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1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« on: March 26, 2007, 05:03:19 pm »
Ok, there is a lot of controversy over what to do about the infamous 1-hit kill weapons. I am talking about the m79, berrett, and grenade. Please, before you post your "how to fix the m79/berrett/knife/nade" topic read this.
m79
The m79 is the 2nd most killing primary weapon on u13's ctf public server. Its pretty obvious why too, it is the only primary that fires an explosive projectile. The problem with this weapon, as most people see is that it is too easy to kill people who are in the near/mid range, and its true, a good m79'er can wipe out any opposition pretty clearly. Thats why you need to do this:

1. Pick a weapon that will beat the m79.
Pretty easy, right? When going against an m79'er what you DONT want to do is grab an mp5, spas, or other über close range gun. Go for a mid/far ranger, and preferably a 1-3 hit killer. My favorites are the ruger, berrett, and (less) deagles. Using an auto (ak, minimi, steyr) also works but it can be dangerous because you have to reveal yourself to the m79'er too much; you want to be able to kill him quickly.
2. Don't get close to him
Possibly one of the most important rules of the anti-m79, and it makes sense. Why let the m79 even get a shot off on you if you can just take him out before he can? This is why close range weapons are discouraged, the spas and mp5 will bring you too close to your enemy and allow him to have a better chance at that one fatal shot. Lets take a look at the world from the m79'ers POV. You have one shot, maybe two if you are lucky, so you are going to have to make one hit. What is the easiest way to insure a hit? Why its to get as close to the enemy as possible! And this is what they will do. And in 3 words, DONT LET THEM!!
3. Dodge it!
Very important!!! What happens when you somehow get stuck with a spas on arena2 against an m79? Or, what if you have been owning a person with mp5 and he switches to m79? Well, heres what you do. While maintaining  some distance (you dont need to be a screen away, close enough to be strong with mp5 but far enough away to make him cautious) you need to fire into him. Provoke him. Press alt-r or alt-b (assuming you haven't changed them :P), but most of all, be alert, be ready for the moment he fires do the biggest owniest backflip you can. Do it fast, because often you will wait till it is halfway to you and flip, then blow up due to lag. If you are too slow, or if he aims high, thats ok, pick a new weapon and try again. If not and he misses, the pounce on him. Don't let him run, pound him full of lead.

Some other things to look out for:
The best position to beat an m79'er is anywhere you can get a clear shot at him that isn't too close. I would say at a 45º angle to him and the floor, in the air. m79's are often nervous shooting into the air, because if they miss then there is no splash damage.
Speaking of splash damage, look out for it! If you are wounded from something else then watch out, a near miss (or even if its pretty far away) can kill you.
Don't commit to a close-combat fight before he has fired. I mean, don't just jump out at him with no hope of running away when he is loaded up. It is usually a good idea to wait until he has fired, dodge, then attack. Using berrett, law, ruger, anything like that you obviously dont need to do this but for all autos - do.

Berrett M82A1
Oh boy, heres a big one! The berrett is the god-weapon of soldat, and it shows. It is currently the #1 deadliest weapon on u13's ctf pub. It is the sniper rifle of soldat, and like all sniper rifles, it owns (hehe). While complaints against the berrett aren't nearly as common now that it has been nerfed a bit, they still exist, and the berrett still is a powerful force. Unlike the m79 though, the berrett is absolutely necessary for any large team of players. It is the last gun that the enemies see, or don't see, when your whole team has died. To avoid being berrett-food, just follow these guidelines:

