Revoke 5th/6th account's moderater rights

[a-4-year-old]

This is a serious post.

6th account locks active topics for being "old" even though people still post their opinions about the current balance and what the next balance should be. There is a legit discussion going on in the topic and he just locks it.

6th Account is extremely biased and locks almost every topic that criticizes the beta tester's balance.

List:
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=6488.msg159309#msg159309 <   "old"
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=12893.msg159308#msg159308 <    "old"
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13661.msg155599#msg155599 <    no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=12755.0 <    no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=12712.msg156868#msg156868 <    "revive dead topic" It was not spam it was someone's opinion on the ruger, on topic discussion.
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13075.0 <    no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13569.msg154382#msg154382 <    "You're welcome to provide feedback on the weapons for a likely 1.4 patch" just not in that particular topic.
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13374.0 <    no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=507.msg131945#msg131945 <    if a topic gets revived 5th account is your man to kill it.
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=8102.0 <    no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=10982.msg123965#msg123965 <    this topic was locked before anyone discussed it and before he even thought of moving it to Game Improvements
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=9095.msg106765#msg106765 <    locked not moved
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=742.msg67390#msg67390 <    revived, and killed
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=4851.msg63618#msg63618 <    kills topic instead of the fresh meat who didn't know the rules
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=3978.msg62473#msg62473 <    "Why? Cause I can!"
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=3459.msg51966#msg51966 <    Can't agree? then let them discuss more.

I went back to page 5 just to demonstrate the long history of his reckless lockings.

[Laser Guy]

Yep, some of his locks are SENSLESS, and if 6th_account locks this thread he will add up another topic to that list here...
Ok, but how do u know that he locked all topics here?? On some of these he doesn't admit he did it...

[a-4-year-old]

Ok, but how do u know that he locked all topics here?? On some of these he doesn't admit he did it...

I can assume based on the fact that there are only 3 moderators in that section, and 2 of them are very inactive if at all.

[mxyzptlk]

I agree. He closed the "M79 Barrett overpowered?" thread because it was "Old, Bleh."

The post before the last one was only a week old.

That was a good discussion/debate going, closed because "Old, Bleh."

I is way too trigger happy, looking at the other examples.

I don't know what should happen, but something should.

[DePhille]

I've only been trough the first half of the links, but already have a comment:
Keep in mind that since 1.4 is released, many of the existing weapon balance discussions still handle 1.3.1 . That means that,
for example, the topic about the barret is indeed old even though people still post their ideas on it, that's because the topic was started in 1.3.1 .

Edit: After reading all the locked topics I agree with 80%, have no opinion on 10% and disagree with 10% of the closed topics.

Grtz, DePhille

[a-4-year-old]

I've only been trough the first half of the links, but already have a comment:
Keep in mind that since 1.4 is released, many of the existing weapon balance discussions still handle 1.3.1 . That means that,
for example, the topic about the barret is indeed old even though people still post their ideas on it, that's because the topic was started in 1.3.1 .

Edit: After reading all the locked topics I agree with 80%, have no opinion on 10% and disagree with 10% of the closed topics.

Grtz, DePhille

I don't really understand what your edit means, I read it a few times, but it doesn't clarify what the percentages are.

There is a bit of truth to the topic made during the previous version argument, even though the topic starter itself was outdated, there were still things to discuss to stay on task and productive. we could remake the same topic every version, but that would be impractical when one is already started.

[mxyzptlk]

"http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=3978.msg62473#msg62473 <    "Why? Cause I can!""


Yeah... That sounds like abuse of power to me.

[Sytrus]

I agree. He is the number one mod that really excessively abuses his powers and does what he wants. You've got my vote.

[6th_account]

Topics concerning 1.3.1 weapons aren't ideal for 1.4 discussions. If you want to further discuss it, make a new topic. Also bumping dead topics with no new constructive comments is very unnecessary. And new weapons and features doesn't belong in the wep section.

I believe that covers a big part of it. =)


Xyrus-lemoto stinks.

[DePhille]

With those percentages I meant that I think that 80% of those topic mentioned in the first post are closed with a valid reason, 10% of them are closed for a reason on which I have no opinion and another 10% are closed for what I think is an invalid reason.

Like 6th_account is saying, you cannot discuss 1.4 related stuff in a topic which was started during 1.3.1. I really don't see a good reason why his moderator rights should be revoked. If anything, he should at maximum be warned by an administrator though I don't think he deserves that.

