Revoke t's Moderator rights

[Rambo_6]

This is a serious post.   

He's been deleting posts by me, which may be slightly silly, but are nonetheless kosher. It's like he's purposely being an asshole to me alone. Read half of the posts he's deleted and i think you'll find that he's been a bit overzealous. There are way more offtopic posts and flames that are given no attention, so why not focus on them too? Or maybe lighten the **** up and realize i'm just having a bit of fun? I doubt any of my posts are offensive or annoying to many people, even if they are at times sarcastic or cynical.

If i should be doing this via PM, please tell me. I personally would like to know some of the opinions of others though.

After all, his rights were given after the fact that a bunch of other moderators deemed him unworthy of the status.

And by the way, i'm trying to make this as impersonal as possible. Just don't like my shit being tampered with.

[FliesLikeABrick]

I generally look at the posts deleted by moderators.  I have to admit that most of the ones that he deletes by you are often spammy or off-topic.. but there are some that are not fit for deletion.

I'll urge all moderators, not just t, to think twice before deleting someone's post.  If you're not sure, leave it alone and post in the moderator forums about it so we can make a better-informed decision of what to do.

In general, the posts of yours where you're like "stop deleting my posts!"... he has a right to delete those.  You should talk to him or an admin in PM instead of cluttering up the threads with drama.

[Rambo_6]

They aren't spammy to the point where they'd ruin a thread. It's just harmless fun. Sure, in some cases i'll be a bit of a prick, but most of the time i post what people are afraid to say, or would rather not say for whatever reason.

This place gets so boring without some more fun posts to read. I'm tired of reading the same old boring debates about what soda is better, or what you think of communism, or whatever. When posts start being deleted because a moderator dislikes certain users, or because a post becomes too "edgy" then stuff like this happens.

Ugh. Whatever. Go ahead and keep your lackey. 

If you're not sure, leave it alone and post in the moderator forums about it so we can make a better-informed decision of what to do.

Also, this is a bit offtopic, but is it true that the admins/mods have their own sekrit porno forum?

[FliesLikeABrick]

They aren't spammy to the point where they'd ruin a thread. It's just harmless fun. Sure, in some cases i'll be a bit of a prick, but most of the time i post what people are afraid to say, or would rather not say for whatever reason.

This place gets so boring without some more fun posts to read. I'm tired of reading the same old boring debates about what soda is better, or what you think of communism, or whatever. When posts start being deleted because a moderator dislikes certain users, or because a post becomes too "edgy" then stuff like this happens.

Ugh. Whatever. Go ahead and keep your lackey. 

If you're not sure, leave it alone and post in the moderator forums about it so we can make a better-informed decision of what to do.

Also, this is a bit offtopic, but is it true that the admins/mods have their own sekrit porno forum?

I'm not saying I disagree with you, and I urge all moderators to lighten-up a bit on what they delete, especially in the lounge.

[n00bface]

All moderators are lightened up in their discretion on what should and shouldn't be deleted.  The only posts that are ever deleted are deleted by Gram.  I was going to bring this up in the Moderator forum tomorrow because it's been this way for a while.  And there's also that whole crusade against necroposting which doesn't make any sense at all.  Better to use an existing topic rather than create a whole new one.  Instead, they get locked.  Oh well.

[jrgp]

I must say I agree with Rambo_6 for once.
IMO, † is really going insane with his rights. He is very trigger happy when it comes to deleting posts. A portion of what he does is good, I admit, but as Rambo_6 says, he frequently over does it.
Just about every new topic I go into has him somewhere in it saying the typical "Spam by whoever removed"

[Fluffy]

His status won't be removed, so I'll just hope he dies.

[Rambo_6]

^I know it's wrong, but i'll admit i had a good chuckle at that.

[Graham]

Deleting 2 off-topic posts in a debate thread is wrong? Holy heck maybe I should rethink my entire outlook on life!

[FliesLikeABrick]

Deleting 2 off-topic posts in a debate thread is wrong? Holy heck maybe I should rethink my entire outlook on life!

If there is someone trying to bring a thread off-topic, don't immediately jump in and say "zomg delete!" start by just posting and saying "please keep this thread on topic" and don't delete anything.

If someone still posts off-topic after that, quote their post, say "Off-topic post deleted" and then delete their post.  If you just delete it, everyone wonders what you're up to.