1. Pick the gun and have some fun.
Use an auto. Unless you are really good at other guns, use an auto. The berretts biggest flaw is it's extrordinary bink, so take advantage of it. The moment you see a berrett put the dot on it and click. The most effective guns for this are the steyr and the minimi. If you are going pure berrett-killer use steyr, it fires fast (rate), its fairly accurate, and it fires them with speed. All you need to hit is one shot and you will have him (unless he is lucky), so pick the gun that will get that one shot on him.
2. Don't let him shoot you. You will die if he does.
Basically, don't fit the profile that berretts hit. Don't be standing still ever, don't fly up into the air, don't be in open places, and don't be anywhere they expect you to be. The last is most important, and it means that standing in a window is a bad idea, because that is where berretts will be looking for you.
3. Spray...
I hate to say it, I hate to support it, but if that camper is just owning you and you can't get him, spraying works. I won't write more here, spraying is pretty easy, but be careful, a lot of people don't like it. Do it too much and you might find your ingame karma go down (ingame karma?).

Some things to remember:
If he can't get a clear shot on you he won't fire. With most servers now having sniper-line disabled it is hard to judge where to put the dot when sniping. If only a half of a head is visible, many snipers will ignore you, going instead for the loser who is taking a piss.
Steyr works. It does. (I still like AK more though.)
Be careful with the sprays, not only is it annoying it can make the server lag if done too much and get you kicked.

Grenade
The grenade produces the 4th most kills of any weapon on u13's ctf pub, and it is obvious why. A foot-shot kills, and anywhere else damages. Another reason it is so popular is because everyone starts with some, and can pick them up as they play. The grenade is relatively easy to avoid though, just don't walk on them. Recently complaints have come in that the grenade is dominating all the other weapons, so I did some research. After spectating several games I noticed that over 80% of the nade kills were by auto users, and were used to finish off wounded enemies. Really they weren't one-hit-killers, just methods of finishing off their already-half-dead foes.

Some things to remember:
Its only a kill if its on the foot, so don't walk on it.
'nade-spamming, nade-spraying' etc are annoying but usually useless, just follow step 1.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2007, 05:10:42 pm »
#1 tip of Blue-ninja
Be the first to see and kill them. If they see you first, you're probably already dead. :P
Which is the reason why berretts do so well.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2007, 05:47:23 pm »
Barrett. They are not called "Berrett" they are called "Barret".

And I tell you, the best way is just moving a lot. If you move up and down alot, do backflips and mid-air prone, that stuff throws of one hit kills. I am a one-hit killer, that's why I know.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2007, 06:03:09 pm »
Yep, i like barett too
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2007, 06:59:33 pm »
Barrett. They are not called "Berrett" they are called "Barret".
Not true. Its Barrett.
And I tell you, the best way is just moving a lot. If you move up and down alot, do backflips and mid-air prone, that stuff throws of one hit kills. I am a one-hit killer, that's why I know.
That helps. Quite a bit but a good sniper will pound you no matter how much you move.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2007, 09:02:55 pm by iDante »

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2007, 07:07:01 pm »
Not true. Its Berrett.
Ahem.

8. Barret M82A1
This sniper weapon has incredible power. It was designed to pierce tank armor. The Army didn't even plan to use it against people. But who cares?
Sniper mode available if you crouch or go prone.


Let me emphasize that for you.

8. Barret M82A1
This sniper weapon has incredible power. It was designed to pierce tank armor. The Army didn't even plan to use it against people. But who cares?
Sniper mode available if you crouch or go prone.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2007, 07:09:49 pm »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M82_Barrett_rifle
"The Barrett Firearms Company was founded by Ronnie Barrett"

their official homepage:
http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifle_82.aspx

ok, whadda ya think about the article?

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2007, 07:34:48 pm »
Quite an Essay.
I'm nothing short of impressed.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2007, 07:36:20 pm »
WHO GIVES A CRAP?! I don't! JESUS! All that over a tiny little word.

Anyway, I've got another tip for the barret (which is how I always spell it, and I don't really give a damn how it's spelt), which is Don't Run Away From It. I mean, like this.

