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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2007, 07:03:19 am »
I personally think that if someone gets pwned in Soldat - it either becuase:
1.His (her?) skills are shit
2.Skills of the killer are ÜBER1337
3.(S)He rushes like an idiot, so his (her) enemy has only to point, wait, click, another kill

Other that that - it's nothing to be angry about. You got pwned at short range becuse you went out of hiding and ther's suddenly an M79 user? Well, if it would be Spas, you would also get yar ass whooped. You had a medium range weapon, the enemy had a short-range one, so he easily beat you at short range, EOT. Choose Barrett another time and kill him from 666 meters, he won't be able to do anything with that so-much-hated-by-you M79 of his.

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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2007, 08:19:09 am »
Did some "research" on Wikipedia (inside ""'s as stuff there can aswell be bullshit but whatever)
You guys don't need to flame me about that Soldat "isn't supposed to be realistic".

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Having to reload after every shot meant a slow rate of fire and therefore an inability to keep up a constant volume of fire during a firefight. Also, for close-in situation, the minimum arming range and the blast radius meant a grenadier would have to either resort to a backup pistol, if he had one to begin with, or fire and hope that the grenade would not arm itself and act as a giant slow bullet.
Note that the M79'er couldn't be able to keep up during a firefight. In soldat, M79'ers can keep up very well. Also notice the minimum arming range mentioned ;)

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To fire, the grenadier pushes the safety forward, revealing the symbol 'F', and pulls the trigger.
This would mean a (small atleast) startup time for the M79. Well, in realistic mode anyway...

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Effective range    350 m (383 yds)
Maximum range    400 m (437 yds)
Haha :D Compare this with soldat xD

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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2007, 09:41:32 am »
I have seen enough m79 threads, maybe find another weapon to beach about...


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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2007, 11:09:16 am »
I remember this one conversation very clearly from the first few days I played Soldat (which was way back in 1.2.1).

Me: "why are they killing me and my bullets not damaging them?"
headless n00b: "learn to dodge bullets."

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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #64 on: July 06, 2007, 02:21:15 pm »
I remember this one conversation very clearly from the first few days I played Soldat (which was way back in 1.2.1).

Me: "why are they killing me and my bullets not damaging them?"
headless n00b: "learn to dodge bullets."

Words of wisdom.
A-f*cking-men! It is really not that hard to dodge m79 bullets.


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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #65 on: July 06, 2007, 09:26:29 pm »
I remember this one conversation very clearly from the first few days I played Soldat (which was way back in 1.2.1).

Me: "why are they killing me and my bullets not damaging them?"
headless n00b: "learn to dodge bullets."

Words of wisdom.
A-f*cking-men! It is really not that hard to dodge m79 bullets.

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are you on drugs?

Seriously.

I am not bad at soldat.

It is impossible to dodge m79s.
Either add some startup time, or decrease the speed.

Edit: Chromed: Amen. That is what an m79 should be.
« Last Edit: July 06, 2007, 09:28:01 pm by mxyzptlk »

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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2007, 12:07:23 am »
It's even harder when the person firing the M79 is lagging, because even though you think you've dodged it, it hits you anyway.
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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2007, 06:44:57 am »
Edit: Chromed: Amen. That is what an m79 should be.
^^

I also found out yesterday that the M79 in soldat appears to be a sawn-off version of the M79:

That's a real M79. The one in Soldat has a shorter barrel, this is also "realistic" because appearantly some soldiers in Vietnam sawed of some of the barrel for increased mobility, so it would be smaller and kinda lighter. This is also correct with the fact that the Soldat m79 has shorter range than those with "un-sawnoff" barrels.

Damage and reload shouldn't have anything to do with the barrel though.



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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2007, 07:30:38 am »
SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT
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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #69 on: July 07, 2007, 08:15:04 am »
SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT

Except for that one mode... I forget what its called... I think it starts with R...R-R-Realistic... DUR!
But seeing as you can survive grenades, i guess it isn't very relistic....
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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #70 on: July 07, 2007, 09:07:20 am »
SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT

You guys don't need to flame me about that Soldat "isn't supposed to be realistic".

QFT.

It doesn't matter if it isn't supposed to BE realistic. We can still base the weapon on the real life counterpart. I mean, it isn't called an M79 for nothing, now, is it?
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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #71 on: July 07, 2007, 09:51:58 am »
SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT

Except for that one mode... I forget what its called... I think it starts with R...R-R-Realistic... DUR!
But seeing as you can survive grenades, i guess it isn't very relistic....
except uhh durr uhhh re-r-r-ree-r-realistic doesn't alter the weapons at all.
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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #72 on: July 07, 2007, 10:53:51 am »
SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT

Except for that one mode... I forget what its called... I think it starts with R...R-R-Realistic... DUR!
Even in real mode...

You can still fly using jet boots.

You can still jump about 3 times your height.

You can still survive a very long fall that would otherwise be fatal in real life.

You can still run around while carrying a minigun and throw nades at the same time.

You can still run around with the Barrett.

You can throw a knife at someone and kill them instantly.

You can move the same amount of speed and are uninhibited even if you're heavily injured.

Do you get the point now? Realistic mode only changes your viewing field and makes weapons a bit stronger, but it's only a small change to an otherwise fictional game. :-\

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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #73 on: July 07, 2007, 11:49:12 am »
SOLDAT DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT'S REAL LIFE COUNTERPART. REALISM IS IRRELEVANT. YOU NEED NO FURTHER PROOF THEN THE BARRETT

Except for that one mode... I forget what its called... I think it starts with R...R-R-Realistic... DUR!
Even in real mode...


You can still run around with the Barrett.





You can run around in real life with a Barrett. But if you fire it, your going to end up lying on your back.
But yeah, realism isn't what Soldat aims for.
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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #74 on: July 07, 2007, 11:51:48 am »
I remember this one conversation very clearly from the first few days I played Soldat (which was way back in 1.2.1).

Me: "why are they killing me and my bullets not damaging them?"
headless n00b: "learn to dodge bullets."

Words of wisdom.
A-f*cking-men! It is really not that hard to dodge m79 bullets.

...
are you on drugs?

Seriously.

I am not bad at soldat.

It is impossible to dodge m79s.
Either add some startup time, or decrease the speed.

Edit: Chromed: Amen. That is what an m79 should be.
Eh... maybe you just never tried, we are not talking about dodging some suicide runner here. Use your jets and momentum to trick other players to shoot around you, or use the distance between you and them to doge the bullets with your jets, like if you see a m79 bullet coming at you while you are on the ground, backflip, you may get splash damage but you can at least get them down on their life as well by the time they have reloaded.
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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2007, 11:52:17 am »
You can run around in real life with a Barrett. But if you fire it, your going to end up lying on your back.
True, but still not as fast as when the Soldaten skip around to move like 25 m/s. :P

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« Reply #76 on: July 07, 2007, 11:57:03 am »
You can run around in real life with a Barrett. But if you fire it, your going to end up lying on your back.
True, but still not as fast as when the Soldaten skip around to move like 25 m/s. :P
Not to mention doing a freaking back flip with one.
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« Reply #77 on: July 07, 2007, 02:13:28 pm »
I am as big an advocate for arcade-y soldat as anyone, but the problem is there, and making the m79 more realistic can solve it.

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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #78 on: July 07, 2007, 04:26:47 pm »
your stupid. i cant help it if alot of people is a M79 spammer.
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Re: M79 haters please read
« Reply #79 on: July 07, 2007, 05:54:20 pm »
your stupid. i cant help it if alot of people is a M79 spammer.
You're stupid! A lot of people are m79 spammers!
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