Author Topic: Help me creating a new game type. (Read 14460 times)

Avarax · « **on:** June 29, 2006, 03:13:40 pm »

There are many variations of soldat out there.... climb maps, race maps, dodgeball maps, cs maps, football maps.... all that stuff.

but there is one missing.

There is no Trenchwar Server.

and that's going to change. i will buy me a server with only trenchwar maps and realistic ctf mode. but for that, i will need your help. there is only one really good trenchwar map out there so far, which is ctf_complex9 by Boxo.

I want you! Make me some nice trenchwar maps! I will take good works and upload it to my server, and the author's will get admin there.

here are the basic rules for creating a trenchwar map.

1. Only one way. (small short tunnels allowed.)
2. Flag Spawns are closer to the middle of the map than Player spawns, like on b2b.
3. the maps are veeeeery flat. only small hills and trenches for cover, and not much height difference over the whole map.
4. they should be filled with small bunkers, and tactical towers.
5. Almost no jet! Even less than cs maps.
6. no big buildings, mostly all action should go on outside.

here are examples to help your imagination:
home.arcor.de/avarax/trench1.JPG ctf_moats (my work in progress trenchwar map)
home.arcor.de/avarax/trench2.JPG ctf_complex9

i'll need at least 5-7 maps to start a server. so go to work my friends

ppl intending to do a trenchwar map:

-Avarax
-Flying Dutchman

Eagles_Arrows · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2006, 03:22:18 pm »

It sounds interesting

I might do one.

EDIT: You switched around the img links. Better go fix that

Mistercharles · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2006, 04:10:14 pm »

Damnit avarax, I was working on the SAME EXACT THING

But I'll "help."

Flying Dutchman · « **Reply #3 on:** June 29, 2006, 04:41:16 pm »

Yea, this idea is great! Back to world war uno! Has anyone seen Boxo around lately? Cause it would be nice if he could help too.

air139 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 29, 2006, 04:46:07 pm »

cant wait to see... it better be R/S too... and maybe increase all damage... so anything really hurts...

Avarax · « **Reply #5 on:** June 29, 2006, 04:52:34 pm »

no, with survival you wouldnt have to fight for each centimeter.

Blues · « **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2006, 08:39:57 pm »

Oh awesome stuff.
Yeah, better suited for realistic. Can't wait for it.

Demonic · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2006, 06:44:10 am »

I don't think they need a new prefix, you could go with ctf_, and after a bunch of maps come together, you could do a mappack.

It would also be awesome with reversed flag positions too. WW2 style!

Aquarius · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2006, 06:50:44 am »

A prefix would be helpful. Like in other "pseudomodes" - db, kz, rce...

Flying Dutchman · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2006, 08:07:01 am »

Yea, Demonics suggestion sounds great, although it would be hard to score I think.

Avarax · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2006, 09:25:29 am »

Quote from: Demonic on June 30, 2006, 06:44:10 am

It would also be awesome with reversed flag positions too. WW2 style!

awesome idea!
ill experiment that when the server is online

viggoloniggolo · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2006, 09:59:20 am »

only trenchwar maps?

what about hide and seek soldat?

what about escaping or puzzle soldat?

dont concentrate on some trenchwar maps....

think about it, there can be something more interesting made than umm trenchwars, but a good idea nevertheless.

*snip*

EnEsCe · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2006, 10:01:41 am »

*snip*

I like this idea // Gamemode... Might make a server for it aswell

Flying Dutchman · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2006, 10:38:08 am »

Well, nice flaming guys...

Anyways, everybody has a different taste. Vigg may not like it, but I and many other people do. If someone doesn't understand how this can be fun, go play Boxo's complex9 first.

FliesLikeABrick · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2006, 11:00:29 am »

flames extinguished

I like this and would probably make a server for it as well

X-Tender · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2006, 12:04:50 pm »

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Interesting ...............
*Photoshop Start*
*Polyworks Start*

iDante · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2006, 01:07:50 pm »

heh... Ill make a map but itll prolly suck.

