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Soldat Talk => General Discussions => Topic started by: Mjr General (FH) 1 on January 11, 2007, 03:26:17 am
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Any thoughts on why people hack the game to create an unfair advantage for themselves, rendering the game pointless?
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Dunno. When they get bored of the game in its natural state...they hack. Some of them suck so badly, that they need hacks to prove themselves as good players.
Some of the hackers I've run into are all like "The games sucks balls anyway...so I hack to make it better. Plus...its fun to see n00bs whine and complain when you kill them"
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They hack because they can't play the game properly. Probably thing they are really cool and show other people that they are so skilled.
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Soldat is so easy to play. >_>
Seriously, who needs hacks for Soldat?
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Part being an anonymous Internet tough guy, part just being an idiot who has nothing better to do than to pleasure himself watching others suffer. It has little to do with the game being too much of a challenge, else they would confine themselves to off-line play.
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Because they think it's "fun".
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The hackers all like to say that they're bored of the game, and maybe that is part of it.... but it is a very small part.
If they were just bored of the game they wouldn't release any of the hacks. I'm not saying I condone hacks being used in private, I'm just saying that this is clearly not their intention since they release them and make a point out of going into public servers to ruin the game. When the hackers make videos promoting their hacks and go into publics to destroy the games, you know they are out seeking pleasure by disrupting other peoples' fun.
Hackers are stupid kiddies who may know a bit (the ones who create them, at least) but don't know how to funnel their intelligence into something useful. EnEsCe (and some others who I don't think want me to name them here), fortunately, realized this ;)
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EnEsCe (and some others who I don't think want me to name them here), fortunately, realized this ;)
Speaking of that good man, maybe he could answer this question better....
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EnEsCe (and some others who I don't think want me to name them here), fortunately, realized this ;)
Speaking of that good man, maybe he could answer this question better....
Having talked to him quite a bit around the time that he left the Dark Side, I'm pretty sure that his intentions in hacking are quite different from most of the other kiddies.
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EnEsCe (and some others who I don't think want me to name them here), fortunately, realized this ;)
Speaking of that good man, maybe he could answer this question better....
Having talked to him quite a bit around the time that he left the Dark Side, I'm pretty sure that his intentions in hacking are quite different from most of the other kiddies.
Spill?
Oh...and I'm typing this to make up for the spam :P
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Only the most deranged will hack because it makes them feel in some way superior to the others, and the fun of being able to fly around and warp through walls whilst firing infinite M79 grenades wears off as quickly as the novelty of a minigun with the grenade bullettype does. They do it to piss you off.
In my trolling studies, the quickest way to irritate someone to the point of insulting you without verbal provocation is to hack. Hacking almost infallibly annoys people, making hacks a quick and easy tool for trolls.
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hackers hack because they like making games not fun for others, they also hack because they lack the skill to do something, and the pacients to get the skill. they get bored because they suck too much normally.
Just to be sure, Hacking is illegal, yes? I always figured hacking was manipulating the code of the game, and that isn't allowed by the copywrite/terms of service, and they aren't authorised to do such things.
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actually only server hacking is illegal (where you modify the code on the server) but since you own the character you can change how your character does stuff (thus making the character go faster isn't illegal ) but the gamemasters will still ban you
well that's what I heard
and I think hackers hack because they get bored because when I used to play gunz online I got bored of it and this guy in my clan showed me some hacks and I started using them just cos it was the only fun thing to do
especially shooting rockets from my smgs :D
but i wont hack soldat even if i get bored because I admire what Michal did and I don't want him to lose a potential person registering :)
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Hackers that make and release hacks like to destroy things that people put a shitload of time into and because the literally have nothing else to do.
Script-kiddies hack because they like to feel superior to not hackers and maybe the game seems boring and unimportant to them.
Either way, both are douche-bags and should be banned off the internet.
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Flame by Not Not Muldritch deleted. Everyone give a hand to Not Not Muldritch he has his first warning!
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I just hate when some guy hacks that you see and then you say that he hacks, and he says his mighty word: Whine? >:(
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Or when the team that he is on while hacking refuses to vote against him because he is putting their score so high?
I often like to think that hackers are (and this is probably true for the majority) some 8 year old in his room with a voice like a flute and a disinterest in the opposite gender who would like to waste his life in immaturity and other scandalous activities online where he THINKS he can hide out like a grown adult...
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I usually go out of my way to kill hackers.
I get good aim practice, and they get pissed off and leave.
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I think they're compensating for something. Maybe they're not willing to practice or learn but still want to be great.
I've seen hacked .exe mods for games that put in extra features, fix bugs or allow for new game modes. Some hacks are acceptable (especially the ones MIT does!), and as long as it's not public, nobody really cares.
