Here we go again..

[1010011010]

Why can't we just leave the M79 alone? Last time I checked, this isn't CounterStrike and clans aren't everything.

[Demonic]

Would it surprise you that the M79 modification was like the only one which wasn't done to nerf it in clanwars? It's not a problem there, and it won't be less strong with -3 speed, it'll be only less noob friendy, so publics won't be swarmed with it.

[a-4-year-old]

secondaries are for strategy, weakening or destroying already weakened players and last minute ditch effort kills.

the knife is whipped out and thrown at the  person about to fire off a fatal shot, and if you are lucky enough then you survive, and the law can be a good way of killing an enemy while retreating to reload a bit before going back in, and the soccom kills off the guy who lived through the 2 ruger shots you had in your chamber, and all you need to do is fire off a few pistol shots to take him down. The chainsaw doesn't do any of this particularly better then the other secondaries, unless someone is trying to stab you with the knife, it is so satisfying and fun if you can get a kill on someone with a saw.

[Raithah]

Socom is overpowered, Barret is overbinked. Rest of the weapons are fine, except maybe Steyr is too fast. Also, I disagree with Extacide, Minigun can take out any weapon in the right situation.


Also, do you realise that this weapon balance changes are simply "a bit here, a bit there", maybe if you think about it, the balance is fine and you (we?) are actually doing slight modifications because "in that one time" or "once this happened to me...".

Leave the gun alone. No, seriously, you will have hordes of snipers, m79ers and shotgunners wailing at your doorstep; the SOCCOM is practicaly a primary for people who have special use or short range weapons. So keep off the gun please

[Extacide]

You can add all the recoil you want, it only shoots one bullet every 6 seconds, it won't make a difference. Also, it sounds like you play agained some really unskilled people in ctf. If you put a longer reload on the m79 you might as well change the name to the law :\

Your first mistake in this argument is your assumption of where I base my opinions off of. Everything I say is from experience in clan wars, league matches such as SCTFL and scrimmages with skilled clans. You probably don't know me well but im an active participant in the NA clan scene except for the other day. >_>

Regardless, M79 needs a nerf and has needed it for the longest time.

@Demonic

Not exactly, considering the tendencies of public players, newbies use the first gun they are successful with. Since m79 and Barret are instant killing guns, they can well, obviously make a kill more easily since it requires 1 shot, even if it takes them several tries. Its in almost every game where most newbies stick to what can be termed the "easiest" way to win, until they learn the more complicated but more successful strategy.

[ZWZ]

You can add all the recoil you want, it only shoots one bullet every 6 seconds, it won't make a difference. Also, it sounds like you play against some really unskilled people in ctf. If you put a longer reload on the m79 you might as well change the name to the law :\

Your first mistake in this argument is your assumption of where I base my opinions off of. Everything I say is from experience in clan wars, league matches such as SCTFL and scrimmages with skilled clans. You probably don't know me well but I'm an active participant in the NA clan scene except for the other day. >_>

Regardless, M79 needs a nerf and has needed it for the longest time.

So, if good players can't even stop a m79 user in ctf, it must be mercilessly abused by all the tops clans right? Everyone knows people will use whatever advantage they can outside of cheating, so only the top clans would obviously choose the m79 with it's ability to single handedly make flag caps.

You mentioned SCTFL, their season 9 just wrapped up. They posted the demo of the final match, i was expecting to see a pure m79 vs m79 match, or at least a few users showing their prominence.

http://sctfl.soldat.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4407

from what i saw, the top two clans in your very skilled league seem to favor the aug and minimi, easy to use guns that multiply their efficiency when used by many teamates. i didn't see any m79 users (or if there were, i missed them).

Explain this to me? Usually when you are in the finals of a tournament, you don't use your second or third best odds to win do you?

[Morik]

m79 is not used NEAR as much as autos in clan wars and league matches.

[Demonic]

Yes ZWZ, read my post: the m79 was the only gun which got a change NOT based on clan wars.

Btw, I still think that if we want to make it un-noob friendly, we should give it a charge time, but I'm not in charge anymore ( HA HA ). Besides, with every other gun strenghtened, M79 dominance might be restricted by a lot.

[Clawbug]

AK USED TO BE great due to it's accuracy. I could just rush and make over 90% of bullets to hit. Well, I am afraid that now the SKILL level is DECREASED, because it is more basec on LUCK. How many of you do think that less LUCK in the league and tournament games is BETTER? Anyone lost to another clan because of some bug, and the another clan was LUCKY to win?

