MP5 Ruined?

[Thyr]

Well, the MP5 pretty much always had a high rate of fire, it used to do quite a bit MORE  damage for each bullet shot though

The main problem is simply that the MP5 pretty much lost its function as a halfway balanced close/mid-range weapon, because the Spas simply excels it in pretty much every category, even with its own benefits (boost etc.) - the MP5 isn't a bad weapon at all, its just too weak in comparison.

[ion1chaos]

I totally agree...I used to use the MP5 all the time..on every map. Maybe that's not the smartest thing to do..but that's not the point. I used to be able to make it at least into the top 3 before. Now, I'm coming with an MP5 and I'm getting slaughtered. I actually get a fractional kill to death ratio

[chazzer_]

I used to aim to get a 3:1 kill to death ratio on every game with the MP5 now im just managing 2:1. However, with oher weapons im topping 3:1 such as the Aug and the Ak-74 in this version on public servers. The changes made to the MP5 make the weapon totally ineffective  in almost every situation beacuse of the lower damage and increased reload time, the fast rate of fire means nothing if your not doing any damage to your target. The reload time as now almost the same as a Aug which has a longer range and does greater damage and the same clip size.

[#38]

i don't understand why they made minimi and mp5 so much weaker. if anything, people complained against m79..... there weren't that many people who used those two weapons in 1.3, and not many (if any) complained about them.

[JonWood007]

I wouldnt say that the Mp5 has been RUINED. it was definitely nerfed, but it is still a decent weapon. I am quite unhappy about how the autos were nerfed in this version. Especially the AK. What was wrong with them the way they were? Nothing. I'm disappointed in how the autos were changed. If anything, they needed to be made stronger in order to compete with the 1 hit kill weapons.

[General Meevious]

The "one hit kill weapons" you speak of, do they include LAW, Knife, Saw and Barret? Because even the underpowered HK can deal with those no problem... the only one hit kill weapon i'd be worried about is the m79.

[MoRdReT]

MP5 is now very poor weapon.. It was one of the best and I used it very often but now SOCOM is better then MP5

[ChromedGun]

Heh, I no longer "fear" the MP5 when I see it. If I see someone running about using it, I'll be like "Nah nothing to worry about, just kill him, I'll survive with 90% HP", it's true every time too. Before in the days of 1.3.1 MP5 could blow me to french fries.

[Decaying Soldat]

Yeah... The longer reload time sucks, too. Where the heck do you get time to reload during a close combat??!!

The spas is now the only reliable close combat gun.

[NinjaGimp369]

To me, it's not that much of a change and I only use the mp5 on really small maps.

[chazzer_]

On really small maps everyone usually switches to the shotgun. I stick with the MP5 and start shooting them from accross the map which is about as effective as slapping them in 1.4 by the time we meet the only option left is to nade and run. The shotguns range is similar to that of an MP5 it now has a high rate of fire and kills in two shots easy. The MP5 is supposed to be an offencive weapon, for getting in close and killing quickly, the reduced damage and increased reload time render it useless in this version, it didnt need to be changed noboday complained about it so why such a massive change?

[JonWood007]

Well Ive been fooling around with the MP5 on maps and the problem is the new antispray system (along with its already short range). The MP5 was never a long distance weapon, but the new system made it even weaker. Its not the damage in itself, when compared to the other autos the damage is fine. It has 101 (I think), compared to 110 or so for the AK, 85 for the Minimi, and 73 for the AUG. So its DAMAGING enough. It just loses its power far too quickly. In 1.3.1, I found the MP5 to be better than the AUG on small maps, however, now I find the AUG to be better all around. And its damage is like 28 less than the MP5. Unfortunately, somehow the MP5 does less damage than the AUG, although the MP5 is technically stronger. As I said, I think the bullets lose strength too fast, at very short range (less than 5 meters), I find the MP5 to be great, but past that it starts stinking. I like the 1.3.1. autos better (and the weapon balance in general).

[6th_account]

Don't stare yourself blind at the stats. A bullet's strength isn't measured by the Damage attribute alone.

[Thyr]

Its also based on the bullet speed

[JonWood007]

And thats what I am saying. The AUG only has like 73% of the MP5's strength, yet I find the AUG to be superior in many ways. I think the MP5 could use more bullet speed or something.

[chazzer_]

No bacause that would affect the path of the bullets, it doesnt need more bullet speed it just needs the damage back at the very least and lowereing the reload time would be a sensible thing to do with a close combat weapon. The shotgun can be partially reloaded if there i not enough time to fully reload in combat while in 1.4 they increased the reload speed of the MP5 for no aparrent reason and make it useless as a close combat weapon.

[ChromedGun]

I wonder who thought it was a smart and great idea to increase reload in close fighting. Like Decaying Soldat said, how do you get the time? It shouldn't have been increased, a decrease would rather be a step in the right direction I say.

[Psycho]

mp5 was my weapon of choice in 1.3.1 but now it is steyr

[chazzer_]

I wonder who thought it was a smart and great idea to increase reload in close fighting. Like Decaying Soldat said, how do you get the time? It shouldn't have been increased, a decrease would rather be a step in the right direction I say.

There was no need for any change before a decrease in time would have made the weapon too powerful as it already had the fastest reload speed. Now however i agree you just dont have time to reload in the middle of close combat.

mp5 was my weapon of choice in 1.3.1 but now it is steyr

I agree it was my weapon of choice in 1.3.1 but ive been forced to change first to the steyr then the more accurate AK both of which are longer range which has forced me to change the way i play. Now instead of getting in close I am forced to keep my distance as the only effective close combat weapon is the shotgun which in this version is overpowered.

[Psycho]

yeah, if someone is above you on a medium distance, the mp5 bullets won't hurt the guy much.
I liked the mp5 as it was. Sometimes I was outgunned by steyr/ak sometimes I outgunned them. Was a nice balance