Geez, if you hack a shareware 2D shooter made by some guy in Poland, that's pathetic. Why not try breaking Steam? Get them to give you free games AND never have them find out about it WITHOUT using programs you didn't write by yourself using only your own code. That will prove you're more of a hacker than getting used as target practice by people like MofoNofo.
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Because they want to piss you off...only it doesnt work :P
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I just hate the really immature ones (which is about 99.999999999999% of the population) because tjey whine and bemoan when their hacks don't work as well as they're supposed to. Like when I shoot an airman hacker on TW right out of the air...Dont the fly hackers realise that theyre the easiest targets on TW becuase they're out in the most open place on the map...
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I usually go out of my way to kill hackers.
I get good aim practice, and they get pissed off and leave.
Same here. I also try to abuse them individually as much as I can, to give him a taste of his own medicine.
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Heh. Not meaning to go offtopic, but a funny little story about hackers.
So this one time, I'm hosting a server, when, out of the blue, a hacker comes gallomping on. Now, this guy starts trashtalking, spawn camping, and all that stuff hackers love to do. I ask him politely a couple times to stop, as I would alert the admin. I'll give you three gueses what he didn't stop doing. Anyways, I start killing him from console, and this bewildered idiot thinks I'm hacking. So, without further ado he puts out the 'ol '!admin' command to alert me that I'm required on my server (that I'm already playing) :) It just gets better from there, but I won't put you readers through it.
My personal opinion on why people hack ? Limewire. That darn program has been turning people for years.
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Heh. Not meaning to go offtopic, but a funny little story about hackers.
So this one time, I'm hosting a server, when, out of the blue, a hacker comes gallomping on. Now, this guy starts trashtalking, spawn camping, and all that stuff hackers love to do. I ask him politely a couple times to stop, as I would alert the admin. I'll give you three gueses what he didn't stop doing. Anyways, I start killing him from console, and this bewildered idiot thinks I'm hacking. So, without further ado he puts out the 'ol '!admin' command to alert me that I'm required on my server (that I'm already playing) :) It just gets better from there, but I won't put you readers through it.
My personal opinion on why people hack ? Limewire. That darn program has been turning people for years.
Haha, thats some funny shit *appluad*
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they simply hack cause they think they are special, but they'r unloved, and hacking is a cry for help.
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Or just some 8 year old's version of going postal over sucking...
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Hackers are poor saps. I'd rather eat my couch than hack....
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I don't think hackers really care what others think about them. They just hack to entertain themselves. People hack just as often in off-line games. You guys are making it sound like hackers are hacking to get your attention. They don't hack for YOU they hack for themselves and for their own amusement. People get bored of the game so they hack to make it more fun for themselves. All things get boring eventually, people crave variety.
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There are all types of cheaters..
The Annoyer:
This type does it to piss ppl off, it turns them on when other players get pissed. Usually they make it very obvious they are cheating but will deny they are just piss ppl off some more.
Don't give them attention, don't let them know you care. Either quietly get an admin or leave if you actually care.
The Crybaby:
This one does it to gain an unfair advantage, they cant stand losing a battle and cheat to win. Of course this one will try to hide hes cheating and deny it when he gets caught.
It's also this type that always complains about lag and such, only in some severe cases they start cheating.
The Idiot:
His ultimate goal is the destruction of the game, by making everybody leave coz of his cheating(well thats what he thinks). Some individuals become this type after getting banned, usually coz of their own stupidity.
There are other types, but these are the most common ones I've encountered.
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I think they're compensating for something. Maybe they're not willing to practice or learn but still want to be great.
I've seen hacked .exe mods for games that put in extra features, fix bugs or allow for new game modes. Some hacks are acceptable (especially the ones MIT does!), and as long as it's not public, nobody really cares.
Geez, if you hack a shareware 2D shooter made by some guy in Poland, that's pathetic. Why not try breaking Steam? Get them to give you free games AND never have them find out about it WITHOUT using programs you didn't write by yourself using only your own code. That will prove you're more of a hacker than getting used as target practice by people like MofoNofo.
Hehe, if someone really actually figured out to break into to Steam. That will be incredible. He can unban every banned VAC member.
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I feel sorry for all the people making games on their own.
Bacaus of all the cracks and keygens and other pissin crap.
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Hacking is for sure the most ridicolous thing existing in Soldat. It's poor.
I mean, who needs to hack in some shareware 2D shooter made by one guy? This game is so damn easy to play, i can't believe how somebody would need to hack. They are either too bad to play the game properly, or they are just attention whores who want you to see their great hacking skills.
I'd find it pretty emberrassing if everybody sees that I need to hack to get good skills. It's not worth downloading a game just for turning a hack on and then pwn them all because of your "skills" at haxing.
Afterall, hacking is just sad.