Avarax · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2006, 05:20:35 pm »

aye, we got x-tender

Demonic · « **Reply #18 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:30:41 am »

I may help ye out, but I still don't support a seperate prefix.

Mainly, because then it would go into a different section of the forums, and not in the 'Flag maps' part. Which is bad.

jrgp · « **Reply #19 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:38:19 am »

Sounds fun and interestin, I'll make a map pack...

alwex · « **Reply #20 on:** July 01, 2006, 08:25:58 am »

Trenchwar, gamemode perfect for me, always loved maps like lagrange, and Dutchies Tranquil. So these trecnhwar maps will be so much fun to play.
Would make a Trenchwar map if wasnt for the fact that i stink at map making. So im just gonna let dutchie do the work and ill just help him instead (playing and complaining)

Aquarius · « **Reply #21 on:** July 01, 2006, 08:32:33 am »

Quote from: Demonic on July 01, 2006, 07:30:41 am

I may help ye out, but I still don't support a seperate prefix.

Mainly, because then it would go into a different section of the forums, and not in the 'Flag maps' part. Which is bad.

?? Why it would go into a different section? It's still CTF. Do we have "Dodgeball" or RS section?

Avarax · « **Reply #22 on:** July 01, 2006, 08:34:26 am »

@demonics: it would be ctf_tw_map

@jrgp: lets see who's faster ;(

Eagles_Arrows · « **Reply #23 on:** July 01, 2006, 08:57:30 am »

Quote from: Aquarius on July 01, 2006, 08:32:33 am

Quote from: Demonic on July 01, 2006, 07:30:41 am
I may help ye out, but I still don't support a seperate prefix.

Mainly, because then it would go into a different section of the forums, and not in the 'Flag maps' part. Which is bad.
?? Why it would go into a different section? It's still CTF. Do we have "Dodgeball" or RS section?

Err, yeah, it's CTF, but reverse.

Besides, I see ctf_cs maps and they're in the CTF section.

Demonic · « **Reply #24 on:** July 01, 2006, 10:16:08 am »

Oh, silly me, I thought it would be tw_mapname, not ctf_tw_mapname.

Nevermind then, to the drawing board!

X-Tender · « **Reply #25 on:** July 01, 2006, 10:47:36 am »

I have a few Questions before I start.
Is there a MAX size? e.g. 6-8 Players == 6 Screen sizes.
I always have the problem with the Flags... where they have to be and where they have to go?!

..
Can I use Custom stuff?

Is there a file limit? (no i dont want to create a HUUUGE scenary/background image [i hate that])

Keron Cyst · « **Reply #26 on:** July 01, 2006, 11:02:43 am »

Quote from: Demonic on July 01, 2006, 10:16:08 am

Oh, silly me, I thought it would be tw_mapname, not ctf_tw_mapname....

Er... what?

Is this to be a whole new game mode, or just a custom DM variant?

ds dude · « **Reply #27 on:** July 01, 2006, 11:27:31 am »

Hi,avarax first i want to say your server rocks.

on subject:Me and and my map partner -wildbill- would loove to help you with your server by making maps.we'll get started on it.

Wraithlike · « **Reply #28 on:** July 01, 2006, 11:32:45 am »

Count me in, I'll make a map or 2.

Edit:
It's nice to see X-Tender around.

Avarax · « **Reply #29 on:** July 01, 2006, 12:32:35 pm »

Quote from: X-Tender on July 01, 2006, 10:47:36 am

I have a few Questions before I start.
Is there a MAX size? e.g. 6-8 Players == 6 Screen sizes.
I always have the problem with the Flags... where they have to be and where they have to go?! ..
Can I use Custom stuff?
Is there a file limit? (no i dont want to create a HUUUGE scenary/background image [i hate that])

the server will be 10vs10 i think... but the map should be very big.
sure you can use custom scenery.
the flags should be one screen away from the playerspawns.
file limit... 3 MB

Eagles_Arrows · « **Reply #30 on:** July 01, 2006, 12:44:17 pm »

