Just an honest question about the Law...

[Demonic]

Hmm, here's a random thought.

Right now, the LAW, like the knife, is a kill-and-drop weapon, with a severe disadvantage (only fired from crouch/prone, on the ground + occasional glitching), and some edge over the knife (longer range, blind shooting fun). This has been the overall 'mentality' behind it.

But looking at all the other semis, would the LAW be overpowered with a significantly shorter reload? To make it a continously usable weapon like the SOCOM: it would make a really good supplement weapon if you could fire it 2-3 times per spawn, as opposed to the current state of one per life.

Just throwing this in here - the LAW needs more glory, and this is the only value we haven't boggled around that much with, because the shoot+drop thing has always been an orthodox thought.

[demoniac93]

Well I know it's on the "not gonna happen list" and all, but why don't we just replace the LAW with say, and RPG7 or Panzershrek or something.
Cause even in real life the LAW M72 is a 1 shot weapon. You fire the rocket, and that's it. You can't reload it.
Seeing as this is for the balance of the game and the "greater good" for soldat I think we should replace the LAW with something else, cause you don't want to shorten the reload, and it's a 1 hit killer...
So unless you're gonna do something about it, it stays unbalanced.

[Squakingcow]

LAW is a massive disadvantage for your team mates in competitive CTF, the time spent crouching to fire the LAW could be spent spraying to weaken enemies etc. then there is also the fact that if the LAW user misses he is very vulnerable to nades, and the chances are they will die fairly rapidly, and when this occurs in main routes (laos for example) your other team mate can end up left in a 2v1 situation.

The LAW also disadvantages your team mates since people often make the mistake of waiting with LAW for a few seconds for the enemies to appear within range, rather than pushing forwards with their team mates and getting closer into the enemy base.

LAW is more useful when used by a alt route player, since most of the time you will be in 1v1 situations where your team mates aren't relying on working together to kill the opponents as much. However even in alt route scenarios it could be argued that even there knife is more effective and results in better teamplay.

Oh and banana-san, since when the fuck did you get good enough to have an ego...

[-Major-]

LAW is a massive disadvantage for your team mates in competitive CTF, the time spent crouching to fire the LAW could be spent spraying to weaken enemies etc. then there is also the fact that if the LAW user misses he is very vulnerable to nades, and the chances are they will die fairly rapidly, and when this occurs in main routes (laos for example) your other team mate can end up left in a 2v1 situation.

The LAW also disadvantages your team mates since people often make the mistake of waiting with LAW for a few seconds for the enemies to appear within range, rather than pushing forwards with their team mates and getting closer into the enemy base.

LAW is more useful when used by a alt route player, since most of the time you will be in 1v1 situations where your team mates aren't relying on working together to kill the opponents as much. However even in alt route scenarios it could be argued that even there knife is more effective and results in better teamplay.

Oh and banana-san, since when the f**k did you get good enough to have an ego...

always my dear~

who the fuck are you anyway?~

The Law is good, maybe slightly boosting, but it's still good. as for steel always fiering a law shot upon spawn really makes a difference if you got the aim and the timing in. Ash, to kill the base or the flag spot. etc etc

[numgun]

Moar blast radius and slightly faster reload.

LAW could become a group-kill weapon if aimed at a packed bunch of enemies. That would make it a bit more useful.

Right now the law works like a "suprise cruise missile!" weapon that can reloaded or thrown away and has a very limited operating capasity since you dont go crouching on the ground randomly with soldiers having their weapons aimed at you already. LAW is a tactical weapon, but it isnt a defencive weapon either since it only has one shot, and if you miss that, your law is useless rendering its potential defencive power to 0-1 soldiers per attack.

[SoldatFire]

yeah make the reload shorter i used it before but then i get lamed by the reloading 

[Monsteri]

Please don't necropost :/.. But LAW could have 1,4 seconds shorter reload yeah.

EDIT: Or maybe not, because pros understand to throw away their law, and pick up an another weapon. That's what I do all the time. (I can smell something)

[DarkCrusade]

So you say the LAW as a 1-hit-ko weapon is underpowered? Haven't laughed that much since when Bush was elected again.

