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Offline iDante

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1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« on: March 26, 2007, 05:03:19 pm »
Ok, there is a lot of controversy over what to do about the infamous 1-hit kill weapons. I am talking about the m79, berrett, and grenade. Please, before you post your "how to fix the m79/berrett/knife/nade" topic read this.
m79
The m79 is the 2nd most killing primary weapon on u13's ctf public server. Its pretty obvious why too, it is the only primary that fires an explosive projectile. The problem with this weapon, as most people see is that it is too easy to kill people who are in the near/mid range, and its true, a good m79'er can wipe out any opposition pretty clearly. Thats why you need to do this:

1. Pick a weapon that will beat the m79.
Pretty easy, right? When going against an m79'er what you DONT want to do is grab an mp5, spas, or other über close range gun. Go for a mid/far ranger, and preferably a 1-3 hit killer. My favorites are the ruger, berrett, and (less) deagles. Using an auto (ak, minimi, steyr) also works but it can be dangerous because you have to reveal yourself to the m79'er too much; you want to be able to kill him quickly.
2. Don't get close to him
Possibly one of the most important rules of the anti-m79, and it makes sense. Why let the m79 even get a shot off on you if you can just take him out before he can? This is why close range weapons are discouraged, the spas and mp5 will bring you too close to your enemy and allow him to have a better chance at that one fatal shot. Lets take a look at the world from the m79'ers POV. You have one shot, maybe two if you are lucky, so you are going to have to make one hit. What is the easiest way to insure a hit? Why its to get as close to the enemy as possible! And this is what they will do. And in 3 words, DONT LET THEM!!
3. Dodge it!
Very important!!! What happens when you somehow get stuck with a spas on arena2 against an m79? Or, what if you have been owning a person with mp5 and he switches to m79? Well, heres what you do. While maintaining  some distance (you dont need to be a screen away, close enough to be strong with mp5 but far enough away to make him cautious) you need to fire into him. Provoke him. Press alt-r or alt-b (assuming you haven't changed them :P), but most of all, be alert, be ready for the moment he fires do the biggest owniest backflip you can. Do it fast, because often you will wait till it is halfway to you and flip, then blow up due to lag. If you are too slow, or if he aims high, thats ok, pick a new weapon and try again. If not and he misses, the pounce on him. Don't let him run, pound him full of lead.

Some other things to look out for:
The best position to beat an m79'er is anywhere you can get a clear shot at him that isn't too close. I would say at a 45º angle to him and the floor, in the air. m79's are often nervous shooting into the air, because if they miss then there is no splash damage.
Speaking of splash damage, look out for it! If you are wounded from something else then watch out, a near miss (or even if its pretty far away) can kill you.
Don't commit to a close-combat fight before he has fired. I mean, don't just jump out at him with no hope of running away when he is loaded up. It is usually a good idea to wait until he has fired, dodge, then attack. Using berrett, law, ruger, anything like that you obviously dont need to do this but for all autos - do.

Berrett M82A1
Oh boy, heres a big one! The berrett is the god-weapon of soldat, and it shows. It is currently the #1 deadliest weapon on u13's ctf pub. It is the sniper rifle of soldat, and like all sniper rifles, it owns (hehe). While complaints against the berrett aren't nearly as common now that it has been nerfed a bit, they still exist, and the berrett still is a powerful force. Unlike the m79 though, the berrett is absolutely necessary for any large team of players. It is the last gun that the enemies see, or don't see, when your whole team has died. To avoid being berrett-food, just follow these guidelines:

1. Pick the gun and have some fun.
Use an auto. Unless you are really good at other guns, use an auto. The berretts biggest flaw is it's extrordinary bink, so take advantage of it. The moment you see a berrett put the dot on it and click. The most effective guns for this are the steyr and the minimi. If you are going pure berrett-killer use steyr, it fires fast (rate), its fairly accurate, and it fires them with speed. All you need to hit is one shot and you will have him (unless he is lucky), so pick the gun that will get that one shot on him.
2. Don't let him shoot you. You will die if he does.
Basically, don't fit the profile that berretts hit. Don't be standing still ever, don't fly up into the air, don't be in open places, and don't be anywhere they expect you to be. The last is most important, and it means that standing in a window is a bad idea, because that is where berretts will be looking for you.
3. Spray...
I hate to say it, I hate to support it, but if that camper is just owning you and you can't get him, spraying works. I won't write more here, spraying is pretty easy, but be careful, a lot of people don't like it. Do it too much and you might find your ingame karma go down (ingame karma?).

Some things to remember:
If he can't get a clear shot on you he won't fire. With most servers now having sniper-line disabled it is hard to judge where to put the dot when sniping. If only a half of a head is visible, many snipers will ignore you, going instead for the loser who is taking a piss.
Steyr works. It does. (I still like AK more though.)
Be careful with the sprays, not only is it annoying it can make the server lag if done too much and get you kicked.

