My take on Soldat

[Madchal]

check out gathers or clanwars, or change to play realistic mode. all of those, the m79 useage is greatly lowered. Especially in realistic mode.

[iDante]

Offtopic
m79 is FUN! Fight fire with fire, next time you are owned with one pick one up!
Ontopic
The solution to all of your problems is to get off of maps like arena3 and onto TW servers. Or large maps. Mainly TW servers though.
If you must play tiny maps then I would use a MP5/Knife combo to own their asses. In my experience once people start seeing a person win with a diff type of gun they will take a similar gun. Once everyone is using this kinda gun switch again. Ive gone from barrett to ak to ruger to m79 to mp5 to ruger to mp5 back to barrett and then spas in one short game. Of course to do this you have to be good with lots of guns.

[Captain Ben]

ffs just admit it, the m79 is crap

don't get all close up against someone with an m79 and mod your grenades to be a bigger more noticeble colour
99% of the time people get killed by m79ers by rushing up to them

[iDante]

99% of the time people get killed by m79ers by rushing up to them

98% of all statistics are made up on the spot
I agree though.

And for the few of us who are smart players (I may suck but I'm not stupid... derrr...) there still are the ones who are amazing. I've played some people who are basically m79 snipers, who have played so much that they can predict my every move. What do I do, I keep playing them and try to beat them. I experiment with guns to see which one is best against m79. I know that I will never beat this person, and thats why I play him.
Oh yah, and tip for those who are too stupid to find out, DONT FIGHT AN M79 WITH A LAW!! I cant count the times I've seen someone crouch down and stand still for the nice m79er to blast them to pieces, the secret to beating an m79 is by MOVING and being UNPREDICTABLE so that he won't be able to get a good shot at you. Good m79 players know that one miss is a death so they will make sure to have the best shot on you before firing. DONT GIVE IT TO 'EM!

Oh yah, captain ben change cabinet to cellar in your sig, makes more sense

[The Philanthropist]

For the final time I'm not whining! If this has been previously discussed the last one didn't make much of a difference did it? You say they will just keep going down the line to the second strongest weapon if we remove it.. what does that tell you? It tells me that a big % of the Soldat community are blood thirsty, exploiting lowlifes and do you see a single one of them coming here to the forum? No you don't. Why? because they don't care, they play the game for one sole purpose: To have fun If that means they have to ruin it for other people, they will.

You missed the point. every weapon has a general type of weapon that can pick it off. What happens when an entire team (alpha) picks barrets? The entire bravo team will pick AUG's to get the other binked so they can't shoot. What happens when the entirety of alpha picks m79's? All of bravo picks Minimis or Steynrs. The fact that these guns have long range escapes the m79's short one. Keep out of distance. If thy miss, they will try to run. If you want to follow, stay on the exact opposite edge of the map. If you have relatively low health already, or the enemy is leading you into unforgiving terrain, then just don't bother. I leave them alone, and they come back for the kill, and now I control where we move in the fight. You have to control the fight, rushing blindly is not the way to go, backflipping, proning, and nading are.

You are telling us that the weapon balance is wrong, we are telling you that you are playing wrong ,and trying to correct your technique so you can combat 2-3 m79 users at a time.

[Captain Ben]

99% of the time people get killed by m79ers by rushing up to them

98% of all statistics are made up on the spot
I agree though.

And for the few of us who are smart players (I may suck but I'm not stupid... derrr...) there still are the ones who are amazing. I've played some people who are basically m79 snipers, who have played so much that they can predict my every move. What do I do, I keep playing them and try to beat them. I experiment with guns to see which one is best against m79. I know that I will never beat this person, and thats why I play him.
Oh yah, and tip for those who are too stupid to find out, DONT FIGHT AN M79 WITH A LAW!! I cant count the times I've seen someone crouch down and stand still for the nice m79er to blast them to pieces, the secret to beating an m79 is by MOVING and being UNPREDICTABLE so that he won't be able to get a good shot at you. Good m79 players know that one miss is a death so they will make sure to have the best shot on you before firing. DONT GIVE IT TO 'EM!

