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Team Weapons
« on: April 17, 2007, 09:39:02 am »
Ok, this is rather longwinded so bear with me   :D

Most modders (and mod players) will know that there are two sets Gostek Characters for two teams. Meaning that a modder could edit them to give a diferent appearance for each team.

(For example, the Warhammer 40,000 mod can feature Tau soliders against Imperial Guard using two different Gosteks)

What i would like to suggest is that the same be applied to Weapons and even SfX.
Doing this simple change would open the door to modding capabillities. We would then have players using weapons that are exclusive to their team. (Unless the opposition nicks it off you!)

To sum up, a simple and subtle re-arrangement of files would have a massive effect on the modding community!
Please post your thoughts on the idea.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2007, 09:48:09 am »
Yes. That would be great but one think - different .ini files for teams.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2007, 10:37:44 am »
yeah if that will be aplied will be more funny! like in CS

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2007, 01:03:47 pm »
I support this

Reasons:

IT would give more things to modders

It would be fun to play like : Barretts vs Rugers Ak vs steyr aug

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2007, 03:19:13 pm »
Or better: Standard set VS BattleField

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2007, 03:30:07 pm »
Aye! I support this!

It would make WW2 (and other multi-faction) mods make more sence. :D

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2007, 09:54:48 pm »
The weapons-per-team option has already been posted, and the per team one is already possible...

But I still support. Just as SDFilm said, faction mods would work well. Who wants to see the Germans using an M1 Thompson? Not me. Plus, they didn't even have any .45 ACP weapons that I know of.

Think about this: Barrets/Rugers vs. Chainsaws and Knives! Snipers vs. Close Quarters!
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2007, 05:36:44 am »
As a modder, i belive it would be a great idea because then i can improve my Warhamjmer 40,000 mod to accomodate a scenario to Imperial Guard (Using Imperial Weapons) against the Tau (Using Tau weapons)

Obviously if you killed somebody from the opposite team you could nick his gun. But appart from that all guns a exclusive to your teams.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2007, 08:12:38 pm »
Naturally, I support this. It's been brought up before, and it's quite a good suggestion.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2007, 09:34:07 pm »
Well, the way you suggested it, no way. Limiting certain weapons to a certian team would be annoying to say the least (for example, people stacking to get their favorite weapon, or even worse, having a weapon better suited for the map confined to a single team).

However, having different weapons.ini for the teams makes more sense and would actually be a good idea. About the appearance, well, having a team2 weapons-gfx file would rock.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2007, 09:38:38 pm »
Well, the way you suggested it, no way. Limiting certain weapons to a certian team would be annoying to say the least (for example, people stacking to get their favorite weapon, or even worse, having a weapon better suited for the map confined to a single team).

However, having different weapons.ini for the teams makes more sense and would actually be a good idea. About the appearance, well, having a team2 weapons-gfx file would rock.

He didn't say he wanted weapons limited per team, he said he wanted different weapons.inis and graphics per team, which is, uh, basically what you said.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2007, 12:37:50 pm »
Oh.

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Well, that's what I get for assuming that this thread was exactly the same as the 5 other times it's been suggested, and skipping the actual text.


*EDIT* Yeah, THIS is what I was saying was a b.s. idea:

It would be fun to play like : Barretts vs Rugers Ak vs steyr aug


For reasons stated in my first post.

And the added fact that it adds no real elements to Soldat, it's just another so called 'realistic' suggestion.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2007, 03:42:29 pm »
Well, it's been supported before and it'll be supported again.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2007, 05:16:00 pm »
Steyr's and Barret's VS AK's and M79's!

Or Degales, Steyr's, Minimi's and Minigun's VS HK MP5's, AK's, Ruger's and Law's!

Oh god... The combo's are endless!!!!
There could be NSA VS M16 Set and the Terrorism Set and ....

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2007, 06:51:08 pm »
I've always supported this. It would be a good bonus to soldat, it would actually feel like two different races of ppl or beings clashing.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2007, 01:53:35 am »
Great idea, I have to support.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2007, 05:41:09 am »
I support the idea - with separate weapon.ini files of course.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2007, 07:33:38 am »
I support the idea - with separate weapon.ini files of course.
Of course. It's ideas like THIS
Steyr's and Barret's VS AK's and M79's!...
that would kill Soldat.

*EDIT* Okay, no, not KILL Soldat, merely the servers it was implemented on.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2007, 09:14:30 am »
rofl that could be fun, autos versus all others!

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2007, 09:18:27 am »
that will be funny, if that will be added there can do:
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2007, 09:22:06 am »
if this is added I hope there is a way to force predator onto a person with a script cause then you can have one person as red team with predator and knife only and thee rest on blue. When they kill him they somehow switch to red and keep their same score.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2007, 08:35:20 pm »
But preds too easy to see.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2007, 11:23:35 am »
Well lol! im glad to see i have support!

