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But you did imply it. I've said, quite often, that the easiest way to defeat the M79 is to dodge it, and you replied by saying you weren't looking for a veteran balance.
This isn't about finding a good veteran balance. Both sides' issues should be dealth with.
Ironically, it's the newbies who have a problem with the one hit kills. The experienced players don't worry about them, since they know how to counter.
Ever heard of a Zerg rush? It basically means instant death to people unaccustomed to it. (Kind of like the M79! Wow.) But apparently you know how to deal with it, since you claim that everything is balanced. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. Like the M79, it only works on newbies. And, like the M79, it's easily countered if you know what you're doing. What's that? A game can be balanced, even if newbies have trouble with some aspects of it? Crazy.
Quote from: Veritas on April 19, 2007, 12:00:42 pmQuoteLike the M79, it only works on newbies. What?The m79 is a viable weapon in alt routes on most maps, somewhat viable top in others, and useful anywhere in Nuubia.Yes, in some situations it's very useful. But most weapons are like that. My point was that it's the newbies who are killed consistently. If you know what you're doing, must weapons have a pretty good chance against the M79.
QuoteLike the M79, it only works on newbies. What?The m79 is a viable weapon in alt routes on most maps, somewhat viable top in others, and useful anywhere in Nuubia.
Like the M79, it only works on newbies.
Quote from: Veritas on April 19, 2007, 12:00:42 pmQuoteI joined a deathmatch where everyone was using the barret.I was coming from a CTF perspective, not a DM one.Maybe so, but the concept remains the same.
QuoteI joined a deathmatch where everyone was using the barret.I was coming from a CTF perspective, not a DM one.
I joined a deathmatch where everyone was using the barret.
The way you worded it implied that the m79 only works against newbies and that anyone who was remotely good could easily deal with an m79. This is hardly the case.
No, not really. If you have a crappy team, and the other team has, out of 6 people, 3-5 m79s, you're going to die a lot no matter the skill of the player. The AK takes enough time to kill one person that the next m79er has more than ample time to rush up and pop a shell in your face. This is assuming of course that you even have enough time to engage the enemy before you have 3 m79 shells coming at you.
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Who's more credible? The person who hasn't succeeded and concludes it's impossible, or the person who has succeeded and tells you it IS possible?
Quote from: {LAW} Gamer_2k4 on April 20, 2007, 01:17:44 pmWho's more credible? The person who hasn't succeeded and concludes it's impossible, or the person who has succeeded and tells you it IS possible?the latter.
I want to play you so I can use m79 and see how good you are at dodging. do you have xfire/aim?
Quote from: Veritas on April 19, 2007, 03:54:19 pmThe way you worded it implied that the m79 only works against newbies and that anyone who was remotely good could easily deal with an m79. This is hardly the case.That is the case, though. The only exception is when the M79 user is skilled with it; then again, isn't that the same with any weapon? However, very few people are truly skilled with the M79.
Quote from: Veritas on April 19, 2007, 03:54:19 pmNo, not really. If you have a crappy team, and the other team has, out of 6 people, 3-5 m79s, you're going to die a lot no matter the skill of the player. The AK takes enough time to kill one person that the next m79er has more than ample time to rush up and pop a shell in your face. This is assuming of course that you even have enough time to engage the enemy before you have 3 m79 shells coming at you.Sure, I won't deny that you'll have shells coming at you. The key is to not let them hit you. Do you think I'm making this up? Do you think I get killed all the time with the M79, but for whatever reason still maintain that you can dodge them? This is not hypothetical. I've never said, "Well, if you could dodge, the M79 would be pretty easy to counter. Too bad that's not possible." No. I know that it IS possible to avoid M79 shells, and what's more, there are many people who agree with me.
Sure its possible, but my point is that when you're going singlehandedly up against 2, 3, or more m79s, which is the situation I presented, you're probably going to get ran over no matter how excellent you are. Killing someone with the AK gives another opponent more than enough time to run at you to the point where you're not able to dodge.Obviously this won't be the case 100% of the time, but my end point is that overuse is whats annoying about the m79 in pubs, not that its extremely overpowered in pubs.
QuoteWho's more credible? The person who hasn't succeeded and concludes it's impossible, or the person who has succeeded and tells you it IS possible?Neither, when the two situations being described aren't analogous.
If you're going up against two or three opponents with ANY weapon, you're going to die. You're more likely to die against autos though, since there are many more shots to dodge. Oh, and guess what? After the three auto users kill you, they still have shots left. If you went up against three M79s and died, your team would suddenly have three enemies coming at them that can't fire. Easy kills. And of course, this gives more support to the idea that the M79 is underpowered. Sure, one on one, it may seem overpowered. But in a team game (you continue to bring up CTF), the M79 is at quite a disadvantage.
M79 and M82A1 are powerful&easy
I think the main issue with m79 is it's overuse in public servers.
So surely there has got to be something with the m79 that makes it more popular than the other guns and that must be some kind of balance error?
It's been discussed over the course of at least 25 pages.
Quote from: {LAW} Gamer_2k4 on April 22, 2007, 09:41:59 pmIt's been discussed over the course of at least 25 pages. Actually this particular topic is only 4 pages long so it is you that needs to follow the rule that you just made up.If you were referring to the other topic that is about 25 pages long then don't complain to me, ask the moderators to lock one of these topics or something so that we are forced to only post/read one topic.
I couldnt be bothered reading all 18 pages so i read the first and hears my opinion.
Furthermore, the reason i want a change to m79 isn't because "OMFGZ i got Pwnzored by them yesterday" (not true) but because i don't want new players to go on a public server and get killed very easily by other new players and then leave soldat. The weapons should be balanced so that new players can pick up any gun and kill other players with a similar amount of difficulty for each weapon.
I agree, and yet I disagree at the same time... While the M79 is easily enough outmanuvered, this is a topic about WEAPON balance, not Dodge/aim/tactics balance.