support his becoming the main dev, but promises alone won't do, this game needs some a (=) at the end of it's equation, and no-one's been able to show it so far.

Then what about open-source Soldat with Shoozza's main development and project leadership?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: demoniac93 on October 27, 2010, 02:41:52 pm
Well, Shoozza does seem to have his mindset fixed at the proper angle, but he doesn't seem to be able to show any results.
I too support his becoming the main dev, but promises alone won't do, this game needs some a (=) at the end of it's equation, and no-one's been able to show it so far.

Then what about open-source Soldat with Shoozza's main development and project leadership?

Open Soldat is more of a modernized economics statement than a shot at reviving Soldat.
It ain't the same.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: vehicledestroyer on October 27, 2010, 03:08:57 pm
You haven't been on these forums long enough to even know about the real issues with EnEsCe(did you know that he intentionally rented servers which artificially showed lower pings than what the ping actually was?), nor how Shoozza has contributed to Soldat. In short: EnEsCe sucks(Isn't trustworthy, as seen multiple times before. Is b***h to the community. Can't deliver, as seen with 1.4.3, 1.5.1 etc) and Shoozza ROCKS(Apart from the fact that he can't deliver openSoldat).

I've been in the background of the forums for a long time (just signed up 2 months ago). I saw some stuff about the artificial pings but never read much of it. I do know some of what Shoozza (spelled it right!) has done, and I see why YOU (the community) are convinced he's the one for Soldat. and it's not that I'm not convinced, I really can't say what it is. I guess I want Shoozza to answer for himself. I think that's my issue, that through out this whole challenge of  EnEsCe's right as a developer he's not around...
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Illuminatus on October 27, 2010, 04:40:15 pm
Well, Shoozza does seem to have his mindset fixed at the proper angle, but he doesn't seem to be able to show any results.
I too support his becoming the main dev, but promises alone won't do, this game needs some a (=) at the end of it's equation, and no-one's been able to show it so far.

You wanna know more about him? Here you go:

- Soldat Wiki (http://wiki.soldat.nl/Shoozza) (has many informations about his past and connections with EnEsCe & MM)
- Besides ARSSE (http://arsse.u13.net/) he also coded the chatMod (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=9760.0) which - with the last versions - even fixes three Soldat bugs. One of them is the famous (and embarrassing) "invisible F1 menu" bug in deathmatch and rambomatch.
- Some interesting posts concering him as Soldat developer: *click* (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35119.msg435898#msg435898), *click* (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35119.msg435910#msg435910), *click* (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=9760.msg472552#msg472552) (<-- the reason why EnEsCe didn't want him in development), *click* (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=35119.msg436724#msg436724) and *click* (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=9760.msg473901#msg473901) (<-- the last two show quite good Shoozza's attitude)
- Also skip through his posts (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=3916). You will often see him helping people having error-message or other technical problems.

Since this is about getting (a) new developer(s) because the old one resigned, here (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=37839.msg462843#msg462843) you have MM's thoughts (from April 2010) about the other concept for Soldat's future: making it open-source.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Furai on October 27, 2010, 05:17:27 pm
Btw, who edits soldat.wiki?
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: darDar on October 27, 2010, 05:21:38 pm
everyone who wants
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Illuminatus on October 27, 2010, 05:56:46 pm
Yeah, everyone is allowed to make changes.
But for Shoozza's page: click on history (http://wiki.soldat.nl/w/index.php?title=K&action=history) and you can see that most of the text is written by himself, "k" (which is his other/former nickname).
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Toxic Avenger on October 27, 2010, 08:58:09 pm
by the way, i secretely wish Toumaz'd get on the team because he certainly knows how to handle s**t
This.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 27, 2010, 10:35:09 pm
-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_wEs9x7G3w
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: vehicledestroyer on October 28, 2010, 02:14:14 am
Thank you Illuminatus, that information was very... informing.

About my other argument:
Quote
through out this whole challenge of  EnEsCe's right as a developer he's not around...

Anyone want to contact Shoozza? Let us know when you do.

