post yo musics

[jerich]

Meh, I tried steering this back on topic but its now a lost cause

[Slashnoob]

is there anyone in here that doesn't download music off the web?

[N. Escalona]

I actually have been thinking about this and wanted to share my thoughts with y'all again.

Seems to me that if you buy a song, you ought to be able to share it with friends. In fact, you ought to be able to share it with anyone so long as you get no gain from the exchange, monetary or otherwise. In other words, so long as the sharing is not part of some "market system."

Pretty much just like books, right? How's that sound.

[Dusty]

I've never done so.

[Farah]

I actually have been thinking about this and wanted to share my thoughts with y'all again.

Seems to me that if you buy a song, you ought to be able to share it with friends. In fact, you ought to be able to share it with anyone so long as you get no gain from the exchange, monetary or otherwise. In other words, so long as the sharing is not part of some "market system."

Pretty much just like books, right? How's that sound.

torrent sites are my friends

[N. Escalona]

Can anyone think of an example of merchandise that the buyer may not resell or give to anyone else? I've trying to figure if a music artist should be able to establish these restrictions on their own work. I'm leaning towards yes.

[Farah]

no. nobody will care and it will not change anything. waste of money trying to pursue legal cases YOU CANNOT BEAT PIRACY WITHOUT DESTROYING PRIVACY

[Smegma]

Musicians who sell music are not artists.

[N. Escalona]

Disagree.

The disagreement is pretty fundamental so I'm not sure what else to say to support my side.
The acquiring of wealth is in a no sense disreputable or wrong in itself.

[Smegma]

Art is suppose to illuminate the human condition and have no monetary value. If you try to sell true art, its pretty much stealing. Donations, on the other hand, are fine.

[Wormdundee]

Yeah, that's something that sucks about buying a game online. You can't share it with anybody. If Steam would implement some sort of borrowing system in which you can 'lend' a game to a friend that would be awesome. But I digress. The point is, if you buy a chair, and you end up no longer needing it there will generally be someone willing to take it. There doesn't have to be exchange of money, you can just give it to them.

The thing is, this gets all muddled up when you get to music and other forms of data. It's not clear where the ownership lies on a piece of data. Since it can be endlessly copied with pretty much zero cost, companies usually add something into the EULA about how you are simply licensing a copy of the data for personal use. Of course, the validity of these EULAs has been called into question.

Really, I think there has to be some radical shift in how we deal with this sort of thing before these questions of ownership and sharing can be squared away.

As for this

Musicians who sell music are not artists.

You cannot even begin to comprehend how much I disagree with you on this. As Escalona said, there really isn't any point to argue here, its just patently ridiculous.

I leave you with this:

art⋅ist     [ahr-tist]
–noun
1.   a person who produces works in any of the arts that are primarily subject to aesthetic criteria.

[Smegma]

Its not that the musician doesn't create, its just he doesn't create art.

[ValiS]

Art is suppose to illuminate the human condition and have no monetary value. If you try to sell true art, its pretty much stealing. Donations, on the other hand, are fine.

True, in case the artist has became illuminated enough to transcend the human condition and no longer requires food and shelter to produce (excuse me, create) art. Your argument maybe applies to conceptualism, because it doesn't directly involve physical labor. Have you ever given a live performance? It sure FEELS like work, pleasurable work yes, but then you shouldn't pay to a prostitute as well and just resort to raping, because "you cant put a price on love".

[Smegma]

Sex =/ Love.

Time =/ money. Unfortunately, the old phrase is not true. Just because time could be spent otherwise, does not make it valuable.

My argument doesn't depend on physical or mental labor because that's not at issue now.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Art is suppose to illuminate the human condition and have no monetary value. If you try to sell true art, its pretty much stealing. Donations, on the other hand, are fine.

I kind of agree with Smegma here.  If money is a natural side effect of the art, that's fine, especially if you have something legitimate or profound that you're trying to convey.  But once you start expecting to get paid for what you do, you've lost focus.  These are your personal feelings and revelations, and it's your choice to share them with the world.  Why should people have to pay for something that you want to give? And if you don't want to give, why are you producing albums?

If you want to see an artist who (in my opinion) is as genuine as they come, check out Ronan Harris of VNV Nation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqPhaAQ6yDQ&fmt=18

When you see how he acts on stage and how he talks in interviews, it's quite clear that invests a lot of thought and emotion into his songs.  He doesn't look anything like what you'd expect from a singer, and it very really sends the message, "This isn't about me; this is about the songs.  Don't look at me; listen to them."

[jettlarue]

People that play music for only money suck, I can't see how they would have gotten famous if there wasn't such a gross monopoly going on. Itunes is shit, they rip off independent musicians. Source:http://torrentfreak.com/pirated-by-itunes-artist-turns-to-bittorrent-080206/. Although he releases torrents, still the best thing to do would be to buy from him. So iTunes out, I wouldn't doubt if many of the other big-business fucks running some of these websites are doing the same thing. To really support an artist, buy from smaller cd or mp3 or whatever format stores. One I really like is http://www.cdbaby.com which focuses in independent artists, the people who really need the money. And almost all the money you are spending goes straight to the artist, what a deal huh?
RIAA has stopped suing people in the US, so it's not like you have to worry about that 0.01% chance of getting caught now. Some of my family has had their income be purely from music, and trust me, it's hard as shit to get recognised, if you ever do. Although like I said, whether someone is doing something for money or for the love of it, either way if they are dedicated to spend all their life on it, they still need food to eat and a place to sleep, which isn't asking much for a lifetime of dedication that pleases the ears. It's a different story if they suck.

[jerich]

Ok to try to bring this back on topic, here are 2 things I recorded yesterday because I lost my phone and I had no numbers so I stayed at home. As I said on my last post, I would play some videogame themes on guitar.


I didn't name them to make it kinda like a game.

Name the game and theme.

Hint: The first game is a 2D(eventually made into a 3D) sidescroller game. VERY popular game released in multiple consoles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL0rtY8wqAI&feature=related

Hint: The second game is known as one of the top RPG's ever. Released in multiple consoles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIRRIhxFKY&feature=channel


I'm sure noone is gonna play this but is here for the offer. If you have any request whether it's videogame or a real song, let me know. Just keep in mind that I'm a novice so don't put some crazy song that I would never be able to play.

[Wolf_Man]

Damn right.

[PANZERCATWAGON]

bumping this to post this little thing i made yesterday and would like some criticism