Quote from: Avarax on July 01, 2006, 12:32:35 pm

Quote from: X-Tender on July 01, 2006, 10:47:36 am
I have a few Questions before I start.
Is there a MAX size? e.g. 6-8 Players == 6 Screen sizes.
I always have the problem with the Flags... where they have to be and where they have to go?! ..
Can I use Custom stuff?
Is there a file limit? (no i dont want to create a HUUUGE scenary/background image [i hate that])

the server will be 10vs10 i think... but the map should be very big.
sure you can use custom scenery.
the flags should be one screen away from the playerspawns.
file limit... 3 MB

10vs10? Sure sounds exciting.

Anyway, I have free time today and tomorrow, so I'll make one.

X-Tender · « **Reply #31 on:** July 01, 2006, 12:45:34 pm »

And where did the flags have to go? .. :/ .. can you make me a small gfx ?

Avarax · « **Reply #32 on:** July 01, 2006, 12:49:01 pm »

uhm no i meant 10 slot server, so... 5vs5

@ X-tender:

___red________rflag______________________________ ________________________bflag_________blue____

X-Tender · « **Reply #33 on:** July 01, 2006, 12:52:03 pm »

aah and the red one must grab the bflag and take back? ..

Kinky noob · « **Reply #34 on:** July 01, 2006, 12:53:00 pm »

Yo i made one here it is its kinda small but i like. it also it forces you straight through enemy base so u should like.

Sry i have no screeny i tryed and it said that it was a inviald file just download it and check it out plz i am sry.

-WildBill- · « **Reply #35 on:** July 01, 2006, 12:57:02 pm »

Quote from: ds dude on July 01, 2006, 11:27:31 am

Me and and my map partner -wildbill- would loove to help you with your server by making maps.we'll get started on it.

yeah, lol, count me in. I'll have some to submit by July 3rd, I hope. Im thinking like a WWI kinda deal

also, I dont really care about having admin or not. it seems like at the rate youre going you'll have plenty as it is lol.

Eagles_Arrows · « **Reply #36 on:** July 01, 2006, 01:55:32 pm »

Quote from: Avarax on July 01, 2006, 12:49:01 pm

uhm no i meant 10 slot server, so... 5vs5

Waa!! Oh well.

Quote

___red________rflag______________________________________________________bflag_________blue____

What? It's not reverse CTF?!

@Chrono: That's like a TW version of CTF_Death!

Kinky noob · « **Reply #37 on:** July 01, 2006, 02:59:27 pm »

So is anyone gona check out my map at all....dont make me cry!!!

Avarax · « **Reply #38 on:** July 01, 2006, 04:00:42 pm »

ill check tomorrow

@eagles arrows: ill experiment with reverse once the server is online.

Kinky noob · « **Reply #39 on:** July 01, 2006, 05:10:27 pm »

PM me how i can make it better i have four more in progress.

Avarax · « **Reply #40 on:** July 01, 2006, 05:47:11 pm »

i tested the map kinky, but im sorry to say that, you did totally not understand my idea :/

the map should be totally flat...
it should be like lagrance

Wraithlike · « **Reply #41 on:** July 01, 2006, 05:50:55 pm »

Hey avarax, I made a tw map:

Edit:
fixed colliders, I'll expand later, it may take a bit so I'll leaving it at this for now.

Ctf_tw_chemical

Kinky noob · « **Reply #42 on:** July 01, 2006, 06:07:53 pm »

Well is it at least a map woth useing.........

Avarax · « **Reply #43 on:** July 01, 2006, 06:49:35 pm »

no ;p

Avarax · « **Reply #44 on:** July 01, 2006, 06:54:50 pm »

wraithlike: good map, you match my guidline very well

maybe you can make it a little bigger in width. also you should reduce the jetpack even more, you can make to evil kickjumps out of some pits. you forgot to place the colliders yet.

Wraithlike · « **Reply #45 on:** July 01, 2006, 06:58:35 pm »

Whoops, I think I had colliders, but forgot to save. I'll update soon.

