The Realistic Ruger

[Cato269]

Ruger is accuatly fine imo. I find it rather very easy to kill ruger users in R/S with the deagles. Once they miss once, they are basicly gone.

[JonWood007]

The ruger is WAY overpowered in realistic. I mean, its basically a faster firing barret. The only thing that can stop you is lag (which stops the barret too). It needs less power. Seriously.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Think about it this way.  The AK can probably kill with 4 bullets in realistic mode.  That's 10 kills per clip (5 accounting for bad accuracy).  The ruger, on the other hand get 4 kills per clip (2).  This is like the normal M79.  Sure, it gets a kill in one hit, but at the pace of realistic mode, that's about all it's good for before you die.

[I_AM_GOD]

realistic mode u'd still have to hit, and the sprayers also have a huge advantage so NO, its not overpowered. I>rugers in real mode with auto most of the time... see they cant.... well aim!

[777uk]

a lot of players think its hard to use the ruger and so say that its not over-powered because you have to aim well, but once you get used to it, its a very easy weapon to use. its not uncommon for a ruger user to be top of the scoreboard repeatedly

if it really was balanced why is it by far the most used weapon on many realistic servers?

it is overpowered in my opinion, maybe lowering the clip capacity to single shot but with reload like spas might be an idea

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

if it really was balanced why is it by far the most used weapon on many realistic servers?

For the same reason the M79 is popular on normal servers.  People like a one-hit kill weapon, even if they're no good with it.

it is overpowered in my opinion, maybe lowering the clip capacity to single shot but with reload like spas might be an idea

What exactly do you mean here?  Any gun with a single shot clip reloads like a spas: any time after you've fired, you can press r to load another shot.  Or are you saying that once it's fired, it doesn't reload until the player presses the key?  Either way, it's fine the way it is.  Stop complaining.

[5th_account]

Why should he "stop complaining?" It's a fair opinion.

[777uk]

sorry, i shouldve described it better

i meant like changing it so it would be more like the Ruger No. 1 in that it can fire only one shot before it has to be reloaded (which it would do automatically because the clip capacity would be 1). was thinking along the lines of a relatively short reload time of about 50

i guess the ruger being overpowered or not depends on the kind of games you play
for example in ctf its a lot more difficult to attack with a ruger because theres often more than 4 enemys near the flag and it would be unlikely youd get them all, but in something like inf when bravo has to defend they can sit around somewhere high and pick you off with relative ease

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

It's a fair opinion.

Actually, it's not.  Here's why:

a lot of players think its hard to use the ruger and so say that its not over-powered because you have to aim well, but once you get used to it, its a very easy weapon to use.

Flawed logic.  This applies to every weapon.

its not uncommon for a ruger user to be top of the scoreboard repeatedly

This argument is flawed as well, mainly because of the nature of realistic mode.  If you have several people using the ruger, at least one of them is probably going to be skilled.  Naturally, he'll do better than the other players.  If you have one person using the ruger, he'll either do well with it (skilled, deserving of first place) or will find it's not working out for him and will change weapons.  I know what you're going to say: "But didn't you say in another thread that people stick to the M79 because, even if they miss most of their shots, the ones they hit will count as kills?" It's not quite the same as the M79, because every gun can kill in 2-4 hits.  In normal mode, the guns that are that powerful have a short range or a long delay between shots (relatively), like the deagles, shotgun, and ruger.  If you miss, the target will be out of range or able to hit you much faster than you can hit them.  However, in realism mode, you can kill quickly, and even if you miss, retries come a lot faster (autos).  The target is also likely to be damaged (from hitting the ground, friendly fire, or one of the many other hazards in realism mode), so a kill is that much easier.  Remember my M79 catch phrase? "Different situations require different tactics."  The same is true here.  A one-hit kill, no matter what the reload is, might be desirable in normal mode, but since kills come so much easier in realism mode, it's not quite as big of a deal.  People will find that unless they're good with the ruger, it's much more efficient to use other weapons.

if it really was balanced why is it by far the most used weapon on many realistic servers?