Do you respect a player, or a clan becuse of it's luck or skill? Which is more important to you? ;_;

Ak seems to be useful in the deathmatch maps, with alot of enemies, due to it's big clip. But in the 3v3 CTF, the big clip is not really the strong point.

[5th_account]

How does one go about in increasing the gun's luck attribute?

[hit]

I'm an AK user and to see it go from 113 to 103 is a travesty. I think the AK was perfect. It wasn't overpowered or underpowered, i rarely saw threads on here complaining about the AKs power whereas there were numerous threads complaining about M79s and most of the other weapons really.

Please keep it as it is!

[5th_account]

Snarf, if you acctually look at the changelog you'd figure out that the AK does +0.25% more damage over time than in 1.3.1. Ain't much but the thought is there! Notable changes are less accuracy and shorter fire-time, or whatever you'd call it.

[Avis]

I think, the M79 should have a bigger explosion radius combined with less damage, because you can hit somebody who is 10 meters away without getting a scratch. That would make it different from Spas, also.

But you still should be able to kill somebody with a direct hit, just make it more dangerous for its user in melee.

€: I'm GLAD, that the AK-74 has 360 rpm again.

[Clawbug]

Snarf, if you acctually look at the changelog you'd figure out that the AK does +0.25% more damage over time than in 1.3.1. Ain't much but the thought is there! Notable changes are less accuracy and shorter fire-time, or whatever you'd call it.

0.25% won't really help if the accuracy has been decreased more than 0.25%. So the weapon got nerfed.

Well, the less I coudn't care anymore, Soldat has bee fukked since 1.1.5. :E

[Outcast]

Snarf, if you acctually look at the changelog you'd figure out that the AK does +0.25% more damage over time than in 1.3.1. Ain't much but the thought is there! Notable changes are less accuracy and shorter fire-time, or whatever you'd call it.

Well, the less I coudn't care anymore, Soldat has bee fukked since 1.1.5. :E

So why are you still playing if it's fukked? Because you can't stop! MUAHAHAHA. It's getting better. End of story.

[Clawbug]

Snarf, if you acctually look at the changelog you'd figure out that the AK does +0.25% more damage over time than in 1.3.1. Ain't much but the thought is there! Notable changes are less accuracy and shorter fire-time, or whatever you'd call it.

Well, the less I coudn't care anymore, Soldat has bee fukked since 1.1.5. :E

So why are you still playing if it's fukked? Because you can't stop! MUAHAHAHA. It's getting better. End of story.

Meh. I haven't really played seriously for about a year now. And, I've been lookinf for 1.3.2, if it can interest me enough to start being active again.

There are alot of things happened for the WM. Law delay, Barrett delay, Knife delay... Now, the only weapon I really like, has it's accuracy fukked up. So what is the damn point in trying to aim, rather than spray? >_>

Well seriously, I hope that the decreased accuracy wont affecct MUCH, but it might be too much for long-distance shooting. Not many might notice it in publics, but in clanmatches it does matter do you miss one or 2 bullets more than usual.

Ahh.. I just free my WASD and get rid of movement acc. <3

E: Arr. After examining the balance, I found out that I misunderstood it a bit. :O Harhar, my bad. ;_; *Goes behind that corner*

[Extacide]

Lol ZWZ, did you actually play in that SCTFL though? I'm not sure about you, but I sure played, and the finals match certainly does not represent the weapon use throughout all of SCTFL. One match doesnt count out the other probably 200 matches played.

[ZWZ]

So, your explanation is what? Teams that use m79 were so good they didn't advance? The finals are no indication as to what weapons are better than others?
 I understand SCTFL has a lot of good players, but that doesn't you can't be a poor player. After all, you wanted to add recoil to a gun that fires a bullet every 6 seconds, I'm less than impressed with your "credentials" thus far.

[5th_account]

zwz, dude. You have to draw a line between 16 slot public and 3v3 clanwars.

And when you speak of M79 having a 6 second reload I cannot trust your opinions as valid when it comes to balancing.

[ZWZ]

It was an exaggeration on my part that was picking apart an idea that had no merit. Anyhoo if just being a member of this SCTFL makes you expempt from explaining yourself, maybe i should sign up!