opinions on the ruger

[ElGato]

 Kzya beat me that bad when I was using the ruger, I actually got more kills when I used the steyr. If you could use an auto to it's full potential you could, in fact, beat almost anyone no matter what gun they use. Kzya has incredible aim so don't use an auto against him, 1v1 shouldn't be the basis of all opinions on guns. Use a barret, m79 or even a law.

[excruciator]

kzya is a very very extreme living example of a steyr user. He probably wormed through the entire game. also he does headshots for gods sake, I mean for 5 head you need to hit 1 less shot, First the trade off seems to be a bit unfair, second of all other than kzya who can do 5 heads? its insane.

but even if all bullet hit and they are all heads, if 2 aimbot would fight each other, the ruger would still win because ruger is just a better gun!

Kzya has incredible aim so don't use an auto against him

Truth.

Date Posted: October 28, 2007, 03:04:58 pm

Kzya beat me that bad when I was using the ruger, I actually got more kills when I used the steyr. If you could use an auto to it's full potential you could, in fact, beat almost anyone no matter what gun they use. Kzya has incredible aim so don't use an auto against him, 1v1 shouldn't be the basis of all opinions on guns. Use a barret, m79 or even a law.

no but the fact is that someone the stream of bullet confuses the opponent, makes him very nervous and he has less aim.

and I think it kinda increases the change of a bullet that will not reg against the auto user(it still has to be proven)

[Chakra]

A skilled ruger user vs any auto user is a mostly pointless exercise. Ruger will more than likely win, simply because its capable of dealing more damage quicker than an auto can. Unfair? No. M79, barret, any semi or two autos can even or elevate the odds against a ruger 1v1.

In team games this all becomes vastly different. A ruger puts all of it's killing potential in just a few shots, and with it's reload it often becomes a brief disabled power. An auto is guaranteed to deal damage over a slightly longer period of time regardless of range or whereabouts, and for the majority of the time the player is alive with it's less frequent and larger clipped reloads.

Consequently luck, skill and circumstance play a huge roll in ruger's balance.

[ElGato]

but even if all bullet hit and they are all heads, if 2 aimbot would fight each other, the barret would still win because barret is just a better gun! than the ruger.....

wut? :p


The ruger could use a slight nerf maybe, I don't know. All I am saying is it's not the end all weapon, only slightly more useful in able hands given the right situation.

[Chariot]

7th_Account, please don't only take into consideration the opinions of these people who get owned with the ruger on a regular basis. It requires alot of skill to use affectively.

By all means, fuck it over in Normal mode. I don't care. But please don't change it in R. It doesn't need to be. The people who don't like all the damage it deals should go play Normal.

[excruciator]

A skilled ruger user vs any auto user is a mostly pointless exercise. Ruger will more than likely win, simply because its capable of dealing more damage quicker than an auto can. Unfair? No. M79, barret, any semi or two autos can even or elevate the odds against a ruger 1v1.

what you are sayingis very true but:
- m79 's range is not enough to take a rugerer down, you just have to simply play smart and stay away, with some aim and luck you can pull this off easily.

- barrett would be the best choice to beat a ruger. But barrett has twice as much bink and twice as much moviment acc and a delay. So it most likely that the ruger will deal the first piece of dmg, also causing the barrett to bink, and inevitably dealing the last half of the dmg.

But also think about this

advantage of ruger over barrett and barrett vs ruger

ruger
no delay
half as much bink
half as much Moviment Acc

'rrett
1 hit
more range
(more clip, but it fires so slowly that doenst matter match really)
See? for the 1 shot difference, the barrett got so much more restrictions!!! got more bink, moviment acc, and a delay.

In team games this all becomes vastly different. A ruger puts all of it's killing potential in just a few shots, and with it's reload it often becomes a brief disabled power. An auto is guaranteed to deal damage over a slightly longer period of time regardless of range or whereabouts, and for the majority of the time the player is alive with it's less frequent and larger clipped reloads.

Consequently luck, skill and circumstance play a huge roll in ruger's balance.

the reload of ruger is very very short, also even if the rugerer was being hit first, he would still have the time to kill because it takes much longer for a auto to kill a semi.
Also,There arn't many skilled auto users these days, I play #sna all the time and all I see is people using nade+ auto combo to compensate their suckness.
also, think about this, which is harder, to hit 2 bullets, or to hit 9?

Date Posted: October 29, 2007, 12:04:12 pm

7th_Account, please don't only take into consideration the opinions of these people who get owned with the ruger on a regular basis. It requires alot of skill to use affectively.

By all means, feck it over in Normal mode. I don't care. But please don't change it in R. It doesn't need to be. The people who don't like all the damage it deals should go play Normal.

who likes overpowered weapons???

chariot: Meeeee!!!

Date Posted: October 29, 2007, 12:04:59 pm

but even if all bullet hit and they are all heads, if 2 aimbot would fight each other, the barret would still win because barret is just a better gun! than the ruger.....

wut? :p


The ruger could use a slight nerf maybe, I don't know. All I am saying is it's not the end all weapon, only slightly more useful in able hands given the right situation.

hah I serious dont know what I was thinking, dunno I sometime do stuff like that but I usually correct it.

*hands in the air* you caught me..

[The Owls]

They use the nade/auto combo not to make up for the fact that they can't aim.  Trust me, just about everyone in gathers can aim.  The grenade factor, though is what determines who dies when two autos rush each other.  Because if you can kill someone in less then half the time with a well placed grenade, why wouldn't you?

[Twistkill]

Where are these "half" stats coming from? Ruger has 10 bink and Barrett has 100. Ruger has 3 movementacc, while Barrett has 7.