If your deletion was justified, everyone will see that (since you quoted the deleted post) and you have nothing to worry about.  Your judgment may not be completely wrong, but the procedure you use isn't the best and some minor changes will fix that.

[a-4-year-old]

"Totalee kikz hm h3 gve m33 4 wrning!"

† is fine as a moderator, hes a bit Iron fisted with the lounge, and? do we strip him down from his position just for that? No. †, you should be a mod, just don't spaz out on posts.

there is a seekret forum! how do you explain chakra being "active"

Oh shit! am I allowed to say that?!?!

[Graham]

Deleting 2 off-topic posts in a debate thread is wrong? Holy heck maybe I should rethink my entire outlook on life!

If there is someone trying to bring a thread off-topic, don't immediately jump in and say "zomg delete!" start by just posting and saying "please keep this thread on topic" and don't delete anything.

If someone still posts off-topic after that, quote their post, say "Off-topic post deleted" and then delete their post.  If you just delete it, everyone wonders what you're up to.

If your deletion was justified, everyone will see that (since you quoted the deleted post) and you have nothing to worry about.  Your judgment may not be completely wrong, but the procedure you use isn't the best and some minor changes will fix that.

I have tried to mod with a light touch like you, I just don't work that way.

[mxyzptlk]

I agree, maybe you should be a little more lenient.
Now, you are an active moderator, and I respect that, but you shouldn't delete something that isn't all that bad.

For instance, if you see a post that says, "Zomg, wen si 1.4 comming outt??!?!???!???!?!?", you should delete it, but if all it says is something like "that guy looks stupid.", which is the area that most of rambo's posts float, you shouldn't delete it.

Also, I think youshould take FLABs advice and warn before deleteing

[Graham]

Alright well lets see if you guys think I should have left his posts alone.

These are from a debate topic asking people to debate whether two wrongs make a right. The topic starter used an example of if someone kills your daughter, you kill his. These are the two replies I deleted:

If someone kills your daughter, then steal their boat.

Two spams by Rambo_6 deleted to not make a right.

[FliesLikeABrick]

the first one you should have left.  It was on-topic (do two wrongs make a right?). it was in the lounge, it was kinda funny... and it was in the lounge (again).

The second one was his fault.  He should contact you or an admin via PM if he has a problem, not spam up a topic with it.

[mxyzptlk]

Actually, you probably should have left the first one alone.

After all, he was explaining that, although you don't have to do the same thing that he did, you could do something equal (such as steal their boat) to make it equal.

[n00bface]

However lame the joke is, it's still relevant.  The forums aren't here to cater to your sense of humor, they're here to provide open discussion for the Soldat community.  The Lounge has been more laid-back since the Bash Pit was removed, but you've managed to make posting there a tenacious task once again.

Here's another post you deleted that was completely relevant -

Also, why the HELL would this game be abandonware?! Geez.

Because the game is so bad and undeveloped that people just thought that whoever wasted their precious life trying to make it good would have given up by now.

Seemed like a very legitimate reply to me.  You are making it a requirement to post something constructive to a thread.  Just because something is not constructive does not make it spam.

[Rambo_6]

I have tried to mod with a light touch like you, I just don't work that way.

Then maybe you shouldn't be a moderator of one of the most leniently moderated forums? I'm sure there are much stricter forums that could use your special touch of vigilance.

However lame the joke is, it's still relevant.

That's how i roll. 

Also, interesting fact... t is the only moderator with an insanely negative karma. 

[The Geologist]

I gotta agree, I don't think the first post should have been removed.  After that it was game on though. 

[Rambo_6]

Of course. At that point i was just annoyed that he removed post one to begin with, and i didn't really care if i got a slap on the wrist for it. At least then i'd have truly deserved it

[Graham]

However lame the joke is, it's still relevant.  The forums aren't here to cater to your sense of humor, they're here to provide open discussion for the Soldat community.  The Lounge has been more laid-back since the Bash Pit was removed, but you've managed to make posting there a tenacious task once again.

Here's another post you deleted that was completely relevant -

Also, why the HELL would this game be abandonware?! Geez.

Because the game is so bad and undeveloped that people just thought that whoever wasted their precious life trying to make it good would have given up by now.