[Clawbug]

Why should it even be able to be reloaded? Its not a weapon to reload in real life either, its a single shot thing...which has no delays whatsoever, or even explosive projectiles! So, remove the delay and increase the reloadtime 10x? And why on earth would one need to prone or crouch to shoot with it? There's no reason why it couldn't be shot from standing position too, or even from mid-air apart from obvious balancing issues.

Right now the weapon itself has absolutely nothing to do with M72 LAW apart from it's name. Heck, it doesn't even look like one!

[Monsteri]

Hmh, but in TW though it's perfect spray weapon. Look at it's stats in Zitro-stats! Pure awesome when we think, how slow it is.

[Clawbug]

Hmh, but in TW though it's perfect spray weapon. Look at it's stats in Zitro-stats! Pure awesome when we think, how slow it is.

TW has nothing to do with official weapon balance since it uses modified WM anyway.

[Monsteri]

Weapons are not modified in TW for me 

[Clawbug]

Weapons are not modified in TW for me 

What? The last time I played TW(Yeah, years ago) all the servers actually used their own WM. If it is a problem in TW, then the server owner can counter it by modifying the WM. There is no reason not to do so, since the whole gamemode is so heavily different from "classic" Soldat as we know it.

[Tekidek]

A SLIGHT more blast radius (had any1 here ever played Wolfenstein ET? Can u remember well the blast radius of the bazookas?    ) and 1 or 2 seconds less recharge

since the whole gamemode is so heavily different from "classic" Soldat as we know it.

IMO, TW is even better! 

[Clawbug]

since the whole gamemode is so heavily different from "classic" Soldat as we know it.

IMO, TW is even better! 

Sadly for us oldies, it's the trend these days. Our beloved game is changing.

[SoldatFire]

Why should it even be able to be reloaded? Its not a weapon to reload in real life either, its a single shot thing...which has no delays whatsoever, or even explosive projectiles! So, remove the delay and increase the reloadtime 10x? And why on earth would one need to prone or crouch to shoot with it? There's no reason why it couldn't be shot from standing position too, or even from mid-air apart from obvious balancing issues.

Right now the weapon itself has absolutely nothing to do with M72 LAW apart from it's name. Heck, it doesn't even look like one!

Hm.... its soldat if we would make real life weapons and gameplay: people would die from 1 bullet! and the barrett would shot its magazine empty in 7.5 seconds.. and and...

(i love the idea of making the blast more powerful )

[Clawbug]

Why should it even be able to be reloaded? Its not a weapon to reload in real life either, its a single shot thing...which has no delays whatsoever, or even explosive projectiles! So, remove the delay and increase the reloadtime 10x? And why on earth would one need to prone or crouch to shoot with it? There's no reason why it couldn't be shot from standing position too, or even from mid-air apart from obvious balancing issues.

Right now the weapon itself has absolutely nothing to do with M72 LAW apart from it's name. Heck, it doesn't even look like one!

Hm.... its soldat if we would make real life weapons and gameplay: people would die from 1 bullet! and the barrett would shot its magazine empty in 7.5 seconds.. and and...

(i love the idea of making the blast more powerful )

I know it's just Soldat, but having a LAW to be like that.. it's just as if we made AK-74 to spit out grenades instead of 7.62 mm bullets.

[SoldatFire]

hm.... no? a ak74 got 40-35 bullets and it shots automatic
a law got 1 rocket and it is slow reload it isnt even near a "rocket ak"

[Clawbug]

Sigh. What the eff are you talking about?

Are there any reasons why not to:
1) Remove startuptime from LAW
2) ..at the expense of longer reload
3) and that LAW could be shot from standing position too(not that it makes any difference, but it makes completely no sense that one would be required to prone or crouch to shoot it).

[demoniac93]

hm.... no? a ak74 got 40-35 bullets and it shots automatic
a law got 1 rocket and it is slow reload it isnt even near a "rocket ak"

He's saying that under your "real life" settings, the AK would just become an automatic LAW.
Work on your English.