Against Gathers?

[Veritas]

I tend to somewhat agree with you jerich. the solution isn't imho to remove gathers all together but makeing the more accessible to players best would be if they were integrated into soldat. so threshold for new players to play a gather would be lower.

The real problem here is the time commitment. If you don't set 40 minutes aside for a gather, it's definitely possible a player will have to leave and then I will have to tempban them for 3d

I wouldn't mind, say, a 4v4 server that was highly active (so you wouldn't have to worry about time), randomized teams every X rounds (for a more interesting game), etc. -- whether this will actually be active is another issue altogether.

well that isn't that hard to script for a public server really. however my point was that for most newcomers to soldat they have no idea about gathers and only see the publics and think the game is dead, and leave before even giving it a chance.

Oh yeah, I can see where you're coming from. The issue is if you make it visible to everyone that plays Soldat, you're going to get an increase in pausing, people leaving randomly, and so on -- IRC is useful as a filter to (mostly) take care of that. But then again we might have some strict moderation and everything will go well, especially with the IDs in 1.5.1. I don't really know!

That said I wouldn't mind seeing a shift towards public servers if there was an interest. While I enjoy gathers, we should help out with activity in the community.

[-Major-]

I have made efforts to teach public players about gathers in NASoldat's many public servers. We have actually got a lot of new players showing up in our channel since I created NASoldat in January. I'd be open for any creative ideas to help teach public players about gathers and increase these numbers.

NASoldat is a joke tho, banning people for supposedly "hacking" without any proof. well, I guess that's just how soldat is.... admined by ussualy socialy retarded 23-26 year olds who can't make decisions better than a 13 year old can.

[Veritas]

NASoldat is a joke tho, banning people for supposedly "hacking" without any proof. well, I guess that's just how soldat is.... admined by ussualy socialy retarded 23-26 year olds who can't make decisions better than a 13 year old can.

Whose ban are you talking about?

[darDar]

I have made efforts to teach public players about gathers in NASoldat's many public servers. We have actually got a lot of new players showing up in our channel since I created NASoldat in January. I'd be open for any creative ideas to help teach public players about gathers and increase these numbers.

NASoldat is a joke tho, banning people for supposedly "hacking" without any proof. well, I guess that's just how soldat is.... admined by ussualy socialy retarded 23-26 year olds who can't make decisions better than a 13 year old can.

wow. thats not nasoldat fault, as we got those guys in soldatgather as well and not only in those irc channels.. thats just life man there are like 90% retards living on the earth.

[-Major-]

I have made efforts to teach public players about gathers in NASoldat's many public servers. We have actually got a lot of new players showing up in our channel since I created NASoldat in January. I'd be open for any creative ideas to help teach public players about gathers and increase these numbers.

NASoldat is a joke tho, banning people for supposedly "hacking" without any proof. well, I guess that's just how soldat is.... admined by ussualy socialy retarded 23-26 year olds who can't make decisions better than a 13 year old can.

wow. thats not nasoldat fault, as we got those guys in soldatgather as well and not only in those irc channels.. thats just life man there are like 90% retards living on the earth.

yes, it goes for the general soldat admin. because soldat is a kids game, it's admined by kids.

NASoldat is a joke tho, banning people for supposedly "hacking" without any proof. well, I guess that's just how soldat is.... admined by ussualy socialy retarded 23-26 year olds who can't make decisions better than a 13 year old can.

Whose ban are you talking about?

mine? it's in the sctfl forums

[Dusty]

It's just Ananas-Ban being butthurt. If things don't go like he wants they are most likely retarded.

The topic got me wondering what's the purpose of it. Bringing gathers down? Probably not but that was the first idea that came into my mind.

[-Major-]

It's just Ananas-Ban being butthurt. If things don't go like he wants they are most likely retarded.

The topic got me wondering what's the purpose of it. Bringing gathers down? Probably not but that was the first idea that came into my mind.

it's jerich whining about gathers (cuz he never wins *giggles*).

[Dusty]

I seriously don't think he cares about winning in an online game and if I'm not completely mistaken, he has already won the SCTFL once.

[-Major-]

I seriously don't think he cares about winning in an online game and if I'm not completely mistaken, he has already won the SCTFL once.

I was joking?

[Veritas]

NASoldat is a joke tho, banning people for supposedly "hacking" without any proof. well, I guess that's just how soldat is.... admined by ussualy socialy retarded 23-26 year olds who can't make decisions better than a 13 year old can.

Whose ban are you talking about?

mine? it's in the sctfl forums

Just checking. The more likely version is that literally no one likes you and wants you around.

[Dusty]

INB4 Major posts his epic logs that he's posted pretty much everywhere already.

[-Major-]

NASoldat is a joke tho, banning people for supposedly "hacking" without any proof. well, I guess that's just how soldat is.... admined by ussualy socialy retarded 23-26 year olds who can't make decisions better than a 13 year old can.

Whose ban are you talking about?

mine? it's in the sctfl forums

Just checking. The more likely version is that literally no one likes you and wants you around.

I was fake nicking and etc, just read the logs.

[Atticus]

NASoldat uses sctfl's system for detecting hackers/annoying players. Players not allowed on sctfl servers are not allowed on our servers.