Seemed like a very legitimate reply to me.  You are making it a requirement to post something constructive to a thread.  Just because something is not constructive does not make it spam.

noobface... seriously... stop. You have not done any moderating since the new forums came about, you even posted a clip from a movie with tons of nudity in it... you have no grounds say anything about me.

To the rest of you, I admit I might have been a little pissy this week. Bad vibes between me and my mom while at work have been festering but luckily we just got it worked out. Honestly I thought I have been letting plenty of crap slip through the cracks to give you guys some space, that post however I just saw "spam' written all over it.. still do.

[n00bface]

noobface... seriously... stop. You have not done any moderating since the new forums came about, you even posted a clip from a movie with tons of nudity in it... you have no grounds say anything about me.

To the rest of you, I admit I might have been a little pissy this week. Bad vibes between me and my mom while at work have been festering but luckily we just got it worked out. Honestly I thought I have been letting plenty of crap slip through the cracks to give you guys some space, that post however I just saw "spam' written all over it.. still do.

Yes, I have done moderating.  Namely at times when things should be moderated as opposed to times I want things to be moderated.  The clip I posted was a scene from a film that didn't even work up an R-equivalent rating in the UK; there was no overt nudity.  Considering you've got a signature that exposes every forum user to gore, I don't think you're in a position to talk about that either.  In addition to being a very mild clip, it is also one of the most recognized scenes from a classic movie.  Not even YouTube had the movie flagged as having mature content.

If you're keeping this up while stilling letting plenty of crap slip through, I'm curious just how ridiculously strict you'd be on a normal day.  Something is wrong if you still see it as having spam written all over it; you've not learned anything from this.

[Graham]

noobface... seriously... stop. You have not done any moderating since the new forums came about, you even posted a clip from a movie with tons of nudity in it... you have no grounds say anything about me.

To the rest of you, I admit I might have been a little pissy this week. Bad vibes between me and my mom while at work have been festering but luckily we just got it worked out. Honestly I thought I have been letting plenty of crap slip through the cracks to give you guys some space, that post however I just saw "spam' written all over it.. still do.

Yes, I have done moderating.  Namely at times when things should be moderated as opposed to times I want things to be moderated.  The clip I posted was a scene from a film that didn't even work up an R-equivalent rating in the UK; there was no overt nudity.  Considering you've got a signature that exposes every forum user to gore, I don't think you're in a position to talk about that either.  In addition to being a very mild clip, it is also one of the most recognized scenes from a classic movie.  Not even YouTube had the movie flagged as having mature content.

If you're keeping this up while stilling letting plenty of crap slip through, I'm curious just how ridiculously strict you'd be on a normal day.  Something is wrong if you still see it as having spam written all over it; you've not learned anything from this.

No nudity? I guess 3 naked women just means its a kids show >.>
I haven't had anyone complain to me about my signature.
Is it really wrong to try and give people a place to relax without having to search through utter crap?

[mxyzptlk]

Since when is contibuting in a funny was crap?

[Sentinel]

Judging only by karma and reading the posts in this thread alone, I'd say Rambo_6 should lay down slightly on the spam, and Alt+0134 should stop being such a dick of an admin.  He shouldn't have it taken away, just calm down with it.  It is a privilege after all.

[mxyzptlk]

agreed

[iDante]

Well, I have to put in a good word for t, so far he's been an awesome mod for me (the only post he's deleted of mine deserved it).
Rambo_6 you must have done something big to piss him off, either that or... I dunno.

However it does seem the consensus of this topic that you (t) should lay off of the delete button a bit, so while I haven't seen exactly what you are deleting, I would say lay off of it.

[a-4-year-old]

Judging only by karma and reading the posts in this thread alone,

The Karma system is totally unfair, Mine should be much lower!

[Not Not Muldritch]

Agreed.

Judging only by karma and reading the posts in this thread alone,

The Karma system is totally unfair, Mine should be much lower!

Give me a month or so.

[Chakra]

Love it when n00bface gets all serious whenever he sees a bandwagon passing to get his little whines carted on ....s'cute..

[frogboy]

No nudity? I guess 3 naked women just means its a kids show >.>

Seems like it was in the background, and I doubt you'd be complaining (and indeed, nobody else is complaining) about it if it didn't support your ad hominem.

[Rambo_6]

Love it when n00bface gets all serious whenever he sees a bandwagon passing to get his little whines carted on ....s'cute..

Love it when Chakra comes along to make his snappy British quips.

