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Soldat Talk => General Discussions => Topic started by: ultraman on January 05, 2007, 11:15:41 am
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Let's start with the important stuff:
I DO NOT TAKE ANY FORM OF CREDIT FOR WRITING THESE TIPS.
They were written entirely by Mancer. Please don't complain to me if you disagree with any of this stuff, as I didn't write it. I'm simply publishing them here to benefit the community. I did not modify them in any way before posting them, this is the original format that I recieved them in.
Having said all that...
..: The Rules of Aiming :..
Tutorial and tips recognized and inducted by Mancer.
Rule I : Adjustments
As the first rule, you must adjust your mouse speed in Soldat > Options to match certain variables you play with. These variables are:
- Whether or not you have an optical/laser mouse or a ball mouse
- If you play halfscreen or fullscreen
- How much desk space you have for your mouse
As comparison, I will give you my variables for soldat. I use soldat on halfscreen, with an optical mouse, and my mouse speed is on 30%
Q: 30%? Why so slow?
A: This is an estimate, but the lower the mouse percentage the less 'jittering' the crosshair gives you, so you can effectivley aim a lot better. This varies for some people. Though most of you know me as a ruger user, this tutorial is for ALL weapons, so I am confident when I tell you that the lower the better. I wouldnt go under 30%, though.
As a tip to get used to your newley lowered sensitivity, I would suggest going to about 65% first, and then work your way down, 60%, 55%, 50% until you get to a sensitivity thats confortable for you. At first, it will feel like a really fat guy is holding onto your crosshair, but you'll get used to it, trust me.
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Rule II : Crosshair Position
The second rule is the most important rule of all, and the hardest to learn.
When aiming at your enemy, you know how you tend to look (with your eyes) at the enemy soldat, instead of your crosshair? You mentally adjust your crosshair based on where your enemy is. What you forget is that your CROSSHAIR decides where the bullets go, not your enemy! So why look at your enemy? look at your crosshair based on where your enemy is, not the other way around.
When you position your crosshair by staring at it, instead of staring at the enemy, you'll realize, "Holy ****, I've been putting my crosshair in the WRONG POSITION the entire time!" This takes a while to get used to, and even I am guilty of forgetting to do this sometimes.
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Rule III : Overshooting and Undershooting
The term Overshooting means to position your crosshair very far behind the enemy, almost to the edge of your screen. The opposite of this is Undershooting, which means to put your crosshair too close to YOU.
Your crosshair wants to be within a 1 inch radius of your enemy. Sometimes close enough so that your crosshair turns red when you scroll on top of your enemy. Overshooting and Undershooting makes it so you shoot with an 'invisible sniper line' that you imagine in your head, effectivley worsening your aim. So, don't do it! Move your crosshair closer to your enemy.
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Rule IV : Bink and Movement Acc
Unfortunatly, Bink effects all guns. And so does movement acc (when you move, you bink). To counter bink and to help stop it, you can ease the pain by not running when you fire. What I mean is, when you fire, do not hold down the key that makes your soldat run to the left or to the right. You can be MOVING but not running. This is an optional rule seeing how its pretty tough to remember but if you do remember to do it you should experience less bink and more shots landing.
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Rule V : Take Your Time
Some tend to think you should rush on any given chance you get. This is not the case. Take your time. Fire slowly, make sure each bullet has a good chance of landing before you are going to fire. Do not fire at enemies where you have very low chance of killing them, and unless you like spraying, don't spray because if you reload in the middle of a firefight you will be the one to die.
A good way of remembering to go slowly is to listen to your shots (if you have sound on). If your gun sounds monotonous and repititious, you are doing it wrong. Your shots should be random and jagged, so you can confirm that you are slowly aiming. Though in desperate situations this method is not reccomended (such as low Health)
Another good way of remembering is to consider each bullet to be worth 600$. You don't want to go wasting 600 dollar bullets, now do you? If you miss, thats 600 bucks down the drain. So take - your - time.
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Rule VI : Vertical = Bad
For this rule, think of 1,2, and 3 being measurements of difficulty. The hardest being 3 and easiest being 1:
3. Shooting Someone Virtically
2. Shooting Someone Horizontally
1. Shooting Someone Diagnoly
So what does that little chart tell you? That when you shoot at someone virtically, you are more likeley to miss than shooting at them horizontally or diagnoly. If you are in a situation where someone is above or below you, you have 3 options to pick from.
