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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2007, 08:43:03 pm »
The price of Mac computers are ridiculously expensive.  You can buy like 2 or even 3 Dells for the same price of one normal Mac computer.

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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2007, 09:04:09 pm »
The price of Mac computers are ridiculously expensive.  You can buy like 2 or even 3 Dells for the same price of one normal Mac computer.
But you won't buy a dell though, cause they phail.

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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2007, 09:12:49 pm »
Or any other kind of Windows running computer.

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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2007, 02:49:51 am »
They're expensive because you're paying for the brand name. Macs, despite what they'd try to convince you, are just another computer, and if you really want the worthless OS, there's certainly methods of questionable legality to obtain and run it.

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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2007, 02:25:36 am »
I've had to use macs for my elementary school for 3 years.....and there's nothing special about them. They suck actually. I'd rather use Windows. Crashed on me 4 times, froze like 10 times and this is on a Mac with OSX. Yay.

I don't usually ever get into discussions about computers, cause to me, a computer's a computer. But I did hear that apparently Macs can't get viruses, is that true?

My new MacBook is great.  And the old G4 I've had for three years never had a virus.
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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2007, 02:34:24 am »
All apple products fail in comparison to the other brands.

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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2007, 02:49:45 am »
I just don't see why people don't want macs.  I can understand if you can't afford them (as if they're that much more expensive) but other than that, with the ability to run windows on an intel mac, the reason to get a PC is....?
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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2007, 04:35:01 am »
I just don't see why people don't want macs. I can understand if you can't afford them (as if they're that much more expensive) but other than that, with the ability to run windows on an intel mac, the reason to get a PC is....?

Why should I get a Mac? PCs have much more games made for them, they can do everything and more than a Mac can (or I think so) and they're much more relyable than the 'blue screen of death' stereotype portrays them to be. Apparently Macs are great for movie making and other creative jobs with programs such as Final Cut Pro, but I've edited sound and movies on Windows and Macs to a professional standard in my time at collage and I haven't found any significant advantages for choosing one over the other, so I still don't know why Macs are supposed to be 'the designer's computer'.
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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2007, 06:49:23 am »
me and my friend discussed this

in the time it would take to start uo windows fully (all programs loaded) he could turn a mac on, and get a big lead on a project...


i was sold at my coisins MacBook pro. ive made up my mind

1. i hate how slow windows is

2. im not much of a gamer, most i play is soldat and wow every once in a while (and WoW works on mac)

3. windows is trying to copy mac (dashboard-mac and whatever vista has)

4. apples taste better than windows.

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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2007, 09:05:41 am »
in the time it would take to start uo windows fully (all programs loaded) he could turn a mac on, and get a big lead on a project...

Maybe you shouldn't have 60 different processes running.  Windows boots much faster if you trim down the startup list.