[PANZERCATWAGON]

You're asking to revoke his moderator rights because he deleted a couple of on-topic posts?

Your evidence for this being that he was too harsh?

O cruel irony you doth make me chortle. Now where the fuck are my pringles..?

[Blue-ninja]

At times, when a person gains a limited amout of power, he/she may abuse it for a while, but eventually, they'll get out of the funk and start cleaning up the forums a little. But if this is as long as you say it is, so be it. I have nothing to hold a grudge against t, he's just doing his job, and I just like to talk a lot. So...

*casts out bait to catch a moderator fish.* Wish me luck...

[Rambo_6]

You're asking to revoke his moderator rights because he deleted a couple of on-topic posts?

And because he's a terrible moderator in general. I'm not the only one who believes this.

[a-4-year-old]

Judging only by karma and reading the posts in this thread alone,

The Karma system is totally unfair, Mine should be much lower!

Give me a month or so.

I was thinking of a bit more then just -10 more karma.

I would like to see someone with less karma then posts, or even better, more karma then posts.

[Blue-ninja]

You're asking to revoke his moderator rights because he deleted a couple of on-topic posts?

And because he's a terrible moderator in general. I'm not the only one who believes this.

I confirm Rambo_6's beliefs: He just deleted my post explaining that Laser Guy's post was spam. Maybe I am just paranoid. :-x

[Graham]

You're asking to revoke his moderator rights because he deleted a couple of on-topic posts?

And because he's a terrible moderator in general. I'm not the only one who believes this.

I confirm Rambo_6's beliefs: He just deleted my post explaining that Laser Guy's post was spam. Maybe I am just paranoid. :-x

If you think a post is spam then use the "Report to moderator" button.

[Laser Guy]

You're asking to revoke his moderator rights because he deleted a couple of on-topic posts?

And because he's a terrible moderator in general. I'm not the only one who believes this.

I confirm Rambo_6's beliefs: He just deleted my post explaining that Laser Guy's post was spam. Maybe I am just paranoid. :-x

And how was my post "Yeah, go Intel!!!" a spam???

[Blue-ninja]

You really didn't go into the details of Intel and AMD. But I'm just saying things a bit too early.

[Not Not Muldritch]

If Gram agrees to delete all of Blue Ninja's future posts, I'll change my stance.

[Blue-ninja]

If Gram agrees to delete all of Blue Ninja's future posts, I'll change my stance.

....which is on the 3rd of Never. Good try, though. *merciful applause*

[Not Not Muldritch]

If Gram agrees to delete all of Blue Ninja's future posts, I'll change my stance.

....which is on the 3rd of Never. Good try, though. *merciful applause*

Please, God, let irony reign and make this his last post.

[VijchtiDoodah]

If Gram agrees to delete all of Blue Ninja's future posts, I'll change my stance.

....which is on the 3rd of Never. Good try, though. *merciful applause*

Please, God, let irony reign and make this his last post.

I've asked both of you to stop flaming each other several times already.  Don't do it again.

[Captain Ben]

i don't blame not not muldritch for being pissy like that paramud blueninja keeps trying to be funny in every single thread, fails horribly and won't give up
i'm not flaming, just stating the obvious
i've never really had any real trouble with t minus the emulator thread but i really think he should chillax a bit

and why the hell would someone complain about three nude women?

[mxyzptlk]

and why the hell would someone complain about three nude women?

Maybe T is a closet neuter.

[Graham]

Why? We have rules. I follow those rules.

[Rambo_6]

Because you're a dumbass.

[Captain Ben]

this is soldatforums, not a dictatorship

[iDante]

this is soldatforums, not a dictatorship

the only good forums are dictatorships, or else they end up... horrific...

[Keron Cyst]

... the only good forums are dictatorships, or else they end up... horrific...

No, not really. At the Metanet forums we run polls all the time on any major changes to the board. Anyone can vote on them; we even sometimes run polls within the staff on particular debates.

It's aristocratic; we try to allow as much flexibility within the member body as long as simple common sense and Forumer allow (Forumer, because it's at the top since it hosts our board, which is why it can never be truly democratic... but we're pretty darn close ).

[Captain Ben]

revoke them
i post constructively and he get all pissy and deletes it EVEN WHEN I AM ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING

[O.R.I.O.N.]

† doesn't like unintelligence.  Then again, neither do I.