Oh yah, captain ben change cabinet to cellar in your sig, makes more sense

theres no such thing as a m79 sniper, they're just pussies who hide in tunnels and hard-to-reach places so that when you get close they shoot you

[Blue-ninja]

Excactly. Compared to pussies who hide in unfairly hidden spots with barrett.

[NorrisScott]

The M79 is about predicting movement. When you notice your opposition follows a certain pattern, you aim for where you know they'll be, not where they're going. Unfortunately, due to how easy the M79 is for new people to grasp ahold of, yes it's overused. However, it's a good weapon, and can be used very effectively by skilled players without being abused.

Personally, I think every weapon in the game is on the same level. How the person uses the weapon is what matters. Sure, you can be caught off-guard by a barret or a M79er, but that can happen with any weapon. If anything, dying to one-shot kills like that helps force you to be aware of your surroundings in-game, which in the fast-paced playstyle of Soldat is crucial.

Running and gunning can be fun, but it will cost you dearly. You have to apply logic and skill, and even though you might not like it, that is what people abusing the one-shots are inadvertantly making you do. The instant you start to realize what's needed of you to survive in the map, you can easily overcome them. You might die every now and then, that's bound to happen... but on average, you will do alot better.

I make it a point to use all the weapons in the game as often as I can, usually by weapon-cycling. Every weapon has an advantage, and a weakpoint, and can be countered by another weapon. The M79 and barret are no exceptions. You just have to learn what to do while you're playing... it's not just about beating that player, it's about figuring out how they use the weapon in order to beat their strategy, or lack thereof.

[iDante]

theres no such thing as a m79 sniper, they're just pussies who hide in tunnels and hard-to-reach places so that when you get close they shoot you

You'd be surprised, I've played some pretty hardcore m79ers that pwned me (aaargh the pain i felt).

I make it a point to use all the weapons in the game as often as I can, usually by weapon-cycling. Every weapon has an advantage, and a weakpoint, and can be countered by another weapon. The M79 and barret are no exceptions. You just have to learn what to do while you're playing... it's not just about beating that player, it's about figuring out how they use the weapon in order to beat their strategy, or lack thereof.

that is pretty... oh so pretty... that is pretty, and witty, and GAYYYY!!! lol by that I mean its good?

no really I agree.

[Bgretydews]

I have a suggestion for you, Play realistic mode, hardly anyone uses M79 or Barret there, and not much nadepamming going on there. Filter for realistic server.

[Outcast]

How can you judge after a day of playing? Offcourse the easiest weapon to kill noobs with is m79 because they run in a predictable and slow pattern, which makes them very very very very very VERY easy to kill. Usually if you're in a good deathmatch server you can't win with m79 if there are more than 4 people. Why? Because you can't kill fast enough to keep up with other weapons. You were banned and kicked off all the good servers because you were named major. M79 is probably generally the most usefull gun, but certainly not the best. Nades are kinda overpowered yes(BUT EVERYONE HAS THEM SO IT DOESN'T MATTER), but what you were witnessing was probably running into nades by noobs like yourself. You are no objective judge in a day.

[-Skykanden-]

im agree in someones in rakion the blacksmiths are rly overpowered but in soldat the explosives??

[thwiplash]

Nobody else is complaining about grenades because nobody else can be bothered to register on the forums and type out a big rant. Especially when they think that all the Soldat community consists of is grenade spammers and exploiters, but im not that lazy or that prejudice. I am more than definite that people play the game for a couple minuets and think "No way im playing that, grenade spammers", why would they post when they don't have to? I am posting because i hope i can make a difference but most likely this will be ignored by the official people at Soldat, but im always one to try.

okay, first off, i'd just like to say that you are ****ING whiny.
i've been playing soldat since 1.2

i NEVER had problems with nades/explosives, EVER. in fact, its fun to play against people who constantly play M79 only, cuz its range is pathetic, and you can dominate them.

i have to agree with people who say that you're *****ing cuz you suck.
also, why the hell don't you just leave a server if you're getting pwned so bad? there are TONS of severs out there. try playing some team games?
also, i find it surprising that anyone is *****ing about the m79, cuz its been nerfed SO bad since the earlier versions; i almost NEVER come across a server that has everyone using m79's.

and in response to your comment about people not being arsed to register and complain about the m79, i registered just to call you on your suckitude.


also, you CAN change your name, you don't have to pay to do that... you think everyone who plays soldat registered it?

