Why did they nerf the AK?

[JonWood007]

The AK was a great weapon in 1.3.1. Now it stinks. Same with all of the other autos (minus AUG). Why did they nerf the autos? if anything, they needed to be made stronger in order to compete with the M79 and barrett. Theyre really more overpowered than the AK ever was.

[#38]

well steyr got stronger. ak....supposebly is stronger, except that MM either doesn't care or just doesn't want us to do the click-shoot, click-shoot. (yea, well don't give me the "ooh you can still do that!" thing. i'd rather that my shots do more damage and more accurate than faster, and less precise)

mp5 got major nerfed. minimi got nerfed too. two weapons that were both somewhat underused mostly

[Commander Kitsune]

The weapons only as good as the user.

I find the new AK far better.

[#38]

i HATE it when some smug comes in and says something like

the weapons only as good as the user.

CHILL. damn

[Commander Kitsune]

It's only true. Just because you are great with one weapon and blow with the other doesn't mean it's nerfed/underpowered.

[6th_account]

In 1.3.1 the autos were overpowered in the clanworld, as were 1-hit killers.

Ak's problem was it's sprayability in that it could fire high-damage rounds for long durations. It was a change made inbetween 1.3->1.3.1 that backfired.
In 1.4 the damage was lowered, but the fire rate increased a bit more to compensate, at the same time dealing with the clip's lastability.

[chazzer_]

No its not because people are great with one weapon doesnt mean they "blow" with others, and how is reducing the ammount of damage and increasing the reload time of a very balanced weapon in 1.31, eg the MP5, not making it underpowered? -3 damage +10 reload... The damage or the reload time needs to be given back to this weapon and the general damage of autos (-Aug) should be increased to compeat with the likes of the shotgun and ruger.

[#38]

i agree, chazzer. masters of mp5 will still be able to sack your ass in every game, but that doesn't mean the weapon is not overnerfed. of course saying "weapons are only as good as its user" is right. but it's the way you said it.
bill gates could enter a room and say "i'm richer than all of you stupid *****es", and he would be right, but the way he said it would piss people off

we were talking about how majority or at least enough of the original ak users liked the way it operated. it was an auto, but it was also used in a more "every shot" counts, long range support kinda way if you know what i'm getting at. now it's damage lowered, arc increased, speed increased made it much less unique.

it's still usable, and still serves as one of my most used weapon, but it's not the ak it used to be.

To all beta testers or whatever: i've been wanting to say this for centuries. it seems like the few of you guys have decided that minimi is overpowered, mp5 is overwhelming. yet the majority of the players never complained against those two. in fact, minimi was one of the most underused weapon because of the slow speed and reload, even if it had a long clip. I truly believe if soldat was made more of a democratic republic community where the majority's player's wishes were at least considered or valued, instead of what the "chosen few elites" thought was appropriate, the game would be much more appreciated.

and please...don't flame me for saying my opinion. why can't everyone just state each's opinion and talk intelligently?

[{depth}shaman]

don't even get me started here. The AK had a niche due to its long range super precise character. Every shot did count because it fired slow. Making it fire fast made it just like every other auto, so now there's one less category of weapon. It used to be autos fell into 3 categories: long range sprayer (minigun, steyr), in your face offensive auto (Mp5) and long range accurate support (AK, minime). SInce Ak is a joke now and minime is innaccurate as hell and does less damage, there's only two categories: long range sprayers (steyr, minime, AK, minigun) all the fucking same, and in your face look cool but does zip damage joke gimp auto (MP5). Nice switch. Every auto feels the same. You might as well have removed weapons from the game. Steyr AK and minime are all the on the same gradient. Poke your head into a pub. Look at the kill list on the side. M79 owning? maybe that's because there's no accurate long range autos. Shoot and land a few shots that do a ridiculously low amount of damage while the m79er gets close. Then bam you're dead if you can't dodge like peter pan. great improvement guys!

[6th_account]

we were talking about how majority or at least enough of the original ak users liked the way it operated. it was an auto, but it was also used in a more "every shot" counts, long range support kinda way if you know what i'm getting at. now it's damage lowered, arc increased, speed increased made it much less unique.

In every version except 1.3.1, this is how the Ak operated. I have no recollection at all on complaints that Ak was too similar to the other guns prior to 1.3.1. Also the arc wasn't changed.

i've been wanting to say this for centuries. it seems like the few of you guys have decided that minimi is overpowered, mp5 is overwhelming. yet the majority of the players never complained against those two.