However some of you have the wrong end of the stick lol! Im not suggesting scenarios where one team gets Aks and the other gets Steyr-augs.

If you look through the soldat gfx files you will notice that the Gostek graphics have 2 seperate files for both teams.
I want the same principle to be applied to weapon gfx and sfx. When playing soldat, this will have no difference, but to modders it would allow us to change the appearances, allowing team guns.

For example ww2 Germans against allies. Team alpha is modded to wear German Gosteks and German guns only.
While allies wear allied Gosteks and allied guns! Simple!

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2007, 01:09:54 pm »
Also need team sounds.

Hey presto! Soldat is now 40 megs!

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2007, 03:53:30 pm »
Ah yes that is a good point!

In doubling the weapon-gfx files, we would also have to have seperate sfx files.

Its a good point, but really, as time and technology goes in im sure my computer could handle some extra files. If not in the next update it should be at least considered for future updates.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2007, 04:17:19 pm »
Oh how I hate those file size discussions. There are so little 56k users and the ones that use it could download it because of the cheap prices. And I don't think that it wouldnt fit into a normal hard drive nowadays

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2007, 04:19:29 pm »
Also need team sounds.

Hey presto! Soldat is now 40 megs!
It would be mainly a mod function, not vanilla version one. Mods like WWII TC have weapon sets for every nation. Vanilla Soldat doesn't and I doubt it'll ever have.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2007, 07:12:01 am »
But think of the modding possibilities! It would be brilliant!

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2007, 08:02:18 am »
Don't worry about Soldat size ;)

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2007, 01:10:30 pm »
LOL!

Anyway, I'd love for this to be implemented.

However, I'd like it more if there were an option in the menu, where you could decide which team has which weapons. That'd make it a bit easier.

Military SEALs Mission: Team one, Navy SEAL gosteks, MP5's and knives. Team two, Terrorist gosteks,  AK-74's and no sidearms. The Terrorists must outnumber the SEALs, and the map has to be an invasion of a building, like Zombie House, and realistic is on. And INF.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2007, 01:17:16 pm »
or like in Deadeye Rob warhammer mod, (alpha) Tau, (Bravo) Necrons
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but that need to say MM if he want to put it, or that will be big

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2007, 11:10:57 pm »
I suggested this a long time ago. I still stand behind it. MM wouldnt really have to do anything but code it in  to read a second folder, much like the Team2 folder... in fact, why not make it that? Weapons-gfx/team2 might work. :D and Weapons2.ini might work too.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2007, 08:28:51 am »
And maybe it could be coded in a way that, if the steyrauf-fire2.wav sound wasnt there, Soldat'd automaticly use the default sound.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2007, 10:31:24 am »
I suggested this a long time ago. I still stand behind it. MM wouldnt really have to do anything but code it in  to read a second folder, much like the Team2 folder... in fact, why not make it that? Weapons-gfx/team2 might work. :D and Weapons2.ini might work too.

Exacly like in gosteks! im agree with you!
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   That with the team weapons will be a really good game

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2007, 03:58:03 pm »
Ehm, That can already be done- Clan war mode... Just join  one team as pink, then the other as yellow... how? Pink shirt, yellow pants... It switched the colors on me once when I was in a server with that setting... :o
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2007, 09:42:28 pm »
It would be a good addition to the game.  Maybe red team would be the "terrorists" (which they usually are in infiltration), as them getting Ak-74's and such.  Then the blue team having Snipers, AUG's and such.  Swatlike weapons.

New weapons would be nice to be implemented for each team.  For example, blue team's sniper would fire 2X as fast, but not enough damage to kill in one shot.  Another example would be a stronger mp5, but with less ammo and a greater reload rate.

Things like this could be changed in game options, "team weapons mode"

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2007, 06:06:13 am »
Ehm, That can already be done- Clan war mode... Just join  one team as pink, then the other as yellow... how? Pink shirt, yellow pants... It switched the colors on me once when I was in a server with that setting... :o

no, clan war mode takes the colours of a player of the server, not your colors.

And with the team weapons soldat will be more funny than now!!! but that will decide MM

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2007, 02:51:38 pm »
Support!

This idea is Great! then i can use like Starship Trooper Weapons for Bravo and like Necron weapons for Alpha!

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2007, 03:10:28 am »
Wow! i diddnt know that the Starship troopers mod was still going! lol! I was gonna re-do that mod!