Grenade
The grenade produces the 4th most kills of any weapon on u13's ctf pub, and it is obvious why. A foot-shot kills, and anywhere else damages. Another reason it is so popular is because everyone starts with some, and can pick them up as they play. The grenade is relatively easy to avoid though, just don't walk on them. Recently complaints have come in that the grenade is dominating all the other weapons, so I did some research. After spectating several games I noticed that over 80% of the nade kills were by auto users, and were used to finish off wounded enemies. Really they weren't one-hit-killers, just methods of finishing off their already-half-dead foes.

Some things to remember:
Its only a kill if its on the foot, so don't walk on it.
'nade-spamming, nade-spraying' etc are annoying but usually useless, just follow step 1.

Offline iDante

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2007, 05:10:42 pm »
#1 tip of Blue-ninja
Be the first to see and kill them. If they see you first, you're probably already dead. :P
Which is the reason why berretts do so well.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2007, 05:47:23 pm »
Barrett. They are not called "Berrett" they are called "Barret".

And I tell you, the best way is just moving a lot. If you move up and down alot, do backflips and mid-air prone, that stuff throws of one hit kills. I am a one-hit killer, that's why I know.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2007, 06:03:09 pm »
Yep, i like barett too
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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2007, 06:59:33 pm »
Barrett. They are not called "Berrett" they are called "Barret".
Not true. Its Barrett.
And I tell you, the best way is just moving a lot. If you move up and down alot, do backflips and mid-air prone, that stuff throws of one hit kills. I am a one-hit killer, that's why I know.
That helps. Quite a bit but a good sniper will pound you no matter how much you move.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2007, 09:02:55 pm by iDante »

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2007, 07:07:01 pm »
Not true. Its Berrett.
Ahem.

8. Barret M82A1
This sniper weapon has incredible power. It was designed to pierce tank armor. The Army didn't even plan to use it against people. But who cares?
Sniper mode available if you crouch or go prone.


Let me emphasize that for you.

8. Barret M82A1
This sniper weapon has incredible power. It was designed to pierce tank armor. The Army didn't even plan to use it against people. But who cares?
Sniper mode available if you crouch or go prone.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2007, 07:09:49 pm »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M82_Barrett_rifle
"The Barrett Firearms Company was founded by Ronnie Barrett"

their official homepage:
http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifle_82.aspx

ok, whadda ya think about the article?

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2007, 07:34:48 pm »
Quite an Essay.
I'm nothing short of impressed.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2007, 07:36:20 pm »
WHO GIVES A CRAP?! I don't! JESUS! All that over a tiny little word.

Anyway, I've got another tip for the barret (which is how I always spell it, and I don't really give a damn how it's spelt), which is Don't Run Away From It. I mean, like this.

You (now)                              You (before)                                 Barreter
-()         <---Running-----------()                                           ___ ()
 -|-======================-|-                                             |-|-
  /\                                         /\                                                /\

Equals=



 )-                                  |   (:))  | <Yay
(\/                                 |---|---|
-|                                       /\

If you run away from him like that, he doesn't need to change his aim, so he still gets you. If hes to the side, go up and down, if hes up and down, go side to side.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2007, 08:02:08 pm »
nice guide for new players. i like(but not a new player).
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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2007, 08:27:07 pm »
I've been having trouble with Barrett users lately in a few servers, so kudos definately for these tips. I'll be sure to try them out.
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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2007, 08:30:52 pm »
Actually, the mp5 is much better at anti-barreting, unless you've got good aim with the steyr and minimi... Mp5 hits it much easier due to the conical spray you get with it.
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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2007, 09:02:26 pm »
Actually, the mp5 is much better at anti-barreting, unless you've got good aim with the steyr and minimi... Mp5 hits it much easier due to the conical spray you get with it.
true but you dont get nearly the range, and the steyr has the advantage of bullet speed. mp5 can be good for smallerish maps but for most large maps I play steyr has had much more success with me.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2007, 10:06:24 pm »
u cannot dodge me!!! *pulls out barret*

I have mad skills, don't you?

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2007, 12:54:14 am »
1# hint for m79s...STAY THE FUCK AWAY

1# hint for barrets... SPRAY AND STAY THE FUCK AWAY

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2007, 04:03:21 am »
Nah, if you play long enough you'll work out your own style.
A fast run, backflip and a spas shot + a nade in the face leaves no m79ers alive =P works for me...
But those hints are perfect for beginners =) Big up

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2007, 05:21:14 am »
Of course a skilled sniper will throw you off even if you are moving, but it'll make work harder for him. Andyes, it is called "Barrett", MM has a typo in there.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2007, 08:51:05 am »
In my opinion barret is the best!
You want some come get some!

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2007, 04:57:04 pm »
In my opinion barret is the best!
Barrett is an extrememly useful gun, but I think that for overall playing AK, Steyr, or Ruger are the best (Mainly AK though). Of course thats just my opinion, and it will change due to map changes.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2007, 07:10:24 pm »
Ak rocks, of course. I find it the best for taking out snipers. Its more accurate than steyer, although the bullets drop more. I can always land that first shot to fuck up their bink. with steyr bullets go all over the place. Ak is predicatble. if your bink is low the bullets always hit the same spot. BTW, how is your guys spring break? Ive been partying hardcore like 4 days now.
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