Am I being way too bitchy about Ak 74?

[Poop]

Once again, changes that make the weapons more similar to eachother to balance them is a bad idea. 30 Ammo AK is making it like the steyr and mp5, do we want 10 weapons that are the same weapon just so they can be balanced? I doubt it. To balance weapons you should decide on what you want each weapons strentgh and weakness to be, then you make those strenghts stronger if you want to buff a weapon, and you make the weaknesses weaker if you want to weaken a weapon.

As the balance is now
Steyr is the best long range auto in 1v1 (Strength) but the weakest in the long run doing damage (Weakness)

Mp5 is the best short range auto in 1v1 (Strength) but its range is the worst of any auto (Weakness)

Minime does tremendous amounts of damage (Strength) but is vulnerable during its reload (Weakness)

AK is very versatile in almost all situations as of now, with its only weakness being that it kills slightly slower than the other autos, but it does not kill slow enough for that to be a big weakness. Increase its fireinterval from 10 to 11 or 12 and its time to kill goes from 1 to 1.1 or 1.2 seconds, now the difference in time to kill becomes significantly different relative to the other autos and becomes a real weakness.

[STM1993]

Minime does tremendous amounts of damage (Strength) but is vulnerable during its reload (Weakness)

Unfortunately, I don't think the Minimi has reached that standard yet. Even if it has, it seems that its inaccuracy is quite a problem. The 1.5 balance seems to promise that its inaccuracy would be improved which would uphold that standard much better.

I guess the AK should be given something along the lines of 103 damage, 11 fireinterval, the rest remains the same as compared to the current balance/1.5d balance.

This weapons balance discussion seriously NEEDS a sticky thread which tells us the goals and purposes of each weapon, so that we can work the balance towards it better, because currently everyone's views about each weapon seem to be very different. I'm gonna start that thread now... but if any of you guys post it first, then remove or combine the topics if necessary.

[excruciator]

That just the ammo though poop.
By slowing down ak, we are actually making guns more diversed.

[Veritas]

Minime does tremendous amounts of damage (Strength) but is vulnerable during its reload (Weakness)

Unfortunately, I don't think the Minimi has reached that standard yet. Even if it has, it seems that its inaccuracy is quite a problem. The 1.5 balance seems to promise that its inaccuracy would be improved which would uphold that standard much better.

The Minimi's inaccuracy can be accounted for by using burst shots and slower movement. I'm not a great Minimi user myself, but the players that do well with it seem to take their time, rather than rushing in willy-nilly (though that may be true of most weapons).

[excruciator]

Minime does tremendous amounts of damage (Strength) but is vulnerable during its reload (Weakness)

Unfortunately, I don't think the Minimi has reached that standard yet. Even if it has, it seems that its inaccuracy is quite a problem. The 1.5 balance seems to promise that its inaccuracy would be improved which would uphold that standard much better.

The Minimi's inaccuracy can be accounted for by using burst shots and slower movement. I'm not a great Minimi user myself, but the players that do well with it seem to take their time, rather than rushing in willy-nilly (though that may be true of most weapons).

So it's the playstyle not the gun

[STM1993]

The Minimi's inaccuracy can be accounted for by using burst shots and slower movement. I'm not a great Minimi user myself, but the players that do well with it seem to take their time, rather than rushing in willy-nilly (though that may be true of most weapons).

Burst shots doesn't work if you are moving. If you are moving, you'd need to take advantage of the fact that bink overrides movementacc, but bink only works after the 4th shot. Therefore, for the Minimi, it is more practical to shoot fully-automatic, at least for a period of time rather than in a short burst.

For an automatic, the Minimi's movement inaccuracy is a big disadvantage. Sure, you can try not to move... but there's a trade-off that you'd be an easier target. Plus, unlike semis and Barrett, you can't make pot-shots, it'd be very difficult to maintain concentrated fire, which is very important to autos, including the Minimi.

Your gun affects your play style.

[adam01526]

Overpowered or not, it's overused. How would you combat that, excruciator?

Just because people are sheeps does not mean other weapons are crap.

sorry to be anally retentive but its sheep not sheeps.

[Extacide]

I have some slight disagreements with you poop in regards to the post at the top of the page.

I would put steyr over AK as overused any day. I don't think steyr's strength is it's ability long range, more or less it's reliability. It's inarguably one of the easiest guns, and is the most used gun in all clan matches/SCTFL matches. If it's not statistically, then I guess I'm wrong (I don't have tables to pull out of my ass), but from my experience it's used widely in SCTFL as a safety net, as it's very easy to be consistent with. It's self-bink is negligible, allowing a small spread which even if you're not centered perfectly on an opponent and miss a few bullets, you can still kill them in a full clip. It's damage is hardly weak, I don't think it even has a weakness other than a few less DPS against a close ranged gun. When you line it up to the head with all bullets hitting it's overkill. Even against closer ranged guns like the Spas or HK, the disadvantages are negated by grenades in most situations. It received a few nerfs but it's still a very powerful gun that can hold it's ground against all others in almost every situation.

AK is perfect where it is in my opinion. I'd argue that MINIMI's weakness isn't much of a weakness when you use it correctly, but this isn't a debate over it so I don't see any reason to bring it up.

but is really hard to be great at it

Trust me, it's not hard at all. It's the most straight-forward gun in the game. Hold down the trigger for a few bursts and follow their head. It compensates for itself, and everyone in the clan community can aim near perfect with it.

[excruciator]

Steyr is easy to be ok with it, but is really hard to be great at it.
Again, if you are playing ctf, you only need to be ok with the weapon, and great with the nade. So steyr would be the best choice for it.