[ElGato]

Twist he was justs saying half to get a point across, there is no reason to try to invalidate his statement then support it... I think we all know the ruger has little/no bink and movement accuracy compared to the barret.

[excruciator]

Where are these "half" stats coming from? Ruger has 10 bink and Barrett has 100. Ruger has 3 movementacc, while Barrett has 7.

I was guessing

Twist he was justs saying half to get a point across, there is no reason to try to invalidate his statement then support it... I think we all know the ruger has little/no bink and movement accuracy compared to the barret.

only guy that got the point of my assumption

*clap* Bravo!, and shame on you TK.. 

[Twistkill]

Shame on me for your little parade of wholly unprecedented ignorance of the weapons and adamant opinion to change a gun based only on your experiences?

Oh, I see. Never mind then, I stand corrected. I am sure your over generalizations are going to change the minds of the weapon balance team.

[excruciator]

Shame on me for your little parade of wholly unprecedented ignorance of the weapons and adamant opinion to change a gun based only on your experiences?

Oh, I see. Never mind then, I stand corrected. I am sure your over generalizations are going to change the minds of the weapon balance team.

thats what weapon balance section is for isnt it?? you countering my opinions with your personal experiences and everyone that agrees with you.

also over generalisation or not, you are the only one that doesnt get my point. also what with the criticizing me and then agreeing   

[Twistkill]

thats what weapon balance section is for isnt it?? you countering my opinions with your personal experiences and everyone that agrees with you.

Somewhat, but not the way you're approaching it.

also over generalisation or not, you are the only one that doesnt get my point. also what with the criticizing me and then agreeing   

What point were you trying to make again? The Ruger is overpowered? Riight... let's get to that.

Also, I laugh at your inability to recognize satire.

[ElGato]

Actually the real stats you listed support his his point even more Twistkill, I think you are missing the point of the post you corrected so there is no need to flame each other. To get aback on topic, what are your opinions on the ruger Twistkill? :p

[excruciator]

thats what weapon balance section is for isnt it?? you countering my opinions with your personal experiences and everyone that agrees with you.

Somewhat, but not the way you're approaching it.

also over generalisation or not, you are the only one that doesnt get my point. also what with the criticizing me and then agreeing

What point were you trying to make again? The Ruger is overpowered? Riight... let's get to that.

Also, I laugh at your inability to recognize satire.

I recognized it all right, but Im ignoring it

even a person like you finally got it... *clap* for being smarter than I thought


EDIT: yeah lets steer back to the topic...

[Twistkill]

Fine, ElGato.

The Ruger's potential seems to spawn from its devastating power. 2 solid body hits and the Soldat is dead. It has a high enough speed that it is relatively easy to fire at a long range target and the movementacc is not high enough that this poses a huge problem. Its reload is also approximately 100 or so, which means it does not have too much trouble when out of ammo. The biggest controversy surrounding this weapon seems to be around the damage to fire rate ratio, of which I can seriously not offer any useful input... although, perhaps, a slightly higher firerate may do the trick, I don't honestly use the Ruger very often.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't flame me, excruciator. I have yet to do so. I only criticized your actions/posts, not attacked you as a person.

[excruciator]

Fine, ElGato.

The Ruger's potential seems to spawn from its devastating power. 2 solid body hits and the Soldat is dead. It has a high enough speed that it is relatively easy to fire at a long range target and the movementacc is not high enough that this poses a huge problem. Its reload is also approximately 100 or so, which means it does not have too much trouble when out of ammo. The biggest controversy surrounding this weapon seems to be around the damage to fire rate ratio, of which I can seriously not offer any useful input... although, perhaps, a slightly higher firerate may do the trick, I don't honestly use the Ruger very often.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't flame me, excruciator. I have yet to do so. I only criticized your actions/posts, not attacked you as a person.

Finally something that we both can agree on. I slight decrease in fire rate should do it.
Also more moviment acc could also do it. I dont want to nerf its maximum potencial, just something that would scare the newbies away and let the pro be pro.

if thats too much you can increase the bullet speed by a little, just to balance things up.

[Twistkill]

Finally something that we both can agree on. I slight decrease in fire rate should do it.
Also more moviment acc could also do it. I dont want to nerf its maximum potencial, just something that would scare the newbies away and let the pro be pro.

if thats too much you can increase the bullet speed by a little, just to balance things up.

Just because it's "finally something that we both agree on" suddenly means you act nice to me? I seriously don't see how that works... I didn't even say that's what should happen, it was only a "maybe" statement, because I honestly don't use Ruger a whole lot. Do you expect everyone to agree with you on everything that you say? It sure seems that way. -_-

[excruciator]

that niceness was once in a life time thing, dont let it pass...
If you really know me I'm nice to everyone
and also it seems that  means little to you  , If I was to flame you I wouldnt use any of those (maybe a guy with the chainsaw, who knows..  )

also Im only trying to make some compromess(spelling) here. Just like eh.. Pierre Trudeau and Mackenzie King.(just the compromess part, I know that I'm nothing compared to those two)

If you dont like it, Fine, I'll work something out, eventhough I doubt that Betatesters will take them into consideration.. Sometime I wonder why Im I here.

[Twistkill]

that niceness was once in a life time thing, dont let it pass...
If you really know me I'm nice to everyone
and also it seems that  means little to you  , If I was to flame you I wouldnt use any of those (maybe a guy with the chainsaw, who knows..  )

I wasn't referring to that sentence, it was this little smartass comment:

"even a person like you finally got it... *clap* for being smarter than I thought"

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