Purpose of the Weapons [Normal]

[STM1993]

I made this thread because the goals of the weapon balance as well as the standards of each weapon is not very clear, which can cause a lot of confusion as to how the guns should be balanced.

I would like to request a mod to sticky this and a beta tester to modify this post to update the goals, standards and purposes as they wish. What I have here are just the basics and a rough idea on what the weapons are.

Goals of the Balance:

• Equal usage of every weapon
• Every weapon is unique from one another

Weapon Standards:

• DEs: Close-mid range offensive Semi, highly accurate anti-autos. Has low bullet speed, making it poor for long range and difficult to master/use.
• MP5: Best short-range auto for 1v1, worst range of all autos. (Poop)
• AK: Reliable multi-purpose weapon. Can handle any situation reasonably well. (Skoskav/8th)
• Aug: Best long-range auto for 1v1, unable to last long in fights. (Poop)
• Spas: Ultimate close-quarters weapon, but terrible at range.
• Ruger: Long-ranged defensive semi with good firepower, but low ammo and poor for rushing.
• M79: Counter-rush offensive explosive 1-hitter, but has short range and long reload.
• Barrett: Slow-paced weapon which is easily binked. Extreme range and 1-hit kill are its only advantages.
• Minimi: An auto of tremendous firepower. It has poor portability and maneuverability (long reload, high movementacc).
• XM214:
• Socom: A 2nd gun, good for backup and finishing weak opponents.
• Knife: Quick killing weapon against single opponents.
• Saw: A deadly weapon, but specialized at melee range only.
• LAW: A mini-Barrett.
• Grenades:

General Weapon "Guidelines":

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Autos:
- Can be fired automatically at high rates
- Can be sprayed as a result, tolerant of missing
- Has impressive Damage Over Time (DOT)
- Has terrible Damage Per Shot (DPS)
- Relies on very concentrated fire to deal damage
- Compared to other weapons, they are less accurate
- They cannot perform pot-shots
- Much easier to use

Semis:
- Decent/slow firing rate
- Cannot be sprayed ; Missing is a problem
- Has good DOT, provided the user is 100% accurate
- Has impressive DPS
- Consistent accuracy required ; deals damage by single shots
- They are deadly accurate
- Can be used to perform pot-shots
- Extremely skill-based

1-hits:
- Extremely slow firing rate
- Cannot be sprayed ; Missing = Death
- Has terrible DOT ; single-opponents only
- The best DPS ; "ONE SHOT ONE KILL"
- Be accurate for the first shot
- They are accurate, but efficiency may be limited due to other factors
- Can be used to perform pot-shots
- First to shoot, first to hit, first to win "Blitzkrieg"


Short Range:
- Offensive
- Bullets are slow ; take longer to reach
- Bullets fly in a curved manner
- Movement does not hinder Accuracy
- Does not suffer bink

Long Range:
- Defensive
- Bullets are fast ; reaches enemies quickly
- Bullets fly relatively straight
- Accuracy is inversely proportionate to Movement
- Bink may be a problem

Auto > 1-hit > Semi > Auto


[excruciator]

Grenades: Do everthing!!! Yee!

I think beta testers should be filling this chart.

[-Major-]

Grenades are only for short range. so stop your whining about the grenades.

[STM1993]

I think beta testers should be filling this chart.

That's what I want the beta testers to do - fill up that chart.

[Clawbug]

Too many weapons for too simple game. There is no practical way to give every weapon it's own position in the game.

[SDFilm]

I might have an attempt at the whole list later when I get home, but for now I'll be the 'one-issue-party'.

Minimi

• Minimi: An auto of tremendous firepower, but vulnerable during reload

I'd also say that it pays for its tremendous firepower by being un-weildy; making it important to be higher then your opponent before engaging combat, as you can't jet while firring at the same time- also making a very poor choice for persuing EFCs.

While its long reload is certainly a factor, I think its poor maneuverability should be its main disadvantage; as having a long reload only restricts its strength, rather than actually making it weaker.[/list]

[excruciator]

Grenades are only for short range. so stop your whining about the grenades.

In theory, yes, In practice, aint really.

[The Epic Guy]

Spas12 is obviously a rush semi, but it doesnt seem very good at its job...

[Extacide]

    * DEs: Close-mid ranged semi-auto. No bink coupled with large ammo gives reign for dominance over autos. Arc and level of accuracy makes this weapon easily countered with long ranged firing.
    * MP5: Close-ranged plow auto. Only viable against almost every other gun with close distance, speed, and grenades.
    * AK: Versatile auto, insignificant bink, slow firing and HIGH damage potential auto excelling at mid-long ranges. Exceptional against other autos, semi-autos, but evens out against ruger/barret.
    * Aug: Most versatile auto. Significant bink that dissuades usage from great distances, but generally excels at all distances regardless. Extreme counter against ruger/barret.
    * Spas: Number one close-ranged gun next to M79. No reload, coupled with extremely high damage at close range gives the spas utter superiority in any close ranged/tight, corner filled maps. Decimated at ranges, and almost nullified by grenades (whether or not this is intended...)
    * Ruger: Long-ranged semi with excellent firepower, but low ammo and poor for rushing. Better used coupled with defensive maneuvering and coverage. Dominates all other semi-autos, but is countered by barret and autos in open air.
    * M79: Counter-rush offensive explosive 1-hitter. Short ranged, and easily countered by almost every middle-ranged gun when played correctly and defensively.
    * Barrett: Extremely long ranged one shot kill gun. Ultimate advantage over all other semi-autos. Gets destroyed by autos without a surprise advantage. Very easily binked, coupled with extremely low fire-rate and ammo forces this gun to excel mainly during slow-paced action.
    * Minimi: Extremely high firing rate and damage, insignificant bink but significant movement acc. Versatile range and all included only to be downsized by long reloads.
    * XM214: last resort/give up weapon
    * Socom: Powerful off-hand weapon, but inferior to all other guns.
    * Knife: Versatile one shot kill off-hand, excelling at close-mid ranges.
    * Saw: Specialist melee-ranged weapon.
    * LAW: Powerful one shot kill off-hand, excelling at mid-infinite ranges.
    * Grenades: A nerfed m79.

Thats the way I see it, whatev.

[Platehead]

I wouldn't say AK evens out with barrett, it should be > barrett.  So should all autos except probably MP5, as it's got the range disadvantage for that extra few ticks of no bink.  If you're talking about the scope, barrett > everything at scoping range, provided they got uncanny reflexes.

I'd like to maybe see saw in the competitive scene lol

XM214 is not really a last resort/giveup.  It's possible to get good at it, probably better with the new weapon balance.  Apparently, there's a trick to it.... aside from that, if you get a lucky flag pickup then you're basically home free.

[excruciator]

Spas12 is obviously a rush semi, but it doesnt seem very good at its job...

What are you saying!
Spas rules at rushing or flag grabbing.

[STM1993]

It's great, it's most probably because you met some guys with longer-ranged guns at a not so favourable terrain/circumstance. The new Spas is actually uber-overpowered at its job, just that few people even use it.

[8th_account]

• Ak: Reliable multi-purpose weapon. Can handle any situation reasonably well.

[STM1993]

^ Added to the list.

[Platehead]

XM - support weapon when many players are around, boosting and dealing minor damage to a wide range of enemies, able to self boost for good flagrunning.