I have had enough

[[R^M]TomaHawk]

The best way to take out a m79er is charge em i mean it sounds crazy but it works.What you do is air combat cause ur a smaller target and keep firein on em till he croaks.

[knot]

Public servers are different. Just try and beat 3 organised autos with m79s.

[jbigz]

i know public servers are different. whole teams use m79s omg...

[Mr. Jenkins]

Agh I agree! You're just walking along with your favourite gun and suddenly BOOM you're dead. It is currently the cheapest weapon of all. Well, it is a lot cheaper in tunnels I guess. In other games explosive weapons aren't cheap because they run out of ammo and there is more space to dodge (3d), but not in Soldat. So it is necessary to go through all this weapon balancing debates about the m79. *sigh* Here's some things I think we could change to balance it:

1. The m79 reloads way too fast. It takes about 2-4 seconds maybe. So all someone has to do is fire it, run back, then fire it again and the dead guy won't know what happened to him. We just have to fix this by making it a much longer reload and the other guy will be able to pursue the m79er and kill him.

2. Have you ever played on the Elite Snipe & Slice server? I have no idea how much movement accuracy they put on the barret, but it is a lot! You have to actually stop moving to shoot straight. We should apply this to the m79. After all, it must be very heavy. Moving fast with it would make it hard to aim.

3. Why does it do more damage then grenades? It says in the manual that hand grenades aren't an instant kill, so why make the m79 an instant kill? Maybe make it do 80-90% damage.

4. Smaller explosions. This way it would have less range when it explodes. Plus there would be less m79 boosting.

5. RICOCHET??!!! I mean, c'mon, this makes it even better in tunnels. It is a little much to have it ricochet. Taking this out would slightly discourage players to use the m79. It would make a small difference.

6. Movement penalty. A grenade launcher must be quite heavy, so it would make the player move slower. This would stop the sudden deaths *shudder* from passing by an m79er.

7. Less speed. The grenade moves pretty quickly, and a good idea would be to make it move slower. With slower movement it would require a lot more skill because you would have to anticipate where the target is going to be. No more newbs being corrupted by the evil m79.

So that's basically all I can think of that would make the m79 less cheap. Implicating all of them would be going too far, but just the good ones would put the effectiveness of the m79 along with the other weapons. Oooo quite a long post.

[ds dude]

this isnt neccessary poeple can chose what weapon they want but if they use it too much then thats the time to take action.

[Mr. Jenkins]

Um, have you actually read this topic? How much soldat do you play? PEOPLE DO USE IT TOO MUCH, AND THAT IS WHAT THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT!!! Jeez.

[shoes]

if everyone was using the m79 then of course you'd get hit by a m79 nade. What did you expect?

seriously now, the m79 isn't that bad. It's not so easy that any noob  could hit you when you're flying and not right in front of him. And it doesn't travel very fast.

I wouldn't share stories like that one about the sister. That's just inviting people to insult you.

[Mr. Jenkins]

Hey that's something. If everyone was using steyer AUG, then you'd get hit, duh, but would you die...?

I disagree. The m79 is just like BOOM BOOM BOOM triple kill BOOM dead BOOM wtf. Well, saying it is too cheap is simpler.

[Zamorak]

Most guns are 1-shot wonders


Barret
M97
Deagles
Rugar
Knife
Law
Chainsaw
'nades

so whats the deal about m97, if it works for you use it!

I prefere a rugar anyway...

Ruger isn't 1 shot, unless you play realistic

ok air139...its m79 lol... and ruger and  chainsaw and nades and deagles arent 1 hit kill. ruger is 2 unless u get head shot(i believe). deagles take 2-3. chainsaw takes 3-4. nades depend on where u get hit.

I only play R/S it's the only way to go, there are  more expeierenced players (generally) in R/S....

In realsitic all those weps are <b>capable</b> of 1 hit kills, you just have to aim, and any wepeon can kill you in a few hits, even the socom is only 3 hit kills,  this reduces the comodity on "super weps" and causes players to branch out and learn more effective weps.

The only reason i ever use an m97 is for blasting clumps of zombies, or if i need that unique vector they have

To the contrary, whenver I venture into an RS server I find massive amounts of immature morons who call me names such as: "flag runner, flag capturer, @#$!@#$".