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People only hack because they have nothing else to do, they have no life, and probably get beat up at school/work, and take their poorly anger problems on people in games.
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Q: Why do People Hack?
A: Why do you ask questions.
...j/k.
A: 'cuz its fun. and it pisses people off.
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Hacking is for sure the most ridicolous thing existing in Soldat. It's poor.
I mean, who needs to hack in some shareware 2D shooter made by one guy? This game is so damn easy to play, i can't believe how somebody would need to hack. They are either too bad to play the game properly, or they are just attention *****s who want you to see their great hacking skills.
I'd find it pretty emberrassing if everybody sees that I need to hack to get good skills. It's not worth downloading a game just for turning a hack on and then pwn them all because of your "skills" at haxing.
Afterall, hacking is just sad.
What you said is very true, whats worth paying for a game and play it unfairly.
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Old topic, let it die.
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Usually hackers hack because:
A. Lack of skill.
B. They want to be noticed.
C. Or if someone is too good.
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And I quote.
Old topic, let it die.
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Either they find it enjoyable to terribly overpower opponents, can't play right, wish to enjoy the privileges of the hack or any number of a combination of the three. I know I take-em out though, unless them bums got aim bot. D8 Then I catch-em from afar. =P
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People hack when they think that they have no other way to win. This kind of people can not stand the fact that others are better than them. In other words, arrogant people hack. I am not generalizing that other do not, or that all arrogant people hack. To be honest, I am somewhat arrogant, and yet 100% against hacking. I like to do the stuff in the harder way, in the more respectful way.
Other thing that making hacks for Soldat is laughable easy. :/ And the ones who make hacks, promote others to follow them, providing tutorials and hints&tips for the newcomers.
Wll, other than that, there are hackers who do it just for fun. Do it privately. Do it for learning purposes, for testing, trying, and not to ruin others game, they do not release their hacks, they do not use them online. They just spend some time learning how stuff works, how hacks work, try to make their own hack, make it better, add new features. Stuff like that.
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My thougths aboute hacking:
- The people who uses it is A*sholes
- The migth have osme thing against the game
- I Kill most telehackers more than they kill me
- I hate em all
- They don´t get kicked/banned if you kill them
- Anti-vote hackers are the worst
- It some one told me theres a hacker going on the street i whould jump out the window and beat him to his death
- I wish that 1.3.2 will be totaly hacker free.
Thats my thougths (think whatever you want)
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My thoughts, why people want to hack:
- They are BORED!!!
- They can't play and try to be cool
- They test anti-hack system for MM ;D
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My thoughts, why people want to hack:
- They are BORED!!!
- They can't play and try to be cool
- They test anti-hack system for MM ;D
Lol.
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People hack because those people suck at playing soldat, so they use hacks to win, but 70% of times they always loose and get their ass kicked
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I think this comes from deep within their own minds. They put it forward themselves that they must use hacks, that they need them. Whether or not they're better with them usually doesn't cross their mind until someone brings it up in-game.
Truth be told, I would like to see a hacker play a normal game without the use of his magic. It'd be like a puppy biting the ankle of a wolf. That is, if he has played with hacks for too long or has just gotten too used to the style of hacks.
I think this problem is mostly psychological, because in their minds they think with them they are better than everyone else, or they do it sub-conciously, ignoring the main topic of being bad at a game, and make up doing it for laughs or some other b.s. reason.
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they like the power, the attention, the fact that everyone is focucing on them and getting mad. oh and the fact that 99% of the votes dont work becuase too many ppl do auto f11
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Auto F11? Third party program? Or is it just an reaction?
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Auto F11? Third party program? Or is it just an reaction?
I do almost always F11 in publics, unless I am sure that the one is hacking. Being good does not mean they are hacking.
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Anothe dumb vote:
Voter: I always forget their names
Reason: Flame hax
I've just picked up Flame God in Deathmatch!
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I think that some of th ehackers fell insecure about their skill and want to hack and some of them just wants to try hax to get amused.
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Hey Cena, next time you want to post in a topic make sure the last post date isn't almost two months ago. This is a really old topic and it shouldn't have been bumped. Please, always check last posts dates before posting a reply.
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Browsing the internet to find the question to why hackers hack, I found one:
"Hackers hack to experience a whole new way of playing the game. Some even possibly view it as a challenge since hacking something is new and strange to them."
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I think in all reality hackers hack because they get a kick out of annoying other people.. And doing that through the internet is something so simple and so easy to get away with.
Just like spammers in chat rooms, or people who make viruses.
I've never tried hacking in any games, and I hate hackers with a vengence.
