My take on Soldat

[StealthUk]

Ok so last night i downloaded Soldat and played it for a little while before going to bed, yeah its a great game the simplicity makes you think its going to be bad but it really is a good game. The next day i decide to play it a little more, join a server and instantly get banned. I thought yeah probably just a mistake so i try it again, still banned. I go on to try another server and the same things happens within 30 seconds of joining (Is it because im a major?) I mean COME ON how do you expect me to buy the game if i cant even test it out?

When i finally get into a server i play it for a little while testing out the various weapons and controls. I start to realise that 99% of my deaths are from grenades or grenade launchers. Every time someone sees me its a grenade in my direction, you look up at the kill board all you see is the grenade launcher sign or the grenade sign, so ok maybe this was just a bad server, but no matter what game you play there is always something that spoils it, eg:

The G36E in Battlefield 2 (Overpowered medic gun)
The Pistol in halo pc (Kills in 3 shots to the head where a clip of 60 assault rifle shots would struggle)
The MP44 in Call of Duty 2 (Overpowered German light support gun)
The Berserker's in Rome total war series (Almost impossible to combat with any unit)
The Voss L-AR in Battlefield 2142 (Overpowered medic gun)
The Pures in runescape (1 defense 99 strength / range / magic (Extremely overpowered)
The Glavie in Silkroad Online (No point in the bow or sword as the glavie will always be the strongest)
The Grenade launchers in the Project reality mod for Battlefield 2 (You just cant dodge it)
The Blacksmiths in Rakion (Overpowered)
The Head shots in css (One shot to the head with a pistol = dead, 5 to the heart = still alive)
The bunny hopping in quake 4 (Continues jumping, impossible to hit)

I could go on for AGES, its not the fact that these things exist in these games its the fact that people EXPLOIT them to the full, why? I have no idea.

The Explosives in Soldat (Everyone uses them, makes the other weapons useless)

My suggestion is: No explosives option for servers. Bans must require a reason.

If your looking at this and thinking "OMG HE IS TEH HATER OF SOLDAT, I MUST CHARGE TEH INSULT0R!11"
dont bother, this is a suggestion topic and whether you take it seriously or not is  up to you.

[The Red Guy]

Even making a "No Explosives option" for servers doesn't mean server admins will use i. Sure some will but most unlikey.

Now banning is the admin's choice. Its his server and he can do whatever he wants with it and you can't do anything cause its his server. If you encounter an abusive admin, please keep in mind that you have the option to use other servers at your discretion.

[Fluffy]

Hint: if it's an M79 user, don't charge like a fucking maniac.

[StealthUk]

Yeah only some will, but why? Do they enjoy dodging thousands of grenades? Sure some will but most unlikely. All im saying is as a suggestion the game would be better and would sell more if there was no explosives, because they dominate the map. At least put a limit on the amount there can be in the map, or make it that you cant spawn with one you have to find one thats placed in the middle of the map or something. I mean COME ON look at what its turning into, next time your in a game look at the kill board and think about it.

Date Posted: March 21, 2007, 06:38:10 AMWhat is more fun, POP, BOOM, BLOOD EVERYWHERE, I WIN. Or using a wide set of weapons so you never know what your going to come up against? Where is the fun in an unfair fight? Why do people continue to exploit GAMES i mean there GAMES, sure on single player its good to exploit because its fun! But when you do it in multi player games its just audaciously pathetic. To all those out there that use grenades more than 50% of the time i just want you to know that you spoil the game completely. Maybe you think its just a bit of harmless fun with grenades but say someone just wants to play the game legitimately eg: All weapons, but they cant because of you, they cant because its close to impossible to combat you and your dominating, childish unfair grenade launcher.

Date Posted: March 21, 2007, 06:42:57 AMAll this has added up to me deciding i will defiantly not buy Soldat, maybe the people at Soldat can learn from this and maybe in a while il try it again and see if its more balanced.

[The Red Guy]

Nobody esle seems to be complaining about grenades. Maybe you do cause you just started playing Soldat.

[StealthUk]

Nobody else is complaining about grenades because nobody else can be bothered to register on the forums and type out a big rant. Especially when they think that all the Soldat community consists of is grenade spammers and exploiters, but im not that lazy or that prejudice. I am more than definite that people play the game for a couple minuets and think "No way im playing that, grenade spammers", why would they post when they don't have to? I am posting because i hope i can make a difference but most likely this will be ignored by the official people at Soldat, but im always one to try.

[The Red Guy]

Well, a "No Explosives option" can't really help if you want this to be solved. Unless you've got a better suggestion.

[mxyzptlk]

The m79 coul just be made slower or less powerful.

[StealthUk]

At least put a limit on the amount there can be in the map, or make it that you cant spawn with one you have to find one thats placed in the middle of the map or something.

[Napalmi]

nice, long, really well point-making posts.
but
thats called "gun-whining". And why there so many people in these forums, and wont brag about it? because its pointless. Nades and explosives are always in thw war. thats the way it has been and it will be.
To avoid being killed by nades or m79 all the time, try hopping more, nades wont catch u on the ground, try fly-diving (useful) or other "stuff" like teh Dodge-move.
As you improve on playing, u learn to dodge them, of course no-ones ever perfect. but how come when i look at my killboard, i am killed usually by other guns (ruger ffs!).

learn to play. (as u are a beginner) learn to shoot, dodge , or at least, please dont whine about the things u cant do anything, it is annoying.
without explosives, soldat would be boring.