3. Wing it and try to kill them anyway.
2: Don't fire at all. Just wait until you get diagnoly to the person or horizontally to them.
1: Throw nades. If you have nades when you are above/below someone, USE THEM!
Now, which one is the easiest? Thats right. Throw nades when someone is above or below you. Don't have nades? Don't fire at all. You will probably miss and get caught in a reload. Diagnoly is the easiest place to kill someone because you are usually above them and can get headshots better than horizontally or virtically.
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Rule VII : Optional Tactics
~ Wait
This rule is optional, but it can increase your chances of a kill if you chose to do it. A good tactic for killing someone is to wait until about 50% of their clip is emptied before you start attacking at all. When doing this, they will be caught in a reload faster and you have a better chance of killing them when they empty their clip. WARNING, almost 90% of the time, when someone has no clip, they begin to spam nades. So be prepared for nades if you decide to do this tactic.
~ Don't Start Firing Until...
Don't start firing until the enemy has been a good 2 second on screen. Why? This allows you to have time to aim and position your crosshair, giving a better chance of a hit.
~ Enemy is Speeding
If your enemy is moving very fast past you, wait until they slow down before you start unloading your clip. The faster they move, the more of a chance you will miss.
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Rule VIII : Chill Out, **** Happens
Getting angry only makes your game worse. You wont be flawless with these rules, so don't think you are going to be. Have fun, enjoy the game, and don't get angry. Once you get angry, **** gets broken. And when **** gets broken, you get even angrier.
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Closing
Thank you for reading. 90% of the people who I've taught these rules to have since improved their game of Soldat. If for any reason you disagree with any of the previous, simply ignore it and do it your own way. This is how I aim, and if you want to aim like me, follow my rules. Practice makes perfect, so the more you do them the more fluent you will become at them.
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There are actually Mancers tips, so the guy that gave it to you is just a wannabe. So i'll just edit it to give Mancer credit.
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Sure thing, my mistake. Sorry Mancer :-[
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I can't belive krypt did that...
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Mancer did it. Topic titled fixed aswell :p
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man ...that reduced sensitivity percentage is gonna take some getting used to. Did just win a DM (usual gathering of unknown clanners and new fellas for good target practice) that was already half finished with it at 70%, which seemed mad slow compared to my usual 150%. can see the benefit of a lowered sensitivity, but i'm missing my lightning speed reaction.
I'm tempted to delete this to keep the population of rugertards minimal. The gun is popular enough as it is while also having to worry about 'sprayers' and 'campers'.
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When I first started to try out the Ruger back in August, I wasn't landing too many shots. In only 2 weeks I was landing twice as many shots by simple practicing and learning it's bullet arc. :/ Maybe I just have a knack for learning new stuff? I was also complimented by several people in my first 2 weeks of playing; (April 2006) they said I was playing like someone who had been playing for a few months. Previously, I only used the autos and Barrett to make kills, but now I also use the Ruger, and I'm also trying to get the hang of the Spas to balance out my skills. ;) (Deagles are too hard for me, because of their high level of patience and aim required, and I'm not even going to bother with the M79 and Minigun.)
Even with all of that said...
Thanks a bunch for this guide, you Rugertard Mancer. :P
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This topic should be deleted anyone can DL his tips through wiki or where ever else he posted them. Some of you are making it out to look like its so easy while its not. Go compete on a known league level and see how good you do against the best autos, barrets, etc these players possess..
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ehm.... im a overshooter and I turned out fine
anyway great tip, its also good for other weapons
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The 30% sensitivity is retarded, Unless you have a sizure you should be steady enought to have atleast 110% sensitivity, IT IS SO SLOW how do you expect us to not undershoot or even aim at all when you can't turn around because of slow crosshair. That is a really really bad tip.
Everything else is good and all, not much you wouldn't pick up after about a year of play.
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You have to go down in sensitivity gradually as Mancer said. Going from 100% to 30% in a day is way too drastic and, and it won't be effective at all. If you do it slowly, you'll get used to it more easily, and you'll soon think of 30-50% as normal. I use 35% myself, and it's very useful for keeping my aim steady. For me, it's much more efficient than 100% ever was.
