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Offline silverblade987

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Bots with flag don't shoot
« on: June 02, 2007, 10:11:37 am »
1. I searched for this and didn't see anything so....

2. Why is it that when I play CTF or INF offline, a bot on the other team that has taken my flag won't shoot at me? The only time that he will shoot at me is if I have their flag as well. Otherwise he'll just run away, and this makes it even easier to win on balanced teams.
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Offline Keron Cyst

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2007, 11:00:55 am »
That's why you play 5 vs. 10 and join the 5.

After I pestered MM a heck of a lot in this issue, he finally said that he purposely coded them this way, probably because if they got distracted all the way back to base, they would never cap :P (That's just what I'm assuming, since he forgot the actual reason)

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2007, 12:58:23 pm »
The bot would fire at you when you're playing Hold the Flag.


Offline Toumaz

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2007, 01:03:02 pm »
... yeah but the bot doesn't need to move to a specific position in HTF.

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2007, 01:05:08 pm »
MM really needs to configure it so that when you see an enemy bot with your flag, he'll actually attempt to kill you.  Its just boring and too easy to have games with bots right now.

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2007, 01:09:25 pm »
Did you even read what I posted?

He coded flag-carrying bots to not attack purposely. If they fought like all other bots, they would never cap the flag because they would be too busy fighting and dying on the way all the time. It in fact could also be more difficult, since you would have to rifle through enemy troops as you chase the FC.

The best remedy for this would be to suggest that bots maintain their waypoints while attacking, which I recommended some months ago.

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2007, 01:14:32 pm »
Its better than not shooting their targets at all.

Offline Toumaz

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2007, 01:16:49 pm »
So it would be better that they killed an enemy or two than focusing on capping? You make no sense.

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2007, 01:24:47 pm »
It would be better if they would go through the waypoints and shoot, not caring about actual combat (Chasing enemies and stuff)

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2007, 01:31:53 pm »
The best thing would be they sue some sort of supressive fire on the enemies while still capping the flag  as you already said. But would that be a hard thing to do?

Offline Dev1200

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 07:15:09 pm »
The bot would then start shooting at you, and go into "kill mode"  and forget about "cap mode".  It will then stop, kill that one person, THEN cap.  There isn't an in-between setting ;]

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2007, 12:34:00 am »
unless the bot could fire while running backwards, this is a silly idea for ctf and inf, but a bot with a flag in HTF should move about as normal, the bots should treat the yellow flag as a rambo bow.

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2007, 04:26:34 pm »
I strongly support what Keron had suggested.  In other games such as Quake III Arena, the bots behavior when capturing the flag is similar to what Keron has described.  I'll describe it here completely. 

The bot will follow the path system for it to reach the opposing team's flag.  Once the bot has captured the flag, he or she will use another path system to return to its own base to score.  If the bot encounters an enemy team member, the bot will continue the the path to score but it'll turn around or run backwards to fire at its enemy.

It would really help if the A.I. in Soldat was more like this.  The game-play will be more challenging and it will be drastically improved.

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2007, 05:01:03 pm »
I support what The Specialist said.

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2007, 05:07:36 pm »
Someone should ask Michal about this suggestion.

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2007, 06:16:07 pm »
lol, that's exactly what I posted earlier up:
Did you even read what I posted?

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The best remedy for this would be to suggest that bots maintain their waypoints while attacking, which I recommended some months ago.

The first sentence fits :P And I had told him already, weeks ago. He doesn't have the time for it.

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2007, 07:30:26 pm »
I don't blame him.  He has already spent too much time repairing Soldat with its bugs/lags.

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Re: Bots with flag don't shoot
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2007, 12:57:07 am »
Isnt this game more or less made for online play? Thats why the AI isnt the best. This game is made to play with people, not bots so much, if you look at the description of the game, it says an online multiplayer 2d shooter.
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