I consider myself to be somewhat of a hawk-eyed anti-hack crusader in soldat.. I can always tell when someone is hacking, even when it's too subtle for others to notice. It comes with experience.. Having played Soldat for just shy of 5 years now, and having observed how players move and how the game runs, I find it easy. - I can even tell between speedhacks and the infamous crouch bug.
Always, as soon as I spot a hacker I reach for the menu key and votekick them.. What annoys me alot is where other players simply won't press f12, even when they're against hackers (or claim to be)... I don't know if it's them just automatically voting f11, or doing so because the hacker is helping their team win.. I don't know..
I wish it was possible for repeat offenders to be permenantly banned on soldats lobby server..
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I don't think hackers really care what others think about them. They just hack to entertain themselves. People hack just as often in off-line games. You guys are making it sound like hackers are hacking to get your attention. They don't hack for YOU they hack for themselves and for their own amusement. People get bored of the game so they hack to make it more fun for themselves. All things get boring eventually, people crave variety.
he pretty much nailed it.
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what do they hack (in the game)
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This topic is now about: Why do people bump OLD TOPICS
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maybe they didnt see the post date? ???
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This topic is now about: Why do people bump OLD TOPICS
Because they are not allowed to make a new one.
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hackers are noobs xD because they can't play without hacking (they suck ^^)
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I think they hax because they suck ass big time in the "normal" game. They're n00bs, they want you to lose your interest in the game.
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hackers hack because they don't like the challenge of actually mastering things like aiming and moving and tactics, and like a million people above me, "haxorz r geh"
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Haxors are l00t. The bad l00t. They are 1337noobs. Really. Hacking makes u lose more than u gain.
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everybody must play normally without hack :)
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Hacking makes u lose more than u gain.
if you ever consider cheating(hacking is writing the application) :
you loose in skill( all the skill involved by jumping and sidestepping at the right times is replaced by tele-porting).
the game gets boring(cap, return, cap, return)...,
you are detested and hated.(obviously)
you become dependent on the hack( after becoming used to this and returning to play with out a hack is difficult),
you get no satisfaction in scoring a good kill because you know it was not due to your own skill, taking all the fun out once again.
in short, cheaters want to be hated, they want to extract evil (as opposed to rightous, fair) fun out of the game, and they want to loose all hard-earned soldat playing skill(even if they had none to begin with), replacing that with cheating skills.
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Hackers like the feeling of total power and control they can gain from cheating.
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Wow, this has been a pretty one sided topic.
Well, anyways, I'm a person who has "hacked" before and I'd point out, only for fun and when it is okay with the other players, in my own server.
A lot of the statements made in this thread seem to be pretty ignorant and lack any knowledge of why some "hackers" "hack". Boer is pretty much right about what he said in his post, except about the "cheaters wanting to be hated" and the stuff after that.
Most people I know who have "hacked" or cheated in a game have only done so for some fun because they're getting bored and will stop doing so if someone asks them to, though not all "hackers" are like this, the ones that hack and deny and say it's skill and all that bs deserve a ban.
Oh yeah, in before you guys say I probably suck at Soldat.
I'm pretty good at it, not the best nor the worst.
I only posted here because I think one sided arguments are stupid.
Oh yeah, someone should lock this thread, I can see some flame wars starting.
Edit: Oh yeah, I don't think people should "hack" in other people's servers, that's plain wrong. To "hack" in someone's payed for server, against their rules...Plain wrong.
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Because they they are the cheating type. you know, the ones that cheat at everygame, so they dont have to play for hours getting their skills up. But, new hacking prevention technology should prevent that.
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Maybe the people I know and myself are odd people then, meh.
Whenever I play a game, I get quite good at it, then get bored, cheat a bit, then play legit and so on and so forth, it's a cycle to keep me interested in it, to make it different...Though I usually just move on to a more interesting game though instead of cheating.
Though with Soldat, I can use Server script to make it different.
Ah, Good old Warcraft 3 was the best, once you got bored of that you could make your own maps and edit stuff, t'was awesome and kept things interesting.
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[ban] the above poster.
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Wow, this has been a pretty one sided topic.
Well, anyways, I'm a person who has "hacked" before and I'd point out, only for fun and when it is okay with the other players, in my own server.
A lot of the statements made in this thread seem to be pretty ignorant and lack any knowledge of why some "hackers" "hack". Boer is pretty much right about what he said in his post, except about the "cheaters wanting to be hated" and the stuff after that.
Most people I know who have "hacked" or cheated in a game have only done so for some fun because they're getting bored and will stop doing so if someone asks them to, though not all "hackers" are like this, the ones that hack and deny and say it's skill and all that BS deserve a ban.
Oh yeah, in before you guys say I probably suck at Soldat.
I'm pretty good at it, not the best nor the worst.
I only posted here because I think one sided arguments are stupid.
Oh yeah, someone should lock this thread, I can see some flame wars starting.
