Annoying

[Dascoo]

Well no shit it hasn't, humans have been on earth for only a blink of an eye compared to other species. What you said takes millions of years, and rarely does it occur.

[SirJamesaford]

No man... there is no middle... its either a law or a theory.  Im sure there is tons of proof but that doesnt decide wheather or not its a law or a theory.  Only repeated tests with an undeniable conclusion can decide that.

What are you getting at? I'm saying Evolution is a scientific theory (DIFFERENT FROM AN EVERYDAY THEORY WHERE IT'S JUST A GUESS). You are saying Evolution is "just a theory" which is isn't.

O yes and there is a middle of that webpage, all you have to do is scroll down half way and you're there.  

I'm saying that evolution is not a law... it is a scientific theory (which is still a theory)... but ya know what... there have been alot of scientific theories that have been proven wrong.  And "everyday theories where its just a guess"  arent theories at all, there just guesses.  All im saying is that nothing is proven yet.

And i thought u meant evolution is in the middle of theory and law lol im an idiot

[Dascoo]

No man... there is no middle... its either a law or a theory.  Im sure there is tons of proof but that doesnt decide wheather or not its a law or a theory.  Only repeated tests with an undeniable conclusion can decide that.

What are you getting at? I'm saying Evolution is a scientific theory (DIFFERENT FROM AN EVERYDAY THEORY WHERE IT'S JUST A GUESS). You are saying Evolution is "just a theory" which is isn't.

O yes and there is a middle of that webpage, all you have to do is scroll down half way and you're there.  

I'm saying that evolution is not a law... it is a scientific theory (which is still a theory)... but ya know what... there have been alot of scientific theories that have been proven wrong.  And "everyday theories where its just a guess"  arent theories at all, there just guesses.  All im saying is that nothing is proven yet.

And i thought u meant evolution is in the middle of theory and law lol im an idiot

Well I agree, there is no law of evolution. Theories change of course.

Also, yeah I kind of knew that

[Psycho]

.... >.> I don't know why you think religion and money go hand in hand but its a dumb notion. About people killing over religious beliefs... again you overlook me saying its not a christians place to force their beliefs.

Oh really? I am pretty sure I remember something about the bible saying christians should go out and spread the christian beliefs. that is how christianity spreaded to other countries if you did not know. it was not a chain e-mail.

However if you want to make a list of things people were killed over so you can shun it... lets start one:
Land
Freedom
Money

By your logic all these things are now evil and should be shunned into the dark.

Well some things just can not be avoided. fighting for freedom and land and money is humans fighting for their own survival.
Fighting over religion is fighting over NOTHING and therefore the must unnecessary thing to fight over (in my eyes ofcorse)

But I do think mass slaughtering over land and money is terrible, dont get me wrong.

[SirJamesaford]

lol Then we just wasted alot of time debating nothing at all.  I just didnt understand the difference between what you think of as an everyday theory vs. a scientific one.  Cuz what you say is an everyday theory is really considered a hypothesis.

[Dascoo]

Yup alot of pointless arguing there ;_;

[Red_Dawn]

im fine with religion just stop trying to recruit me and others. now THATS annoying

people like THIS : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOxEa4mkPik



piss me off thx 4 year old i wanna kill this lady's whole family.

[Graham]

.... >.> I don't know why you think religion and money go hand in hand but its a dumb notion. About people killing over religious beliefs... again you overlook me saying its not a christians place to force their beliefs.

Oh really? I am pretty sure I remember something about the bible saying christians should go out and spread the christian beliefs. that is how christianity spreaded to other countries if you did not know. it was not a chain email.

However if you want to make a list of things people were killed over so you can shun it... lets start one:
Land
Freedom
Money

By your logic all these things are now evil and should be shunned into the dark.

Well some things just can not be avoided. fighting for freedom and land and money is humans fighting for their own survival.
Fighting over religion is fighting over NOTHING and therefore the must unnecessary thing to fight over (in my eyes ofcorse)

Spreading the word and telling someone they will be killed unless the conform are different. The people that spread the word are people that go in and help people out, and tell them what they believe. Whether the people getting helped believe or not the people helping just do what they meant to do in the first place. I know a man that leads a huge missionary orginazation that sends people all around the world, what do they do? Build schools and other building for people in extremely poor towns. Oh how believe or die has changed over the years... people used to just kill each other. now they are so bold as to build a school!

You are right some things can't be avoided. I never said people fighting over religion is the right thing to do. I can't help it that radials use religion as a easy reason to kill other people. If evolution was an easier thing to start a war over this conversation would be totally flip flopped.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

.... >.> I don't know why you think religion and money go hand in hand but its a dumb notion. About people killing over religious beliefs... again you overlook me saying its not a christians place to force their beliefs.