You (now)                              You (before)                                 Barreter
-()         <---Running-----------()                                           ___ ()
 -|-======================-|-                                             |-|-
  /\                                         /\                                                /\

Equals=



 )-                                  |   (:))  | <Yay
(\/                                 |---|---|
-|                                       /\

If you run away from him like that, he doesn't need to change his aim, so he still gets you. If hes to the side, go up and down, if hes up and down, go side to side.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2007, 08:02:08 pm »
nice guide for new players. i like(but not a new player).
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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2007, 08:27:07 pm »
I've been having trouble with Barrett users lately in a few servers, so kudos definately for these tips. I'll be sure to try them out.
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2007, 08:30:52 pm »
Actually, the mp5 is much better at anti-barreting, unless you've got good aim with the steyr and minimi... Mp5 hits it much easier due to the conical spray you get with it.
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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2007, 09:02:26 pm »
Actually, the mp5 is much better at anti-barreting, unless you've got good aim with the steyr and minimi... Mp5 hits it much easier due to the conical spray you get with it.
true but you dont get nearly the range, and the steyr has the advantage of bullet speed. mp5 can be good for smallerish maps but for most large maps I play steyr has had much more success with me.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2007, 10:06:24 pm »
u cannot dodge me!!! *pulls out barret*

I have mad skills, don't you?

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2007, 12:54:14 am »
1# hint for m79s...STAY THE FUCK AWAY

1# hint for barrets... SPRAY AND STAY THE FUCK AWAY

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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2007, 04:03:21 am »
Nah, if you play long enough you'll work out your own style.
A fast run, backflip and a spas shot + a nade in the face leaves no m79ers alive =P works for me...
But those hints are perfect for beginners =) Big up

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2007, 05:21:14 am »
Of course a skilled sniper will throw you off even if you are moving, but it'll make work harder for him. Andyes, it is called "Barrett", MM has a typo in there.

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2007, 08:51:05 am »
In my opinion barret is the best!
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2007, 04:57:04 pm »
In my opinion barret is the best!
Barrett is an extrememly useful gun, but I think that for overall playing AK, Steyr, or Ruger are the best (Mainly AK though). Of course thats just my opinion, and it will change due to map changes.

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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2007, 07:10:24 pm »
Ak rocks, of course. I find it the best for taking out snipers. Its more accurate than steyer, although the bullets drop more. I can always land that first shot to fuck up their bink. with steyr bullets go all over the place. Ak is predicatble. if your bink is low the bullets always hit the same spot. BTW, how is your guys spring break? Ive been partying hardcore like 4 days now.
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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2007, 07:46:15 pm »
Ak rocks, of course. I find it the best for taking out snipers. Its more accurate than steyer, although the bullets drop more. I can always land that first shot to **** up their bink. with steyr bullets go all over the place.
I use AK for most things but steyr for this just because of the high firerate, you have a better chance at getting that one binking shot in with 3 (slightly) spread bullets than 2 accurate ones.

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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2007, 04:05:57 am »
I find that the Steyr's faster rate of fire and the amount of shots that can hit in a well timed burst are good for having the Snipers on their toes and missing shots. Although sometimes I forget that when too close, a gun that is designed for anti-vehicle destruction, can rip your entire body apart at close range, regardless of what you may be pumping into them.

Also, the scope advantage is troublesome as you only know where they are.. after a round has been offed into your skull. Nevertheless, my deaths due to the Barrett have gone down a bit, and I thank the contributors here.
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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2007, 04:25:04 am »
Ak rocks, of course. I find it the best for taking out snipers. Its more accurate than steyer, although the bullets drop more. I can always land that first shot to **** up their bink. with steyr bullets go all over the place.
I use AK for most things but steyr for this just because of the high firerate, you have a better chance at getting that one binking shot in with 3 (slightly) spread bullets than 2 accurate ones.
What I dont like about the Aug, is the fact that the first shot won't fly in the same direction like the following shots :/
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2007, 07:34:39 am »
The barrett rips your body apart at any range, at super close range bink is practically meaningless.