Edit: Oh yeah, I don't think people should "hack" in other people's servers, that's plain wrong. To "hack" in someone's payed for server, against their rules...Plain wrong.
I do not hack but I have to agree. If you don't ruin anyones game or annoy anyone or cause yourself not to die or kill someone then, what things wrong are you doing? oh yeah enesce you can't ban someone on the forums for hacking in a game. so not really [ban] ...
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[ban] the above poster.
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I don't condone hacking in servers where it will ruin other people's game play.
All I do is cheat every now and then with friends in a locked server, what is wrong with that? It is no way near as bad as creating a hack that nearly completely takes all the skill out of the game and ruins game play and also release it in public for anyone to use.
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Nutemo you are a douche.
You are a douche because you think that everything is ok when you aren't playing someone else's server, you are wrong.
Hacking is never Legal, it is never Good for the community and it will certainly never be tolerated by anyone who take any pride in their skills just to be undermined by a hacker. Not to mention the total lack of ethics you or any "script kiddy" has will or will ever show.
[ban]
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All people do because they cant compete with the real players without em. You guys in the clan scene trying to sneak em are the worse. We all know your pathetic and nothing without em.. cant wait til next version. Whys everyone think SCTFL hasnt started yet.
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Nutemo you are a douche.
You are a douche because you think that everything is ok when you aren't playing someone else's server, you are wrong.
Hacking is never Legal, it is never Good for the community and it will certainly never be tolerated by anyone who take any pride in their skills just to be undermined by a hacker. Not to mention the total lack of ethics you or any "script kiddy" has will or will ever show.
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a-4-year-old...You’re wrong, I do not have a lacking of ethics...You would be incredibly ignorant to assume that your's are the only ones that exist. Pretty much every religion has a slightly different set, not saying I have a religion though, I philosophise...
Oh yeah, if it's illegal, sue somebody, you'll find that you have no case here.
Please I implore you to try, because then you'll find out this is not illegal, instead it only a question of ethics, in which a lot of you don't seemed to have argued right.
Here's a question, what is actually wrong if someone made a hack for a game that they are the best at, to change a small part to make it more interesting?
There is nothing wrong about it; it's the same as a lot of the server scripts people are making for Soldat. The server scripts simply a way to modify how you play the game so you can enjoy another aspect of playing the game.
That is all "hacking" Soldat is...The only thing that people find wrong about it, is that it does not have the permission of the game creator, nor does it take into account what other players want.
This is why Hackers are so detested in gaming communities; they are changing how they play the game, making it easier for them and harder for everyone else. Now you'll find that not all hackers prefer this, they find it wrong to ruin others people's game play (I don't like ruining other's game play) and so these people instead "hack" in their own servers. The people that cheat and make it unfair for others do deserve the persecution you all wish to give them.
Also, The Specialist, you're right, one cannot really get better at a game from Cheating, this I agree with completely. That's why I usually play Soldat normally, I mean, I haven't cheated in it for months and I play it everyday, I really like this game and also, like a lot of people, hate it when people come into a server and make it unfair by using cheats, especially when they say that they are good at the game.
I'm happy that 1.4 will be harder to "hack" and hope no more "hacks" get made for it, because people don't use them right and besides, who needs the modifications with all these great server scripts that will be coming out soon?
Why are you all arguing with me?
I'm agreeing with you that cheating in other people's servers is wrong and makes other people's game play ruined. I agree that cheating does not make one better at playing the game. Are these not the reasons why you detest "hacking"?
I hope you all aren't just "it's either black or white" people, have you never heard of grey?
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Considering nutemo's account AND karma are both still intact someone must agree with his views here. Wiki'ing "hacker" it came up with this interesting statement (All thanks to wiki): The term usually bears strong connotations, but may be either favorable or degenerating depending on cultural context.
Hackers could be those who use their skill for ill purpose or they could use their knowledge to strengthen programs whether by finding weak spots in programming or developing fire-walls/anti hack programs w/e for people to protect their computer with. I frown upon nutemo's use of hacks "for fun" but do not hate him under the circumstances he uses them in.
A-4-year-old, your views are quite biased and perhaps born from a bad experience with a hacker. Or is it ignorance? I'd rather not support "hackers", especially with moderators around but I support hacks for positive use, not as ego-stroking game breakers.
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Hear! Hear!
Lol.
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Hacking is an alteration of the game itself, that clearly makes it a copywrite infringement, If I had any proof of you hacking, I would not be able to sue you, I don't have the copywrite. I have no case not because of the legality, I have no case because I have no proof. What will eventually happen is your ass will get banned from every respectable server out there.
Shut the fuck up about this "I only hack for fun" bullshit, every gamebusting hacker thinks it is fun, every person who doesn't hack thinks it is fun. There is no gray area in this, you either hack or don't hack. It is as simple as that.