[kzya]

NASoldat is a joke tho, banning people for supposedly "hacking" without any proof. well, I guess that's just how soldat is.... admined by ussualy socialy retarded 23-26 year olds who can't make decisions better than a 13 year old can.

Its still better than not banning at all. I personally believe you were banned for being retarded which almost everyone agrees.

[akbar]

Gathers are a reaction to the downward progression Soldat has made. A section of Soldat's players decided it's more fun to have little games amongst themselves so they can LOL themselves away from "noobs".

Now that wouldn't be a problem if Soldat had plenty of others to play regular public games, but obviously Soldat had a dying USA population anyway. If you're American and looking to play a regular CTF game from the lobby with a good ping for your area, you won't find one. Servers like Hexer Mod, Snipe n Slice, etc. are the most popular CTF public servers right now and anyone looking to play a regular all gun CTF game are out of luck. You can sometimes find deathmatch servers with about 4 people from Europe or South America in them, but that's a shitty lag fest. Rarely you can find an INF server like Graveyard with around 8 people in it.

The first time I started playing Soldat wasn't through any of the public servers, but by setting up a game with my friends. Once most of them were all like "THIS GAME IS HORRIBLE I'M NOT PLAYING THIS ANYMORE WITH YOU" I played on the public servers. But for most Americans in my region of the USA, if you look in the lobby, you won't find any regular all gun games. You'll find some shitty mod servers, or servers like the ones !elite provide.

The most popular servers right now in my region are basically Soldat's essentials simplified: barretarding, m79 whoring, lag fests, etc.

Normal CTF servers will pop up from time to time in the lobby but they're short lived. And even if it got popular again, the games would be plagued by Soldat bugs and issues that have been with the game for years. For me, a person who has played plenty of Soldat, I can understand why people would not be attracted to play Soldat after you've tried it out for more than a little while.

I don't think there's anything wrong with gathers really. If you want to play with your friends or a selective group, that's not strange or hurting the game too much. If those players wanted to play in a public CTF game, they'd probably be forced to play at NA Soldat or another of the mostly dead and unpopulated servers, where you can get banned for hacking because you killed an admin too many times.

I think in the end though, it's a free game, you can't ask for game play perfection for something like Soldat at this stage. Play with the bugs and what you have and have fun with the game if you can find a non-laggy, semi-populated plain CTF/DM/INF/...(not HTF, Point Match, Team Match or Rambo since nobody plays them of course) pub server  .

[Meteorisch]

I only play pubs when im bored..

and i get even more bored playing in pubs since theres 0 skill in these servers.. It just ends hanging in your chair and full rushing / cap win.

k gathers > needs more skill which is more fun.

anyway playing with people you know is more fun too.

So i suggest install this IRC..

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From: June 08, 2010, 07:36:04 pm

NASoldat is a joke tho, banning people for supposedly "hacking" without any proof. well, I guess that's just how soldat is.... admined by ussualy socialy retarded 23-26 year olds who can't make decisions better than a 13 year old can.

You just got banned for being the most retarded person. That's fair imo.

[demoniac93]

I only play pubs when im bored..

and i get even more bored playing in pubs since theres 0 skill in these servers.. It just ends hanging in your chair and full rushing / cap win.

k gathers > needs more skill which is more fun.

anyway playing with people you know is more fun too.

So i suggest install this IRC..

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From: June 08, 2010, 07:36:04 pm

NASoldat is a joke tho, banning people for supposedly "hacking" without any proof. well, I guess that's just how soldat is.... admined by ussualy socialy retarded 23-26 year olds who can't make decisions better than a 13 year old can.

You just got banned for being the most retarded person. That's fair imo.

0 skill?
And what are you supposed to be? An SCTFL champion?

[-Major-]

NASoldat is a joke tho, banning people for supposedly "hacking" without any proof. well, I guess that's just how soldat is.... admined by ussualy socialy retarded 23-26 year olds who can't make decisions better than a 13 year old can.

Its still better than not banning at all. I personally believe you were banned for being retarded which almost everyone agrees.

I was fake nicking and wasn't really talking to people... how was I being retarded?

[Murska]

I've played a bunch of gathers. I'm an okay player, with lots of experience. I don't play seriously, though. I find it's less fun when I have to play in an effective way, whereas in pubs there's usually big enough teams that it won't hurt mine much if I spend my time using barrett/knife and annoying people by killing them from odd corners and moving around instead of picking an auto and attempting to cap. Often I'll cap once or twice in a round and then spend the rest of the time having fun.

I realize other people have their own forms of fun. I play Soldat to relax like that, starting a game and playing a while without paying too much attention and then leaving to rejoin when I feel like it again. And I think it'd be better if pubs had enough players and servers to really give opportunities to play for people who don't like gather-style gameplay or who are new and want to learn the game or who, for instance, don't know about gathers yet. But for that we'd need more publicity for the game. And we'd also need the good players to not isolate themselves in small communities and actually go out there and play with those they look down upon. Maybe the enemies are noobs and sure you can go play a few games with your friends competitively, but at least try going out there in the pubs every once in a while.

High class public servers with a solid and reasonably skilled playerbase are very good intermediaries, but sadly oh so rare.