IMO

The m79 coul just be made slower or less powerful.

then it would be the real m79?

[The Red Guy]

Yes, everybody will find difficulty on new games they play.

[Sytrus]

You could aswell disable the M79 and set nade value to 0.


And some servers ban people that have their Name as "Major" automatically because they dont want newbs.

[StealthUk]

Nades and explosives are always in thw war. thats the way it has been and it will be.

No, what im saying is these guys are using them ALL the time. In war grenades are very expensive and are only ever used on rare occasions like if the enemy is entrenched or in a bunker, not when theres a lone infantry a couple feet in front of you.

To avoid being killed by nades or m79 all the time, try hopping more

I'm not going to bunny hop to combat grenade spammers.

[Sytrus]

play Trenchwar.

[Blue-ninja]

To avoid being killed by nades or m79 all the time, try hopping more

I'm not going to bunny hop to combat grenade spammers.

In a zombie server, I encountered a grenade spammer on our team. He kept throwing grenades down that hole where I am, although the zombies were long dead. I kept trying to jet up there, but he kept spamming grenades, cuz he was right on top of the grenade spawn place. I tell him to stop, he just keep spamming them, so..........I kicked him. lol.

[FliesLikeABrick]

regarding being banned:

Yes, it was because you were a Major.  Definitely change your name before trying to play online.  Some servers have the nickname "Major" registered, so you get kicked as soon as you join with the name.  Others have admins that kick or ban Majors as soon as they join.

Using the name "Major" is a sign of being new to the game, and most of the time people who are new to the game ruin the quality of gameplay in a server.

My suggestion is: No explosives option for servers. Bans must require a reason.

Even making a "No Explosives option" for servers doesn't mean server admins will use i. Sure some will but most unlikey.

Now banning is the admin's choice. Its his server and he can do whatever he wants with it and you can't do anything cause its his server. If you encounter an abusive admin, please keep in mind that you have the option to use other servers at your discretion.

Well, a "No Explosives option" can't really help if you want this to be solved. Unless you've got a better suggestion.

Alll servers can optionally disable/enable any weapon, as well as modify everything about the weapon.  The latter happens only in servers marked (WM). 

Take a look at some community servers, like !Elite.  They have servers with very fun weapon combinations enabled which makes the game very different than an explosive fragfest.

Most servers have a group of people who play there regularly, and the weapons they use determine how the server usually is.  You will find that certain servers (even ones with all weapons enabled at default values) have a certain gameplay style that will be there almost every time you're there.  Give Soldat a bit of time and you'll find the servers you enjoy the most

Lastly, if you're new to Soldat and are getting destroyed by explosives... you're likely spending far too much time on the ground.

edit: and I'm moving this to general discussions since there's no real suggestion in your post and this is a good GD thread. 

[StealthUk]

[Raithah]

Oooh, so you've discovered that M79s suck. Welcome to the crowd.

I'll give you a little history. Not to far back, about a year maybe, there was another version of Soldat. And in that version, the weapons were all changed around : the m79 wasn't a one-hit-kill, the autos didn't suffer recoil, etc. But in that case, your screenshot had an entirely different weapon sucking up the kills : the Barret. Yes, the sniper rifle.

See, back in the ye old days the sniper didn't have a startup. And it was faster.

And stronger.

So people started flaming the forums, 'B4RR3T IS DA SUCK', 'TKE IT OOT j00 IDIOTS', and so on. So, being great beta members, the beta members suggested that the Barret be 'binked'. And thus, no one uses it anymore. If you can read, you can start to see a pattern here.

Flash-foward to the present. People are complaining about how the 'M79 IS DA SUCK,' and 'TKE IT OOT j00 IDIOTS'. Yes, everyone hates the gun. Yes, you don't need any skill to use it.

Yes, you can just remove it from your own server and play with bots for all I care, but stop unloading your pent-up anger on these forums and stick to ruining the game for other Majors such as yourself.

[Aquarius]

the m79 wasn't a one-hit-kill

lie

everyone hates the gun

lie

you don't need any skill to use it

true... just like any other weapon in Soldat

STFU n00b

[waynechriss]

I could understand your complaints about M79s', but I probably will just leave out the grenades.

I'm not saying the M79 is for noobs, but if you are using it constantly, it shows you don't have skill with other weaponry. This doesn't pertain to those who use this here and there, this is for those who use this gun as their sole weapon of choice, due to the powerful damage it can cause.

The only reason I don't use it, because it's too easy. I can nail someone with it and kill them instantaneously. Even if I slightly miss, I can pull out my Soccom to finish the job quickly. But I don't use it.

The M79 isn't the best weapon. I admit iI got mowed down by more M79s than any other arsenal in the pack. But you just got to live with it.

Someone suggested to hop when someone has a M79, it works. If they miss, you have a good oppurtunity to spray shells at em.