Kinky noob · « **Reply #46 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:08:58 pm »

Quote from: Avarax on July 01, 2006, 06:49:35 pm

no ;p

MEANIE....

Here is this better.......

It is VERY big and flat the bases are nice to i think but it could have ben bigger.....

-WildBill- · « **Reply #47 on:** July 01, 2006, 10:18:11 pm »

yay! I finished my submission. I started it a few days back, but I see that during that time many people created maps very similar to mine.

whatever, maybe yall will like this better. (or maybe yall will hate it... I dunno lol)

ctf_tw_Last Stand is the name, army crawling is the game. refer to this topic for all the details.

Demonic · « **Reply #48 on:** July 02, 2006, 08:26:02 am »

My main objection about regular ctf is that you know what's going to happen if the team respawns... yes, they start to mad spray the flag carrier. Having a 2-way attack ( raid+return ) on a one way map could kill gameplay, imo.

Avarax · « **Reply #49 on:** July 02, 2006, 10:24:44 am »

basically you already lost if someone capped on a tw map because the spawns are far away from the flag and the flagger will get support fast. so its not the objective to turn the flag back in but never let someone even capture it.

Noldi · « **Reply #50 on:** July 02, 2006, 11:12:50 am »

I've heard of alll that race maps, climb etc... But what the hell is a trench war ?

Plonkoon · « **Reply #51 on:** July 02, 2006, 11:30:42 am »

Quote from: noldi on July 02, 2006, 11:12:50 am

I've heard of alll that race maps, climb etc... But what the hell is a trench war ?

Read the first page.

Eagles_Arrows · « **Reply #52 on:** July 02, 2006, 11:59:26 am »

Quote from: noldi on July 02, 2006, 11:12:50 am

I've heard of alll that race maps, climb etc... But what the hell is a trench war ?

Ever participated in a World War before?

-WildBill- · « **Reply #53 on:** July 02, 2006, 01:26:41 pm »

Quote from: Eagles_Arrows on July 02, 2006, 11:59:26 am

Ever participated in a World War before?

WWI would be most like what we're gettin at, I think

crackadillicus · « **Reply #54 on:** July 02, 2006, 01:32:31 pm »

THIS is that point in Big Lebowski, when John Goodman looks over and says "Donny! You are out of your f******* element here!"

On the topic:
I've got some free time tomorrow and i'm diggin on this idea - i'ma see what i can do to make one of these

X-Tender · « **Reply #55 on:** July 02, 2006, 01:38:35 pm »

"I'am the Wallrus"

Flying Dutchman · « **Reply #56 on:** July 02, 2006, 01:58:09 pm »

Here's my map Ava. It's not completelly finished. There are some things I might change, like the mid, it could be changed to completely flat, or with a little tunnel/basement under the bunker.

Avarax · « **Reply #57 on:** July 02, 2006, 04:32:57 pm »

no, it looks fine

maps that can be counted in so far:

ctf_complex9 (boxo)
ctf_tw_moats (mine)
ctf_tw_dutches (flying dutchman, no name yet)
ctf_tw_laststand (wildbill)
ctf_tw_chemical (wraithlike)

Noldi · « **Reply #58 on:** July 02, 2006, 04:44:24 pm »

Quote from: Plonkoon on July 02, 2006, 11:30:42 am

Quote from: noldi on July 02, 2006, 11:12:50 am
I've heard of alll that race maps, climb etc... But what the hell is a trench war ?

Read the first page.

Thank you, and happy 18th b-day avarax, I made the thread in the Ds forums.

-WildBill- · « **Reply #59 on:** July 02, 2006, 10:31:11 pm »

Quote from: Flying Dutchman on July 02, 2006, 01:58:09 pm

Here's my map Ava. It's not completelly finished. There are some things I might change, like the mid, it could be changed to completely flat, or with a little tunnel/basement under the bunker.

and where can we download this map you have shown us, eh?