This version had a lot of influence from the clan world. It's not so much a few peoples' opinions. More like a few hundreds' of the best who know how to use a weapon to it's full extent.

[#38]

majority of the soldat population isn't going to play 10 hours straight a day to practice "to its full extent." I thought the game was supposed to be enjoyable to all players.

but that's not what i was going to say, if ak and minimi are too powerful in skilled hands, why can't you boost mp5 and steyr to deal more damage or some other buff so it'll match up to its power. instead of making every gun weaker and weaker untill all guns lose their individuality and every weapon become one and the same.

haven't you noticed the autos this version, like depth have said all are losing their individuality. minimi is weaker, faster, but nerfed much more. mp5 lost it's fast reload, and the damage went down as well. ak became weaker, and faster, (aka. more steyr like).

[6th_account]

I said "a lot of influence", not "all of it's ..". Every change made was considered how it would affect both clan wars and crowded publics.

As for the other stuff I pong that to your own thread which I posted in.

[SpiltCoffee]

So how much consideration was there over the Minimi? In comparison, the Minigun could make more kills.

[SDFilm]

we were talking about how majority or at least enough of the original ak users liked the way it operated. it was an auto, but it was also used in a more "every shot" counts, long range support kinda way if you know what i'm getting at. now it's damage lowered, arc increased, speed increased made it much less unique.

In every version except 1.3.1, this is how the Ak operated. I have no recollection at all on complaints that Ak was too similar to the other guns prior to 1.3.1. Also the arc wasn't changed.

i've been wanting to say this for centuries. it seems like the few of you guys have decided that minimi is overpowered, mp5 is overwhelming. yet the majority of the players never complained against those two.

This version had a lot of influence from the clan world. It's not so much a few peoples' opinions. More like a few hundreds' of the best who know how to use a weapon to it's full extent.

So you are saying that you didn't just get advise from Ruger/Deagle players!? You actually asked and respected the opinions of people that regularly use the Minimi?

[NinjaGimp369]

I find the new AK far better.

Yeh, if they did nerf it, I like it a lot better.

[Decaying Soldat]

M79ers are a problem to the autos, but I wouldn't worry about snipers. The AK and Minimi does a good job in binking from long distances, you know...

[Magic Odd Effect]

don't even get me started here. The AK had a niche due to its long range super precise character. Every shot did count because it fired slow. Making it fire fast made it just like every other auto, so now there's one less category of weapon. It used to be autos fell into 3 categories: long range sprayer (minigun, steyr), in your face offensive auto (Mp5) and long range accurate support (AK, minime). SInce Ak is a joke now and minime is innaccurate as hell and does less damage, there's only two categories: long range sprayers (steyr, minime, AK, minigun) all the ****ing same, and in your face look cool but does zip damage joke gimp auto (MP5). Nice switch. Every auto feels the same. You might as well have removed weapons from the game. Steyr AK and minime are all the on the same gradient. Poke your head into a pub. Look at the kill list on the side. M79 owning? maybe that's because there's no accurate long range autos. Shoot and land a few shots that do a ridiculously low amount of damage while the m79er gets close. Then bam you're dead if you can't dodge like peter pan. great improvement guys!

Agreed.

The anti-spray system also got rid of the long range support category. Now you can't keep the enemy suppressed from as far away.

[JonWood007]

Yeah, thats the problem with the MP5. Its good at really short range but its bullets lose their sting too fast. Although it still has over 100 damage, I find the AUG to be a far superior weapon although it has 73 damage. Im starting to get a handle on the new AK but I still wish it wasnt nerfed. I think that the developers were trying to do was get rid of the random sprayers. Unfortunately its nerfed the autos a little too much (save the AUG, which still rocks).

Also, as I said, we need more powerful autos. This just made the M79 an even better weapon, and it was already too powerful in 1.3.1. IMO.

[waynechriss]

I dunno, I think the AK has it's nice tweaks and whistles. No problem here for me. The rate of fire is a tad low, but I figured that's normal for a gun of it's calibur.

[#38]

I dunno, I think the AK has it's nice tweaks and whistles. No problem here for me. The rate of fire is a tad low, but I figured that's normal for a gun of it's calibur.

you have NO clue what this whole conversation is about. PLEASE read the posts before you give out your opinions.

we LIKED it when it was slower but more precise and deal more damage.