[Blue-ninja]

revoke them
i post constructively and he get all pissy and deletes it EVEN WHEN I AM ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING

Saying that ninjas suck is not contributing.

Then again, t's just doing his job. Although there's a thin line between ruling with an iron fist and being a d--k-tator. So far, he's on the first one that was mentioned. If with spiky knuckles.

[Captain Ben]

i haven't said ninjas suck for ages and anyway you should have been long gone ages ago

even though you're trying to be a brown nosing backseat mod [as well as o.n.i.o.n] you have a point
there is a fine line between being a good mod and a bad mod but t has not only crossed the line HE IS STOMPING ON IT

[O.R.I.O.N.]

[analyze]If † really was abusing his power, his position would have been revoked ages ago.  The fact that he's still moderator is a sign that the negativity towards him is just a result of anger at him from those he's cracked down on.[/analyze]

[karmazon]

It's funny, I left for a long time, and I came back thinking NO WAY IN HELL is he still gonna be a moderator. But he is.

[SirJamesaford]

People like him on these forums go on power trips... FOr ****s sakes this is a forum site for a 2-d shooooterrrrr.  Just calm down moderators let us have our fun lmao I swear they think there gods sometimes.

But for the record im niether for or against him getting his "rights" revoked... I wouldnt wanna deprive him of his "power" that he obvioulsy thrives on

[O.R.I.O.N.]

What you apparently don't know is that all forums are held accountable to a Terms of Use policy, and are required to uphold some level of regulation, which is the purpose of the moderators and administrators.  Forums can be sued for breaking the regulations.

[PANZERCATWAGON]

You get shat on from people above you everywhere in life and on these forums it is no different. † is going to shit on you the same way that † gets shat on by the admins. Life is shit, the only variable is how runny that shit is. You might think †'s shit is runny or you might think it has bits of sweetcorn in it but it doesn't matter, if someone replaces him you can bet that their shit is going to be ten times runnier than the first guys shit. The only thing you can do is put up with being shat on until the inescapable umbrella of death eventually opens above you.

And if my blase triggered metaphors were too complicated I can summarise:

If we didn't have Hitler, we wouldn't have World War II video games.

[mxyzptlk]

Without chaos, order is hell.

My ten cents.

[SirJamesaford]

Without chaos, order is hell.

My ten cents.

To an extent that true but theres a line and it can be crossed.

[VijchtiDoodah]

Without chaos, order is hell.

My ten cents.

To an extent that true but theres a line and it can be crossed.

I don't think you've been around the forums long enough to know what happens when the forums become too relaxed.  Gram is not on a power trip, he simply does his best to keep you all from ruining the forums. 

It's a very difficult game of balance between leniency and strictness that we play -- especially in the Lounge and especially because most of you complain about locked threads when we, through experience, know those threads will result in nothing but spam. 

To be honest, if he didn't do the things he did, I'd pick up the slack and become the strict moderator because I know how much of a spam-fest the Lounge becomes every single time he takes a little vacation.

Otherwise you'd all have to deal with the people who think it's funny to spout random posts and tasteless jokes every chance they get (and there are pages upon pages worth -- we keep records of everything).

So chill out, cut the guy some slack, and do your best to create posts that are intelligent or, at the very least, somewhat worthwhile so we don't have to moderate.

[VijchtiDoodah]

SPAM? SPAM?! O GOD.... NO PLEASE GOD NOT.... NOT.... NOT SPAAAAAAAM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LMAO spam... and now for my favorite quote of all time "whats the big ****ing deal *****"

>_>

Post deleted, user warned.

[mxyzptlk]

Without chaos, order is hell.

My ten cents.

To an extent that true but theres a line and it can be crossed.

I think you mis-interpreted it.

I said that without chaos, order is hell.

Not the other way around.

[O.R.I.O.N.]

Without chaos, order is hell.

My ten cents.

To an extent that true but theres a line and it can be crossed.

I think you mis-interpreted it.

I said that without chaos, order is hell.

Not the other way around.

Yet another one of life's profound oddities.

[SirJamesaford]

I get what your saying... the yin and yang but too much yin and yangs outta whack and vice versa hence the line that can be crossed.

[O.R.I.O.N.]

I get what your saying... the yin and yang but too much yin and yangs outta whack and vice versa hence the line that can shouldn't be crossed.

>_>