Grtz, DePhille

[Sytrus]

But reasons like

"Because I can" are invalid.

[mxyzptlk]

ok, a point by point:

List:
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=6488.msg159309#msg159309 <   "old"
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=12893.msg159308#msg159308 <    "old"

How is Just how old was it? if it was originally talking about 1.3.1, but it shifted to 1.4, it was just repurposed. No harm there.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13661.msg155599#msg155599 <    no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=12755.0 <    no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13075.0 <    no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=8102.0 <    no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13374.0 <    no reason

Erm, at least give a reason if you lock something, let alone five things.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=12712.msg156868#msg156868 <    "revive dead topic" It was not spam it was someone's opinion on the ruger, on topic discussion.

The topic wasn't even two weeks old yet. There is a general unspoken "Death date" of around a month. After that, it is free to be ignored, locked, whatever. At least thats how it is in every other forum I've been to.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13569.msg154382#msg154382 <    "You're welcome to provide feedback on the weapons for a likely 1.4 patch" just not in that particular topic.

Exactly. The thread you made wasn't pinned or anything, so it was hardly the definitive 1.4 feedback thread.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=507.msg131945#msg131945 <    if a topic gets revived 5th account is your man to kill it.

Speaks for itself.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=10982.msg123965#msg123965 <    this topic was locked before anyone discussed it and before he even thought of moving it to Game Improvements

This is one that I think actually was locked appropriately.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=9095.msg106765#msg106765 <    locked not moved

could have been moved to suggestions, then it would have degraded, THEN you could lock it. Although, I do see why you did this one.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=742.msg67390#msg67390 <    revived, and killed

Ok, another legal lock.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=4851.msg63618#msg63618 <    kills topic instead of the fresh meat who didn't know the rules

Locked because a newb was bumping? Thats what verbal warnings are for. Just tell him what he did wrong, and let it die on it's own.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=3978.msg62473#msg62473 <    "Why? Cause I can!"
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=3459.msg51966#msg51966 <    Can't agree? then let them discuss more.

Now, these were just abusive.
1: locked because you can. Really?
2:they had a good debate going, and you ended it because it was, IN YOUR OPINION, pointless.


Ok, point by point, looking at them, what do you think now?

[a-4-year-old]

Topics concerning 1.3.1 weapons aren't ideal for 1.4 discussions. If you want to further discuss it, make a new topic. Also bumping dead topics with no new constructive comments is very unnecessary. And new weapons and features doesn't belong in the wep section.

1. Making a new topic for every version would be like making a new account for who knows why, It is wasteful and unnecessary, there is a topic about the barrett, you talked about the barrett in 1.3.1 now you can talk about the barrett in 1.4
2.A topic a week old is hardly outdated, and if they are on topic then you let them go and see where the discussion goes, If someone comes in and revives a topic from 3-4 weeks ago to say "I LIEK BANANAZ" then go ahead and lock and warn them, don't just lock a topic because someone else has an opinion.
3. If it doesn't belong there then you move it to where it does belong, not just lock the topic.

The most annoying thing is that to you people's opinions have no weight. oh, this guy thinks the m79 is unbalanced, lets ignore him for a while then when people agree with him we lock the topic and end the discussion.

[Laser Guy]

With those percentages I meant that I think that 80% of those topic mentioned in the first post are closed with a valid reason, 10% of them are closed for a reason on which I have no opinion and another 10% are closed for what I think is an invalid reason.

Like 6th_account is saying, you cannot discuss 1.4 related stuff in a topic which was started during 1.3.1. I really don't see a good reason why his moderator rights should be revoked. If anything, he should at maximum be warned by an administrator though I don't think he deserves that.

Grtz, DePhille

SOME PPL LIKE ME PLAY 1.4 AND 1.3.1 AT THE SAME TIME.

[The Geologist]

lol...don't you guys have anything better to do?

Maybe a few of those topics shouldn't have been locked, but imo many of them were getting nowhere and the arguments inside were going in circles.  Revived or not, some of these old topics just have no use.  They're still there for anyone to consider their merit though, it's not like they're wiped from the face of the planet.  And new topics for the new version can be and have been created.