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"Macs and Mac users. Can't make it better? Put it in a fruity looking case! Why spend millions on research and development on new OS's or hardware that's truly better than your competition when you can spend much less and make it really different on the OUTSIDE and make smarmy "Switch" ads for TV? Welcome to the future! Same ****, new choice of colors. Enjoy your one button mouse and fifteen inch monitor! Upgrade? Don't be silly. Everything is already built in! That way, when you feel like you need a more powerful machine, you don't have the stress of swapping the processor and motherboard for a couple hundred bucks like on a PC. Instead, you spend a couple thousand more and simply throw away your old Mac like an old Dreamcast. Wow! Mac sure is EASIER (toss)! Your neighbors will think you're throwing away an artsy lamp from the 1960's. Not that you're really going to need to upgrade soon, since most Mac users I talk to say things like, "I don't understand PC users. How many word processors do you need?" That's the thing. Mac users think of a computer as a letter-writing machine, or at the most, a box that can run Photoshop and go on AOL and design their Geocities webpage. They've accepted the fact that less than 50% of the good PC games and applications make their way onto a Mac port before they're already old news on the PC. Looking over the game rack in the Mac section of Comp USA is like a Golden Oldies collection. "Hey, I remember Sim City! Back in high school I used to stay up late playing it and would be late for school the next day! Wow. That takes me back." Good games NEVER come out for the Mac first. This could actually contribute to Mac users' attitude that the inability to upgrade their video card, etc. is a non-issue. "Why would i want to do that? My video card is perfectly fine. I don't see why I'd need better graphics than I have right now for years to come." Granted, the Mac user that said this was in the midst of playing "American McGee's Alice" in 2004, which was released for the PC in 2000, and they described it as the most beautiful game they had ever seen. Mac users always complain about how PC's are "too complicated" or that they "don't work properly." Is it really a marketing point that your computer is easier to use for people who are too stupid to use a PC? "Oh my GOD! It just, like, bleepy-bleepy-bleepy der-stroyed the paper I was, like, working on! And, like, it ummmm.. like, sounded, like, so good too, because I'm ummm... like, a master of, like, verbal ummmmm... skills. And like, My Dad's computer-machine-box-thingy just like... DEVOURED it. It's like uhhh ................................................. .................... a bummer (Whew - for a second, I couldn't think of the right word). I mean, like... It couldn't possibly have been like, ummm because I deleted it, or like... ummmm.. I didn't save it after I made changes, or something, because uhhhhhhhhhh I'm.... umm... like smart. I'm Ellen Feiss, and I'm on Ketamine." Gee! It couldn't possibly be because the user is completely inept or that having far more configuration options would be inherently more problematic than shipping a whole computer from the factory with a "Warranty Void If This Seal Is Broken" sticker on it. Think of it as a Toyota Camry vs. a Racecar. The Camry is an all-in-one deal that is steady and reliable. A racecar is much more problematic, but much more configurable for better performance. "Windows PC's CRASH! HAHAHA!" They say it as though Macs NEVER crash or have errors. "Awwwww - it had a little boo-boo! That sucks, but I just can't stay mad at my Mac because he has that sweet little smiley face and a cute widdle turquoise case. Awwwww. Baby's so cute when he spits up!" Another amusing factor is that Mac thinks it's a selling point that their computers can EVEN run some Windows programs like Word and Excel. Mac users have also bragged to me that they can easily burn a cd in either Mac or PC format, as though it's some magical special ability, and not a NEEDED adjustment so Mac users can even joke about being compatible with the OTHER 99% of computers out there. You're PROUD because your product can (and needs to) EMULATE your competitor? "Switch to us, because we're the same!" If the greatest thing you can boast is that you can run your competition's software, isn't that the complete essence of defeat? What a great battle cry! "ME TOO!!!" It's a lot easier and requires a lot less courage and legitimate innovation than, "I'm Better." How many Mac programs are commonly used on PC's? The only one I can think of is Quicktime, and no, I don't think it's time to switch to Mac so it can run native. They want to play both sides of the coin. "We're the same! We're different!" "Think BETTER?" Nope. Just "Think Different." You should have something better to say than, "We're not like our hugely successful competitor. We're some OTHER company and our computers are DIFFERENT. And on the occasion that similarity would strengthen our marketing, we'll opt to say that we're THE SAME. Not better. Not more innovative. We're the OTHER company. Buy OUR'S because it's not THEIR'S." Mac users always joke about Microsoft's monopoly. Look in the mirror sometime. With Mac, not only do you have only one source for an OS, but you have only one source for HARDWARE. That makes Mac a far more monopolistic company than Bill Gates could ever dream of. If Bill Gates said that the only place you could buy a PC or an upgrade for one was from Microsoft, the federal government would eat him alive. That kind of monopoly has been Mac's business method since day one. 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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2007, 10:21:29 am »
I got to the second page, and I just had to post this.

I'd like to point out that even though "mac can run windows," you still have to have a copy of Windows installed for your machine to BOOT FROM. So, what it really means is, you can run Windows on a Mac-computer. Chalk one up for Microsoft, despite who made bootcamp.

Also, why the fuck would you buy another computer and then install Windows on it, and pay more for a computer that's about as good as the one you have now.

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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2007, 10:30:35 am »
Macs are expensive, especially when:
1. you can't upgrade them.
2. developers don't give a **** about mac users.

1. Wrong. You can upgrade some components of any new Mac (upgrade processor from a Core Duo to a Core 2 Duo, Apple sells extra RAM for their computers, etc.)

2. With Bootcamp, it doesn't even matter.


I'm running Windows right now because I kind of have to, but I still think Macs are great computers for any purpose.

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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2007, 10:35:11 am »
Macs are homo and crash like any other PC.

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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2007, 10:42:16 am »
Way to necropost it up guys <3


Anyway, there are lots of reasons to choose a 'PC' over a 'Mac'. I'd just like to point out that, no matter how much mac fanboys want to convince you otherwise, opening up a current mac and looking inside, you'll find everything a PC has. *Shock*, wait, a Mac is actually a PC, with a crappy OS, for like three times the price? Oh snap.

Plenty of people have pointed out that everything a mac does can be done on a PC, and that due to the upgradeable qualities of a PC, it can usually be done faster. As a music student in college I know for a fact that PCs and Macs have very little difference between them as far as music recording goes. True, they've become a sort of industry standard in recording studios for an unknown reason, but... that honestly doesn't mean anything.

For people talking about using bootcamp... I currently run on a Dual-Boot Ubuntu\XP system. Now it's all good and stuff in theory, but in practice it's much easier to just stay in the one more flexible OS than spend 10 minutes rebooting into Linux just to do something I could have done in XP. Don't get me wrong, Linux is an amazing OS and if I didn't have gaming needs I would stick with it permanently, but as it stands XP is just -way- more versatile.

Anyway, that's just my $0.02. Linux for stable working environment and anything but games and graphics design stuff (no photoshop : ( ), Mac for professional studio work (NONE of you are doing this, so...), and XP for everything else. XP also overlaps into Linux's and Mac's categories, so there's really no point to getting either one.

