They nerfed the wrong side of the m79!

[Storm]

Hey all!

Too bad I just noticed my forum account was removed for some reason.
Anyways, I started playing Soldat in 2005 when I was introduced to [sG] which will ring some bells here I guess. I only played for about a year and quit because the clan fell apart, and Soldat was near to death.

One month ago, I came back and saw everything was living up again! New players, new maps and..a new version coming up. I was used to play 1.3.0. and 1.3.1 (And even one in the 1.2 series I believe). I'm an M79 player which uses it in any way a good M79 player would use it..from a distance.

I just hate it when people first tell you you're a m79 noob, and after I ask them for a duel and win them, they think again about the noob thing. The most sucky thing atm is that at some moments it's true! This all due to 1.4.0. I cannot shoot from very far anymore unless I run like hell.

The programmers of Soldat nerfed the wrong side of the M79. To be honest, I don't have a solution of what to nerf. The thing you shouldn't nerf is the distance. It's crucial for a good m79 player to shoot over edges from a long distance to surprise the enemy. And now with those bullets from Star Wars people can easily dodge them. The speed is decreased too, another reason why it's sucky now.

Self-damage could solve the problem, but then the spas should be nerfed more because boosting with the m79 won't be possible anymore too. It's difficult I see myself, but nerfing it this way doesn't prevent noobs from running to you and firing it right in your face.. I had it myself and I hate it as much as non-m79 users. Please think again before you say m79 noob again, since it's nerfed already, and real m79 players are decreasing since other weapons own us easily now.

Noobs: Stop using it from close range, and learn some real m79'ing! Or start using a different weapon if you don't want to get skills in the m79.

Pro's: Think twice before calling someone a m79 noob. It really sucks if you join any game and people call you that way. Some people appreciate it, and I appreciate other people's weapon since it's their choice, and the weapons aren't in the game for nothing. Pick something you like, and play with it. People just have to respect it if you use it in a proper way.

Hopefully I cleared some stuff out, and the m79 will be fun to play again. I'm off to bed now, 0:45 at the Netherlands now and I got school tomorrow >.<

Gnite all! I'll see the replies tomorrow :-)

Greets,

Storm, clanleader of |xR|
http://www.stormdesigns.nl/xr

[a-4-year-old]

Really, the M79 sucks? Because all i see in a public server are these two possible setups

all m79s
a mix of autos and desert eagles

The m79s are way more common, the m79 is an easy weapon to use, and if the opponent is predictable then you can get a nice skill shot from a bit of a distance but I find my shots always landing on people and not killing them, when MM (the only programmer btw) fixes that bullshit then my eyes and my computer will stop trying to trick me.

Trying to balance the m79 is a lost cause, make the autos do some fucking damage and they have a shot, I remember in 1.2.1 taking out "barrettards" with an ak47 that is the real problem.

If I ever get killed by an auto, it is because a grenade should have killed me but just barely left me alive, or someone else weakened me significantly, you can escape an auto user before they get down any more then %50 health, that is a real problem considering there are a lot of autos in this game, it really narrows down your choices, which is why I think so many people go m79.

[6th_account]

I cannot shoot from very far anymore unless I run like hell.

Troo. This is what causes the nawbs to use the M79 for rushing. Perhaps it's restricted it even more to that job in 1.4 since the extra shell speed added from the player's velocity consists even more of the shell's maximum speed.

There are two proven solutions for balancing the M79, making it less favourable for noobs, and more suitable for pros.

One is to drastically buff all the other weapons, making M79 weaker in comparison. Thus potentially allowing for increased speed- and less bink attributes on the M79.
- Rejected by beta testing crew :<

The other one is to make the shell independent from the player's velocity, as in pre-1.2 versions, making the shell's speed constant. This will not increase the weapon's range and speed the faster the player is moving. Thus potentially allowing for increased speed- and less bink attributes on the M79.
- Rejected by MM :<

How we gonna fix this now?

[Twistkill]

Reload, maybe?

[6th_account]

What would that do? Nawbers would still pull off the same shots, and pros wouldn't. It'd only make the gun more boring to use, which is a bad way to balance it. :Q

[Twistkill]

What would that do? Nawbers would still pull off the same shots, and pros wouldn't. It'd only make the gun more boring to use, which is a bad way to balance it. :Q

Eh, I suppose so, but it's the only thing I can think of. You've pretty much exhausted all possible solutions to the M79 issue, and I therefore cannot suggest anything else.

[6th_account]

My point exactly. None with power (except me, moahhaha!!) wants to fix this weapon. They're all like Hitlers waiting for a miracle solution to arrise. Therefore it will continue being an over-nerfed overpowered pain in the arse in 1.4.1 too.

[a-4-year-old]

but if the other weapons don't suck then it won't be so bad.

[SirJamesaford]

Im not a fan of one shots so if u use them and dont like them then im happy.

[Twistkill]

Im not a fan of one shots so if u use them and dont like them im happy.

Why would we want to use weapons we don't like?

[a-4-year-old]

Im not a fan of one shots so if u use them and dont like them im happy.

you sir make no sense.

[SirJamesaford]

i meant that since i hate those guns i am happy that the people that like them arent happy... point being, if the m79ers hate the m79 then good.

How does that make no sense?

Im happy that they arent happy.

O never mind i typed it wrong... sorry i had like 100 things loaded... no reason to be a dick.

[Twistkill]

i meant that since i hate those guns i am happy that the people that like them arent happy... point being, if the m79ers hate the m79 then good.

How does that make no sense?

Im happy that they arent happy.

Well, the point is that if someone's using the M79 then they obviously like it. If they hated it, then they wouldn't be using it now, would they?

You edited after this post, sorry. Let's continue the discussion of attempting to balance the M79, although 6th_account's pretty sure we've exhausted everything.

[SirJamesaford]

Storm said he used it and didnt like how they nerfed it.  Besides i use weapons i dont like all the time... Certain situations call for a speacial type of gun.  For example, tunnels.  I cant bring my aug in a tunnel and stand a chance so i have to use the hk or the shotgun.

[mxyzptlk]

How about more noticeable bink?

[a-4-year-old]

How about more noticeable bink?

definitely not. it doesn't have the range to be any good with a lot of bink.

[mxyzptlk]

Right, reason to give it more distance to make the pros happy and the noobs crying "OMFG BINK!!!!!!1!"

[Storm]

Wow, alot of replies yet o.0

I remember that it was possible to surprise people by the speed, range and less visible bullets of the m79. Reload doesn't add anything to it, and I even think the reload speed is perfect now. You can think twice about where your next shot is going to be because of that. The timing can be perfect.

The only thing that really really annoys me are nice edges in let's say; Ratcave! I can't make those shots anymore simply because the range is fucked! Hopefully MM like you people call him will be able to make an ultimate balance (which is damn hard).

Nerfing weapons suck, maybe you should just improve other weapons to equal other ones.
A friend of mine used the AK alot, and had to switch to another gun because it's too nerfed now. A ruger was the alternative. Now I see alot of posts that the ruger is nerfed. Soon no-one will be able to use the gun he was allways used to play with.

[sai`ke]

The effectiveness of a weapon depends very strongly on the map you're playing. Especially with projectile weapons, which are great for large open spaces! I've actually been considering loading a special ini file for each map on my own server.

Also, I don't see a problem with the m79. You get basically get one shot, if you miss you lose (usually).

[General Meevious]

Perhaps MM should change the source so that M79 shells do more damage the further away they are.