Another way to avoid the onehitwonders is to make your movements erratic. If you move in a predictable path, it makes the enemy's job a whole lot easier. Try to stop abrutply and do a backflip or jet once in a while to change your direction.

The second step is being smart about when you see one of these oneshots. When you see a m79 the best thing to do is to gain height on it, where it's hard to hit you, and the shell is easier to avoid.

With the barrett, try to get either directly underneath or above the player, as this position presents the hardest shot for the barretter, due to the movement and the smaller profile presented by being vertically parallel.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2007, 07:50:56 am by Zamorak »
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2007, 08:44:20 am »
A few comments on going against the barret  and how to exploit the terrain to your advantage

Against a lousy barret, spraying and dodging is a good approach

Against a moderate barret, spraying and dodging will get an effect, but the effect usually varies between vicious attack from range, sudden running away and the absolutely stupid approach of head on rush.

Against a great barret, spraying and dodging will get you killed, unless you do it from behind or at pointblank range with great haste.

Against a master barret, spraying and dodging gets you killed, since he most likely can predict your movement and at this level of skill pressing the change weapons button when a bullet comes into sight is routine, find safety in numbers (and danger in him having time to pickup a primary for his secondary slot.)

And a little more comments on the terrain:
The best terrain for a barret is moderately even terrain with perhaps a slight downhill. Since the terrain is so even, the chances of one being a soldats range from ground are high, and thus it's easier to get killed. Best approach against the barret here is another barret and a few potshots at the general direction. Unless you can't hit him, in which case you should just give up and try to go around the spot.

The second best place for the barret is an uphill position on the highest lane, since no one can get you from above without some extreme craftiness. Against the barret we have the good old meat shield approach, which gives you a moment to rush up the hill and finish him off.

Worst place for a barret is downhill. The bullets loose most of their fatality and everything that rains down hurts a lot. Best approach here is to wait for him to shoot from down there and then send a gesture with some nades and a few bullets.

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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2007, 10:51:31 am »
I am pleased with the presentation of this guide. I would present a guide of my own but the strategy would seem ludicrous to many. I am surprised that I even get away with it.

When a sniper appears to be a problem, it is advisable to be clear of what you are trying to accomplish upon approach. Mainly in CTF, if you have some idea as to where the sniper is posted then place god and everything else in between you, or for better words, make sure that you place either collision points or solid ground between you and his or her line of fire; this is one of the first things I keep in mind if possible. Secondly, if you feel yourself going into an opening exposing yourself, make sure to change the rate of your movement as soon as you feel that you are open, providing that you are grounded. If you are air born and feel that you have suddenly exposed yourself, providing weather you have jumped or you are descending, you could be in trouble in two cases. With a sniper baring a lousy aim, it's best to switch up your movement on the fly on the moment of exposure since a lot of Barrett users fire at the "Whites of their eyes" so to say. While a fairly skilled Barrett user may take the shot with anticipation of where you are to slow down in mid-air or on the ground, or may have a better chance of catching you upon exposure, hence, bluff. Hopefully you get the idea.

Now, skipping some portion of this that I forgot in the midst of writing this, the objective is to force the sniper's hand. Surely rushing the Barrett user is about as advisable as rushing a m79 user running, but if you play your cards right, that narrow gap of a second between when you evade his or her fire and when they actually take the shot at where you were matters. Assuming by how my rushing tactic has worked, make sure that your hits are, as advised by the guide, 1-3 hit kills.