The topic I promised (http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=39120.0)
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Mittsu on October 28, 2010, 04:09:18 am
Yeah, everyone is allowed to make changes.
But for Shoozza's page: click on history (http://wiki.soldat.nl/w/index.php?title=K&action=history) and you can see that most of the text is written by himself, "k" (which is his other/former nickname).

yes, and seeing the detail of the article, it creeps the hell outta me
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Bonecrusher on October 28, 2010, 07:22:57 am
Shoozza is trustworthy I've known him for a long time. About Toumaz, from what I can see he's also a person with attitude that I like. Based on IRC conversations he handles in #soldat.devs always helping people out. Word about NSC I was really hoping he could handle his position of soldat main developer. Obviously he couldn't, I hope he will be helping the new dev team he knows a lot of the soldat source code as it was mentioned before. Waiting for "further info which is supposed to be posted by MM when he's ready"
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Monsteri on October 28, 2010, 08:45:54 am
Well I guess that we cant do anything else than wait for MM's reply.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: scarface09 on October 28, 2010, 04:37:54 pm
This is a miracle. It took enesce this long to fucking crack...I was waiting for it. It was a matter of time, and for this we all had to suffer so he could have his little enjoyment out of it. What a joke.

GL to the new development...if MM still wants to persist it.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Furai on October 28, 2010, 04:56:23 pm
Most interested people in development of soldat probably seen MM's reply to question whether he's going to announce sth or not but I'll post it here anyway:
"( MM47 ) sorry, I will answer when I have decided what to say, give me a bit more time" (#soldat.devs @ quakenet.org)
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Firebolt145 on October 28, 2010, 05:26:54 pm
Funnily enough, most of the old 'lolhackers crew' are friends with and respect Shoozza. Pretty sure we'd all support him to do Soldat justice.

Sadly can't say the same about ol' EnEsCe.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Illuminatus on October 28, 2010, 05:41:46 pm
Yeah, at the moment MM is busy with Link-Dead, polishing it up for next public test-version. I think we need to wait after it is released. The private alpha version is working quite well, just some technical issues. And of course balancing.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Veritas on October 28, 2010, 05:55:54 pm
I'm glad MM is working on his unreleased game and ignoring his released game that doesn't actually have a developer, especially since a paragraph post about what directions he's considering taking is an extremely time consuming process
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: L[0ne]R on October 28, 2010, 07:18:33 pm
Yeah, at the moment MM is busy with Link-Dead, polishing it up for next public test-version. I think we need to wait after it is released. The private alpha version is working quite well, just some technical issues. And of course balancing.
What I don't understand is: would it really be that much of a problem for MM to spend a day or two deciding about what should be done about Soldat? It's not like there's a deadline for finishing Link-Dead.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: vehicledestroyer on October 28, 2010, 09:16:29 pm
What I don't understand is: would it really be that much of a problem for MM to spend a day or two deciding about what should be done about Soldat?

The time MM is taking says that Soldat will be opensource, even though everything in me tells me it's not. Plus EnEsCe said he's resigning as main developer. The two of them could be dicideng who this will be... I don't know...

It's not like there's a deadline for finishing Link-Dead.

True, but 'we' as the Soldat community have learned -because we have to- be patient. Once you get tired of waiting and look away the announcement will be here.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Trctr.McTroy on October 31, 2010, 03:29:10 am
Jesus, can you imagine how bad Soldat would be if it were open source? Version control NIGHTMARE. It's hard enough to find a GOOD server (see: impossible) right now, think about how hard it would be after everyone starts making their "lol in this version you can play as a girl" or whatever versions!
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 31, 2010, 04:15:13 am
Yeah, girls make finding servers so much harder
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Trctr.McTroy on October 31, 2010, 04:30:09 am
Yeah, girls make finding servers so much harder

No, I meant different Soldat versions that have stupid slightly different features.
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: DarkCrusade on October 31, 2010, 05:27:41 am
1.4.1 - 1.4.2 - 1.5.0

Nah, kidding :) I don't think that'll be much of a problem
Title: Re: Is the developement of this game still alive ?
Post by: Shoozza on October 31, 2010, 05:36:11 am
Yeah, girls make finding servers so much harder

No, I meant different Soldat versions that have stupid slightly different features.
Soldat would have his own official repository with trusted commiters.

Even if that happens there will be still only one real version of Soldat.
Look at XChat, there are a few unofficial versions but they have different names.

You have to make sure the official version is under active development or a fork will win.