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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2007, 11:43:20 am »
My comment on those Mac vs PC commercials, who whould you want working on your computer, a kid in jeans or an office guy who is 40?
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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2007, 11:46:44 am »
Macs are expensive, especially when:
1. you can't upgrade them.
2. developers don't give a **** about mac users.

1. Wrong. You can upgrade some components of any new Mac (upgrade processor from a Core Duo to a Core 2 Duo, Apple sells extra RAM for their computers, etc.)

2. With Bootcamp, it doesn't even matter.


I'm running Windows right now because I kind of have to, but I still think Macs are great computers for any purpose.
the price tag on them (which have just recently been out because of Mac using Intels) can be double the price tag on windows upgrades.

This is why nobody has a Mac.
Mac is late. To everything.
1. Ipod was not the first mp3 player, and certainly one of the worst
2. Iphone was not even close to the first cell phone that can do things like OMG INTERNET
3. Mac is way late on getting PC game releases
4. Intel processors

1. Remeber rio? you probably don't because their marketing team had their heads up their asses, anyway they made some of the first real economical mp3 players, they didn't skip and ran on 1 AA battery, yeah, I have a rio 500 and the installation CD that only works with win 98. It was fucking great.

2. whoever bought an iphone is a total mac fanboy, Look at me! I can watch some of all the youtube videos that I have already seen on bigger and nicer screens! For 600 dollars! And I don't even have a "to do list" That and a 300 dollar phone that runs windows can do basically the same thing without the fingerprints, that is also old technology.

3. Games? I have actually seen one of those stupid Youtube videos boasting a "long" list of games, yeah, Duke nukem 3d ran on dos retard. DOS Besides, unless the developer actually bothered to port it well it is probably filled with bugs from the shotty "i want to suck more money out of people" port.

4. Apple really needs to shut up. They push away users when they do stupid things like "WE HAVE INTELS NOW" Yeah, about that... I already have an intel on a PC, Stop this nonsense about innovation when you were late to even getting the right click function and all you really did was make your mac even more of a pc by putting the same hardware inside.
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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #56 on: August 16, 2007, 11:49:50 am »

Anyway, that's just my $0.02. Linux for stable working environment and anything but games and graphics design stuff (no photoshop : ( ), Mac for professional studio work (NONE of you are doing this, so...), and XP for everything else. XP also overlaps into Linux's and Mac's categories, so there's really no point to getting either one.

Apparently Macs are great for movie making and other creative jobs with programs such as Final Cut Pro, but I've edited sound and movies on Windows and Macs to a professional standard in my time at collage and I haven't found any significant advantages for choosing one over the other, so I still don't know why Macs are supposed to be 'the designer's computer'.
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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2007, 02:04:20 pm »
Macs aren't worth the extra price tag. Full stop.

Windows didn't used to be as good as macos for use in industry.. now it has as much capability for a cheaper price.

And windows is more useful anyway, macs are for making photo albums and printing digital pictures...

PC's are for everything else.
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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2007, 05:04:28 pm »
Mac is late. To everything.
1. Ipod was not the first mp3 player, and certainly one of the worst
2. Iphone was not even close to the first cell phone that can do things like OMG INTERNET
3. Mac is way late on getting PC game releases
4. Intel processors

1. Remeber rio? you probably don't because their marketing team had their heads up their asses, anyway they made some of the first real economical mp3 players, they didn't skip and ran on 1 AA battery, yeah, I have a rio 500 and the installation CD that only works with win 98. It was ****ing great.

2. whoever bought an iphone is a total mac fanboy, Look at me! I can watch some of all the youtube videos that I have already seen on bigger and nicer screens! For 600 dollars! And I don't even have a "to do list" That and a 300 dollar phone that runs windows can do basically the same thing without the fingerprints, that is also old technology.

3. Games? I have actually seen one of those stupid Youtube videos boasting a "long" list of games, yeah, Duke nukem 3d ran on dos retard. DOS Besides, unless the developer actually bothered to port it well it is probably filled with bugs from the shotty "i want to suck more money out of people" port.

4. Apple really needs to shut up. They push away users when they do stupid things like "WE HAVE INTELS NOW" Yeah, about that... I already have an intel on a PC, Stop this nonsense about innovation when you were late to even getting the right click function and all you really did was make your mac even more of a pc by putting the same hardware inside.

1. Ask any sane person in the whole continent "Would you rather have an iPod or a Rio?", and you'll never hear "Rio". Come on, my friend's Rio takes 4 minutes to even start up. They don't use it much.

2. A decade-old phone that can run Windows with a 40 pixel screen. There's a word for that now: junk.

3. Well, the Nintendo Wii and the Xbox 360 can play old games, would you call them 'retarded'?

4. There's a lot of stuff that Windows doesn't have that Macs do. Stuff like All-In-One computers that actually work, and first-party programs people use more than once.



So please stop flaming the place, and accept the simple fact that Windows and Macs have their advantages and disadvantages.

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Re: The Apple urge.
« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2007, 05:20:52 pm »
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3. Well, the Nintendo Wii and the Xbox 360 can play old games, would you call them 'retarded'?

They can also play new ones...lots of new ones.