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2007, 02:31:41 pm »
i think it would be cool and a good idea cause it makes sence different erm... armies or whatever using diferent weapons to each other :)

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2007, 06:26:28 pm »
nice idea,
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each teams would have different weapons(interface-gfx and sfx), but the WM would be equal for both the teamses. similar to game DDAY normandy (www.dday.com.br)

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2007, 05:15:47 am »
wow. i love this idea. finaly it means useing things like the 40K mod withour finding gaurds men running around with gause flayers and alike. it would make it more varied and add another strategic element to the game (as well as another reason to take the dead guys weapons).
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2007, 10:00:46 pm »
i definitely support. however it seems as tho a lotta of the people misunderstand and think that each team will be given different weapons when both teams are only giving different weaponskins.

but yea for the warhammer 40k mod this will be tight as orgasm
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2007, 05:45:25 am »
Yeah i will support this ( only being here for 2 days! )

I downloaded the 40k mod recently. I guess the same applies to other mods but yes it would be nice to see uniformed weapons.
Am i right in saying that if you play soldat with no mod it wont change anything?
It just leaves it open for modders to play around some more?

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2007, 06:27:17 am »
Yep thats right.

To a normal soldat player it would not affect anything. But a modder can take the weapon gfx and change them as we change gostek gfx. one set of guns for one team. another set for the other.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2007, 05:15:05 am »
yeah, this is a great idea.. i wish the chances of it being implemented were greater.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2007, 08:23:44 am »
It would be a good addition to the game.  Maybe red team would be the "terrorists" (which they usually are in infiltration), as them getting Ak-74's and such.  Then the blue team having Snipers, AUG's and such.  Swatlike weapons.

New weapons would be nice to be implemented for each team.  For example, blue team's sniper would fire 2X as fast, but not enough damage to kill in one shot.  Another example would be a stronger mp5, but with less ammo and a greater reload rate.

Things like this could be changed in game options, "team weapons mode"
I like the option idea, but the weapons you suggested already exist. One not in this game, of course.

The Ruger fires twice as fast (just without a scope) as the Barrett, but kills in two shots.

And you'd be switching out your 9mm standard MP5 for a .45 ACP one. More powerful round, but it takes up more space. Therefore ten rounds less of ammo.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2007, 10:52:36 am »
Ah you see that 'would' complicate things.

All i want to do is to be able to modify Only one teams weapons-gfx and sfx. Not their capablilites.

In my eye (excuse the bad pun!) i want the guns gfx to be changed but in reality their are identical to their opponents.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2007, 04:23:27 pm »
awesome idea! I really think that this should be implemented! however I beilieve that the different teams weapons should have different stats, it'd also be cool if you could edit the health and maybye even speed and other stats of different teams, this would be cool as hell, especially for mods, like 40k tau could have low health but all their guns would be rather 1337, orks could be tough and semi fast , but al their guns are shit, also maybye if you could change the number of troops alowed on each team it'd be cool, that way one side could be like a small elite squad while the other is a swarming horde of cannon fodder.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2007, 12:59:04 pm »
This shouldn't be added as it may unbalance game-play.

Seperate weapon sets for each team, yes.  Seperate weapons.ini file, no.  Now, just imagine if you could have different weapon and character graphics for all four teams...
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2007, 01:14:44 pm »
I'm not a modder myself, though I'm getting into it, it would still be fun to mess around with and would open alot of doors to modders and mods could be more fun. You have my support!
 
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2007, 02:46:00 pm »
It has been suggested before.  Other players find that it is an unnecessary option.

Only someone who never made any mod can think that's unnecessary. It would give the moders abilities to make mods better then ever. I think that .ini file for each teams should be added too, without different .inis it has no sense. I think that lot of servers would use "old system" but some would work with mods (eg. fast shooting weapons makes small damage vs "heavy" slow shooting weapons makes big damage)

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2007, 05:15:54 pm »
I second that. Separate .Ini files for different teams would be very very useful for my mod.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2007, 05:36:22 pm »
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2007, 04:41:43 am »
It has been suggested before.  Other players find that it is an unnecessary option.

What else is unnecessary would be gostecks, weapon skins and map scenery since soldat would be just as playable being a couple of sticks jumping around on boring polygons and shooting each other. The fact that we have all these eye candy is to make the gameplay more enjoyable and creative.

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Also you can just have everything on default, so it wouldn't effect the 'other' players that dont like this option. Hence why this is beneficial for modders.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2007, 04:43:35 am »
Total support! I would love to see two completely different teams.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2007, 05:25:01 am »
It has been suggested before.  Other players find that it is an unnecessary option.

What else is unnecessary would be gostecks, weapon skins and map scenery since soldat would be just as playable being a couple of sticks jumping around on boring polygons and shooting each other. The fact that we have all these eye candy is to make the gameplay more enjoyable and creative.

Completely for it =]

Also you can just have everything on default, so it wouldn't effect the 'other' players that dont like this option. Hence why this is beneficial for modders.

Exactly! If you want play "sticky" game just play Stick Soldiers (<:::>)

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2007, 05:56:23 am »
Different interface guns, weapon-gfx, sounds and weapons.ini is all we need.