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Different context, different perspective. I guess when I was talking about good hackers, there are no "good" hackers when it comes to Soldat unless they're recruited for a reason. Perhaps another reason people hack is because they bear ill will towards Soldat and/or it's community? Revenge perhaps? *Point's at sin bin*
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Hacking is an alteration of the game itself, that clearly makes it a copywrite infringement, If I had any proof of you hacking, I would not be able to sue you, I don't have the copywrite. I have no case not because of the legality, I have no case because I have no proof. What will eventually happen is your ass will get banned from every respectable server out there.
Shut the **** up about this "I only hack for fun" bull****, every gamebusting hacker thinks it is fun, every person who doesn't hack thinks it is fun. There is no gray area in this, you either hack or don't hack. It is as simple as that.
Alteration in itself is in no way copyright infringement, so long as you are not distributing the entire modified work. What it is, however, is a violation of the EULA, but there are some issues and gray areas there. Not to mention that for a small independant developer with limited funds, the chances of you ever having reprecussions is low, in fact, about the only time you will suffer is if you do something blatantly illegal or against your hosts ToS (which is how most hacking sites get shut down by those who persue such measures; there are usually more than just hacks on the sites)
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Hacking is an alteration of the game itself, that clearly makes it a copywrite infringement,
Nope, there is nothing illegal about hacking changes into a game and far from being "a 'copyright' infringement." There has been some precedent as far as that goes, in particular Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc. regarding Galoob's hacking of the NES games for its Game Genie.
The only real crime committed is when data is stolen or the hacks used involve some other crime, such as identity theft. Even then, it's the crime itself that makes that hacking illegal, not so much the simply act of hacking.
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For instance, the first mods for the original Doom were called "Hacks", because they changed the way it was played. However, this wasn't illegal because it was intentionally open-ended.
Now, after hundreds of games allow these, they are called "Modifications", or mods. Back then, what we now call mods would be hacks.
Think about it.
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No portion of this software may be disassembled, reverse
engineered, decompiled, modified or altered.
All graphics and sounds may be modified except maps and scenery files.
Modified graphics and sounds can be distributed for free as game MODs.
Bolded: Hey guess what guys! Hacking is illegal!
Underlined: Mxyzptlk, This is a mod, while the bolded is a hack.
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LEGAL STUFF
No portion of this software may be disassembled, reverse
engineered, decompiled, modified or altered.
All graphics and sounds may be modified except maps and scenery files.
Modified graphics and sounds can be distributed for free as game MODs.
Bolded: Hey guess what guys! Hacking is illegal!
Nope, you're wrong. Lots of companies make such statements about the use of their products, but that does not make it illegal.
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I wish people would understand that 'hacking' is not what happens in 99.9% of cases we see in Soldat. Someone who hacks is someone who makes their own hacks. Someone who uses a hack is just a petty cheater. Try not to confuse the two and give a little satisfaction to cheaters by letting them think they're 'up there' with the makers of such hacks.
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LEGAL STUFF
No portion of this software may be disassembled, reverse
engineered, decompiled, modified or altered.
All graphics and sounds may be modified except maps and scenery files.
Modified graphics and sounds can be distributed for free as game MODs.
Bolded: Hey guess what guys! Hacking is illegal!
Underlined: Mxyzptlk, This is a mod, while the bolded is a hack.
You don't seem to quite get it...Have a look at this post http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=9779.msg148942#msg148942
Read it...
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Because they are fucking morons...
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A lonely impulse of delight.
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Watched CSI a couple of nights ago. They had a crime scene in a game-making studios. One of the debuggers tell the criminologists that the boss of the company put spyware on their computers to record their every keystrokes. o.O; If this is true, then I don't want to go to a studios. ><
P.S., I don't see how this could be off-topic since spyware is created by a hacker...connect the dots, da da da.
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LEGAL STUFF
No portion of this software may be disassembled, reverse
engineered, decompiled, modified or altered.
All graphics and sounds may be modified except maps and scenery files.
Modified graphics and sounds can be distributed for free as game MODs.
Bolded: Hey guess what guys! Hacking is illegal!
Underlined: Mxyzptlk, This is a mod, while the bolded is a hack.
You don't seem to quite get it...Have a look at this post http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=9779.msg148942#msg148942
Read it...
You don't seem to quite get it... Have a look at this lawsuit:
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-5845905.html win? win.
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You don't seem to quite get it... Have a look at this lawsuit:
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-5845905.html win? win.
You're not seeing the forest for its trees. It's because the hacking was done to steal from the company by circumventing the Battle.net fees from being collected that made that illegal. Hacking was a means to a crime -- theft -- not the crime itself.