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You have to go down in sensitivity gradually as Mancer said. Going from 100% to 30% in a day is way too drastic and, and it won't be effective at all. If you do it slowly, you'll get used to it more easily, and you'll soon think of 30-50% as normal. I use 35% myself, and it's very useful for keeping my aim steady. For me, it's much more efficient than 100% ever was.
Exactly. I started around 110%, then I went down to about 85%, then I got down to 55%, and now I'm using 30%. It has improved my aim. ^_^
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really?
wow I'll try that!
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The 30% sensitivity is retarded, Unless you have a sizure you should be steady enought to have atleast 110% sensitivity, IT IS SO SLOW how do you expect us to not undershoot or even aim at all when you can't turn around because of slow crosshair. That is a really really bad tip.
Everything else is good and all, not much you wouldn't pick up after about a year of play.
"If for any reason you disagree with any of the previous, simply ignore it and do it your own way. This is how I aim, and if you want to aim like me, follow my rules."
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I have 20 sensitivity, and my aiming, and mouse movement is just fine. When you change your sensitivity, it will seem "retarded" and unnatural because your so used to a higher set of sensitivity. In my opinion, the lower sensitivity helps with aiming and precision. It also helps to have a huge mousepad. ;)
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I just lowered from 180%(!) to 100%. Damn it's hard, but with 5% a day, this could work. The only problem is that if someone passes me, I can't shoot him in the back fast enough :)
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spam by Skilled deleted
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I just lowered from 180%(!) to 100%. Damn it's hard, but with 5% a day, this could work. The only problem is that if someone passes me, I can't shoot him in the back fast enough :)
Its better to just drop down to your target percentage. Otherwise it will take you longer to get use to. After about a week (if that) playing everyday you get used to it.
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Yeah it's gonna take a while. Makes close range combat a lot more difficult at first too.
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How the hell do you guys play with such high sensitivity >_>
Just playing with 90% feels like my mouse is whipping everywhere out of control. It's like...impossible to keep steady aim.
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Well, I guess these don't apply for R/S. Having 30% sensitivity with Ruger just kills you because of the recoil.
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For those of you who improved as you lowered your sensitivity. Take into account that you're probably also concentrating more than before, improving your aim. More so, you're practicing more, no doubt you're also a better shot at 100% or 50% or 130% now that you've improved.
Undershooting and overshooting are neither bad nor good as the only thing that really matters is the bullet arch. I undershoot or overshoot as necessary in order to see further behind my enemy or further behind me, as the screen follows the cursor. Overshooting may well allowing to see more enemies incoming and allow you to react.
I do not agree with vertical shoorting, shootign up is difficult yes, gravity is against the bullet and makes it skew a bit more, but I often put myself in a position where I jump over or fly over an enemy in order to shoot down for an almost guaranteed headshot while he only gets to shoot your feet. Another use for this is that in realistic, you can zigzag atop your enemy so that he keeps losing you from his sight. Soldat field of view in realistic is a everything to the right or left of a vertical line atop the player.
I also disagree with watching the crosshair so much. There are nuances in the enemies movement that can allow you to react. the nade arm recoiling, or reloading. So you know when to attack and when to retreat. Peripheral vision is the best.
To GAMEOVER. Unlike a wiki, this is a forum for discussion.
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It was already stated that this does not apply to everyone, so theres no real point in posting your disagreements.
"If for any reason you disagree with any of the previous, simply ignore it and do it your own way. This is how I aim, and if you want to aim like me, follow my rules."
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How the hell do you guys play with such high sensitivity >_>
Just playing with 90% feels like my mouse is whipping everywhere out of control. It's like...impossible to keep steady aim.
I think it's nuts myself and don't see the advantage of lowering it to that level, especially since your viewpoint is tied to the cursor. Having such a low mouse sensitivity prevents extending that view to the edges of the screen, at least without crippling your ability to respond to threats quickly.
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Just get a S&S steel pad, with a MX518 logitech mouse, take out the weight inside to give it a lighter feel, put mouse skates on the bottom of your mouse, put it on a setting play with that setting for a year and never change it and you will be godly.
My speed is rather fast and I like it that way, and I can aim perfectly, steelpad + mx518 + teflon = godly
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I use 5% sensitivity because I'm cool like that. My shots are waaay more accurate than any of yours.