Imagine all of the Halo and similiar game mods with all different weapons

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2007, 05:17:35 am »
I still cant belive that this suggestion of mine is still alive! hehe!

I hope it gets noticed and considered!

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2007, 06:22:00 am »
Same goes here
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2007, 11:22:08 am »
Third...ed...gah, is that even a word? o_O
To sum up my point: We had a multipage debate about toilet padding. (Putting TP in the water so you don't get splashed.)
And we still don't know if dead guys can keep a stiffy.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2007, 04:02:08 pm »
Err, yes. Anyways does anybody have and reasons why this idea is not a good one?

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2007, 11:42:46 pm »
Also, doesn't only have to be for modded weapons.

There are 10 weapons, 5 for each team?
Since red team is always the "assault force" in INF

Red Team:
AK-74, Desert Eagles, Ruger, Minigun, M79
Blue Team:
AUG, Mp5, Barret(sp?), Minimi, Spas-12

Or, You could be able to choose which team gets which weapons?

Two lists, maybe red team would have all the weapons and blue team is stuck with snipers? :o

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #63 on: May 26, 2007, 07:22:01 am »
sorry, guys, but this is not good. if you step into a public server and get fucked up because the server-team weapons are weaker than the opponent's ones, you will be really pissed.
why not making a weapons.txt with the first 5 weapons being allies, and the last 5 axis? you can hint to this in the server welcome message, and if someone feels handled unfair, he can use the enemy weapons easily.
This is better, leave as is!!!
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #64 on: May 26, 2007, 07:34:58 am »
sorry, guys, but this is not good. if you step into a public server and get ****ed up because the server-team weapons are weaker than the opponent's ones, you will be really pissed.
why not making a weapons.txt with the first 5 weapons being allies, and the last 5 axis? you can hint to this in the server welcome message, and if someone feels handled unfair, he can use the enemy weapons easily.
This is better, leave as is!!!

At least read the first post before you post your on opinion. Rob is talking about team weapon gfx sprites.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #65 on: May 26, 2007, 10:05:26 am »
Rob i didnt look for quite a while on here but you want to redo Starship Troopers? awesome! do u have information in it already? or can i help? :D

I still Support this idea, hope it will ever be implented.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #66 on: May 26, 2007, 11:45:13 am »
F12 or die with fire.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #67 on: May 29, 2007, 11:43:50 am »
sorry, guys, but this is not good. if you step into a public server and get ****ed up because the server-team weapons are weaker than the opponent's ones, you will be really pissed.
why not making a weapons.txt with the first 5 weapons being allies, and the last 5 axis? you can hint to this in the server welcome message, and if someone feels handled unfair, he can use the enemy weapons easily.
This is better, leave as is!!!

At least read the first post before you post your on opinion. Rob is talking about team weapon gfx sprites.
sorry, this was a misunderstanding! in fact, the idea is great. will change my rating!
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #68 on: May 30, 2007, 05:44:24 am »
It is really annoying when you make a mod with two very different teams (ninjas vs pirates, modern vs ancient etc) and they are stuck using the same weapons as each other. Different GFX would be great, but I personally would like to see separate weapons.inis too, I mean they wouldn't be implemented in standard Soldat, but modders would be able to do a hell of a lot more. I don't think it would take much code at all to implement and the changed code would be very much like what is already in place for the gosteks. Modding soldat is easy and fun, but until this is implemented, a lot of mods will be inherently flawed.

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #69 on: May 31, 2007, 02:43:06 am »
It has been suggested before.  Other players find that it is an unnecessary option.
What else is unnecessary would be gostecks, weapon skins and map scenery since soldat would be just as playable being a couple of sticks jumping around on boring polygons and shooting each other. The fact that we have all these eye candy is to make the gameplay more enjoyable and creative.
Amen to that ;)

I F12 too, it would be up to the modder to balance the weapons. If they're not balanced enough, then one can ESC himself out of the server anytime ;)

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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #70 on: May 31, 2007, 09:57:13 am »
I completely support this, it would give better gameplay. ;)
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #71 on: May 31, 2007, 10:20:51 pm »
you can have different weapoons for different teams in the sense of like alpha has alpha's own sniping weapon with for example 15 bullets, reloads a little faster than the barrett, but kills only in some specific area, like the head. bravo then can only use barett or pick up alpha's different sniping guns.
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Re: Team Weapons
« Reply #72 on: June 03, 2007, 08:40:17 am »
Well basicly to a default setting, you cant tell the difference. Alpha and Bravo play with the old style guns.

But a modder can open the weapon-gfx files to discover 2 folders. one for each team, both containing identical guns.

Therefore, you can edit the guns in each folder to make them appear exclusivley for each team.