Author Topic: What Should I Do With This? (htf_Arsenal) (Read 5872 times)

The Specialist · « **on:** June 29, 2007, 08:52:51 pm »

Here is a basic beta of my next map "htf_Arsenal". I need some advice and suggestions on what should I do with this map. Feel free to comment on it.

Here is the overview:
http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=htfarsenalpy9.png

Wraithlike · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2007, 09:38:03 pm »

Ummmm, "what should I do with it," you ask. There's only one thing.

Finish the goddamned map. We don't need to see that you can make three moderately large, dualtone, uninteresting, mundane, fucking platforms. No one cares about it.

And you want advice? No one can give you real advice, because those three fucking platforms give the viewer absolutely no idea of what the map is like, no idea of the theme or style, and they better not be a reflection of the layout, because three platforms is not a good layout.

Blue-ninja · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2007, 09:54:56 pm »

Just put it in Rambo_6's Map Scrapyard.

Not sure what you meant to do with it, but change the texture to something multi-textured or better. Add some platforms and some constraints. Add a lot of green vegetations and give it a atmosphere and change the background color.

I know this sounds general, but your map is way too early to be given any advice on.

The Specialist · « **Reply #3 on:** June 30, 2007, 01:38:17 am »

Why don't you fuck off then Wraithlike.

Wraithlike · « **Reply #4 on:** June 30, 2007, 01:41:23 am »

Maybe I should "**** off", because giving you the advice you asked for is a definite reason to "**** off".

I gave you advice, I made a suggestion, and I felt free to comment on your map. You're the one who asked for it.

SirJamesaford · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2007, 03:02:19 am »

Quote from: Wraithlike on June 30, 2007, 01:41:23 am

Maybe I should "**** off", because giving you the advice you asked for is a definite reason to "**** off".

I gave you advice, I made a suggestion, and I felt free to comment on your map. You're the one who asked for it.

Jesus christ wraithlike u didnt have to be a dick about it...

GluLm · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2007, 08:44:42 am »

Well those platforms look ok for a start. You might get something done with those if you use pretty colours and a good layout (I love junglish colours hehehe).

Otherwise don't scold Wraithlike. He gave advices anyway, and everyone is free to express his opinions the way he wants. Specialist only gets what he deserves actually, as he's been an ass for the past few months. Now he seems to have calmed down a bit, but you know... acting haughty and stuffs never does good in the end. ;D

The Specialist · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2007, 12:45:41 pm »

He didn't have to be an ass when commenting on it.

urraka · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2007, 02:44:15 pm »

You should spend at least more than 5 minutes doing a map before asking this question. Feel free to use a timer.

PD: Yes, he had to.

Keron Cyst · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2007, 04:07:56 pm »

Wraithlike: consider this a verbal warning. As horrible as it may be to you, there was totally no need to also badmouth it off throughout your criticism. You're not scotch-free either, The Specialist; it was unnecessary to retaliate, as well, especially with a one-sentence trollish spam post as the response.

EDIT Plus, you'd be surprised with how effective 3 boulders can be

The Specialist · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2007, 05:06:08 pm »

At least someone has a positive attitude.

I've updated the map with a border and some additional shading.

http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=htfarsenalya2.png

Eagles_Arrows · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2007, 06:02:06 pm »

I think the map is too big; rescale it by 80% or something.

Plus, Keron's sketch offers a much better layout, which in turn offers more dynamic gameplay.

SirJamesaford · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2007, 06:11:05 pm »

I'f youve made more than 20 maps this is bad... if youve made less than that this is good. I'm not trying to be mean like wraithlike...

Blue-ninja · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2007, 06:20:44 pm »

I want the dl link and see it for myself. Maybe even add sceneries to it just to be helpful.

The Specialist · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2007, 07:49:19 pm »

The map isn't that large.Â It is best suitable for 4 or 5 per team.Â The screenshot makes it larger than it really is.

Also, this is only my 6th map, SirJamesaFord.

Wraithlike · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2007, 08:03:03 pm »

Quote from: Keron Cyst on June 30, 2007, 04:07:56 pm

Wraithlike: consider this a verbal warning. As horrible as it may be to you, there was totally no need to also badmouth it off throughout your criticism. You're not scotch-free either, The Specialist; it was unnecessary to retaliate, as well, especially with a one-sentence trollish spam post as the response.

EDIT Plus, you'd be surprised with how effective 3 boulders can be

Sorry about that. I wasn't saying it was horrible, but I simply beilive that this topic is mostly useless, because the only picture offered was a 5 minutes minimal effort job with no coloring, minimal shading, no scenery, Not even background colors. I don't really care about the warning, but I still believe that all I did was criticize his map, which he should have expected when he asked for people to comment on it.