For the same reason the M79 is popular on normal servers.  People like a one-hit kill weapon, even if they're no good with it.  Also, you're not exactly helping your point.  As more people use the ruger, the likelihood increases that one of them will be at the top.

Why should he "stop complaining?"

I told him to stop complaining because his opinions were based on foolish or flawed assumptions.  Think about it.  If your first point applies to any situation (not just the one you're complaining about), and if your third point refutes your second point (which is the case here), the argument isn't very well thought through.

Date Posted: February 21, 2007, 02:21:26 PM

i guess the ruger being overpowered or not depends on the kind of games you play
for example in ctf its a lot more difficult to attack with a ruger because theres often more than 4 enemys near the flag and it would be unlikely youd get them all, but in something like inf when bravo has to defend they can sit around somewhere high and pick you off with relative ease

Again, that's the same with any weapon.  The M79, for example, is pretty bad in DM, since everyone is your enemy, and you're very likely to get killed while reloading (maybe even before you get your first shot off).  And the same applies to any situation, really.  The ruger has a distinct advantage in Trenchwars and maps like LaGrange, since it's easy to aim at people with no jet power.  The shotgun is great on Ash and Death, but is pretty useless on Run and B2b.  The MP5 is great if there are barreters around, but M79s and Ak-74s are likely to defeat them.  The chainsaw is great in Kampf and Equinox bases, but almost anywhere else it's an easy kill for enemies.

I can understand if you had a bad experience with rugers at times, but that happens to everyone with almost any weapon.  However, that doesn't make the guns overpowered.

[Shadow G-Unit]

realistic enough to me...

[777uk]

First off, I wasn't complaining I was merely stating how the Ruger 77 comes across to me (strangely enough what the original poster actually wanted.) Also I myself was (and sometimes still is) a Ruger user so my opinion is not based on being repeatedly killed with it or as because of "bad experience" (as you seem to have concluded)

What I meant (and should've described better) was that ideally the weapons would be balanced allowing for a wider variety in player's weapons choices. My reference to often having a Ruger user at the top of the scoreboard repeatedly was also along these lines in that the Ruger has increased in popularity due to it being  1-2 hit kill. What I was merely wondering 'out-loud' was if the Ruger was truly balanced and not over-powered, why has it increased in popularity so rapidly and possibly even gone so far as to overshadow some of the other weapons?

Also I'd also like to say that I like your style of discussion. The "Agree with me or your opinion is not valid" logic has worked well for countless dictators, however I would appreciate it if things were kept civil from now on rather than merely telling people to "stop complaining". Foolishly I thought that a forum was meant for discussion. I apologise for my mistake.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Also I'd also like to say that I like your style of discussion. The "Agree with me or your opinion is not valid" logic has worked well for countless dictators, however I would appreciate it if things were kept civil from now on rather than merely telling people to "stop complaining". Foolishly I thought that a forum was meant for discussion. I apologise for my mistake.

I believe I gave a logical justification of my comment.  Your opinion wasn't valid because of how you supported it.  I have nothing against that particular point of view, but your argument was a poor one.

[Ziem]

Every weapon can be called 'overpowered' when its overused.
I used mp5 on realistic server. It ownz pretty well. Everyone using ruger is sprayed to death <or almost> when I rushed to enemy's base - it IS NOT overpowered <my opinion of course >
Somewhat less dmg's <like ~10 > to real rug will be ok - to stop ppl from whine :s

[sakae]

sigh you noobs... in a fight the ruger decide who will kill and who will die. agsint a good auto user the ruger have to hit hs (or torso?) to kill or else he will be dead before the next shot. it is maybe a ittle overpowerd. but Dealges is 1 hit kill too. so why dont you whine a little about it too? sigh get a gripp... some guns is superb in clsoe combat some are superb at long range soem are very good at both but still lose asgint the guns that is specialized at a special distance.