Yeah so I get raped in servers because it takes five minutes to switch the view left to right, but I'm deadly accurate.
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Just get a S&S steel pad, with a MX518 logitech mouse, take out the weight inside to give it a lighter feel, put mouse skates on the bottom of your mouse, put it on a setting play with that setting for a year and never change it and you will be godly.
My speed is rather fast and I like it that way, and I can aim perfectly, steelpad + mx518 + teflon = godly
If have the same mouse, which teflon pads do you use?
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It was already stated that this does not apply to everyone, so theres no real point in posting your disagreements. "If for any reason you disagree with any of the previous, simply ignore it and do it your own way. This is how I aim, and if you want to aim like me, follow my rules."
We're discussing the finer points.
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Just get a S&S steel pad, with a MX518 logitech mouse, take out the weight inside to give it a lighter feel, put mouse skates on the bottom of your mouse, put it on a setting play with that setting for a year and never change it and you will be godly.
My speed is rather fast and I like it that way, and I can aim perfectly, steelpad + mx518 + teflon = godly
I bought the same mouse and some kind of a huge gaming mat. It feels different than it did with a cheap mouse and a small mat. Requires to get used to though, but I'm sure I'll get better as I keep playing with it.
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I need to keep my sensitivity up. Many servers require fast reflexes and my crosshair is gonna be dragging along if I lower it.
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^ That's what I thought for a while aswell. When I first lowered the sensitivity, every time someone ran past me, I was as good as dead. Once you get used to it though, your shots will be much more accurate, and the difference will be very notable :o
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So what do you have your sensitivity set at, Demonic?
EDIT: I edited the threadstarter to get rid of any evidence of that heretic's name of which we do not speak, treacharous scum, taking credit for that which he did not publish! >:(
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It was already stated that this does not apply to everyone, so theres no real point in posting your disagreements. "If for any reason you disagree with any of the previous, simply ignore it and do it your own way. This is how I aim, and if you want to aim like me, follow my rules."
We're discussing the finer points.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that, it's a forum, it keeps good tips at the top, and it makes discussion, let's not bicker guys. =)
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That's what I thought for a while aswell. When I first lowered the sensitivity, every time someone ran past me, I was as good as dead.
I dont know about you. But I'd rather be able to have perfect aim rather than worrying about people running past me (Which is really, really, easy to recover from if you know how. Just tuck and roll while your moving your cursor)
Honestly I've been using these for such a long time trivial things like this are a thing of the past. They don't even come into play anymore once your able to get 5 kills per death.
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What dpi is this percentage based on? 800?
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I just started lowering my mouse sensitivity today, I played with 65 % sensitivity and i already noticed a big difference in my accuracy (it was better ;D). I lowered it again to 40%, that's pretty damn slow for me (still practising). But 5%?!?! That's waaaay to slow man I realli don't noe how you do it. ???
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Well my Sens is at 51%, at one point I was at 31%. using Mancer's tips really helped me discover my own style to aim and whatnot.
So Thank You Mancer :)
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Taking the sensitivty down gradually is a good idea. Not just because it helps you adapt. Some people might not like 30% sensitivity - too slow. 100% sensitivty is too fast.
I actually ended up used 60%, and its helped a ton with my Steyr. It's not hard to move my cursor around and change view quickly, and it keeps my aim steady. I'm a guy who likes my speed.
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I nearly crapped my drawers on Chakras 150%. Could not keep my mouse in the same place for half a second. I didn't like Mancer's 30% either, I found my rugering comfort zone at 50%. I do everything else at 90%
The crosshair trick is pretty bad IMO, I can generally interpret my normal gross overshooting.
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Yeah, I've been using these tips for a while now, and they really have improved, And like stated in the tips, its good for any gun. It really helps with longer range, slower firing guns like the AK, Deagles ( i sux with those bad though) and the ruger. I started at 100%, then lowered to 85, and eventually got down to 45% where im at now. Once you get used to how slow it is, it actually seems normal, and you can fling your mouse back to get people that run past you, just takes some time. Im even considering dropping it down to 40% as im completely used to 45% and mebey that extra 5% lower will give me that extra boost on accuracy.
This tips are FANTASTIC for ANYONE that plays this game, new and old alike. Very good tips Mancer.