Also, I realize that really good layouts can be made with a minimal number of platforms, but I had assumed that the level would be platform hopping, and not have a surrounding area. Which just attests to the fact that the initial picture of the map was overly vague.

And, now to comment on the new picture:
First, you should thicken the outer poly-layer, as they single layer is a bit too simple and doesn't look great. You should also make sure that the leftmost platform doesn't have polybugs, because you have a large number of verticies connecting at the same point. You should also do something to fill in the large amount of empty space in the upper left area. And most of all, you should establish some sort of theme for the map.

The Specialist · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2007, 09:55:39 pm »

I want to apologize for that Wraithlike, when I told you to "**** off".Â I did expect criticism to my map, but I didn't expect people to cuss and use language in it.Â I was already angry about something stupid that happened earlier that day at the U13 servers.Â Eitherway, thanks for the comment.

Wraithlike · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2007, 10:22:41 pm »

Quote from: The Specialist on June 30, 2007, 09:55:39 pm

I want to apologize for that Wraithlike, when I told you to "**** off".Â I did expect criticism to my map, but I didn't expect people to cuss and use language in it.Â I was already angry about something stupid that happened earlier that day at the U13 servers.Â Eitherway, thanks for the comment.

Haha, no worries, I was being a dick, because I was having a few personal problems with my special ladyfriend, which I'd rather not go into. But it was wrong to realease my anger at you. It's actually looking pretty good, but you should take Keron's layout into consideration, because he really knows his stuff.

The Specialist · « **Reply #18 on:** July 01, 2007, 04:38:05 pm »

I might create two versions of this map, with my original layout and then another with Keron's. I can't decide which one I want. Also, are they're any ideas of the theme of the map?

Eagles_Arrows · « **Reply #19 on:** July 01, 2007, 04:55:39 pm »

Quote from: The Specialist on July 01, 2007, 04:38:05 pm

I might create two versions of this map, with my original layout and then another with Keron's.Â I can't decide which one I want.Â Also, are they're any ideas of the theme of the map?

Since everything looks so gray so far, why not give it a "construction" theme? Complete with bulldozers, piles of rocks, support.bmps, and so on and so forth. Needs alot of scenery to pull it off, as well as some advanced shading, imo.

Keron Cyst · « **Reply #20 on:** July 01, 2007, 07:15:38 pm »

Actually, I was hoping he would either replace banana.bmp with a more biased texture, or adopt Arena-style coloring/shading

The Specialist · « **Reply #21 on:** July 01, 2007, 08:33:52 pm »

That's the whole point of this thread. I'm asking what should I do with it. What texture, or the theme. And also for this time, I'm trying not to make a map of default quality. I want to make something "spectacular".

haha · « **Reply #22 on:** July 02, 2007, 04:42:32 am »

this looks like 3D to me...on the rocks...eh if only all the secenery was like that

The Specialist · « **Reply #23 on:** July 02, 2007, 04:30:53 pm »

I've did a lot of updates to this map. I've changed the texture, added a background color, and added scenery.

Screenshot:
http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=htfarsenalod1.png

fireblade212 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 02, 2007, 09:46:26 pm »

cant wait to download

The Specialist · « **Reply #25 on:** July 02, 2007, 09:55:58 pm »

I just need to waypoint it and you can download a copy. Thanks for being a fan.

Keron Cyst · « **Reply #26 on:** July 02, 2007, 10:27:40 pm »

Those BG colors (probably the trees too) don't match well with kokos at all, my friend

Blue-ninja · « **Reply #27 on:** July 02, 2007, 10:34:59 pm »

Well, if you add green grasses to the top of those platforms, it can become a oasis to match the desert-like texture.

Keron Cyst · « **Reply #28 on:** July 02, 2007, 11:50:13 pm »

Hm. I guess, tho' I was never really a fan of htf_Desert...

Blue-ninja · « **Reply #29 on:** July 02, 2007, 11:57:23 pm »

VirtualTT's remake of Arena 3 was quite awesome.

The Specialist · « **Reply #30 on:** July 03, 2007, 12:51:09 am »

I hate that map "htf_Desert". If I had the power, I'd remove it myself and replace it with a better map.