I might not have explained this in the best manner but I'll give you an example of how I tend to snipers effectively:

Aware of what direction the sniper is in, providing that his position has been disclosed by either the direction a missed shot originates from or by a careful eye, I would purposely place myself in an open area with haste of course. While doing this it's difficult to dodge so I rely on the possibility of a missed shot, if not for my dodging saving me. I may catch a groove or a collision point to duck behind as the shot whizzes by. If I can, I would toss a grenade where the shooter is located, forcing them to move to make their shot a bit more difficult. If you can estimate how long it takes for the Barrett to be ready for another fire, take advantage of that time slot. I would often carry an m79 (knowing that I would be initially out of range to close in) and with me and the sniper firing at relatively the same time, I often measure the Barrett's bink by that if I am planning to fire another shot since the m79 is ready slightly faster than the Barrett. Maybe to expedite the process, providing that I can, we're grounded and that I am within range, I would deploy a nade to near him. Even if it doesn't hit him, by the time my m79 loads, I could use it to extend the range of the explosion from an m79, providing that I fire in time.

Basically, once you've defeated the obstacle of long range and gotten an idea as to how long the bink is (providing that they are too stubborn to switch weapons), it is up to you how you deliver damage within the time that it reloads.

But as a word of caution, I would assume that any user who is use to the difficulty of that long loading would come prepared with a secondary weapon capable of supporting them in a time when their reloading time is an issue like the basic socom, Law or a primary weapon they previously traded their secondary for. So note that the second it takes to switch in between weapons also makes a difference. Also watch out for those with two Barrett's. They can be distinguished by the second Barrett sticking high out of their back, also making them quite a threat.

Hopefully this helped in some sense.
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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2007, 09:00:36 pm »
I'm assuming you are attempting a one on one against a Barret, if not then here's a tip: Lets everyone else past you and follow a safe distance behind, the "bait" attracts the fire of most of the barrette's and quite frequently I see them sit there waiting for their gun to reload instead of retreating, often as they expect the first wave is everyone...Prove them wrong and gun them down as they flee (unless they have soccoms, then keep your distance). This is hoping that those opponents that didn't pick the Barret were mostly wiped out in the first attack, burst fire with that steyr!
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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2007, 12:10:26 am »
Hopefully this helped in some sense.
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I wrote the section on barrett with [eC] Trenchwars in mind, because in TW there is only one route, so a good barrett can hold out for however long his ammo lasts (I found this out the hard way), and to put it simple, rushing doesn't work against a good sniper in TW.
I'm assuming you are attempting a one on one against a Barret, if not then here's a tip: Lets everyone else past you and follow a safe distance behind, the "bait" attracts the fire of most of the barrette's and quite frequently I see them sit there waiting for their gun to reload instead of retreating, often as they expect the first wave is everyone...
coward... but hey, it works, but what happens when you have 4 barretts?

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Re: 1-Hit-Killers, how not to become their victim.
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2007, 01:12:17 am »
If you don't have an anywhere to hide while facing a Barretter, worm (continuously prone and unprone in mid air) like crazy whilst binking him with an auto, maybe toss a few nades, and he's dead.

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« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2007, 06:40:23 am »
Sweet. And thanks for the add. The statement you provided also helped me re-evaluate what I placed here in a thought, not to rethink my strategy all together but to recall what I tend to do in case there is a sniper who's aim is nearly impossible to evade.

On a statement of good barret users: If you find a homebody, regarding someone who camps at their base awaiting an opponent's approach, who picks a certain place to take post and you believe has been there at least twice upon your arrival then I would suggest that you approach from a point that will allow coverage until you believe that you are exposed to his line of sight and within one screens sight of the sniper. The only thing about this approach is that if he or she is looking behind places where they know they cannot snipe as well then at best I can say, prepare yourself and fight with the expectation to get hit. There's less disappointment if you do for one (don't confuse for discouragement) and another thing, its not always like someone to rush in the line of fire. This is a suggestion.

Another suggestion, if you're on my team, find me because I purposely act as a human shield placing myself between the sniper and my flag carrier. XD Unless it is a headshot, it won't hit you if it hits me first. XD Playing on that point but seriously good snipers are more difficult to deal with. Sometimes it does take another barret to gain a sense of self-assured security against one.
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