Also, I also find there are more experienced players in normal soldat...

[DrivenUnder]

Mr.Jenkins, you should stop playing with noobs.

[Mr. Jenkins]

Wow. Great idea. Why did I not think of that. I'll just leave a server every time someone uses an m79!

[Lethal Injection]

Bull excrement to you threadstarter.

The m79 is ONLY good in enclosed maps or in skilled hands, and if you use it you risk killing yourself in the process... I agree that it's annoying when half the server uses it, but it's annoying when half the server uses AK's as well! AK's aren't exactly underpowered.. Learn to dodge.

That's what I do. Laugh if they hit you, and learn from your mistakes. The m79 is only useful if the opponent is close if you can dodge...

Anyways, to clear things up for jettlarue, ruger kills in one shot if it's not a leghit. A ruger will ALWAYS kill instantly from above, unless you're very lucky/unlucky (depending on which end of the ruger you are). Deagles kill from above no matter what, due to the increased speed when you fall.

[DrivenUnder]

Wow. Great idea. Why did I not think of that. I'll just leave a server every time someone uses an m79!

Let me ask, how do you run? Do you like to run and not jump? Do you like to rush m79ers so they hit you straight on? Do you not stop when you see an m79er and possibly flip/jump/worm?

Im definetly not bothered with m79ers. I laugh at them, cuz I pwn them, everytime. Even if they constantly kill me? I get them back anyhow, and I laugh because they will usually have a score of 5 kills, while I have 100000 kills. ^^

[Nfsjunkie91]

It's not really all that hard to dodge M79 users. Just stay out of their arc. You can jet outta the way, run-jump out, lots of ways to do it.

[Zamorak]

Here, maybe this will help you.*



*Not to scale

[Mr. Jenkins]

He nice drawing.

Let us say a deagle user is running from the left side of the map to the right, and an m79 user vice versa. Neither of them know the other one is there. I ask you, if both are heading straight for each other, how is the deagle user supposed to avoid the m79 user?
The deagle user has to slow down to a complete stop and start going left while all the m79 user has to do is keep going forward and click to kill the deagle user. Tomahawk said that you should charge them, but that doesn't make any sense. M79s are good for close. Like the spas I guess, except an instant kill.

While it takes half a second for an m79 user to kill, most other guns have to actually engage the enemy. In a fight. Which lasts up to.... 10 seconds?

Saying people who don't think the weapons are balanced are whiny noobs who won't stfu is just giving a bad image. They are just people who don't think the weapons are balanced, and that something should be done about it.

[Mr. Domino]

Here, maybe this will help you.*

http://zamorak.vectorstar.net/images/M79.PNG

*Not to scale

I disagree, as open areas give more room for the shot to travel. Having vertical space to place with greatly increases your range and gives you room to dodge shots should you miss or need another to kill a second person. Tunnels make avoiding fire difficult, and any long range weapon will have the advantage there by far.

[The Geologist]

Maybe if people would learn to keep some distance from people using an m79, their problems might somehow magically disappear.  Shocking, but true.

But no, you have people suggesting we dive right back into weapon balance because they run right up to those using m79s and wonder why they die, why it's "so" hard to dodge.

So sad ...or is that pathetic? 

[Mr. Jenkins]

Let us say a deagle user is running from the left side of the map to the right, and an m79 user vice versa. Neither of them know the other one is there. I ask you, if both are heading straight for each other, how is the deagle user supposed to avoid the m79 user?
The deagle user has to slow down to a complete stop and start going left while all the m79 user has to do is keep going forward and click to kill the deagle user. Tomahawk said that you should charge them, but that doesn't make any sense. M79s are good for close. Like the spas I guess, except an instant kill.

You just say

keep some distance

. Easier said than done.

[Zamorak]

Here, maybe this will help you.*

http://zamorak.vectorstar.net/images/M79.PNG

*Not to scale

I disagree, as open areas give more room for the shot to travel. Having vertical space to place with greatly increases your range and gives you room to dodge shots should you miss or need another to kill a second person. Tunnels make avoiding fire difficult, and any long range weapon will have the advantage there by far.

So you think that you will be beaten by a m79 user in open air? This only happens if you aren't paying attention or are stupid, just try and dodge a shot in a tunnel like area.