Flying Dutchman · « **Reply #60 on:** July 03, 2006, 04:30:10 am »

Well, I said it's not completelly finished yet, I'll probebly upload it somewhere later this day when I get everything smooth and polished.

crackadillicus · « **Reply #61 on:** July 03, 2006, 04:47:16 am »

yo

so i made one of these maps - my first finished map. i think it came out alright but you gotta be the judge av.

i'm pretty sure i used mostly default scenery, but it all gets saved into the same folder & shit so if i accidently used somebody elses i'm not meanin to steal credit or anything

Oo - it's not waypointed

tell me if this hits near to what you were thinkin

Avarax · « **Reply #62 on:** July 03, 2006, 05:30:47 am »

good one, but as every other, way too small. stretch it by 30-50%

Mistercharles · « **Reply #63 on:** July 03, 2006, 09:55:55 am »

Excellent crackguy. I love it.

Avarax, the one I'm working on has a large windmill in the center. It's not really for players to snipe from, it's just to prevent spray (plus it helps the WWI theme). Is that okay?

Avarax · « **Reply #64 on:** July 03, 2006, 09:59:51 am »

sure, buildings are cool, you can even make it a snipe spot

just dont fill the map with buildings and leave lots of free space

mine is ready now, ill post it today and then ill try to collect all goood tw maps in a mappack. i would appreciate if everyone gave me his OK to modify spawns, jet and colliders a bit.

Avarax · « **Reply #65 on:** July 03, 2006, 10:46:09 am »

sorry for double post:
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=1521.0

my tw map. ill try to get the server up today with some good maps, ill let you know if its ready. i will for first trys use my RS server and if it's good ill go for a "real" one.

Avarax · « **Reply #66 on:** July 03, 2006, 11:27:11 am »

k, triple post ftw ^^

(edit sux because people dont see that there's something new)

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=1523.0

MZ · « **Reply #67 on:** July 03, 2006, 11:50:09 am »

Damn I missed this thread before...

Anyways, I love the idea. I found this type of gameplay awesome ever since I played Soap's ctf_Shellshocked.
I look foreward to playing on the server

Flying Dutchman · « **Reply #68 on:** July 03, 2006, 12:27:46 pm »

Ok, my map is done and posted. You can find it in the Ctf/Inf section. I'm to lazy to post the link here cause of my damn slow pc.

Wraithlike · « **Reply #69 on:** July 03, 2006, 03:25:37 pm »

I made mine bigger.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=1495.msg17626#msg17626

Mistercharles · « **Reply #70 on:** July 03, 2006, 04:58:27 pm »

^Awsome Wraith.

I don't have much yet, just a little bit of terrain. Windmill needs dirtying up as well.

Wraithlike · « **Reply #71 on:** July 03, 2006, 05:18:25 pm »

That windmill FTW!

crackadillicus · « **Reply #72 on:** July 03, 2006, 05:59:23 pm »

yo

redid swampland so it's got more room for strategy & much bigger

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=1544.new#new

i'm feelin good bout where this one's goin

Boxo · « **Reply #73 on:** July 04, 2006, 03:38:55 am »

Yeah, these kind of games/maps are nifty, but I don't think they should be a separate gamemode. The new maps are cool too, complex9 is getting boring.

I've a few trech-warry maps in the making, i'll see if anything comes out of them.

KamikazeDuck · « **Reply #74 on:** July 04, 2006, 05:32:56 am »

If your making a server for this style of map is there any chance of this being included? It may have the flags in the wrong spot, be a little on the small side and only have 4 "trenches" but it's still fun. Download it here if you want to use it in the server, it's in the map pack.

edit: I really like the look of these tw maps being made and it's nice to see that there has been a lot of interest in them. gj Avarax.

Wraithlike · « **Reply #75 on:** July 04, 2006, 10:05:34 pm »

I'm working on a new one: Ctf_tw_Plague Years

Preview of building that I like:

swebonny · « **Reply #76 on:** July 05, 2006, 06:19:50 am »

Oh sounds and looks good

Hmm will i make maps or not?