Hardly reasons to take him down from being a moderator.  It's beginning to get hard for a mod to do near anything as far as locking topics goes without people piping up about moderators abusing their power, it seems. 

[DePhille]

Since 1.4 is the new version, the weapon balance discussion will provide topics about 1.4 instead of 1.3.1 .
It is impossible to have weapon balance topics for each version, as there will be too many open topics then.
As you might understand, it is normal that the weapon balance discussion has to focus on 1.4 rather than 1.3.1 . I would support the point you made if Michal would still update 1.3.1 after the release of 1.4 .

PS: Why the strong words? I don't see where I'm being selfish or insulting you, I'm just being realistic. If you wish to insult me, please do so via PM and not in public. You won't see me flaming anyone in public if that's what you're aiming for.

Grtz, DePhille

[6th_account]

List:
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=6488.msg159309#msg159309 <   "old"
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=12893.msg159308#msg159308 <   "old"

How is Just how old was it? if it was originally talking about 1.3.1, but it shifted to 1.4, it was just repurposed. No harm there.

The first one was an endless m79 & barret discussion that never led to anywhere other than flaming and lies. Not only being a discussion on how annoying 1.3.1 7,8 weps are, it wouldn't come up with anything new or reach a consensus within time for the patch. Feedback should have been directed to the topic "Normal mode feedback". If it was more discussive than just feedback, then a new topic would have been great. It's just blah to mix 1.3.1 and 1.4 discussions on the same topic.
The second one cited an old beta stage wm that isn't up for discussion. The recent feedback topic hade the same purpose, but discussed the 1.4 balance instead of one that isn't used anywhere by anyone.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13661.msg155599#msg155599 <   no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=12755.0 <   no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13075.0 <   no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=8102.0 <   no reason
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13374.0 <   no reason

Erm, at least give a reason if you lock something, let alone five things.

#1 was closed since it was a mix of vanilla and realmode feedback that neither Madchal nor I could use with confident. The topic was locked to give way for "Normal mode feedback" and "Realistic mode feedback". Reopened since umkthx PMed me that he had something important or so to add to that specific topic.
#2 It was a dead topic that got revived with a useless comment. And I remember the thread starter wanted features that couldn't be tweaked by the beta team.
#3 The original idea was bad and it ended up being a copypaste of that bigarse M79 thread with all the "just dodge it" "every shot can't be dodged" "omg you noob" and so on. But ya explanation needed!
#4 It was six months old, and Chakra summed it up nicely in the first sentance.
#5 It asked for a change that was seriously silly. And just look at the last posts. When they're so obvious I don't really bother with a comment.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=12712.msg156868#msg156868 <   "revive dead topic" It was not spam it was someone's opinion on the ruger, on topic discussion.

The topic wasn't even two weeks old yet. There is a general unspoken "Death date" of around a month. After that, it is free to be ignored, locked, whatever. At least thats how it is in every other forum I've been to.

That ziem posted in every topic on the first page with pretty much the same comment. Also I had just written the topic "Normal mode feedback."

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=13569.msg154382#msg154382 <   "You're welcome to provide feedback on the weapons for a likely 1.4 patch" just not in that particular topic.

Exactly. The thread you made wasn't pinned or anything, so it was hardly the definitive 1.4 feedback thread.

Did you read that topic? The title wasn't very appealing and the thread starter wrote up things that he had misunderstood. Not a very fitting scene for 1.4 feedback.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=507.msg131945#msg131945 <   if a topic gets revived 5th account is your man to kill it.

Speaks for itself.

He revived it after six months just to post some stats that were errornous and didn't mean anything. Even sytrys whined on him.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=4851.msg63618#msg63618 <   kills topic instead of the fresh meat who didn't know the rules

Locked because a newb was bumping? Thats what verbal warnings are for. Just tell him what he did wrong, and let it die on it's own.

I thought "ZOMG DON'T BUMP THE TOPICS" was a legit reply to his actions. =) But yah, joo're probably right.

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=3978.msg62473#msg62473 <   "Why? Cause I can!"
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=3459.msg51966#msg51966 <   Can't agree? then let them discuss more.

Now, these were just abusive.
1: locked because you can. Really?
2:they had a good debate going, and you ended it because it was, IN YOUR OPINION, pointless.

#1 Don't really remember why I locked it. =) But I do remember 4-year-old did some stupid stats that didn't mean anything. Probably shouldn't have locked it though!
#2 They couldn't agree if saw was useless. This is a case where beta testers know what's best for the game.