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The crime was not stealing from the company, the crime was reverse engeneering the game to do whatever they please, blizzard lost money, which is why they sued, not the crime they were suing for.
You can't seriously say to me that you could take a book and rip out all the pages copying every page and "improving" it and not say it is against the law, even if you just "do it for fun"
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Any thoughts on why people hack the game to create an unfair advantage for themselves, rendering the game pointless?
Because they think that can be better than other players faster ! At Brazil Every Day we see a Cheater cheating at a server ¬¬
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Stop trying to explain it to a-4-year-old, he's too young to understand. :P
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I think people hack just for the satisfaction of owning.
I mean, I like it when I'm on a killing spree, but not enough to try keeping that spree for all of my playing career.
You get a certain sense of accomplishment when you help your team win, or score with that flag that was so hard to get.
Imagine someone who has only gotten that sense of ownage once or twice, and hasn't had one in a few weeks of playing regularly. He (or she) wants to desperately own, so they download a hack, not knowing how spyware and virus-filled they are. Not only does the person get banned from almost every server, but they also mess up their computer.
That's kind of your typical hacker....they just want to have skill, even if it's fake...
I say LEARN THE GAME! AND READ THE WIKI!
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Roflzor, people hack because they are 11 year old losers who enjoy looking at pictures of naked hairy dogs and say they are 18 on forums. It turns them on.
Either that or they are just out for a good time. I had a dude I knew using a hack to make himself target practice for our barretts (old clan had the best practice sessions). worked quite well actually.
If you can beat a hacker, you can beat a ninja.
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Stop trying to explain it to a-4-year-old, he's too young to understand. :P
"Young" isn't the word I'm thinking of, but nonetheless, I agree. :P
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The crime was not stealing from the company, the crime was reverse engeneering the game to do whatever they please, blizzard lost money, which is why they sued, not the crime they were suing for.
You can't seriously say to me that you could take a book and rip out all the pages copying every page and "improving" it and not say it is against the law, even if you just "do it for fun"
As noted in the article you linked to(which the title is misinformative, because it is not the underlying issue, and if you read it or knew the history behind it you would understand), it was specifically in regards to the service offering third party servers, specifically for which blizzard did not control nor recieve profit from any advertising on said servers. As well, it was regarded as copyright infringement as a derivitive work of blizzards own software. Note that important part; by COPYING something that blizzard did, they were sued.
In particular, pay attention to the last line:
The 8th Circuit also cited a contractual agreement that Combs and Crittenden OK'd when installing Blizzard software. That agreement prohibits reverse-engineering.
Notice how it is worded: "also", meaning, that it wasn't the primary concern of the case, it was just the "icing on the cake" if you will.
You may notice that, while blizzard attempts to STOP hacks, they do not sue hack makers despite the fact that they, and their servers, are located in the US. In fact, I know of one particular site that was discussing emulation of WoW in amongst the hacking; they promptly recieved a cease and desist, and now no longer discuss emulation software; however, the hacks are still there, and blizzard will not touch them; simply because for them it is a waste of time, effort, and money, when they can simply improve their own software.
One thing you have to differentiate is that when it comes to reverse engineering, it is not a criminal case(and thus, not legal or illegal; unless you are making the claim that your copyright was violated, or some patent is infringed; which even then depends on jurisdiction); they are strictly contractual cases, which is a civil matter and thus anything that comes out of it will be a monetary reward, or a "special performance".
As Mr Domino mentioned, there is specific legal precedent as well, that being the following blurb from wikipedia:
Galoob manufactured an add-on product called Game Genie, which allowed users to modify video games by entering in certain codes; for example, a code might make the player invincible by negating the code that updates the player's health amount. Nintendo, which sold a video game system and video games that could be modified by Game Genie, sued Galoob for copyright infringement, arguing that Game Genie made a derivative work, violating Nintendo's copyright in their video game.
The Court denied Nintendo's motion for a preliminary injunction, holding that Game Genie did not create a derivative work and also suggesting that even if it did, it might well be fair use. As the district court wrote, "Having paid Nintendo a fair return, the consumer may experiment with the product and create new variations of play, for personal enjoyment, without creating a derivative work."
There are also other precedents that hold that hacking itself is legal, as long as you stick within certain boundaries. It then becomes, as stated above, a contract issue; in the EULA you agree not to reverse engineer, etc etc. Then, you have only the company/person you made the contract with to worry about, if they even bother to enforce it. And if they do enforce it, any damages will be minimal, if any.
Now, don't take this as a defense of hacking; while I personally find it acceptable for SINGLEPLAYER ONLY(I myself don't, since I prefer to play games the way they are meant to be played), in no way do I support multiplayer hacking, simply because it ruins the game for everyone else. This is strictly about the legal issues involved.