Oh really? I am pretty sure I remember something about the bible saying christians should go out and spread the christian beliefs. that is how christianity spreaded to other countries if you did not know. it was not a chain e-mail.

Right, but there's a huge difference between forcing someone to become a Christian, and setting a good example and when they ask, explaining why you are the way you are.  It's perfectly acceptable to ask someone if they'd like to learn about Christianity.  If they say no, move on and continue to pray for them.  We are called to show Christ's love, not rain down condemnation on people.

[Psycho]

who even knows the true thing behind christianity.. the bible has been edited so many times there is probably little left to show the true face of it all

[Red_Dawn]

if u take the bible as anything more than guidelines to live a happy life and you interprate it as you having to recruit people and hate other people because they don't believe what you do then your hardly a Christian.

[Graham]

who even knows the true thing behind christianity.. the bible has been edited so many times there is probably little left to show the true face of it all

Yes the Bible may have a few mistakes here and there but the basic message has never been lost. However its proven that some things that are documented in the Bible have actually happened. Wars and what not, so that only helps to say that the Bible has not been corrupted.

[Psycho]

there have also been countless factions of the bible that have been disproved if I am not mistaken.

[Graham]

there have also been countless factions of the bible that have been disproved if I am not mistaken.

Factions?

# A group of persons forming a cohesive, usually contentious minority within a larger group.

Do you mean facts? Depends on what sort of facts you are talking about, if we are getting into the religious facts, miracles and such then no concrete evidence could ever be formed for or against the issue. However if you are saying such things as dates and cities that never existed then please give me your source.

[Psycho]

hmm I thought a part of something could be described as a faction.. well im not entirely sure about that.
what I ment was parts of the bible.

Being the internet surfaholic I am I often come across such articles and lots of them, but I do not remember where I see them.
It might even be on TV or in a magazine.
I will look around though and post if I can find.

Edit: I did come across this wich is pretty interesting if true though.

the Bible contains thousands of prophecies that were fulfilled exactly as the prophecies predicted. For instance, the prophet Isaiah predicted the coming of Cyrus the Great (founder of the Persian Empire) two centuries in advanced, and even predicted that his name would be Cyrus. The book of Ezekiel predicted the destruction of Tyre centuries in advance. The book of Ezekiel also predicted that the Jews would leave Israel and disperse across the globe, which happened when the Roman Empire conquered Israel shortly in the first century A.D. It was also prophesied that the Jews would return to Israel, which happened in 1948 when Israel was reformed. Perhaps the most amazing prophecies of the Old Testament are those regarding the life of Jesus. Just in Isaiah 53, there are twenty-five different prophecies regarding the messiah that were all fulfilled by Jesus. For instance, Old Testament prophecy accurately predicted that Jesus would be born a virgin, crucified, and raised from the dead three days later. The fulfillment of these prophecies is proven not only by the New Testament but by many other writings of that time period, including the records of Roman historians.

[Pred]

Psycho is right.

Don't get me wrong, I think religion is a great thing, for the most part. Setting aside the minority of people who start wars because of religion, for the most part it has people live by rules that serve to make communities better. I think that if anyone is made a better person by religion, that's great. I also have no problem with people worshiping in anything. We believe what we want to believe, and that's fine.

But with all due respect: Pick a religion and shut the hell up about it.

What annoys me is the minority of people who preach in order to convert other people, right through to people who will kill innocent people for their religion. It's easy to take Islamic Extremists as an example, so that's what I'm going to do. They were raised in an Islamic fashion, and are surrounded by Muslims every minute of every day. It's normal to them. They have it stuck in their minds that the god of the universe wants all who do not worship him to be killed in some of the most horrific ways possible. These people can be the most devoted Muslims in the world, be prepared to strap a nuke to themselves and destroy a western city for their religion, yet if they were raised in a christian way, it would be unimaginable to them.

Don't you see? We believe what we are told to believe. I mean please, you spend so many hours of your life worshipping some all knowing being whom we've never seen, because of a book that was written by humans. You don't ever step back and think "What the hell am I doing?" (No pun intended.)

Science has proof. Facts. Hard evidence. You can look at big events and phenomenon and make your own assumptions, but just look at what has been proved.

People always sometimes give the rock-hard retort of "But why are we here? There must be a god!" We are here because we have survived. We have made it this far. It only seems a little bit convenient that we are still around, because if we weren't, we could exactly say "Huh. We seem to be extinct." There is no counter-argument to our existence, no other option other than us being here, because if there was there's be nobody around to argue it.

My opinion is that religion is just a load of rubbish. Fairy tales. It probably seemed utterly stupid to most people when the concept of it was first around, but if a couple beleived in it, had a few kids, the kids then beleived it. They went to breed with more religious people, who then made more kids, etc.

I say all this. I seem so athiest. And yet, if I were raised as a muslim, I might be in central London with a bomb on my back.