[Noldi]

No skill? No problem! Use the m79!

[JohnCena]

I think that u can easily beat a guy with m79 no miracles in that! Take a barret for example you can pwn a guy wiht a m79 with a barrtet the guy shots at you u dodge and BAM hes dead! And btw you can change your name even if your not registred!

[X-Rayz]

I don't think he's reading this topic anymore people. However, while I'm here, I might as well overkill him as well.

Mate, you've only been playing for a couple of days. Of course your gonna get your ass kicked, your a new guy. And what makes you think people are going to listen to you? Your new, and look at all these posts disagreeing with you with reason. Everybody else plays fine with m79's. Take a chill pill.

And if you still can't get over the 'overuse', then don't play soldat.

PS. Go Australia. I can't remember the last time I was in a GameArena server and thought 'damn, there's a lot of m79's in here'.

[Napalmi]

I would never want to play with him.
A person that finds SO MANY "unfair" or "overpowered" weapons in so many games....I dont even want to think about the chatlog...

Why wont you go find some "underpowered" weapon and finally, leave the good ol' (and surely hated) m79 alone. Its in too high level for you to critisize, ffs its an EXPLOSIVES WEAPON! How you can make it not overpowered? To lower the dmg, it leaves you alive after 1 shot? Thats not really a m79. It is MEANT TO BE OVERPOWERED AND THATS WHY IT IS USED SO WIDELY.

[GrapeJelly]

Grenades and m79s aren't the problem. You just have to know how to deal with them.

Atleast the person has to be in the same screen as you. Seems like everytime I die it's from some supersonic instakill bullet from offscreen.

But, I say just quit bitchin overall. The weapons in this game are like paper rock scissors. Just pick the right one and whipe the tears.

[-Skykanden-]

No skill? No problem! Use the m79!

hahaha thast true!

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Ok so last night i downloaded Soldat and played it for a little while before going to bed, yeah its a great game the simplicity makes you think its going to be bad but it really is a good game. The next day i decide to play it a little more, join a server and instantly get banned. I thought yeah probably just a mistake so i try it again, still banned. I go on to try another server and the same things happens within 30 seconds of joining (Is it because im a major?) I mean COME ON how do you expect me to buy the game if i cant even test it out?

Oh, I don't know...play against bots?

When i finally get into a server i play it for a little while testing out the various weapons and controls. I start to realise that 99% of my deaths are from grenades or grenade launchers. Every time someone sees me its a grenade in my direction, you look up at the kill board all you see is the grenade launcher sign or the grenade sign, so ok maybe this was just a bad server, but no matter what game you play there is always something that spoils it, eg:

Someone tell me where these servers are! I really want to tear it up with the AK.  Believe me, they'll stop using the M79 as soon as they start getting beat.  That's what those sorts of players do.

I could go on for AGES, its not the fact that these things exist in these games its the fact that people EXPLOIT them to the full, why? I have no idea.

Maybe because the goal is to win?  When they use the M79 against people like you, they win?

The Explosives in Soldat (Everyone uses them, makes the other weapons useless)

Check out the weapon balance section.  In one of the plethora of M79 posts, you'll see people pointing out how to counter them and why the M79 isn't as overpowered as it my seem at first.  Once, I was like you.  Once, every person was like you.  "This gun can kill in one hit, so it must be too strong."  Not so.  The shot is easy to dodge, and gun takes forever to reload.  This isn't coming from an M79 fanboy; this is coming from a person who chooses not to use the M79 because they think there are better weapons out there.

Try doing varying your approach a little.  Not every problem can be solved by rushing at the enemy, guns blazing.  This is especially true against the M79.  Take some time, learn some strategy.  Come back in a few months and see if you still think the M79 is overpowered.