Anyhoo, the wep discussion section isn't exactly The Lounge. It requires some structure and I had to be harse. Many felt that forum to be pointless but I had to fight to keep it! Outside that section I seldom use my mod powerz, if I do it's only by deleting spam and thwarting various roolbreakings.

Also I can't believe I wasted like 30 minutes on this. I'm with The Geo. :Q

[chrisgbk]

The general rule I use for locks is this:

1) Less than 2 weeks: as long as it's on topic, it's fine. Otherwise it's spam. I won't lock the topic, unless it is all pointless spam.
2) 2 weeks to 1 month: dead topic, will be locked, unless the post is on topic and has a good point. Very, very few posts meet this criteria.
3) Over a month: dead topic, no exceptions. At this point, you should make a new topic, not bump an old one. If it's related to an old thread, link to the old thread to show that there was an old discussion, but you wish to restart the discussion.
4) Over 3 months: fucking necromancer. No excuse for this. To find a topic this old you usually have to dig back 10-15 pages.

Generally, I don't give warnings to people, just lock the topic with a reason. Unless someone bumps a large number of dead topics in one day, or only has posts that bump old topics. Such as one particular case, where a new account went and made posts in 10 different 3 month old topics that were back on page 15 of the forum they were in.

[FliesLikeABrick]

I generally agree with chris, though I'd drop 3 and 4, and pretty much extend his criteria for 2 to cover any old post older than 2 weeks.

[chrisgbk]

I generally agree with chris, though I'd drop 3 and 4, and pretty much extend his criteria for 2 to cover any old post older than 2 weeks.

Then again, I spend most of my time in Help, Server Help, and the 2 scripting forums I'm officially mod of; given the content of those forums, there really shouldn't be bumps of very old topics. In the help forums, chances are if a topic is 1 month-3 months old it's either no longer relevent because it's been fixed, it's a known bug that will be fixed, or there is a workaround either in an old topic or in a sticky.

I really shouldn't say no exceptions; there are a few valid reasons for bumping very old topics, but the vast majority of bumps do not fall into that category.

[iDante]

While I disagree with 6th_account on a lot of WM ideas, I haven't really seen reason to remove his mod rights. He posted good reasons for locking those threads.
What I would say though 6th_account, is that you should post better locking reasons. Because I can is not going to make people happy.

[Laser Guy]

While I disagree with 6th_account on a lot of WM ideas, I haven't really seen reason to remove his mod rights. He posted good reasons for locking those threads.
What I would say though 6th_account, is that you should post better locking reasons. Because I can is not going to make people happy.

reasons like "because i can"!?!?! not a good reason lol

[iDante]

I mean in his earlier post on this thread.
He should post these reasons in the thread to be closed is what I'm saying.

[Blue-ninja]

Reasons like "because I can" and "I don't like the topic-starter" would inevitably ignite a flamewar against 5th/6th account.

Please keep it reasonable next time.

[Sytrus]

Let's make a poll about this topic!

[DePhille]

The reason "Because I can" is probably just a joke or mask for the actual (probably obvious) reason.. However, it's a joke that actually shouldn't be made, if it is one.

Also, you don't have to go to a high pagenumber in order to revive an old topic. Some topics are revived because they were opened by someone who had them as a search result. I couldn't just set up a few guidelines for which topic to lock and which not, I'd judge by the new reaction and it's relation to the first post.

Grtz, DePhille

[Laser Guy]

nah, no poll is necessary, tho this topic might be saying "take his rights away" I would leave the right s at his hands and just don't get in his way much, and ya, reasons like "cuz i can" are bat but oh well, a Mod or Admin can make a few booboos a few times... I have been a mod once and it is pretty hard to keep your humor out sometimes, just forget about this topic and get back to life (or get one first)

[a-4-year-old]

nah, no poll is necessary,

What? Unnecessary? you got it!

After reading his explanation I changed my opinion, I think 6th should review his locking policy and explain why he locks his topics in the topic. Explaining could just be a quote of what someone else said, quote a rule or quote someone to explain to them, Last time I checked (a few seconds ago) there are a few stickies, but none of them are clearly about the rules, Chakra's "purpose of the forum" has only one rule in it, and that is a general rule of thumb for all forums.