Pie · « **Reply #31 on:** July 03, 2007, 08:48:23 am »

I just hope you would replace it with something other then this.
I can't even consider playing this, it seems unstructured which would make in unenjoyable.
You've made alot of progress with those three platforms, BUT three platforms only get you so far.
I suggest you draw out your mapping plan before you start, so you've got a basic layout.
There isnt nearly enough cover for people who spawn, spawnkilling will be a main way of geting kills.
There needs to be caves ect. things to make it harder for someone to jet across the map in one go and kill people who have just spawned.

But otherwise its good for a Deathmatch or team deathmatch but i could only imagine 2vs2 or 4vs4 but no higher.

The Specialist · « **Reply #32 on:** July 03, 2007, 02:51:25 pm »

Hold the Flag maps tend to be that way. There can be plenty of spawning, but the spawn points tend to be the most important thing in the Hold the Flag gamemode besides the layout.

Pie · « **Reply #33 on:** July 03, 2007, 06:54:59 pm »

Quote from: The Specialist on July 03, 2007, 02:51:25 pm

Hold the Flag maps tend to be that way. There can be plenty of spawning, but the spawn points tend to be the most important thing in the Hold the Flag gamemode besides the layout.

I forgot it was htf.
Meh i prefer DM anyway.

zyxstand · « **Reply #34 on:** July 04, 2007, 12:30:33 am »

how cute,
The Specialist and Wraithlike made up and are now friends again.
;P
I got an idea specialist:
Turn it into a TTO map like you said you'd do for me.

Keron Cyst · « **Reply #35 on:** July 04, 2007, 01:09:14 am »

[off-topic]

Quote from: Pie on July 03, 2007, 06:54:59 pm

I forgot it was htf.
Meh i prefer DM anyway.

That's only because the original HTF maps portrayed the gamemode incorrectly. You play it now, with my works htf_Baire and htf_Zajacz. I'm seriously not trying to be arrogant but they really are what HTF maps truly should have resembled. It just totally crushed me to witness no HTF servers whatsoever upon v1.4's release

Pie · « **Reply #36 on:** July 04, 2007, 07:14:11 am »

Quote from: Keron Cyst on July 04, 2007, 01:09:14 am

[off-topic]

Quote from: Pie on July 03, 2007, 06:54:59 pm
I forgot it was htf.
Meh i prefer DM anyway.
That's only because the original HTF maps portrayed the gamemode incorrectly. You play it now, with my works htf_Baire and htf_Zajacz. I'm seriously not trying to be arrogant but they really are what HTF maps truly should have resembled. It just totally crushed me to witness no HTF servers whatsoever upon v1.4's release

It will most likely stay that way aswell.
It's the same with rambo and TDM and even DM. Every server is now CTF.
What i would do for a decent Rambo server that wont lag me or one that is not passworded.
I've never played htf online.

Blacksheepboy · « **Reply #37 on:** July 11, 2007, 04:27:34 am »

Quote

Every server is now CTF.

Ah yea, I noticed that today.

Specialists, this is only your sixth map? Hmm...I guess I've only made about 4 or 5. This map has some potential if you expound on it correctly. I could see several outlaying caves just hanging around the perimeter. Since this is htf, I'm not quite sure on how making this would come about since I haven't studied/made one yet. Eh, looks fine at the moment.

Wait...your latest screenshot, I could not view it. So therefore, I end this here.

The Specialist · « **Reply #38 on:** August 11, 2007, 08:05:42 pm »

zyxstand, you can't completely rely on me to create all of your Territorial Takeover maps. You'll need to create some as well since you're the sub-gamemode's creator and ask some other map makers too.

I'll try to fix the link when I'm back home. I'm using my cousin's computer.

Keron, I'll create a Hold the Flag server just for you if you'd like.

Date Posted: July 12, 2007, 07:38:41 PM

Map is finished and has been released.

Keron Cyst · « **Reply #39 on:** August 12, 2007, 10:16:53 am »

Quote from: The Specialist on August 11, 2007, 08:05:42 pm

Keron, I'll create a Hold the Flag server just for you if you'd like.

Heh, really? Thanks very much, but I myself probably wouldn't ever play on it if you made one; I just want to see HTF get more exposure.

The Specialist · « **Reply #40 on:** August 12, 2007, 02:24:24 pm »

I've actually seen plenty of Hold the Flag servers. But the downside is that they're always empty.

rayza · « **Reply #41 on:** August 14, 2007, 09:53:49 pm »

it looks good
make a DM of it as well

The Specialist · « **Reply #42 on:** August 15, 2007, 06:21:15 pm »

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=18654.0

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FliesLikeABrick · « **Reply #43 on:** August 15, 2007, 06:24:22 pm »

Quote from: The Specialist on August 15, 2007, 06:21:15 pm

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=18654.0

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