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I havn't actually tested any of these yet, but I already know most of them will help me play a little better. I've always know I should do the cursor thing but i couldnt really be stuffed to change my style.
Edit: Ahaha, I just played a few games with decreased speed for the mouse and especially taking notice of the cursor and the vertical chance of killing thing. I was kicking ass (ass? Am I allowed to say ass?) in dm and ctf.
Go Mancer.
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Wow, that ruger tip with the crosshair works. In realistic mode, I'm racking up kills like crazy with it.
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*bump*
At 40% sensitivity now.. I kinda stopped missing the enemy. Just feel like emphasising that these tips are indeed incredibly usefull.
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Gau, I found 40% too low :-\
EDIT: Mine is 55% :)
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Heres what i do, putting down the mouse speed never interested me because sometimes you do need that speed, you just don't want your mouse going out of control. The solution is to turn your mouse pad upside down and tape it to your desk, im on 100% sensivity but i feel very steady because the mouse can't really slide as its on the padding(not the slidey picture side). Though i don't know if this would work very well with a ball mouse :?
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For the first time I see this topic and since 1.1.4 I'm doing exactly the same things which are in this thread. Even the 30% sensitivity - just the same! Thx anyway.
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Been using the Ruger for a good three years, and I've done most of these tips before. I like that sensitivity modification, I've tried that in the past but I didn't find a suitable value that I agreed with. I'm using 65% at the moment and I must say it's never been better.
Thanks for the tips, they come in handy.
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well the 30% you use does not have to be the same as my (or mancer's) 30%, since he may have a higher dpi mouse..
I was playing at 25 for years, but with ruger and spas you'll need higher, like 30%.
(playing windowed with 1024×768 resolution and 800dpi mouse)
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Why does everyone play windowed? >_> The target is so small after playing fullscreen.
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I have a big monitor. Fullscreen would mean I would only be able to see a small section of the soldat game at once. When its smaller, I see everything thats going on.
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I have a big monitor. Fullscreen would mean I would only be able to see a small section of the soldat game at once. When its smaller, I see everything that's going on.
sux hen using a too high resolution though, my windowed soldat gets like 15×10 cm when I've got it on the highest resolution.
That's where we need the soldat re-sizer for ;)
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I play full screen and I have a large monitor I use 60 sens and I just keep all the setting default its fine with me...
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Sorry for the bump, I just want to know if anyone actually still uses these.
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I still do, it's helped me a lot and this is how I figured out about mouse sensitivity. :D I've been playing at 20% sensitivity ever since I found out about this back in December-January, I started at 80 and worked my way down by around March or April I was at 20 and now I'm staying at 20 forever, its perfect for me. :D Another thing that has helped me is when I'm aiming to look at the crosshair, not at the enemy soldat. It has helped me I'm sure.
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But mancer said to look at the crosshair not the soldat...
Not that I agree with him, in fact I think it's retarded, but to each his own. I don't ever look at the crosshair, I could probably play fine if it wasn't even there, but maybe that only works for me.
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But mancer said to look at the crosshair not the soldat...
Not that I agree with him, in fact I think it's retarded, but to each his own. I don't ever look at the crosshair, I could probably play fine if it wasn't even there, but maybe that only works for me.
Sorry about that, I confused myself. *fixes*
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I still use this, I've taken my mouse sensitivity down to 35% and love my ruger.
Thanks Mancer.
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Sorry for the bump, I just want to know if anyone actually still uses these.
Yes i use Thank you Mancer ;)
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I dont use 30% sensitivity
but I did stop overshoot or undershoot
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But mancer said to look at the crosshair not the soldat...
Not that I agree with him, in fact I think it's retarded, but to each his own. I don't ever look at the crosshair, I could probably play fine if it wasn't even there, but maybe that only works for me.
Whatever works for you man, seeing that you've been using the thing since the dawn of Soldat and you are possibly better than me with it :D
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I dont use 30% sensitivity
but I did stop overshoot or undershoot
LOL I have mine set to 150%.... i like it better that way...plus my mouse is a piece of shit.
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^Same...im at 150%...in realistic i've virtually eliminated recoil, and i've got a pretty steady hand so im not all over the place...with high sens. i can net some pretty amazing shots, nice tips though mancer...very nice