I think this post is too long, I need to stop now. :P
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Woah, lol, nice long post there Chris. O.o
Lol, gg.
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Cu they are damm asses >>
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Cause the are noobs and they want to be the best for examble at climbing server.
That's why they use hacks, I think.
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I think they do it for fun but for others it's not fun anyway.....
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Why I think people hack is probably what FliesLikeABrick said. Hacks, Cheats, etc all came from one certain place. And do you know what that place is? Yes. Consoles. When consoles came out there were cheats, hints, hacks to have fun with the playstation 2 etc, but it wasn't illegal. After that people obviously wanted hacks for pc games, but this was illegal. When you hack into a game it like hacking into someones privacy. You should never use hacks at any costs. I don't care if your computer would blow up, never use hacks. Hackers "try" to prove themselves good, but they aren't good. Ok, I admit I have been to some forums ,and people have posted hacks, but do you know what were the replies?
Hey, why don't you get a life and stop spamming the forums with your **** hacks
You ****er. The game as made by one man give it a break dude, he's working hard to keep the game up don't spoil it..
**** yourself...
Get it....?
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I would like to point out that because of hackers, releases have been prolonged because stupid people found exploits for MM to have to fix. Thanks a lot fags.
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I thought this topic was over...?
The point of the topic was to get people's opinion of why people hack games.
After a bunch of one-sided posts, I posted. An argument started.
The argument pretty much ended with this post:
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=9779.msg150367#msg150367
Oh yeah, ds dude, people cheat in games for many, many reasons.
It's not a simple as black and white.
Unless people are going to actually think of reasons why people hack, instead of saying: "They hack cause they're noobs"
What's the point of this topic being open if the replies are mostly the same?
Let it end...
Oh yeah, a-4-year-old, MM fixing exploits to prevent hacks is a bad thing? >_<
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There are many types of hacks. Some of them are to prove skills (no bink, no delay) and some of them are for fun (Airman hack, speed hack). Using "prove skills" hacks is much worse than "fan" hacks.
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I say we start using the anti-hack files online, such as anti-aimbot, anti-speed, and anti-damage increase. I have some of the anti-hacks, does anyone want me to release them? They're tough to use, though, 'Ight?
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I say we start using the anti-hack files online, such as anti-aimbot, anti-speed, and anti-damage increase. I have some of the anti-hacks, does anyone want me to release them? They're tough to use, though, 'Ight?
No.. In 1.4 hopefully the new anti-hack security system solves our problems...
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Wow amazing to delete all soldat hackers on the world ;D
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First of all : The new "anti cheat engine" sux. I tested it with Urbanterror , it doesnt even detect memory editing apps.
(as far as i know the only thing that it does is detecting if op-codes are changed / noped)
2.Aimbots will still excist ('couse someone said aimbots will be fixed )
3. yes , im a so called "hacker"
@Topic : I started hacking , because i got bored of soldat.
But its not like i want to ruin the game , i keep all my hacks private .
(i even made a antihack-hack for my soldat server !!!1111 - not working right , though [sometimes detects random people --- haha , like the soldat-anti-cheat-thingy :P ])
btw , for all you leechers out there :
http://freeLithX.6x.to -- download an aimbot here
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rofl ^^
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I think they're compensating for something. Maybe they're not willing to practice or learn but still want to be great.
I've seen hacked .exe mods for games that put in extra features, fix bugs or allow for new game modes. Some hacks are acceptable (especially the ones MIT does!), and as long as it's not public, nobody really cares.
Geez, if you hack a shareware 2D shooter made by some guy in Poland, that's pathetic. Why not try breaking Steam? Get them to give you free games AND never have them find out about it WITHOUT using programs you didn't write by yourself using only your own code. That will prove you're more of a hacker than getting used as target practice by people like MofoNofo.
Even though htis was an old thing Many people do hack steam. i got vac banned for getting every game. And i just got vac banned again for being accused of hacking.
I think they hack cause it is fun to watch. I actually dont hack to beat the game but It looks hilarious seeing a hacker play. But then I ban them o rget them banned.
Im sure Michal did the best he could for everything in 1.4 he is amazing lol Michal your my hero!
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Oh yeah, a-4-year-old, MM fixing exploits to prevent hacks is a bad thing? >_<
It is a waste of time. We could have easily had 1.4 or higher by now if MM didn't have to update the antihack system.
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And we would give hackers even bigger of an advantage. Smart thinking, 4-year-old.
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oh , btw
thx to MM who implemented a fucking visual radar , now every fucking noob can make a radar hack that shows all players
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And we would give hackers even bigger of an advantage. Smart thinking, 4-year-old.
Heya, I think I played against you earlier in a dodge ball server, good game. :D
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I hack to piss people off.