H31MU7 · « **Reply #77 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:31:37 am »

It should be R/S so when you die you die.

Flying Dutchman · « **Reply #78 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:56:10 am »

Then it won't give that fight for land feeling. Without survival it's like an ongoing battle to capture the enemies territory. With survival it would become hide and seek in the end.

viggoloniggolo · « **Reply #79 on:** July 05, 2006, 10:59:37 am »

I'll make 1 too, dont give a bang about if others like it thow

HARHAR

Avarax · « **Reply #80 on:** July 05, 2006, 11:26:44 am »

the others dont give a **** about you as well ~.~

jettlarue · « **Reply #81 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:39:37 pm »

i will make a map. but im not real experienced with map making. it will probably not get on your server, but it will be a great way for me to learn better map making techniques. and btw, thanks for buying a server for all us to play on.

{AFRO}BlackPowerFi · « **Reply #82 on:** July 06, 2006, 09:26:30 am »

Ok yall i REALLY need some maps bad my TW server is up by EliteCTF Community. ALL i have is 6 MAP! 6!!!! Need alot more give me what you got!!!!

Name: !Elite Trenchwar!
IP and Port: 209.11.246.251:23080

-WildBill- · « **Reply #83 on:** July 07, 2006, 10:54:09 pm »

are we allowed to make like a smash between jungle warfare and trench warfare? I made another tw map closer to what I think yall wanted (as opposed to my previous piece of s**t lol). only problem: its jungle themed. would that still work for you, avarax? it aint quite done yet, but Ill put it up in a day or so and see if ya want it or not lol

Wraithlike · « **Reply #84 on:** July 07, 2006, 11:08:08 pm »

New map

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=1818.0

SoulSnipa · « **Reply #85 on:** July 07, 2006, 11:37:06 pm »

i know i made one map, perhaps ctf_hoth as a trench map, try that out if u want.

Soap · « **Reply #86 on:** August 18, 2006, 05:25:48 am »

For you, Avarax, I will come out of retirement to make an epic trench map.

Avarax · « **Reply #87 on:** August 18, 2006, 06:58:18 am »

yey ;P

M1LK · « **Reply #88 on:** February 07, 2007, 05:43:40 pm »

Wow, just joined these forums after seeing these old posts... I find this TW stuff very cool. I've been making maps for this and playing a mode just like this for like two years.

Cool stuff.. Nice job getting it out there Avarax.

( I'm gunna start up my server again, so inspired lol ).

Raithah · « **Reply #89 on:** February 07, 2007, 09:00:24 pm »

Thread necromancer ! M1LK, please don't post on threads over four months old. It's almost as annoying as listening to Crazy Frog beamed in straight to your brain.

ultraman · « **Reply #90 on:** February 09, 2007, 08:43:45 am »

Quote from: Demonic on June 30, 2006, 06:44:10 am

I don't think they need a new prefix, you could go with ctf_, and after a bunch of maps come together, you could do a mappack.

It would also be awesome with reversed flag positions too. WW2 style!

Heh, I did a reverse TW map

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=7766.0

And another, not reverse but I still like it :> http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=8947.0

Avarax · « **Reply #91 on:** February 25, 2007, 08:23:02 am »

lock plz -.-

Magic Odd Effect · « **Reply #92 on:** February 26, 2007, 10:12:55 am »

I'm making a map, this game mode seems very interesting.

ctf_tw_stalemate.

It's about halfway done, It's gonna have reversed flags, a small hill in the central position, maybe three bunkers, and some barbed wire. And three lines of trenches, complete with firesteps. Maybe some gas clouds and craters, too.
And, if someone wants it, artillery. Not stat guns, artillery.

I might make a mod with WWI weapons, too, and use those TW maps in it.

Why the "lock plz -.-"?

Avarax · « **Reply #93 on:** February 26, 2007, 11:30:45 am »

because this thread is more than half a year old and TW maps are quite popular already.

News:

Poll

Should Trenchwar Maps have the prefix "tw"?

Author Topic: Help me creating a new game type. (Read 14460 times)