MP5 Ruined?

[chazzer_]

Ive been playing Soldat for around a year and for the last 5 months have been using the MP5 as my main primary weapon. I was looking forward to the new release of the game. While many bugs have been fixed and imporvements have been made in 1.4 I feel the changes made to the weapons, in particular the MP5 and Ruger, have thrown the game way off balance. The decrease in damage dealt by the MP5 crippled the weapon which can now be massively outdone by the ruger and shotgun. Whereas the damage dealt by the ruger has increased to take just over half of your health away. killing in two shots VERY quickly, the speed at which you can kill with an MP5 has increased.

Just want to know what other players feel about changes made to the MP5.

Changes made:
HK MP5 :   dmg -3, reload +10, bink +14
Ruger :   Â            dmg +2, reload -5

[General Meevious]

Yes indeed, the MP5 has been rendered ineffective, but not to a huge extent, it's unbalanced, but not critically so in my opinion (unlike the barret). you can still beat a steyr with an mp5 if you have a bit more skill than he. The ruger and spaz have been bumped up stupidly, both can now 2hit kill with ease.

[SirJamesaford]

The mp5 is not ruind... it still can be used to provide cover fire around corners so your not in harms way of a sniper... And no mp5er is taking me down when i have my aug with me unless im in a tunnel.

But the spas and ruger are waaayyy outta whack.  They need to be fixed and this has to happen soon.  Servers are being over run by spasers and rugers and its becomming very irritating.

[Okama]

I find its a bit better, just the slightest bit more accurate.

[Sytrus]

The old one was better.

[Avis]

Yeah, at the current position, I'd consider the 1.3.1 balance with current Bink/MovementAcc-settings. (Chainsaw and Minigun should remain as they are NOW.)

[Mr. Domino]

What kills it as a weapon is the huge reload time increase. It has been crippled to the point of being mostly ineffective, and I agree as many have said that there is now no reason to go with the greatly diminished HK when you can use the improved Spas for all your close quarter combat needs.

[GAMEOVER]

I find the HK to feel even better then last version. This weapon never effected me (as a ruger user) last version. A mp5 is a close range weapon if I dont kill them mid screen then im getting killed close range. A close range weapon such as this doesnt and shouldnt effect mid to long range weapons when the mp5 user is fighting a mid to long range battle. Now take your mp5 and practice rushing in on your target, smothering them if you will, and youll find the weapon more then effective.

[SirJamesaford]

I find the HK to feel even better then last version. This weapon never effected me (as a ruger user) last version. A mp5 is a close range weapon if I dont kill them mid screen then im getting killed close range. A close range weapon such as this doesnt and shouldnt effect mid to long range weapons when the mp5 user is fighting a mid to long range battle. Now take your mp5 and practice rushing in on your target, smothering them if you will, and youll find the weapon more then effective.

True but the argument isnt that the mp5 is usless... The argument is that its usless compared to the other mid ranged weapons such as the spas.

[chazzer_]

Now take your mp5 and practice rushing in on your target, smothering them if you will, and youll find the weapon more then effective.

That is how I use the MP5 however the idea of a close combat weapon is that it can kill quickly at close range but because of the decrease in damage, other mid-long range weapons are just as or more effective because of the damage they deal compared to the MP5. Also the increase in reload time further makes the MP5 an ineffective weapon in close range, compared to other weapons that have had their reload time shortened eg. Ruger/Shotgun. Both of which have had their reload/shot speed improved as well as damage.

I find its a bit better, just the slightest bit more accurate.

The fact that the MP5 is slightly more accurate does not make up for the other changes made to the weapon.

[Duke]

I believe that the MP5 is ruined, when ever i play now i find it very rare to find someone who is using the MP5 to be high in the rankings. No i use the rugar every time i play solday and iam finding that it is nearly too easy to kill with now. Even in close combat iam beating shotgun hands down.  Now the MP5 did need some tweaking but now they have went so far as to make in innafective in every situation.

[{depth}shaman]

im totally with you on this one. Somethings got to budge. Im not quite happy with the current balance.

[jrgp]

@chazzer_:

I agree with you 100 percent on this. The MP5 was my favorite weapon since 2005 when 1.3.1 came out. Now, I it just isn't practical to use since I can use the Steyr or to just about accomplish the same task. I have noticed a LOT of less players players using MP5.

Indeed, my favorite weapon has been horribly crippled.

[excruciator]

kk tell me if I'm wrong...
first of all, Im not a big user of MP5(want to make it clear)
but didn't they increased the base accuracy? isn't MP5 more accurate than ever? sure MP5 got -3 dmg but the increased acc wouldn't create a new balance?

[chazzer_]

Ur wrong

The MP5 didnt need increased accuracy because it is a close-mid range weapon. The -3 damage increases the time taken to make a kill. This also means that you have to reload after every kill because it takes over half a clip to make a kill which adds even more time beacuse of the decreased reload speed.

[excruciator]

so MP5 it's a strict close range weapon and you do not want to make any mid range killz with that puppy?

[{depth}shaman]

good point chazzer. I've noticed that too. You can't get two kills with one clip anymore. Im usually down around 12-10 bullets after i waste someone and i have to reload. This alone destroyed the weapon. I hope bug fix patch balances weapons better, cause this is a joke.

[chazzer_]

I didnt say it was a strict close combat weapon i said "close-mid" the accuracy was not a problem in the last version and i could make mid range kills, now however it is more difficult to make mid range kills because you have to hit over half your clip because of the decreased damage, so i do not understand why they chose to improve the accracy while taking away the advantages the weapon had before. ie short reload and reasonable damage. This is now the only non one hit kill weapon in the game which takes over half a clip to make a kill.

[kalatix]

Well, I'm an avid ruger user and I've notice that since 1.4, mp5 users are a lot less of a threat. It used to be that I could take down most players no problem unless they were using a:
1) Steyr
2) mp5
3) Minimi
In order from most to least threatening. Since a lot less people have been using the mp5 and I've gotten less of a chance to encounter them. But it really does seem that it throws that balance of power out of... well, balance. It's good that every weapon has a few other weapons that are the bane of it's existence. Keeps people on their toes.

So I think that the mp5 should have some of it's reload and damage back, but maybe keep the bink. Keep it fair

[The Specialist]

Its actually very easy for me to get kills when I'm using the HK-MP5.  It has a high rate of fire and does quite a bit of damage for each bullet shot.